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live from washington, this is bbc news. welcome to viewers on pbs in america. donald trump arrives in new york on the eve of his surrender to face criminal charges. he's spending the night here at trump tower, where he's meeting his lawyers to prepare for his court appearance on tuesday. and new york city prepares for potential protest as trump supporters gather around the courthouse in manhattan. hello. i'm sumi somaskanda. welcome to the show. donald trump is spending the night in new york, where he's set to make history once again — this time as the first president of the united states to be charged with
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a criminal offence. tonight, mr trump is meeting with his advisors, no doubt discussing the charges he is set to face, connected to hush money paid to actor stormy daniels in the lead—up to his campaign for the presidency in 2016. the exact charges he faces will be disclosed in full in court tomorrow. donald trump denies any wrongdoing, calling it a witch—hunt. the former president's journey from florida to new york was followed across the globe. here's the bbc�*s nada tawfik and barbara plett usher on the president's day. from mara largo... to manhattan. _ from mara largo... to manhattan. it - from mara largo... to manhattan. it is - from mara largo... to manhattan. it is a - from mara largo... trr manhattan. it is a familiar journey for donald trump in a dramatic one as the former president prepared to turn himself in to face charges. he started the morning here at his home in florida. around noon he was driven to the palm beach airport with his security detail. supporters cheered him on. then he took off in his
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private plane, bound for new york. �* . ., york. after a three hour flight he landed _ york. after a three hour flight he landed at _ york. after a three hour flight he landed at laguardia - york. after a three hour flight. he landed at laguardia airport. this motorcade made their way into manhattan. finally he arrived at trump tower and waved as he entered the building. outside, crowds, cameras, curious onlookers and a few supporters crowded the sidewalks of new york �*s fifth ave. trump is expected to stay in for the evening at his penthouse, strategising with his legal team and advisers and preparing for his trip to the courthouse on tuesday. he's spending the night here at trump tower. you might be able to see that barricades have been erected around it. we will bring in the life pictures of trump tower. with new york police on high alert in preparation for donald trump's appearance at the manhattan criminal court. those barricades notjust going up those barricades notjust going up around trump tower but around the courthouse where we
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are expecting to see possibly protests around the arraignment. that is expected to take place at 2:15pm in new york. so, the city is really bracing for what may be large projects and police say they have put up the barricades and taken security precautions in preparations for that. so, let's talk about all of this with our new york business correspondence michelle and sara, a former us attorney for the southern district of new york. good to see you both. michelle, i want to start with you in new york because you were reporting in the last aleck that the judge in this case, he has ruled that he will not allow news broadcasts to broadcast the arraignment. this was a question about whether television networks would be allowed into the courtroom, and he has said that will not be the case. tell us about this. so, there had been an application to the judge, basically asking a couple of things — (1) would he unseal the indictment ahead of
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tomorrow? we know the answer. he did not do that. the second was a0 allow cameras in given the historic nature of this thing? it is unprecedented. people have not seen that before. i know that word gets thrown about a lot, but truly, a former president facing criminal charges has not happened before, and that is the argument the media made, but thejudge was the argument the media made, but the judge was unpersuaded, so there will be no cameras allowed into the proceedings to cover it. however, still photographers will be allowed into court briefly to take some pictures and there will be a few photographers allowed outside the courtroom. so, not exactly the video footage some would have hoped for but worth pointing out that donald trump's legal team had asked for the camera not to be inside the courtroom.— the courtroom. michelle, it fits together _ the courtroom. michelle, it fits together with _ the courtroom. michelle, it fits together with some - the courtroom. michelle, it fits together with some of l the courtroom. michelle, it. fits together with some of the precautions we have seen in new york city taking. tell us about the security that is in place. yeah, so, for the last few days even, we have seen police in uniform across the city, the
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island of manhattan, bracing for tomorrow and the kind of traffic chaos, i have to say, that will ensue. new yorkers are familiar with this from other events like the united nations general assembly. that is a time when it typically the streets of new york get gridlocked. i think we will see that tomorrow, and the reason is the former president who is staying it's an a will make his way to lower manhattan where he is going to appear in court, be processed like other criminals in that he is going to have his miranda rights read to him, he will be fingerprinted and we do not think you will have a mug shot taken and the arraignment — that is when the charges will be read out and we will find out exactly the full scope of the district attorney and deplete that donald trump will enter, which we expect will be him pleading not guilty. fik. him pleading not guilty. 0k. michelle. — him pleading not guilty. 0k. michelle, thank— him pleading not guilty. 0k. michelle, thank you - him pleading not guilty. 0k. michelle, thank you very much for that update. we will be coming back to you during the course of the night.
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we wa nt we want to have a look at what is happening tomorrow. first the united states secret service will escort trump to court in the morning where he will surrender to the new york district attorney's office. the former president will then appear before a judge for his arraignment which is expected to start around 2:15 tomorrow afternoon. while it is unlikely that trump will have to take a mugshot, he will have his fingerprints and photo taken before trying a plea. and we've heard tonight we'll hear from the manhattan district attorney alvin bragg after the court appearance. upon his release, trump will then return to his residence in mar—a—lago, florida, where he plans to make a statement later in the evening. earlier, i spoke with former republican congressman from the state of illinois rodney davis about all this. i want to iwant tojump i want tojump right in and ask you about the criticisms of this case saiss what we have heard from many republicans is that alvin bragg, the district attorney from manhattan who brought this case is trying to
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bring down brought this case is trying to bring down the brought this case is trying to bring down the former president. how do we actually know that that is the case and it is not the district attorney following the letter of the law? ., . ., following the letter of the law? ., ., ., ., ., law? you have to look at what is the charge. _ law? you have to look at what is the charge. we _ law? you have to look at what is the charge. we don't - law? you have to look at what is the charge. we don't knowl is the charge. we don't know that. we are looking at this as a suspected electoral law violation. the electoral commission did not proceed with the prosecution when the president was in the white house. the doj said this is not something that would rise to a crime at the federal level to move towards prosecution. now, da bragg, if he is trying to get president trump to actually account for a federal election crime, that is really out of his jurisdiction, crime, that is really out of hisjurisdiction, and, frankly, his jurisdiction, and, frankly, if it hisjurisdiction, and, frankly, if it does not bring the president and, if it does not hurt him, i think it will only make him stronger in the next election. �* , _, . ~ election. but 'ust coming back to this point _ election. butjust coming back to this point - _ election. butjust coming back to this point - couldn't - election. butjust coming back to this point - couldn't it - election. butjust coming back to this point - couldn't it be i to this point — couldn't it be that this district attorney has
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evidence that could make this case? ~ , ., case? well, there is one thing about american _ case? well, there is one thing about american judicial - about american judicial politics and about americanjudicial politics and the american political system. there are a lot of leaks. i am yet to hear that there is a solid case beyond what has been speculated and what is frustrating is most republicans, like me, we don't want donald trump to be the nominee, but there is nobody who plays a victim better than donald trump, and he will play the victim to alvin bragg, who is not doing much about addressing the ever increasing crime problem in new york city. there has been speculation about what this might mean for the former president's bid to become president again. if you were to talk to your voters are used to represent in the state of illinois, how do you think they would look at this case? do you think that this hurts president trump's image in their eyes? i president trump's image in their eyes?— remember, there are many in the united states who feel president trump has been attacked since he got elected.
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in the end, this is a president who survived two impeachments. he survived the russia collusion allegation that we saw were demonstrably false. i think, when he is the victim, he gets stronger, and, frankly, that is where — that is what scares me the most as a republican. i think he is the only republican, the only major candidate, who could lose tojoe biden that we have right now in the field or in the projected field. but, mr davis, just a follow—up. is donald trump yet really depict them? he is under investigation and at least four serious cases — one of which is linked to the january 6 riot at the capitol. is it fair to call him the victim here?- the capitol. is it fair to call him the victim here? no, not at all, but him the victim here? no, not at all. but he _ him the victim here? no, not at all. but he is — him the victim here? no, not at all, but he is going _ him the victim here? no, not at all, but he is going to _ him the victim here? no, not at all, but he is going to play - all, but he is going to play the victim. he is going to talk to his supporters and many in
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america that feel that there should be a duty a form of justice that treats democrats better than the republicans in the united states and he will try to utilise that for his political advantage, for sure. how do you see this playing out tomorrow for the president? we are expecting him to speak. after he had to manhattan he will go to florida and speak. what will we see from the president, especially as he is continuing to campaign to be president again? it is certainly _ president again? it is certainly not - president again? it is certainly not going i president again? it is certainly not going to president again? it is i certainly not going to be president again? it is - certainly not going to be a disciplined message. that is one thing that i know about president trump — he lacks discipline when it comes to any message. he is going to lay out his grievances. he is going to lay out why he feels that he is going to be the victim, and he is going to try and take advantage and put many of my former colleagues under a lot of pressure to step up to the plate and endorse him, or not to. , ., ~' plate and endorse him, or not to. ~ ,,, to. do you think republicans will come — to. do you think republicans will come down _ to. do you think republicans will come down on _ to. do you think republicans will come down on this? - to. do you think republicans will come down on this? thej will come down on this? the entire party, the other
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lawmakers in congress? well, there is not — lawmakers in congress? well, there is not one _ lawmakers in congress? well, there is not one large - lawmakers in congress? well, there is not one large party i there is not one large party structure that can tell any candidate what to do and what not to do. i think what you will see over the next few days, you will start to see whether or not elected republicans across the country will step up and defend the president — not only defend him against what many of us think are trumped up charges, but will they endorse him in his president? and we start to see an increase in officials endorsing his candidacy — if we start to see an increase, we will see that the polling has changed, it was just a couple of days ago. changed, it was 'ust a couple of days ago.— changed, it was 'ust a couple ofdasaio. ., , , of days ago. former republican congressman — of days ago. former republican congressman rodney _ of days ago. former republican congressman rodney davis - of days ago. former republican congressman rodney davis in i congressman rodney davis in illinois, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us on our show. among those political considerations are complex legal questions to answer. the big question is what comes
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next for donald trump. for that, it's useful to look at how us criminal cases usually unfold. after an indictment, defendants will either voluntarily surrender, as donald trump has, or face arrest. this then the defendant is processed, which means they are finger—printed and photographed. after that is the arraignment, which means a court appearance, where the defendant is formally presented with the charges, and enters a plea — guilty or not guilty. thejudge may also set bail then. we're told by donald trump's lawyers he will plead not guilty, and, so, its expected this case will go to trial. at the end of that trial, donald trump will either be found guilty and be sentenced, or found not guilty and be cleared of the charges. let's pick up with sarah krissoff. former district attorney for the southern district in new york. we have been talking about this all night and i want to ask you again — from the fact that we have seen and what we know at this point, how song do you think this case is the manhattan district attorney has brought? i manhattan district attorney has brou:ht? ~ �* . manhattan district attorney has brou:ht? ~' �* , .,
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brought? i think it'll be a tou:h brought? i think it'll be a tough case _ brought? i think it'll be a tough case for _ brought? i think it'll be a tough case for him. - brought? i think it'll be a tough case for him. he i brought? i think it'll be a - tough case for him. he clearly is confident in the case. they have done a lengthy investigation here, and i think they have some important witnesses that they will present during the course of this but, frankly, the trump's camp will be able to bring some sort of legal and factual challenges to this case, and i expect they will fight hard in the coming months.- expect they will fight hard in the coming months. there have been plenty _ the coming months. there have been plenty of _ the coming months. there have been plenty of criticisms - the coming months. there have been plenty of criticisms of - been plenty of criticisms of the district attorney alvin bragg here, particularly from republicans who say he is pursuing a political vendetta of sorts. is there any evidence to prove that? i of sorts. is there any evidence to prove that?— to prove that? i have not seen that at all- _ to prove that? i have not seen that at all. |_ to prove that? i have not seen that at all. i know— to prove that? i have not seen that at all. i know alvin. - to prove that? i have not seen that at all. i know alvin. he i that at all. i know alvin. he is a prosecutors prosecutor. he brings charges without or favour and he has a pledge — he has managed a pledge to do that. i think what is telling here is he declined to bring those charges at an earlier point and now he has decided to
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do so. so, something in the investigation has changed. his understanding of the law has changed, orsomething understanding of the law has changed, or something has really led him to believe that is the interests ofjustice to bring these charges.- is the interests ofjustice to bring these charges. what about the fact that _ bring these charges. what about the fact that people _ bring these charges. what about the fact that people have - the fact that people have mentioned that alvin bragg campaign to bring donald trump tojustice? was that campaign to bring donald trump to justice? was that a mistake at that point? i to justice? was that a mistake at that point?— at that point? i think those statements _ at that point? i think those statements are _ at that point? i think those statements are certainly i at that point? i think those i statements are certainly going to be used against him, particularly by donald trump supporters during the course of this case. i think it is difficult because the da's offices in an elected position, a partisan position, and alvin bragg ran as a democrat and supported democrats for that position, and in new york, frankly, the individual who wins the democratic primary for district attorney is very likely to become the district
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attorney, and, so, that is what happened here. so, mr bragg is certainly going to have to fight back against those allegations during the course of this case, and just present the evidence as it is.- the evidence as it is. one of the evidence as it is. one of the arguments _ the evidence as it is. one of the arguments we _ the evidence as it is. one of the arguments we heard - the evidence as it is. one of. the arguments we heard from the evidence as it is. one of- the arguments we heard from the former manhattan attorney was he had been pursuing this case and was asked to stand down by the southern district of new york, can you tell us more about that as former us attorney for that district, was the decision reached at that point there wasn't enough evidence?— point there wasn't enough evidence? ., . ., evidence? the interaction here between the — evidence? the interaction here between the us _ evidence? the interaction here between the us attorney - evidence? the interaction here between the us attorney i - evidence? the interaction here between the us attorney i was| between the us attorney i was in the district attorney office and the attorney general�*s office was very interesting, it will make this case more difficult for mr alvin brad to prove because in connection with this criminal case he will have to produce all of the evidence that was amassed in
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connection with all of those other investigations. in addition, he is going to present witnesses such as michael, who had been interviewed countless times before, by the federal authorities, state authorities, local authorities and had to deal with the fact the key witness has given all of these prior statements. all of that i think will complicate the case for mr bragg. think will complicate the case for mr bragg-— think will complicate the case for mr bragg. one question to sum u- for mr bragg. one question to sum up from _ for mr bragg. one question to sum up from your— for mr bragg. one question to sum up from your experience | for mr bragg. one question to l sum up from your experience as a former assistant us attorney, how unusual is what we are seeing tomorrow and what we will witness with this arrangement? will witness with this arraniement? . ., ~' arrangement? listen, new york, frankly it's _ arrangement? listen, new york, frankly it's not _ arrangement? listen, new york, frankly it's not to _ arrangement? listen, new york, frankly it's not to bring _ frankly it's not to bring charges against political figures, celebrity figures, we see it a lot, and you know you know we have used the term unprecedented a lot, and certainly we have not seen this type of case against a former
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president before, but the individuals involved here, the district attorney �*s office, the people managing the courtroom,, the courthouse they have seen these cases brought against political figures and they know how to handle that picture, everything proceeds accordingly. picture, everything proceeds accordingly-— accordingly. thank you very much for — accordingly. thank you very much forjoining _ accordingly. thank you very much forjoining us - accordingly. thank you very much forjoining us on - accordingly. thank you very much forjoining us on the i accordingly. thank you very i much forjoining us on the bbc tonight. we will, of course, bring you full live coverage from new york of mr trump's apppearance in court here on bbc news. and in the meantime, if you want to catch up on just what the legal terms like "indictment" and "grand jury" mean, or if you want to read up on the background to mr trump and stormy daniels, then just go to our website, bbc.com/news or download the bbc app. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news.
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the russian government is blaming ukraine and opposition activists for a bomb attack in a cafe in st petersburg on sunday. dozens were injured in that attack, and vladlen tatarsky, a well—known pro—war blogger, was killed. russian authorities have detained this woman, darya trepova, and released a videotaped confession from her, most likely recorded under duress. let's look at what we know from our security correspondent, frank gardner. a warning, this contains some distressing images. an ordinary scene on an ordinary street in st petersburg. a woman enters a cafe carrying a box containing a statuette. it's hard to verify this, but russia says she was delivering a bomb. inside the cafe, there's a meeting of russian pro—war activists. the invited speaker is this man, vladlen tatarsky, a prolific blogger with over half a million followers. and then this. the explosion killed him
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outright and injured over 30 others. russian officials were quick to blame ukraine, which denied it. but the suspect now detained is not ukrainian, she's russian. police are naming her as darya trepova, an anti—war activist. they've released this footage of her being arrested at home. she's then seen being questioned, apparently under duress. russia says she's confessed to carrying the statuette that killed tatarsky in the cafe. he was a big figure amongst russian military bloggers. a former convict, he fought against ukraine in the donbas. he was highly critical of some failures on the battlefield, leading some to suspect inter—russian rivalry. well, this is a really murky incident. despite all the claims and counterclaims, it's not immediately clear exactly who was behind this explosion. but to help guide us through it is olga ivshina from the bbc russian service.
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olga, what is your take on this explosion? russian war supporters and many other experts believe it must be ukrainian intelligence behind this attack. the russia's investigative committee thinks that russian opposition was also involved. we need to remember that last year another prominent vocal supporter of war was targeted in moscow. on the other hand, many russian war commanders were killed in strange circumstances since 201a. as russian investigators piece together what happened yesterday in st petersburg, the propaganda war continues. russia says this was ukraine—linked terrorism. ukraine's presidential advisor says it was russian on russian. "spiders," he tweeted, "are eating each other inajar." frank gardner, bbc news.
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some breaking news, several people have been seriously injured and a fire broke out after a passenger train carrying at least 50 people derailed following a collision with a freight train in the netherlands. that is according to emergency services who was speaking early on tuesday morning in the netherlands. according to these reports a front carriage of the passenger train derailed and a fire broke out in the rear carriage, that is a news agency reporting that. rescue teams were at the scene at a village between the hague and amsterdam, that is what we are hearing again from the news agency and local emergency services. we will track that story and bring you the latest on it as it comes to us. in the uk, the conservative politician nigel lawson, who served as margaret thatcher's chancellor in the 1980s, has died at the age of 91.
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lord lawson, as he later became, was known as a tax reforming chancellor — one of the longest—serving of the 20th century. carolyn quinn looks back at his life. nigel lawson was the architect of the economic policies that underpinned that she was. for six years in office or some of the most far—reaching changes ever made to the british financial affairs. ever made to the british financialaffairs. i ever made to the british financial affairs.- ever made to the british financial affairs. i was asked to be the — financial affairs. i was asked to be the first _ financial affairs. i was asked to be the first city _ financial affairs. i was asked to be the first city editor - financial affairs. i was asked to be the first city editor for| to be the first city editor for the new sunday telegraph. he began his career as a journalist entertain the spectator magazine and making regular appearances as a tv pundit. he became an mp in 1970, earning a reputation as a man of the right, here calling for the end of sanctions against rhodesia as it was then. , ,.,, ., against rhodesia as it was then. , ., ., . then. the purpose of economic sanctions _ then. the purpose of economic sanctions was _ then. the purpose of economic sanctions was to _ then. the purpose of economic sanctions was to achieve - then. the purpose of economic sanctions was to achieve a - sanctions was to achieve a political end, they have failed to do this, and i think it is clear to all of us now, but wasn't clear before that they never will.
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wasn't clear before that they never will-— never will. 1983 became chancellor _ never will. 1983 became chancellor of _ never will. 1983 became chancellor of mrs - never will. 1983 became - chancellor of mrs thatcher's cabinet, presenting a series of taxcutting budgets. the privatisation of state industries saw him fulfil his vision of a people's capitalism. is relaxation of the rules governing the government —— london stock market was aimed at making the city a successful financial centre. but as inflation and interest rates rose the government found itself in trouble. and his opposition to the poll tax a measure which led to huge public disorder, soured relations with margaret thatcher. a public row with the primus to's financial guru sir alan walters over europe was the final straw.— alan walters over europe was the final straw. good evening. the chancellor, _ the final straw. good evening. the chancellor, nigel- the final straw. good evening. the chancellor, nigel lawson, resigned tonight, taking the government westminster and financial markets around the world totally by surprise. his
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resignation _ world totally by surprise. his resignation was seen by many as the beginning of the end of the thatcher era. as lord lawson he lost five stone in weight criticise the idea of man—made minor change and argued to leave the european union. the european _ leave the european union. the european union _ leave the european union. iie: european union as leave the european union. "iie: european union as it leave the european union. i““ie: european union as it is leave the european union. iie: european union as it is now, half of it as a complete economic basket case, the other half is not all that great. his alwa s half is not all that great. his always -- — half is not all that great. his always -- you _ half is not all that great. his always -- you had _ half is not all that great. his always —— you had always been the market should be able to operate with a minimum of interference a philosophy that guided one of the 20th century's longest serving and most reforming chancellors. let's show you some pictures before we go of trump tower, we know the former president donald trump is spending his night, those pictures outside trump tower, some barricades erected as well. we are waiting to see that big arraignment on tuesday, we will be following
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that on bbc news and also on our website. stay with us. hello. we've seen a reasonably settled spell of early april weather over the past few days, largely dry with some sunshine. and that's going to continue at least for another 2a hours for many parts of the uk. so sunny spells around. there is some rain in the forecast through tuesday and it's mainly pushing in across the far northwest all down to this weather front you can see here. but it is meeting this big area of high pressure which sits to the east, and that's really going to be the driving force of the weather, particularly across england, wales and eastern scotland, too. that's where we've got the clearest skies over the next few hours. it's really quite chilly out there. a bit more cloud and drizzly rain pushing into northern ireland and western scotland. so temperatures by tuesday dawn here above freezing. but elsewhere we could see a touch of frost, perhaps as low as minus four in one or two sheltered rural spots
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across england and wales. now through the day on tuesday after that chilly start, any misting is soon clearing away. lots of sunshine for much of england, wales and eastern scotland. a little bit of high cloud around, so turning hazy at times, especially later on. more cloud, though, for northern ireland and western scotland. the breeze picking up and a little patchy light rain through the morning, becoming a bit more persistent during the afternoon. top temperatures for most of us between about 12 to 1a degrees or so. not as cool as it has been close to the east coast because we're losing that onshore breeze. now overnight tuesday, and heading on into wednesday, we've got this cloud and rain just pushing more widely across the uk, but we do keep the clear skies for east anglia in the southeast. so yet again, just a touch of frost as we head through into wednesday morning here. but further northwest under that blanket of cloud and rain, it is going to be reasonably mild. so heading through wednesday then this frontal system edges its way gradually southwards and eastwards too. so it will bring a spell of wet weather for many of us, i think through wednesday, not everywhere, probably east anglia, parts of lincolnshire, down towards southern and southeastern england, staying dry with some sunny spells all day.
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but elsewhere, a lot of cloud. the breeze picking up from a south westerly direction and outbreaks of rain could be quite persistent at times. reasonably mild, still about ten to 1a degrees during the day on wednesday. and then as we head through towards wednesday night into thursday, we could well see a little bit of a ripple on this weather front. so that means that during thursday, more areas, especially in the east, could see some spells of persistent rain. should gradually clear away, though, as we head through good friday and into the easter weekend, showers tending to clear up. so many of us looking dry. could be a little bit of rain though at times in the south. bye— bye.
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this is bbc news. we'll have the headlines and all the main news stories for you at the top of the hour, straight after this programme. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. the international criminal court's arrest warrant for vladimir putin on war crimes charges represents a massive boost for advocates of internationaljustice, or does it? moscow has dismissed the move as political and a significant number of governments and people around the world appear to agree. and, of course, putin will not be removed from office,

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