could suspend its planned incursion into rafah — if there is a deal where hamas releases its remaining hostages. the united nations warns of an attack in sudan's north darfur state , saying the consequences could would be "devastating". and — days afterfive migrants died trying to cross the english channel, the bbc hears from one man who decided against boarding the vessel. hello, i'm helena humphrey, it's good to have you with us. we start in the middle east — where israel's foreign minister has said a planned military incursion into rafah in gaza could be suspended. that's if a deal is made to free the remaining hostages held by hamas. ceasefire negotiations between israel and hamas have been stalled for weeks. but local media are reporting "notable progress" this weekend. us secretary of state antony blinken

is expected to visit saudi arabia in the coming days. meanwhile, hamas has posted a new video, which shows two of the hostages captured during its october attack. keith siegel, and om—ri mir—an, both identify themselves. while the video is not dated, there is a reference to the recent passover holiday. it's the second such video that hamas — considered a terror group by the uk and us governments — has published in the past few days. our correspondent, anna foster, is in tel aviv where families have been gathering — to again call for the release of all the hostages. omri miran�*s father was actually already on the list of confirmed speakers for this event tonight. when he got up on the stage, he talked about the moment, he said he was sitting having coffee with someone and talking about his grandchildren when the man he was talking to held his phone and said, "look, they have released a video of omri." what was also interesting was as the crowd were gathered here tonight, is they showed that video in full, it is not something that normally happens

because of course when you see the people in it, the two men in this case looking very malnourished, obviously speaking under duress, sending messages to their families and urging the israeli government to come to some sort of arrangement, some sort of deal to try and achieve their release. now, of course that deal and those talks have been going on for weeks and weeks. the last time we saw a significant hostage release was at the end of last year. at one point, we were told the talks had very much broken down, the two sides weren't really in communication at all but the egyptian delegation�*s visit this week and the further efforts of the us and us secretary of state antony blinken, we are led to believe that perhaps they are moving slightly closer in terms of trying to achieve a deal, but certainly those powerful messages we heard tonight on the stage from the hostage families, they were talking directly to israel's leaders, directly to the politicians and were saying,

"you need you to do a deal. while we know they are alive, you need to do what they can to ensure their release now". demonstrators have also been calling for the resignation of israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. thousands gathered in tel aviv on saturday to protest against the handling of the war and to demand new elections. in gaza itself, the hamas—run health agency says at least 50 people have been killed in israeli air attacks in the past day. on saturday, residents of two houses in rafah that were hit by israeli fire searched through the rubble.the united nations continues to warn of a lack of food, with half of the population starving. the us military has said a new humanitarian pier being built off the coast of gaza could be up and running by early may. the us has said there will be no american troops on the ground, but the bbc has learned that british troops could be deployed to help

deliver the desperately needed aid. troops could be deployed to help our diplomatic correspondent james landale reports from jerusalem. some aid is getting into gaza by land. trucks carrying food, water and medical supplies. some aid is being dropped by air, but the united nations says it is nowhere near enough to help the people of gaza who, it says, are facing famine. so there are plans for aid to come by sea. the us army is building floating platforms like this off the coast, where aid will be taken off ships and put into trucks. that floating causeway is expected to be anchored on the beach somewhere near here, where israeli forces will secure a distribution area. the us says there will be no american boots on the ground. so the uk is considering whether british forces should drive the trucks along the causeway that may look something like this. but that would mean british forces being put in harm's way on the beaches of gaza, so—called wet boots on the ground, potentially at risk

from hamas fighters. hamas at the end of the day could try and interrupt this. i would like to think they won't but i think probably they won't. but it's possible that they could. unfortunately in these sorts of operations, you end up in places you wouldn't want to have gone to. british forces could be deployed from this uk air base in cyprus, but, as of now, it is just an option. there has been no decision and it is yet to pass the prime minister's desk. the mod refused to comment. sending british troops to the beaches of gaza would be a big decision. they would be at risk in a war zone, they would be operating in the holy land for the first time since the 1940s. but someone has to drive these trucks and they've got to make a decision soon, the us says this new aid corridor is going to be up and running by early next month. james landale, bbc news, injerusalem. here in the us, police in boston shut down a student protest demanding a ceasefire in gaza after university authorities said the demonstrators were using

�*virulent anti—semitic slogans�*. northeastern university said about 100 people, a mix of students and outsiders were detained. one of the student organisations involved in the protest rejected the university's statement. at columbia university in new york — the epicentre of the nationwide protests— one student leader was barred from the site and officials are looking into how the protests there are being handled. our north america correspondent, will vernon, has more. there have also been arrests today at indiana state university. 69 people, we understand, detained there at indiana university, too. and negotiations are ongoing at columbia university in new york over the protest camp there. and that's what really sparked this latest escalation in the protests, really. pro—palestinian demonstrations have been going on for several months now at a number of universities, but the mood has really changed in the last week or so, and that was because of an incident at columbia on the 18th of april,

the nypd were called onto the campus to take down a protest camp there. dozens of people were arrested and that really ignited tensions. and a number of other protest camps were then pitched at various universities across the country. now, the protesters say that they're unhappy with the us government's support for the israeli military campaign. they want a ceasefire in gaza, but also they're demanding that their universities divest, so cut ties with companies with links to israel. but manyjewish students say that they feel intimidated by these demos. there have been a number of reports of verbal assaults or even physical attacks onjewish people by the pro—palestinian demonstrators. the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, as well as many people in congress here, say that these protests are anti—semitic. of course, the

demonstrators deny that. and university administrators say that a lot of this trouble is being caused by radical outside elements that have infiltrated the ranks of the students. and that's certainly what we heard from northeastern earlier today. they told us that whilst around 100 were detained, only about 12 or maybe a bit more than that of them actually had student ids. so many of them were not from the university at all. the united nations warns a possible assault by paramilitary forces in sudan's north darfur state would have "devastating consequences" in a region that is on the brink of famine. the agency says the rapid support forces are reportedly encircling the regional capital al fashir, suggesting a coordinated move to attack the city may be imminent. at least 43 people — including women and children — have already been killed there in the past two weeks. war between the sudanese army and the rsf erupted last year. more than eight million people

forced from their homes due to conflict since april 2023 , in what is the world's largest displacement crisis. on friday, the un's high commissionerfor human rights volker turk expressed grave concern at the recent escalation of violence. civilians are trapped in the city, and therefore in the hands of the our self, transitively. this dire situation is compounded by a severe shortage of supplies, delivery of commercial goods and humanitarian aid has been constrained by the fighting. the commissioner calls for a cease to this situation and into the conflict that has been in country for yourself. and violations of humanitarian law. with me is quscondy abdulshafi, a senior regional adviser

at freedom house. freedom house is a nonprofit dedicated to the expansion of freedom around the world. thanks for being with us. i know you have been closely monitoring the situation on the ground and speaking with people where possible in al fashir. what are they bracing for? thank you for having me, helena, i appreciate — thank you for having me, helena, i appreciate it. the attack on al fashir— appreciate it. the attack on al fashir has_ appreciate it. the attack on al fashir has the far—reaching and devastating consequence, and it would _ devastating consequence, and it would really be a new story of the storyline — would really be a new story of the storyline of the sudan conflict hardship, potential hardships and what has — hardship, potential hardships and what has happened. in the past few days, _ what has happened. in the past few days, there's an ethic targeting and similar_ days, there's an ethic targeting and similar to _ days, there's an ethic targeting and similar to previous incidents, this time _ similar to previous incidents, this time it— similar to previous incidents, this time it is— similar to previous incidents, this time it is minor terry groups —— minority— time it is minor terry groups —— minority groups based mostly around second _ minority groups based mostly around second michael. this attack on al

fashir— second michael. this attack on al fashir would have an aspect of ethnic— fashir would have an aspect of ethnic cleansing. the army in al fashir— ethnic cleansing. the army in al fashir are — ethnic cleansing. the army in al fashir are under ethnic cleansing. the army in al fashirare undera ethnic cleansing. the army in al fashir are under a commander of the former— fashir are under a commander of the former rebel — fashir are under a commander of the former rebel movement, leaders who have agreed a peace agreement in 2018. _ have agreed a peace agreement in 2018. and — have agreed a peace agreement in 2018, and deal was supposed to be absolving _ 2018, and deal was supposed to be absolving in the south. they are from _ absolving in the south. they are from arab — absolving in the south. they are from arab ethnic groups, meaning the conflict _ from arab ethnic groups, meaning the conflict in _ from arab ethnic groups, meaning the conflict in al— from arab ethnic groups, meaning the conflict in al fashir is different from _ conflict in al fashir is different from the — conflict in al fashir is different from the other conflict in other cities — from the other conflict in other cities it— from the other conflict in other cities. it has a key ethnic aspect and is _ cities. it has a key ethnic aspect and is very— cities. it has a key ethnic aspect and is very much dangerous if this attack— and is very much dangerous if this attack happens, it will have far—reaching, devastating and far— reaching, devastating and far— reaching far—reaching, devastating and far—reaching consequences. far-reaching, devastating and far-reaching consequences. anyone listeninr far-reaching consequences. anyone listening to — far-reaching consequences. anyone listening to that _ far-reaching consequences. anyone listening to that would _ far-reaching consequences. anyone listening to that would understand i listening to that would understand how that sounds concerning, the prospect of ethnically motivated violence, but as i understand it, that area is also encircled to anybody wants to flee could find it difficult because it is on the verge of famine. it difficult because it is on the verge of famine. , ' . difficult because it is on the verge of famine. , , . �*, of famine. it is difficult, there's

nowhere for _ of famine. it is difficult, there's nowhere for people _ of famine. it is difficult, there's nowhere for people to - of famine. it is difficult, there's nowhere for people to flee, - of famine. it is difficult, there's nowhere for people to flee, the j of famine. it is difficult, there's - nowhere for people to flee, the city is the _ nowhere for people to flee, the city is the second largest controlled by third michael, there is increasing and checking of the city and people targeted _ and checking of the city and people targeted for their ethnicity are being — targeted for their ethnicity are being targeted seriously. so people currently _ being targeted seriously. so people currently in al fashir, basically thousands— currently in al fashir, basically thousands of people have fled in the past two _ thousands of people have fled in the past two days of attacks on the cities _ past two days of attacks on the cities around al fashir by rsf, they have nowhere to flee and nowhere to lo. have nowhere to flee and nowhere to go it's _ have nowhere to flee and nowhere to go. it's desert in the north, and people — go. it's desert in the north, and people if— go. it's desert in the north, and people if they rushed outside they can die _ people if they rushed outside they can die because of lack of water to drink, _ can die because of lack of water to drink, and — can die because of lack of water to drink, and it— can die because of lack of water to drink, and it is still dry season at this moment, so it is very difficult for the _ this moment, so it is very difficult for the large number of people living _ for the large number of people living there in the city to find a way to — living there in the city to find a way to get— living there in the city to find a way to get out of the city. there are not— way to get out of the city. there are not many options away for people to run— are not many options away for people to run to _ are not many options away for people to run to a— are not many options away for people to runto. . ,, ., are not many options away for people to runto.�* ,, ., , ., ., to run to. a desperate situation, i want to talk _ to run to. a desperate situation, i want to talk about _ to run to. a desperate situation, i want to talk about what _ to run to. a desperate situation, i j want to talk about what is fuelling this, we have two rival generalists,

paramilitary forces and government forces, but at the same time at the united nations has sounded the alarm about weapons coming from foreign countries, flying in the face of un sanctions, how problematic is that? it's a proxy war in the full terms of understanding that, particularly, both of— of understanding that, particularly, both of these actors, when it comes to the _ both of these actors, when it comes to the war— both of these actors, when it comes to the war in — both of these actors, when it comes to the war in darfur, where dynamics are very— to the war in darfur, where dynamics are very clear, rsf is a mean controlling _ are very clear, rsf is a mean controlling the whole region except certain _ controlling the whole region except certain cities, the united arab emirates _ certain cities, the united arab emirates is been supplying the arms and logistics in a very unprecedented manner of supporting a conflict _ unprecedented manner of supporting a conflict in _ unprecedented manner of supporting a conflict in a _ unprecedented manner of supporting a conflict in a country. this makes a lot of— conflict in a country. this makes a lot of attention which also makes it difficult _ lot of attention which also makes it difficult for an effort to control the violence and hostilities, and on the violence and hostilities, and on the other— the violence and hostilities, and on the other side, there's been an expansion— the other side, there's been an

expansion of outreach and news that russia _ expansion of outreach and news that russia is— expansion of outreach and news that russia is getting in the other side of the _ russia is getting in the other side of the aisle, and egypt is the main support— of the aisle, and egypt is the main support of— of the aisle, and egypt is the main support of the south, so it is very difficult _ support of the south, so it is very difficult to — support of the south, so it is very difficult to control and and the hostility — difficult to control and and the hostility incident, particularly suppression of the violence, without having _ suppression of the violence, without having a _ suppression of the violence, without having a strong eye on the external actors _ having a strong eye on the external actors who — having a strong eye on the external actors who are really foiling this conflict — actors who are really foiling this conflict l— actors who are really foiling this conflict. ., ., ., ,, ., conflict. i want to talk about the international _ conflict. i want to talk about the international community - conflict. i want to talk about the international community in - conflict. i want to talk about the international community in this, conflict. i want to talk about the . international community in this, we have about one minute left, but in terms of the donor pledges from paris, some 2 billion, do we know if that money could get in soon? and we know the managers and situation is difficult, the un also closed in for de—escalation. taste difficult, the un also closed in for de-escalation._ de-escalation. we know it was difficult, and _ de-escalation. we know it was difficult, and it _ de-escalation. we know it was difficult, and it was _ de-escalation. we know it was difficult, and it was good - de-escalation. we know it was difficult, and it was good to i de-escalation. we know it was| difficult, and it was good to see the pledge meant, but is also a gloomy— the pledge meant, but is also a gloomy nature of seeing how they can reach _ gloomy nature of seeing how they can reach the _ gloomy nature of seeing how they can reach the people in need to stop

there _ reach the people in need to stop there are — reach the people in need to stop there are tricky policies from the de facto — there are tricky policies from the de facto government but also from the rsf _ de facto government but also from the rsf side, which is like" don't io the rsf side, which is like" don't go therem — the rsf side, which is like" don't go therem " _ the rsf side, which is like" don't gotherem _ the rsf side, which is like" don't go there... they have to put conditions. _ go there... they have to put conditions, people have to be rsf and have — conditions, people have to be rsf and have to obey rsf rules to get access— and have to obey rsf rules to get access to — and have to obey rsf rules to get access to aid, otherwise they will starve _ access to aid, otherwise they will starve to — access to aid, otherwise they will starve to death, and that is a question— starve to death, and that is a question of also the access to aid and all— question of also the access to aid and all of— question of also the access to aid and all of those, it is very difficult _ and all of those, it is very difficult. i would say there are very— difficult. i would say there are very good _ difficult. i would say there are very good i sensed a call al fashir to stop _ very good i sensed a call al fashir to stop the — very good i sensed a call al fashir to stop the war, coming from the state _ to stop the war, coming from the state department and again from the un, trut— state department and again from the un, but it _ state department and again from the un, but it is good for the cause to be directly— un, but it is good for the cause to be directly directed to the commander of rsf, as a person responsible and has a power to stop the attack, — responsible and has a power to stop the attack, and knows if any genocide _ the attack, and knows if any genocide and mass atrocity happens again. _

genocide and mass atrocity happens again. he _ genocide and mass atrocity happens again, he would personally be responsibly because he has the power to stop _ responsibly because he has the power to stop it— responsibly because he has the power to stop it not to happen. i think it is good _ to stop it not to happen. i think it is good this— to stop it not to happen. i think it is good this message is meant, but i feel it _ is good this message is meant, but i feel it is _ is good this message is meant, but i feel it is very— is good this message is meant, but i feel it is very much generalised than _ feel it is very much generalised than being directly done to the to who have — than being directly done to the to who have the power to stop the violence — who have the power to stop the violence. ,, ,.., , who have the power to stop the violence. ,, , a , ., violence. quscondy abdulshafi, senior regional _ violence. quscondy abdulshafi, senior regional adviser - violence. quscondy abdulshafi, senior regional adviser for - violence. quscondy abdulshafi, | senior regional adviser for africa freedom house, thank you for the update. freedom house, thank you for the u date. . ~ freedom house, thank you for the udate. ., ,, ,., freedom house, thank you for the udate. ., ,, y., ., freedom house, thank you for the udate. ., ,, ., ., ,, update. thank you and i appreciate it. to ukraine — where president volodymyr zelensky is calling on western allies to urgently send at least seven more patriot missile systems. it comes after another night of russian bombardment seriously damaged energy infrastructure in ukraine — with four power plants hit. president zelensky said the targets included facilities supplying gas to the european union. fighting continues in the eastern donetsk region. russian troops made gains there earlier this week. ukrainian media reports that another village near avdiivka has been captured — as russia tightens its hold on the region.

earlier this, week five people died after a boat carrying more than 100 migrants ran into trouble in the english channel. a man who had paid to board the overloaded dinghy — but then decided against it— has spoken to the bbc. our correspondentjon donnison reports from calais. chaos, desperation and violence as more than 100 people tried to cram onto a small boat in the early hours of tuesday morning. among them was 16—year—old marcus, not his real name, from south sudan. where are you here? i'll be on this side. on that side? yeah, this side. five people were killed, including a seven—year—old girl. and how did people die? there were too many people. they were crushed maybe. i didn't see them die. ijust wanted to save myself. 30 or a0 guys were trying to force themselves on the boat because they did not pay the money. marcus, who is fleeing life as a child soldier in south sudan, says he paid people smugglers $1,000

to make the crossing and even though he was injured in the last attempt, he,s willing to pay more to try again. you can see today that the sea is calm and the wind has dropped, and that means more attempted crossings. here you've got a boat that's been abandoned, it looks like police have slashed it open. you've also got a tear gas canister, which police have been using, and some abandoned children's clothing. despite the dangers, people like marcus are not going to give up. and what of the government's rwanda policy? the government is saying they will deport people who cross to rwanda. does that worry you? that will not stop me, i will never give up. i will try my best to cross the english channel. and the chance came sooner than we expected. after we left marcus this morning, we heard that he'd headed to the beaches once more for another attempt to reach the uk. jon donnison, bbc news, in calais.

south africa is celebrating a landmark moment in its history: it's 30 years since the first free and fair elections in the country — which for decades was ruled by a white minority. under the violent "apartheid" regime, the state segregated different ethnicities — with black africans having virtually no rights, no vote, no freedom of movement and only limited ownership rights. after decades of struggle, the african national congress secured the freedom of its leader, nelson mandela, and negotiated a peaceful transition away from whites—only rule. that process culminated on april 27th, 1994 — when south africans of every ethnicity queued together for miles to cast their ballot, electing mr mandela south africa's first black president. at the thirtieth anniversay celebrations in pretoria on satuday, south africa's current president, cyril ramaphosa, paid tribute to those who helped fight for the country's freedom. on that day, as we cast our votes for the first time, a great heaviness lifted from our shoulders.

our shackles have been cast off. the shackles that have tied us down for hundreds of years. the weight of centuries of oppression was no longer holding us down. even though our backs bore scars of the cruel lashes of those who had whipped and subjected us for more than 300 years — on that day, as a united people we stood tall, as south africans. in the uk, a conservative member of parliament has quit the party tojoin labour. in an exclusive tv interview with the bbc, dr dan poulter, a former health minister who works part time as a doctor, said he could no longer look his national health service colleagues and patients in the eye

and stay on as a conservative. he'll be standing down as an mp at the general election. a spokesperson for the conservatives said labour had no plan for the nhs, and the announcement would be disappointing for the constituents of central suffolk and north ipswich. dan poulter has been speaking to laura kuenssberg. the prime minister under pressure. the doctor departing the tory tribe. dan poulter has been a doctor and a conservative mp for 1h years, but in that rare move, a political defection, he's quit and isjoining labour too. i found it increasingly difficult to look my nhs colleagues in the eye, my patients in the eye, and my constituents in the eye with good conscience. and i feel that the nhs deserves better than it has at the moment in terms of how its run and governed. since 2010, though, constituents in your suffolk home have chosen you, sent you to westminster as a conservative. some of them might be

angry that you have left the party that they chose. what do you say to them? i thought about it and i thought, "well, what's the best thing or the right thing to do"? and on balance, i thought because there will be an election very, very soon. it makes sense to have a by—election. i thought, on balance, it was better to continue to work diligently for my constituents through until the end of this parliament. a conservative spokesperson said, "what dan says is wrong. sir keir starmer has no plan for our nhs under the conservatives. we are raising nhs funding to a record £165 billion a year, helping it recover from the effects of the pandemic and driving forward its first ever long term workforce plan". but last month, lee anderson walked away from the tories tojoin the reform party. in 2022, christian wakeford quit to join labour. defections create noise and disruption because they are so rare.

so it's a damaging departure for the conservatives when polls suggest voters are deserting, too. just days from council elections for millions, another political accident that rishi sunak can ill afford. laura kuenssberg, bbc news. let's turn to some important news around the world... russianjournalist konstantin gabov has been arrested on charges of "extremism". he's accused of preparing material for a youtube channel once run by the late opposition leader alexei navalny. aides and allies continue to run that channel after navalny died in a russian prison back in february. yulia navalny blames president putin for her husband's death. twenty soldiers in cambodia were killed in an ammunition explosion at a military base in the southern part of the country on saturday. several others were hurt and a number of buildings and vehicles were also destroyed or damaged. it's currently unclear what led to the explosion. a british man has been seriously

injured after he was attacked by a shark in the caribbean. peter smith was attacked off the north coast of tobago. officials on the island say the 64—year—old is stable and will stay on tobago while he recovers. aru na iyengar reports. a perfect caribbean getaway that turned to horror. peter smith was on the beach in front of the starfish hotel in tobago. the retired it worker was on holiday with his wife and friends. he'd been due to fly back to the uk on friday before he took a last swim in the sea. peter smith suffered severe injuries to his left arm, leg and stomach. he's currently recovering in hospital in tobago. they were in about waist deep to shoulder high water so they weren't out of their depth. i think their backs were turned and they were just kind of lounging around and nobody saw the shark coming. and even while the shark was around and doing the attack, the other people in the water were physically trying to fight off the shark.

it's believed mr smith was attacked by a bull shark. they're found in shallow waters along tropical coastlines. authorities say they've a vital role in protecting coral reefs. we will see sharks pop up from time to time. it is part of theirjob, but it is ourjob to ensure we can keep you safe, while at the same time we keep our environment safe. officials closed several beaches and coastal areas between plymouth on the north coast and crown point on the western tip. the foreign office is supporting mr smith and his family. aruna iyengar, bbc news. they're watching bbc news, i am helena humphrey in washington, dc, see you then at the top of the hour. why hello there.

we're seeing some changes to the weather this weekend. part two of the weekend promises to be quite wet across some eastern areas, another chilly but bright day further west that you are, but it marks a changed all weather because as we move into the new week, we'll start to draw up some warmer air from the near continent. many areas will actually turn a lot warmer than what we've had over the past week. this area of low pressure will continue to bring some rain to central, southern and eastern parts of england through the night. so early sunday, this is the position the rain will be in. less cold for england and wales, 5—8 degrees, but another cold night for scotland and northern ireland, a touch of frost. but it's here you'll have the best of the sunshine from the word go for sunday morning. further east, it will be a cloudy, wet picture, with that rain slowly pulling away from eastern england, becoming confined to north—east scotland, the northern isles. elsewhere, plenty of sunshine around, a few scattered showers developing into the afternoon, and a windy day to come, particularly close to the north sea, close near to that area of rain. temperature—wise, the low teens for many, but distinctly chilly again across this north—east corner. that rain continues to clear northwards into the northern isles

during sunday night. it turns a lot drier for many with clear spells. we'll start to see thicker cloud and some showery bursts of rain pushing into western areas, though, by the end of the night, though many areas will stay dry. temperature—wise, well, actually milder for many, particularly scotland and northern ireland, than we've had of late. still a few chilly spots there for north—east scotland. this is the picture for monday, certainly the pressure picture. we've got low pressure out toward the west. this will be bringing south or south—westerly winds across the country. and actually for large parts of england and wales, particularly towards the south and east, it's going to stay dry all day with some good spells of sunshine. but rain will be splashing into western areas and moving across the irish sea as we move through the course today. some of this will be quite heavy. we've got the low teens celsius in the north and the west. could be up to 16 or 17 celsius in the south—east with that sunshine and the warm wind coming off the continent. for the rest of the week, we hold on to lower pressure towards the west of the uk. that will continue to bring our air source from the south—east or the east at times, and there will be weather fronts close by.

so it's an unsettled theme, i think, but it's going to feel warmer throughout this week than what we've had over the past week. it could be up to 20 degrees in the warmest spots across the south—east. but with low pressure nearby, it will tend to remain on the unsettled side. take care.

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which is straight after this programme. hello and welcome. this week, can you teach creativity? we've got the advertising exec who thinks you can and now runs a course in it. and we'll look at how to create tv formats that are successful around the world. we'll talk to the creatives behind two entertainment formats that are entertaining millions. but first, the secrets of the celebrity interviewer, with one of the finest in the business. decca aitkenhead is the chief interviewer of the sunday times and has interviewed hillary clinton, madonna, jk rowling and countless other big names and she's just won broadsheet interviewer of the year at the press awards in the uk. decca, it's great to have you here. i know it's your second press award, so you're getting used to this! actually, fifth! oh, sorry!

i got my facts wrong! well, ok, so you're really getting used to it.