effective source for investigators to link dna from crime scenes to individuals. law enforcement officials in boston say without it the arrest of nilo may not ever have happened. >> and nilo remains behind bars. his bail is set at $500,000. he was arraigned last week. his next court appearance is scheduled for monday. >> jason carroll, thanks so much. appreciate it. the news continues. "cnn primetime" with kaitlan collins starts now. good evening. i'm kaitlan collins, and tonight we have two big developments in the federal investigations into former president donald trump. cnn has now learned that mark meadows, trump's former chief of staff, has testified before a grand jury in the special counsel's investigation. he could be a crucial witness, given he is someone who has seen

and heard more than most as the former gatekeeper to the oval office. also tonight, i've helped break some new reporting about federal prosecutors now using a second grand jury, this one in miami. the other one is in washington, d.c. as part of that classified documents probe into the former president. that grand jury has heard testimony from multiple witnesses in recent weeks, i'm told, and also is going to hear from another witness tomorrow. all of this investigative action had been centered in washington, d.c. so a big question tonight, why now in florida? in a moment you will hear from a former federal prosecutor who says she views this as a really big deal. but first let's get to the very latest on these developments in these latest stories from cnn's paula reid. paula, obviously when it comes to what's happening here with mark meadows, that's significant. we knew he had been subpoenaed. we knew they tried to fight it. but now he has gone and testified. what else have we learned? >> reporter: that's exactly right, kaitlan.

he's not just a witness. he is the witness in both special counsel investigations potentially because when it comes to january 6th he was at the center of everything. the house select committee that investigated the events in and around january 6th came to the conclusion that all roads led to mark meadows. they did not get the opportunity to talk to him in that investigation. we've also learned, though, through our reporting with our colleagues that he is increasingly significant potentially to jack smith and his investigation into the possible mishandling of classified documents down at mar-a-lago. not only would he have been at the white house when things were getting packed up in those final days, but we also learned that the bombshell recording that we reported last week where trump can be heard talking about having a classified document, that recording was made by mark meadows' autobiographers. so investigators clearly have potentially a lot of questions for meadows on both probes but at this point it is not clear if he's testified for both investigations or just one.

but this certainly ends a long-lasting mystery in the trump circle, which is hey, what's going on with mark meadows? we know as you said the former president tried to stop him from testifying, citing executive privilege. he lost that battle. but since then as we expected he would testify the trump team was in the dark as to what exactly was going on. there was no communication between meadows' legal team and the former president's legal team, leading to some concerns about whether he was cooperating. but now that we know he has testified, kaitlan, it is the clearest sign that especially the classified document investigation is likely at the very end. >> yeah. a lot of questions about how quiet he had been in all of this. but also, paula, on this second grand jury that we've learned about and the fact they are convening in miami in addition to what we knew about what was happening in washington and all of these witnesses going before this, how significant could this be for this investigation? >> this is fascinating, right? that they are suddenly after months and months and months of the whole investigation being held here in washington, d.c.,

this is where the special counsel is, this is where dozens and dozens of witnesses have traveled to testify before the grand jury here in d.c., suddenly they're hearing from witnesses down in florida, specifically in miami. we expect another witness, as we were reporting with the team, tomorrow. and the big question is why florida? we don't actually know why florida. but what we do know is that the fact that this has been here in d.c. during the entire investigation, they've been asking questions, gathering evidence here, this has been something the trump team has been focused on, thach made it clear if their client was charged here in d.c. they were going to challenge what is called venue, or the location of these charges. they were going to argue that any alleged criminal conduct didn't really have a sufficient connection to washington, d.c. they would argue that yes, the records belong to the government but that's not enough to try it here. they would much rather see this case, if it's brought, in florida, where they believe the jury pool would be more favorable. so the special counsel knows that they're likely to face a venue fight. it's unclear, though, if that's

why they're now bringing witnesses in florida or if f. they could perhaps be charging one, perhaps two people whose conduct only has a connection to florida and it wouldn't be proper here in d.c. but as you know, we're working the phones and our sources, trying to get more information on this because this is definitely an unexpected development. >> yeah. one that seems to even have caught the trump team off guard. paula reid, thank you. and let's get the take on this from a former federal prosecutor, her perspective on what this could actually mean for the former president. jennifer rodgers is a cnn legal analyst. she joins us now. why would they now convene a grand jury in miami? >> well, there could be a couple things going on. it could be for convenience, there are witnesses down there who need to testify, they can do it there and then read the testimony in d.c. or as paula suggested maybe there's a couple of minor people they want to charge just with obstruction and they would do that in a separate case in miami. or they could be thinking bigger picture. this case could happen either in d.c. or florida but most of the events really did happen in

florida. and so they might be thinking about charging just the obstruction part in florida and the classified document kind of substantive case in d.c. or charging the whole thing down in florida where most of the conduct took place. >> so we could see charges in both of these, you think? >> you could. it's unlikely because that would then split the prosecutorial team, it's not very efficient as far as resources go. but there's no legal reason why they couldn't try the substantive case on the documents in d.c. and the obstruction case in florida. >> and to what paula said about whether or not the trump team would view it as actually potentially helpful to them if it is in florida, is that how you see it as well? >> it's so funny. people think about the jury pool issue as a political issue. where do people like trump, where do people not like trump? prosecutors usually think of it as where are people more or less conservative, more or less pro or anti-law enforcement. and under that rubric usuali your d.c. venue would be less favorable for prosecutors. but i think in this case just because it is the former president, he's so well known, people have such strong opinions about him that they are thinking of it more as we will get a more favorable jury pool in d.c.

but honestly, i don't think that's driving this. i think this is more about where the conduct happened, where the team is based, where the witnesses will come from and see what makes sense from that angle. >> one other aspect that i heard from as we were figuring out more about this grand jury is a source told me that maybe they weren't so surprised because an assistant u.s. attorney from the miami office was actually present the day that that search warrant was executed at mar-a-lago. what do you read into that? >> it's not that uncommon actually for the local office to be involved in some degree, especially if you're executing a search in their district. i wouldn't be surprised for that office to be kind of read into what's happening and involved to some extent. so that actually doesn't surprise me. i don't think that suggests where the case will end up necessarily. >> and the other thing we've learned about mark meadows, we don't know if he testified in this investigation or it was the january 6th investigation. we do know he talked to jack smith, the special counsel's team. how significant do you believe that could be? >> well, he is the number one witness. so he this certainly were going to try to talk to him -- >> what would you be asking him? >> everything.

from the beginning when the election happened and they started making plans for pressure on state legislatures, pressure on election officials, pressure on ultimately mike pence, the fake electors scheme. i mean, the whole thing all the way through january 6th and beyond, you want to ask him everything. so not surprised they talked to him unless they had surprised just to charge him which clearly now they have not. he's their number one witness. if he testified truthfully, which i assume he did, he's going to be front and center in the case they bring. >> or maybe if he pled the fifth we're still trying to figure that out. jennifer rodgers, thank you for bringing down is so many of these developments we've seen happen on an hourly basis basically in these investigations. >> thanks, kaitlan. and of course a big question is not just the legal implications it has for the former president but also whether or not this matters to republican voters. we have jason osborne, who is a former trump campaign adviser here tonight and sarah matthews, a former deputy press secretary in the trump white house. jason, what's your sense? does this matter that there is now a second grand jury, a former chief of staff has testified? we have all these questions about these investigations.

>> so i appreciated what jen had to say because actually i was curious about a couple of different things about why there is two grand juries on this. i look at this as kind of a very -- i wonder, and not being an attorney i wonder if there was a move to circumvent what trump's team was going to do, which was file for a venue change to begin with, just take that off the table because then that's another delaying tactic by the trump team. move it down to florida, which i would think knowing trump at least for a little bit is that he's going to claim this as a win, that to your point about the jury pool and it being tainted, like florida's my people -- a win to have it in florida if it they're not doing it anymore in d.c. but then it's a win until it's not. in trump's mind if all of a sudden charges come out because the grand jury recommends charges then he's going to claim it's a desantis bias. it's like a neverending circle with this. and i mean, i'm hoping at some point that it ends, that we stop talking about documents at mar-a-lago and that that case is tried and the results come out.

right? >> sarah, a lot of these people are your former colleagues that have gone and testified. obviously, mark meadows was the chief of staff when you were inside the white house. you have better insight than most people as to how critical the role he played was. but also so many of your other colleagues we know have gone and testified. how do you think they're feeling about this? >> i mean, honestly, if i were still working for donald trump on his campaign down at mar-a-lago, i'd be kind of shaking in my boots a bit. we know that with donald trump loyalty is a one-way street. he demands loyalty from everyone but gives it to in one in return. and so i think if i'm mark meadows and you're kind of the central figure in both of these probes, whether it's january 6th probe and the plot to overturn the 2020 election or the classified documents case, he knows he has legal liability. and so it will be interesting to see whether or not he tries to strike a deal with investigators for his cooperation or if he pled the fifth.

>> given how well you know trump, how do you think he's viewing the fact that mark meadows played a role in another part of this, which is the audio recording of trump seemingly discussing classified information as these autobiographers were helping mark meadows write his book? >> yeah. i think that was a really interesting tidbit that we learned. they have on record that trump is talking about a classified document. so he knew that he took this document from the white house and that it was classified and that he did not unclassify it. and the fact that it had to do with mark meadows' book, something that we already know irritated him and he was unhappy with and then meadows kind of tried to cozy up back to trump after the publication of it, i think that's just going to ignite more fury from him. >> the question, though, is does this -- how does this factor into the fact that we are in the middle of primary season? you're seeing chris christie and more people get in today. debates are coming up. all of these town halls, conventions, caucuses, primaries. could any of this affect trump, do you think? >> i think at a certain point it

will. but i mean keep in mind also that when was the alvin bragg case here in new york? and we're not even talking about that anymore. we're not talking about the e. jean carroll case anymore. now we're talking about documents. and once documents is done then we're going to be talking about fulton county. i think some of these candidates and hopefully i think chris christie, that's his role in this campaign, is to actually go after donald trump on a lot of these issues and try and knock him back a little bit and that the other candidates come in and talk about their policies and hopefully get some of the oxygen back in the room. >> and jennifer, one more question for you. being under investigation, being charged, it takes a lot to fight that, takes a lot of time. we know trump has to show up when it comes to the new york hush money probe. how does that cut into his campaigning potentially? that's something i've asked his attorneys so see how do they balance all that? >> usually when you see someone charged that's really all they can focus on. if it's a ceo, then they step aside for a time. all of your bandwidth and resources and attention have to go to fighting something like

this. and he's going to potentially be fighting four criminal cases at the same time he's trying to campaign. it's unimaginable. i don't see how he can possibly do it. but if he thinks that's actually the way to save himself ultimately, you know, to get himself elected and then hope that these cases go away after that, i mean, maybe he stays in at least in theory. but i don't know how he does it. >> trump has always kind of tried the cases in the court of public opinion as opposed to in the courts itself. right? so his attorneys, to the extent that he doesn't have to show up to any of these hearings, then he's just going to continue trying this case and saying he's innocent on all these things and go out on the campaign trail. at a certain point i would think -- and again, i'm not an attorney. but at a certain point i would think some judges are going to say enough's enough, you need to be in this courtroom because there's enough questions that need to be asked and answered or you need to hear the case against you and i don't know if the judges have the ability to keep him in court -- >> the judge here in new york does because the judge here in

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ask your health care provider about the ozempic® tri-zone. you may pay as little as $25 for a 3-month prescription. former new jersey governor chris christie launched his primary campaign tonight in manchester, new hampshire. he took clear aim at the man who soundly defeated him, though, in 2016, donald trump. he's had an up and down relationship with him over the years. mostly up and then very suddenly down. breaking with him after january 6th. and now tonight spelling it out. >> beware of the leader in this country who you have handed leadership to who has never made a mistake, who has never done anything wrong, who when something goes wrong it's always someone else's fault, and who has never lost. >> he said that, and then he

suggested that the former president was not worthy of leadership. perspective now from cnn political analyst and "new york times" national political reporter astead herndon. is this chris christie's redemption tour? he was -- he bostoned boosted 2016 after he dropped out of the race. he helped him prepare for the debate against biden. he got near fatal covid at the white house during the supreme court -- when amy coney barrett was getting confirmed. what do you see in his announcement? >> i see this as someone making kind of a clear legacy play. i also see this as someone who sees an open space to be the anti-trump candidate in this race. we should start with the obvious, right? there is a tough path to see for chris christie being a nomination -- getting the republican nomination. he would probably admit that himself. he probably occupies that third tier in this race. if donald trump represents the top tier and ron desantis is the clear alternative, kind of leading the pack in that second tier, chris christie's in that third tier. but that doesn't mean he's kind

of irrelevant. this is someone who has real money backing him, someone who has relationships in new york, new jersey. reports say that he could have big financial backers seeing him. and we also know that he has real political skill. this is someone who was a republican front-runner in the kind of pretrump version of the republican party. and there was real reason for that. he's willing to be blunt. he's willing to say what's kind of in the air and on folks' minds. and he's ready for a political battle. the key moment a lot of folks remember is on that debate stage back last time when he really went after senator marco rubio, who was at the time a real leading republican figure seen as one of the alternatives to donald trump. he might have a similar type of impact in this sort of race where it's not as if he's leading to himself getting the nomination but he's using that political skill and that financial backing to maybe attack donald trump but also maybe some of the other candidates in the race to drag them down. >> yeah. he views being able to debate as one of his big political skills. but do we even know if he can qualify for the debate stage? >> that's the real question. the rnc has laid out that pathway to be able to get onto the debate stage and he's going to need to drive those donors

and he's going to need to kind of get a bump in polling. the current polling has him around 1%. he's going to need to replicate that some some of those polls. and the reason he's having a tough time there is because there's not enough republicans who are anti-trump. it's simple. the republican base is still largely with donald trump and even more so the people who are open to other alternatives are not specifically against the former president. so he has a hard hill to climb in order to drive that support. but i think this is someone who is making a clear play to redeem his name from someone who seesawed between supporting trump and not supporting trump and he's now trying to make a clear case and be a real conservative anti-trump case. it's not someone who's making the case from the left against trump but saying he contradicted himself on conservative principles. >> and he's the only one who in his announcement speech has gone after trump in the way that he did. we just showed a clip of it there. it was an extended version of that basically in his speech. does that help distinguish him? because he is the one person willing to go after trump. >> it does distinguish him and it forces the kind of terms of the debate of the race to shift.

he's someone who's going to make it plain, the kind of anti-trump case, force other candidates who have been tiptoeing around it to have to confront that most spoevgly not just on the debate stage but how he uses his voice to push through topics in the media, how he pushes folks to do things maybe on twitter or social media. this is someone who can influence the race in that sort of way. but he has such a difficult path to really make an impact because he's running against the realities of how donald trump has reformed the republican party. this isn't the republican party who's lamenting kind of what it was in the chris christie era. they've really embraced how donald trump has refocused the frame of the party. and so he's running a kind of version of republicans that doesn't exist anymore. but the reality is there is a fervor for some republicans to look to alternatives to trump. so maybe he's the one who's going to make the argument for that even if someone else, maybe a ron desantis, more politically benefits from that. >> we'll see. i know you'll be covering it all and breaking it all down on your podcast "the run-up." >> yep. >> thanks for joining us.

>> thank you for having me. >> as we've been talking about, governor chris christie is entering a large and only growing republican field that now includes former vice president pence. he filed his paperwork yesterday. he's expected to officially announce tomorrow. and our next guest, vivek ramaswamy, who is also a 2024 republican candidate, joins us now. the field growing this much, do you think that is helpful or is that only going to be helpful to donald trump? >> i think it's net helpful. as a candidate myself i welcome the competition. i think more debate, especially on that debate stage starting in august, is going to be good for the republican party, good for our country, defining what we stand for and why we stand for it. so i embrace the competition. i think it makes us better and i'm ready for it. >> do you see chris christie's campaign as some others see it, which is this kind of kamikaze mission to take out trump? >> look, i don't have an analysis of chris christie's campaign on the politics of it. i'm running against christie, trump, desantis and everybody else in this race looking forward. but i will say that a lot of

christie's criticism toward trump is his vengeance and grievance and backward-looking attitudes. i don't know that more vengeance and grievance toward trump helps us look forward. the reason i'm in this race, kaitlan, is i think conservatives have gotten too much into the habit of running from something. i'm the person in this race who's leading us to something. what it actually means to be an american. and the more we can look forward, the more we can ask ourselves what are we running to, the better off we're going to be in the country. >> well, trump is still the front-runner of this race at this moment. do you believe his grievances help the party look forward? >> i don't. no, i think that we go further when we do it based on first principles and moral authority, not vengeance and grievance. i think reagan set a good example in that respect, reviving a missing national identity that we lacked in the late 1970s. i think we're in the middle of a national identity crisis now. and i'm running to lead us out of it. i'm 37, kaitlan. i'm the first millennial ever to

run for u.s. president as a republican. and i think it might just take someone from my generation to actually reach the next generation with the sense of civic pride and american identity that we've long lacked. you don't get it from the democrats. i think it's going to be up to the republican party to revive that. that's why i'm in this race. >> you've talked about your polling lately, xhng it to where trump stood at this time in the 2016 race. i think one question people have when they see how big this field is getting is not just who's getting in but when you know if the time comes to get out. do you feel like you would be able to identify when that time is, when it's time to leave the race if that happens? >> yeah, look, i think that we have a clear path through the debate stage. the two early -- i think the debate stage is going to be critical. any polling before the debate stage, just like when trump ran in 2016, is irrelevant. i think it's irrelevant this time around as well. i think the dynamic of this race changes dramatically starting in august with that first debate stage and the series of debates through this fall.

iowa and new hampshire exist as early states for a reason. i spent a lot of time there. the voters there keep a very open mind. they're actually able to tell who's real from who's a plastic politician. i think after that i think you're going to see people needing to make decisions about stepping out between new hampshire and super tuesday. and i'm confident that our path takes us all the way to the nomination, just as donald trump did in 2015. i'm the outsider in this race. and kaitlan, one of the things i see on the ground in the gop that people on the outside may not appreciate is that we are destined to become the party that puts the outsider in the white house. a real disdain for professional politicians. let the democrat put up the career politician. i predict the gop is going to be the party that regularly nominates the outsider for the white house. and i'm the outsider in this race. >> we certainly saw that happen last time. you've been running and you talked recently about your position on ukraine and russia. you said that you believe if you become president that you would allow ukraine to make pretty major concessions to russia in order to end that war.

what are those concessions exactly? >> specifically the deal that i would do is that i would freeze the current lines of control. korean war style armistice agreement. i would further commit that nato would never admit ukraine, permanent stop on ukraine ever entering nato. that's big concessions to putin. i will admit that. but in return i would demand something even more that the u.s. gets out of this, which is that we split up the russia-china alliance. i think the china-russia military alliance is the top military threat that the united states faces. the biggest nuclear stockpile in russia compared with the biggest economy and other capabilities in china. those two nations are allied and that's why china's now coming to russia's aid in this war. >> what makes you think that russia would accept that given putin wants to control all of ukraine, not just the parts that they have now? >> well, i think that it's a net win if also we make the commitment that ukraine is not going to join nato. >> but ukraine's already not in

nato. >> well, you know what? angela merkel made some ill-advised -- merkel made some ill-advised comments late last year saying that the minsk accords were really just about ukraine biding time. putin then asked for a commitment that nato would not admit ukraine before he actually went on to invade. similar pattern that played out in georgia in 2008. so i actually do think that putin does not enjoy being xi jinping's little brother and a move from a bilateral international order to i atrilateral one is actually a net win for vladimir putin but it's an even bigger win for us. it's the reverse maneuver of what nixon did with mao in 1972. mao tse tung was not a hero then. putin is not a hero now. but we pulled china away from russia. today putin is the new mao. that's my sweeping foreign policy vision of how we also deter china from going after taiwan. because china's number one bet is that the u.s. will not want to go to war with two nuclear allied superpowers, russia and

china, at once. and xi jinping is probably correct about that. >> would you -- >> but if we pull apart that alliance we deter xi jing ping from going for taiwan. >> speaking of taiwan, would you order a u.s. military response if china did invade taiwan and you're in the oval office? >> well, to be clear, the plan i laid out is aimed at deterring -- >> i know. but if you can't deter them would you order a u.s. military response? >> for as long as the u.s. depends on taiwan for semiconductor and u.s.'s semiconductor self-sufficiency, yes i would because that island nation powers our modern way of life. so i'm an america first conservative. i look after american interests. that's why taiwan matters in a way that ukraine does not. >> vivek ramaswamy, thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> and a quick reminder that on thursday i'm going to sit down with the british prime minister rishi sunak in washington. that interview will air here thursday night right here. of course ukraine will be a big topic for him. i hope you'll join us then. up next tonight, though, what a democratic member of the house

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house speaker kevin mccarthy telling fox news today that he's prepared to move forward with contempt proceedings against fbi director christopher wray. at issue at the center of this is an internal bureau document that the house oversight chair, james comer, wants wray to turn over. it purportedly documents a whistleblower's confidential complaint alleging that then vice president biden was

involved in a criminal scheme with a foreign agent. it doesn't provide proof of the allegation, we should note, of course. interestingly, both the chairman, comber, and the ranking democrat on that committee, jamie raskin, have already seen the document in question after reviewing it just yesterday. and joining me now is congressman dan goldman of new york, who is a member of the house oversight committee. good evening, congressman, and thank you for joining us. of course you've dealt with a lot of the hunter biden allegations back when you were working on the 2019 impeachment. with this happening now do you view this as legitimate oversight? do you understand why republicans want to hold the fbi director in contempt? >> no, i don't at all. and i don't both for procedural reasons and for substantive reasons. first on the procedural side the fbi director has substantially complied by providing the chairman and ranking member access to this document which if disseminated to the rest of the committee might impede on the

confidentiality of sources. but more importantly is that the substance of this document has been debunked over and over and over again. and you don't have to just take my word for it or the 17 witnesses in the first impeachment investigation who said unequivocally that vice president joe biden executed official u.s. policy by encouraging ukraine to fire its prosecutor general because he was not prosecuting corruption including against burisma, but you should take the word of the trump department of justice, which received this information in this document that chairman comber and ranking member raskin looked at, they evaluated it, and they determined that it did not warrant further investigation. so this is just an effort for the house republicans to rehash debunked allegations and launder them through an official

committee of the congress in order to hurt joe biden and help the republican nominee for president. >> yeah, we know that the trump justice department did look into this. is there any chance democrats can convince republicans if this makes it through the panel to vote against this? >> well, it's a very dangerous precedent. you know, we have five republican members of congress in the last congress who defied congressional subpoenas by simply not showing up. donald trump said when he was president that he would defy all subpoenas. and during the impeachment investigation we got no documents from our subpoena to the state department. so if they're now going to say that substantial compliance by the fbi director as part of the accommodations process warrants contempt, they should be careful what they're doing when the tide turns and the shoe's on the other foot. >> separately tonight, i also want to ask you about these developments that we're seeing happen in the trump investigations, notably that mark meadows who is of course

one of the most key witnesses potentially has now testified to the special counsel. we don't know if it was january 6th. we don't know if it was documents. but how do you see the fact that he has now come forward and testified, of course after a subpoena and a legal fight attempt by the former president? >> yeah, this is a critical difference between a criminal investigation and a congressional investigation. mark meadows refused to testify to the january 6th committee. he was held in contempt. but ultimately they did not get his testimony. on the criminal side, though, they litigated it and the grand jury compelled him to testify. and he was the chief of staff of donald trump. he was in the room for almost all of the significant events related to the effort to overturn the 2020 election. so he was also there when the documents were removed originally from the white house. mark meadows is going to have very significant information for the special counsel to evaluate as part of his investigation.

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today former president trump called the surprise partnership between the pga tour and its rival saudi-backed league, quote, great news and said it was a, quote, big, beautiful and glamorous deal. of course he has hosted several of the liv tour's tournaments at his own courses. the chair of the 9/11 families united, who lost her husband in those attacks, saw it differently, calling the decision, quote, despicable. terry estrada also called the pga commissioner jay monahan disgusting. a decision that's happened today and shocked many in the sports world comes after a year of public and legal bitter fighting between the two. and it was a shock to many, including their own players. it's also a reversal from how monahan framed the idea of working with the saudis just a year ago. >> i think you'd have to be living under a rock to not know

that there are significant implications. and as it relates to the families of 9/11, i have two families that are close to me that lost loved ones. and so my heart goes out to them. and i would ask any player that has left or any player that would ever consider leaving, have you ever had to apologize for being a member of the pga tour? >> that was then. one year and one partnership later, this is how monahan is now framing working with saudi arabia. >> i recognize that people are going to call me a hypocrite. and anytime i've said anything i said it with the information i had at that moment and i said it based on someone that's trying to compete for the pga tour and our players. >> i'm joined now by bryson dechambeau, a pro golfer and early recruit to the saudi-backed liv golf league. bryson, thanks so much for

joining us tonight. you were an early recruit. but we heard how critical people like monahan were not that long ago about this, you know, saying that they were concerned about saudi arabia's human rights record. what do you think is behind this shift? >> well, kaitlan, thanks for having me on. i appreciate it. and i think there's a lot more behind closed doors. it's been going on. what i can tell you is that h.e. yassir has always been a staunch supporter of golf globally and wanted to grow the name. that's been his vision from the start. when we first started talking a few years ago. and as it's come to fruition now i think that this is the best thing that could ever happen for the game of golf and i'm extremely proud to be a part of that because of the fact that the fans are going to get what they want, the players are going to experience something a little different and a little new on the pga tour side. but i truly believe in the end the game of golf wins in this scenario. >> what about for those players, though, who stuck with the pga tour, who didn't accept a lot of

money that was coming their way from the liv tour because of comments from people like monahan and the criticism you faced? do you see pat monahan as -- jay monahan, i should note, as a hypocrite in this situation? >> well, look, i really feel bad for the information that was delivered to the players and the pga tour, the ones that stuck with them. you know, we did take a risk. the players that did go over, we took a risk and there was a reason for taking that risk relative to the capital that had to be paid out for that to occur. but i do feel bad for the pga tour players because they were told one thing and something else happened. and on our side we were told one thing and it's come to fruition. look, in the end for me i want the players, the fans and the game of golf to win. and you know, it does stink a little bit from my perspective that the pga tour players are not necessarily winning. i hope that they can find a way to make sure that they are valued in the same way that we

are over at liv. i think that will happen. it's just going to take some time with the players pushing back a little bit and trying to figure out what makes them -- what gives them the best opportunity to be successful on their own end. eventually we all come back together now and play as one group. i think that's the best thing, watching us play week in, week out, the best players against each other. >> when you say bad information, what do you mean? >> well, bad information -- i mean, look, there's a lot of information that can be delivered on both sides now, whether it's right or wrong is always subject to what people believe. and you know, behind closed doors there was a lot going on that anyone could really take in. and a lot of players just weren't willing to take the risk whereas players like myself had some decent information and was willing to take that risk because not only did -- it would change our lives but it would potentially change the landscape of the game of golf which we all believed in, the guys that went to liv, for a long time. phil being in the same position.

we all believed there was a better path to potentially grow the game and give people a new viewpoint and fresh perspective on the game of golf. and i think that's what you're seeing here now is it's finally come to a place where the pga tour realized it, liv realized it, we all realized that we're better together and not apart. >> well, of course you know one thing that's not behind closed doors which we do know is that the liv tour is backed by the saudi public investment fund which of course is run by -- backed itself by the saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman. because of this that is why it has earned so much criticism, including from the families of 9/11 victims. and the group put out a statement today saying, "the pga and monahan," referring to the commissioner, "appear to have become just more paid saudi shills taking billions of dollars to cleanse the saudi reputation." how do you respond to that? >> well, i think we'll never be able to repay the families back for what exactly happened just over 20 years ago and what happened is definitely horrible.

and i think as time has gone on, 20 years has passed and we're in a place now where it's time to start trying to work together to make things better together as a whole. i have deep sympathy -- i don't know exactly what they're feeling. i can't ever know what they feel. but i have a huge amount of respect for their position and what they believe. nor do i ever want anything like that to ever occur again. i think as we move forward from that we've got to look toward a pathway to peace, especially -- and forgiveness. especially if we're trying to mend the world and make it a better place. i think this is what they're trying to accomplish, liv is trying to establish, the p.i.f. is trying to accomplish, a better world for everybody and provide great entertainment for everybody around the world. >> it's not just about 9/11. does it make you uncomfortable at all because it's not just that, they're accused of financing terrorism, they also are accused of killing a "washington post" reporter, jamal khashoggi. how do you feel knowing that that is where the money is

backed by? >> yeah. i mean, look, it's unfortunate what has happened and that's something i cannot necessarily speak on as i'm a golfer. but what i can say is what they're trying to do, what they're trying to work on is to be better allies, because we are allies with them. and look, i'm not going to get into the politics of specialize. what i can say is they're trying to do good for the world and showcase themselves in a light that hasn't been seen in a while. nobody's perfect. but we're all trying to improve in life. >> i think they would say it's not just about politics, it's about human rights and that is where the critics have weighed in so heavily on this. bryson dechambeau, though, we thank you for your time and thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me on. appreciate it. >> coming up, florida officials are now admitting that the administration of the governor, ron desantis, did arrange those flights of migrants to california. it had been a bit of a mystery. california's governor previously suggested kidnapping charges could be on the table. we'll discuss the fight with california's attorney general,

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before we go tonight, to cnn presidential town halls to tell you about. tomorrow night, former vice president, mike pence, is going to take questions at a town hall moderated by dana bash. tomorrow, nine pm eastern, also, this coming monday, at eight pm, anderson is going to moderate a town hall with the newly declared and big trump critic, now republican, chris christie. thank so much for joining us tonight, cnn tonight with alison camerota starts now, hi, alison. hi caitlin, we'll all be