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my son. i picked him up on the way and we drove to the substation together. >> 20 say pick to up , who? >> my son was in custody . >> you picked up james . what was going through your mind at this point going from picking up james to the substation? >> i don't know. i asked my husband, is he alive? he said that i don't know, we are going down there. i did not know what to think. >> powerful moments as we listen to jennifer crumbley her reaction learning parachuting was unfolding at her son's school and his gun was missing from where it was supposed to be. will keep monitoring this important powerful testimony. we will handed over to the lead with jake tapper that starts right now.
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republican presidential candidate nikki haley is here and we have questions. the lead starts right now. brand-new cnn polls raking with the 2024 race, has the republican contest changed since donald trump swept iowa and new hampshire? which fares better in head-to- head matchup against joe biden? the result in second. scary when ahead of the november election about artificial intelligence or a.i. to see how a.i. may have changed the outcome of another country's presidential race. the mother of the oxford, michigan school shooter takes the stand in her underpants and shares what her son told her when she asked why he carried out the massacre. welcome to the lead, i'm jake tapper check with the number of stories glen dale brand-new scene, snapshot of the presidential race as it stands right this minute who wins in matchup between president biden and donald
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trump? what happens when the republican on the ballot is former south carolina governor nikki haley? what are voter concerns in the midst of the primary? political director standing by with the results. governor haley is here herself to react to the new polls and after about president biden's new sanctions in the middle east and how she says she would deal with iran and its proxies after one of the groups killed three u.s. soldiers. we were after that and more. president biden on the campaign trail today courting voters in the battleground state that got them to the white house in 2020. he will meet with autoworkers after winning coveted union endorsement. we will cover this and more pick start with the results of the brand-new poll of registered voters, no register, not likely voters, not yet. david chelyan joins us. trump leads biden but it is barely outside the margin of error. >> just barely, it will be a close race. look at the brand-new numbers from the poll, donald trump had
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49% among registered voters, joe biden had 45%. just outside the margin of error, that is a narrow lead for donald trump. i want you to see how stable the race has been since we last pulled at the end of october beginning of november. it is identical, neither has moved, 39-45 race at that time. look at how governor haley matches up against joe biden in hypothetical general election. no doubt, 52% among registered voters, majority for nikki haley 239% for joe biden, 13 percentage point lead for nikki haley. shift out of this on the campaign trail but she has to get there. denomination race among republicans is trickier. among republican leaning voters, who is your preference to win the presidential nomination in 2024? 70% of republican leaders say donald
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trump. only 19% say nikki haley. >> if it ends up biden/trump rematch, how do voters feel about that? >> not great, both of these men are deeply unpopular. look at the favorable versus unfavorable ratings. 39% favorable, 34% favorable for joe biden. look what is motivating each gentlemen's voters, complete and verse of each other. donald trump is the factor, among biden supporters, 68% are voting for joe biden because they are against donald trump, against his opponent, not for joe biden. it is the reverse for trump voters, 60% of trump supporters are voting for trump to be for him and only 40% are voting for him to be against joe biden pick we asked about their policy views, how do americans see them? 61% of registered voters see
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the biden policies and views as generally mainstream. 37% say that about donald trump. too extreme? 38% say that about joe biden. nearly two-thirds, 63% of registered voters say that donald trump's policies are too extreme. look at joe biden standings overall, his approval rating, a key marker with incumbent presidents, 38% approval. overtime, joe biden operating the better part of the last year in four point land. is not moved much, his numbers in approval are stubbornly low. >> it shows that voters don't like the other guy but they have deep reservations about their own guy. >> we asked open-ended question to partisans on each side about concerns they may have about their preferred candidates. among republican leaning voters, what is your biggest
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concern about trump as a presidential candidate? the number one answer, 19%, no concerns. at 15% said his mouth, what he says. 8%, opposition attacks and goes from them there. for joe biden, much more clear of the concerns, 46% say that joe biden's age is the concern that they have about his candidacy. only 9% have no concerns and you can see the economy, israel and the middle east, mental sharpness below that. >> david chelyan, thank you. let's talk about this, presidential candidate nikki haley, governor haley, this new cnn poll shows head-to-head matchup between donald trump and joe biden, trump beats biden by four points, just outside the margin of error which is 3.8 points. in matchup between biden and you, you clobber biden, you get 52% and by then gets 39%. that
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would be a huge victory for the republican party and bring the senate and house and governor races and state legislative races with it no doubt pick why does this electability argument mean more to republican voters, do you think? >> that is the argument we are trying to make, the reality is 70% of americans do not want to see biden/trump rematch. the fact we would have two 80 -year-old candidates running for president is absurd. that we have country in disarray and the world on fire. we need someone to work eight years to get the country back on track and to heal our country and to get our economy strong and prevent war. that is a focus where we are. if you look at the quinnipiac poll yesterday, trump loses to biden by seven points. if republicans decide they want to nominate donald trump, the same thing that happened in 2018, 2020, and 2022 will happen in 2024. you can't keep doing the same
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thing and think you will get a different result area donald trump will lose the election for us. >> monmouth poll shows you are 26 points behind donald trump in south carolina, were your governor, your home state. that is the next major contest, pretty close that gap in three weeks? it seems republican voters are the ones you have the biggest trouble with right now? >> we will do the same thing with new hampshire, we moved 25 points and to answer the last three weeks before the election . we are at that same point here, we will be anywhere and everywhere all over south carolina. thousands of people showed up at the rally, events were strong and people remembered we were the ones that moved 11% unemployment down to 4%, we passed the toughest illegal immigration law into the country, we passed voter i.d., pension reform, cut taxes and became the beast of the southeast for all the manufacturing we brought in. we will remind them what we did
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as governor and show we can do the same thing as president. >> cnn reporter two donald trump political action committees spent $50 million on legal fees and ended the year with $5.1 million in the bank. what is your reaction to that? >> get ready to spend more campaign dollars on legal fees because those court cases just started. he has two in march and they go on the rest of the year. it is unconscionable to me a candidate would spend $50 million in legal fees. it explains why he is not doing many rallies, he does not have the money to do it. it explains why he does not want to get on the debate states because he does not want to talk about why he is doing it. it explains why he had a temper tantrum the election night in new hampshire because he wants me out of the race and wants to be the presumptive nominee so the cash goes to him and he does not have to spend any more. that is the reality of a real big problem for republicans
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going forward. this is not personal for me, i don't have issues with donald trump, i voted for him twice, i was proud to serve in his administration. this is about the fact that we have country to save and focus on the fact we have an economy still out of control and a lot of wasteful spending by republicans and democrats appear we only have 31% of eighth graders in our country proficient in reading. we have an open border unsafe for everyone. we are lacking law and order in our cities and we have wars around the world and we need to focus on preventing wars instead of getting involved so we have serious work to do. >> your speech after the new hampshire primary, the first party to retire 80-year-old candidate you tweeted this image of biden and trump calling them grumpy old men, are you worried about turning off boulder voters? >> i'm not because they get it . it is not about being disrespectful. it is about the
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fact we need to have people, this is congress too, we need people at the top of their game . these are issues on national security, these are issues on the future of our economy. we can't have it, we have seen trump have confused moments, he did it again yesterday we are saying biden he slowed down a lot the last couple years. this is the fact that we have to think about our families to have two guys in their 80s, they will automatically be in mental decline, that is a fact. let's get this right, older people see it, they know that we need a new generational leader, focus on the issues at hand and stop the chaos and division. stop the investigations happening with biden and trump and start focusing on what to do to help the american people. >> south carolina republican supporting trump held it news conference criticizing you and praising trump. here is a little bit of what they had to say. >> in nikki's case, her
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passengers are the most rich and powerful people in this world. they benefit from open borders >> i read her autobiography, the section about nikki being the governor should have been sold on the fiction shelves. nikki haley is not the right candidate to be president. nikki is always about nikki. >> i don't know if you can see that where you were, state treasurer curtis loftis and state representative bill taylor , it was a big field of middle- aged to older white men criticizing you. what was your response to that? >> it cracks me up. first of all, there is no surprise the governor of south carolina is not supporting me, he is the one i defeated when i ran for governor the first time. there is no surprise all of that political elite from south carolina is saying that. they are right, i did not have friends at the statehouse because they were upset i force
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them to show their votes on the record and stop hiding behind voice vote. i force them to disclose income for taxpayers could see he was paying them. they are upset because i vetoed half $1 billion of their pet projects taxpayers had no business spending money on. i never cared about being friends with the political elite . i care about making sure we serve the people, the same way donald trump surrounded himself by south carolina political elite and congressional political elite. congress does not want me to become president because i want term limits, mental competency tests for anyone over the age of 75. if you don't get a budget on time, you don't get paid. i know i want them to stop investing in the stock market. i don't care what the political class wants and i never asked for their endorsement, i don't need them. what i do care about is focusing on normal, real people in this country and not the political elite. donald trump can have them all he wants to
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do that is light we did not get things done in the four years he was there. it is time we have a fighter that understands what real american families are going through. >> did you think it was inappropriate when the rnc chair ronna mcdaniel suggest you drop out because she did not see a path for you ? >> i absolutely think it was inappropriate . we had two states that have voted, unique 1215 delegates, donald trump has 32, i have 17. we have 48 states and more territories to go before we get there. i'm not going anywhere. i will continue to go all the way through south carolina, go on to super tuesday and keep on going forward. this is about the fact we cannot live in chaos anymore. it is about the fact we have to focus on what it will take to not just get domestic policy on track, what we do to prevent wars and make sure we keep america safe. we cannot do it with the two guys there. americans are telling people that, we need to make sure we are listening and focus on what
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it takes to win a primary so we can get our country back on track. >> your committed sting with the race through super tuesday no matter what happens in south carolina? >> we are moving . in south carolina, we will close that gap . my goal is to be more competitive in south carolina, always to build on momentum. we started with 2.9 and went to 20%. new hampshire got 43%, south carolina we went to get more competitive. we will go to michigan and super tuesday. we have country to save, i'm not going anywhere because i don't want my kids to live like this, i don't want anybody else's kids to live like this. we have been in total destruction for longtime and we know when america is distracted, the world is less safe. all you have to do is look around the world to see that. i will stay in this for the long haul because it is important and we need to get this done. >> ambassador haley, you mentioned war, travels around the world, a number of times
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during this interview. coming up next, i have a lot of questions about how president haley might respond to fears of widening war in the middle east and more. stick around, governor haley interviewers, we will be right back.
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we're back with former u.n. ambassador and governor of south carolina, nikki haley, the only one remaining to challenge president trump for the republican nomination. targeting settlers in the west bank, sanction an individual's leading to siding palestinian homes on fire, assaulting civilians. it has reached unacceptable levels. you visited the west bank as the u.n. ambassador, what you think of the move by president biden? >> now due hamas. it is unbelievable to me that joe biden will sit there and focus on israelis and not focus on what iran is doing, what hamas
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did to the israelis. israel is a democracy, they have a justice system, it is strong, they know what to do. is biden going to say anyone convicted in germany or france or europe is going to be allowed to have sanctions on them as well? what he is not doing is having the backs of israel. he is falling all over himself to avoid conflict with iran. he is trying to appease palestinians but he is not acknowledging what it means to be a friend of israel. it is ludicrous, i don't even know what he is thinking at this point. >> cnn contributed that state department looking at options for initial recognition of palestinian state after the war against hamas in gaza, would a president haley theoretically recognized palestinian statehood knowing how sensitive this issue is in the region right now? >> no, it is not our place to say, it is israel's place to
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say, the palestinians' place to say. when i was at that united nations, we worked a lot on israeli and palestinian relations. israel came to the table with two-state solution, the palestinians said no every single time. it is because they don't want two-state solution. they want to eliminate israel, they don't want israel to exist. we need someone to go with moral clarity. you have to know the difference between right and wrong. you have to know the difference between good and bad. you don't go now to try to appease the palestinians and appease what happened on october 7th because all you're doing is letting iran know that we are scared. you're not letting them know there is a price to pay when you do something to our friends. this is why iran will continue to get more aggressive. we will see more strikes because they are not worried about joe biden
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. frankly, the one thing that keeps me up at night is what happens between now and election day. >> talk about iran because after the iranian backed groups attacked u.s. military base in jordan killing three american soldiers and wounding several others, you said we should go after the islam guard corps, iranian military leaders. president biden says a responsive coming. what do you think should happen, are you calling for the u.s. to strike the irgc inside iran? >> if you look at the scenario, my husband is deployed right now . we expect america to have the backs of our men and women who sacrifice for us. the fact biden did not do anything after the first strike, he did not do anything after the second strike, the fact that it took 165 strikes, three soldiers to die and two navy seals, that is what had to
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happen for him to say that we will come up with something? none of this would've happened if you have not fallen all over himself to get to the iran deal, none of this would have happened if he lifted the sanctions which allowed billions of dollars to flow from china importing oil from iran. nothing what happened if we did not have the debacle in afghanistan. now that we are dealing with the situation, he should immediately put the sentient back on. i cannot understand why he is not doing that, he needs to enforce the sanctions on iran and get us back on track. take out the hubs where the drones and missiles are coming from iraq and syria so they don't harm our military men and women anymore than they already have with these strikes. go after one or two irgc members making the military decisions whether they are in iran or leave the country, take them out. iran does not care if you wipe out their fighters, they will get more fighters. they don't care if you wipe out missiles
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and drones, they will get more what they do care about is you go after their money and leadership. that is what we need to be doing to send a strong message. it is not about being hard on iran but being smart. >> i want to turn to a rather odd subject, preoccupation with conspiracy theories about taylor swift and travis kelce of the kansas city chiefs, maga world seems obsessed with this week. vivek ramaswamy tweeted, quote, i wonder who will win the super bowl next month and i wonder if there is a major presidential endorsement coming from artificial propped up couple this fall? let's see how it ages over the next eight months. the trump attorney alina hobbie says this country needs a lot more women like alina and less like taylor swift. the trump campaign commented on this and indulged this thing. what do you make of it?
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>> i don't, i will not lie. i don't know what the obsession is, taylor swift is allowed to have a boyfriend, taylor swift is a good artist. i have taken my daughter ted taylor swift concerts before. to have a conspiracy theory of all of this is bizarre. nobody knows who she will endorse. i can't believe that has overtaken our national politics ? right now you have 60% of american families living paycheck to paycheck. we have a border out of control, wars happening around the world. the last thing we need to be worried about is who taylor swift is dating and what conspiracy theory has her endorsing president >> nikki haley, thank you so much, have fun on the campaign trail. >> thanks, go to nikki haley.com to join us. president biden at a key battleground state that helped
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deliver him the presidency. his message to crucial voters in a state democrats are worried about, that is next.
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contending with politics. you heard republican presidential contender nikki haley come across and stand between donald trump and republican nomination. if haley is hoping for home state advantage in south carolina, she got bad news from new monmouth university washington post poll, 58% of republican voters backing trump, only 32% want to back the former governor. she said she will make as much ground as she can, not predicting to win, trying to make as much ground as she can peer you can she come close to closing the gap were justified continuing to run after the site carolina primary in three weeks? >> it seems unlikely because the people share speaking to are not persuadable. they have made up their mind, looking at the numbers on trump and aren't cnn polling, they are voting for trump because they love trump. they are not
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available to be persuaded by the things she are saying. she says things that are objectively true, she makes good arguments, she has good strategic sense on how republicans might best win the election in november. the people she is saying it to have already made up their minds. i'm unpersuaded by her to close the gap in her home state or anywhere beyond that. >> president biden in the battleground state of michigan to meet with union workers, a state he narrowly won in 2020 carried by less than three percentage point yesterday trump was meeting with members of the teamster union, he carried michigan in 2016 by 10,000 votes. biden really needs to win michigan and it is not guaranteed that he will. >> it is a very good point , she can is critically important state. it is important the president is there today and one of the states reporting today where you can see that campaign ramping up. a lot of activity in michigan
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in the outside groups doing work to try to rebuild or build relationships with the arab american community. we have reported there is a lot of pain around what is happening in the middle east. i suspect that will be part of what he talks about today and part of what the campaign will have to continue to work on going forward. >> with the biden executive order targeting extreme israeli settlers in the west bank and the idea floated in a few places, a few media outlets , the idea of two-state solution being pushed again. take a listen to what democratic congressman hillary's golden said about the biden visit to michigan. >> we have large arab-american population, large jewish population.
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the lack of peace in the middle east, entering the fourth month of the israel hamas war and is felt in deeply personal way in places like michigan i don't know that there is a single visit or word or phrase the president can say to bring the coalition together. it will only come through negotiated peace agreement. >> if democrats when michigan relies upon peace in the middle east, that is a high bar. >> gathered eight folks were going after donald trump for talking about his ability to negotiate various things peer if you're waiting for joe biden to negotiate middle east peace, it will be a wow. the reality for his campaign, they are making foreign policy, national security policy, economic policy based on narrow constituent interests, people upset with him the most. some
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of these people are never going to be on the same page. even the union endorsement from the uaw was immediately deflated when the head of uaw went on tv, to be clear, most of our members will vote for donald trump, they are not for joe biden. what he is trying to unravel in michigan -- >> let me push back, it is not narrow . as the congresswomen talked about there is a lot of pain felt across the country about what is happening in the middle east, particularly arab and muslim communities, jewish communities. many of those of us watching the pain, feeling the pain. obviously, i agree, he will not get peace in the middle east at the same time, what i think is more important is the outreach to these communities. having these tough conversations which is critically important. the other thing, i was a god
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willing as a christian that we get to a place where perhaps there is some kind of settlement or peace negotiated that the united states can play a constructive role. that is good for him as the leader of the united states of america and it would be good politically. >> thanks to both of you . you likely heard about deepfakes and fake robocalls pretending to be someone else or pictures online that are clearly not real or maybe not so clearly real. political candidate targeted by deepfakes has a warning for the united states of america ahead of our presidential elections, stay with us.
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in the tech lead, damaging deepfakes created by artificial intelligence going viral. take biden robocalls to voters, fake explicit images of taylor swift. two weeks ago, images of donald trump showed red splotches on his right hand. these pictures were real. those
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are red splotches on his hand or whatever it is pure this is what trump said when he was asked about it yesterday. >> reporter: you did not see the photos that trump tower? >> no, what was wrong with them? >> reporter: can you tell us what happened with the hand? >> nothing. maybe it is a i >> trump suggesting the images were made by a.i. distorts reality the problem is people could not believe it because a.i. is running amok. have deepfakes recently interfered with an election. >> reporter: does this sound like you? >> it does . >> reporter: it sounds like it but it isn't. this is the leader of the main opposition party in slovakia and on the eve of this country's elections last year, he was the target of a deepfake. >> my party was advocating strong western pro-european
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course to help itself from the russian aggression. >> reporter: two days before voting with that high-stakes election, this audiotape began circulating online. a purported to be a conversation in which he talks about stealing the election. this did not come out of the blue? >> off of the back of a narrative the elections were to be legitimate, rigged. >> reporter: his party, progressive slovakia, went on to lose the election by a few points area could this have changed the results of the election? >> no way of knowing. we have stats on facebook alone, 100,000 views, it probably had some affect. >> reporter: slovakia is a country of 5.5 million people in ordered by poland and ukraine. experts say that americans should pay close attention to what is happening in eastern europe because it could be a sign of what is to come in the
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united states. >> my warning is to brace yourself for deepfakes. targeting presidential candidates in u.s. >> reporter: ran a government agency in slovakia that counter disinformation. >> mike professional capacity, the deepfake will spark wider influence by russia to interfere with slovakia elections. >> reporter: the same day the deepfake emerge, russian foreign intelligence agency published a press release that pushed similar conspiracy theory the u.s. government was working to rig slovakia elections. nato said the deepfake and russian statement simultaneously correspond to each other and promote the same false narrative. you don't think the statements and the deepfake, the fact that they came out almost at the same time can you not think it is a coincidence? >> no, not at all . much more likely explanation is that this is part of a wider operation
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that was aimed to disrupt the outcome of the elections. >> reporter: one of the earliest posts from the deepfake came from pro-russian politician in slovakia that pushed conspiracy theories on russian tv. some of the first people to share on social media here are russia friendly politicians. >> they are russia friendly politicians. it cannot be definitively proven it has russian origin but of course, the loss for progressive slovakia and win for the other side does serve russian interests, that is for sure. >> reporter: kremlin officials did not reply to requests for comment. even today, months after the elections in slovakia, there are still versions of the deepfake circulating on social media including facebook. >> facebook reaction was inconsistent . in some cases they put a label that this is
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most likely disinformation,, some cases they remove the recording. many left it untouched. put your house in order. >> reporter: asked about a.i., facebook says we label it and downright the feed so fewer people see it you see in a sound multiple instances where the company did not label the deepfake in the statement did not explain why. it regardless, once the deepfake spreads, the damage is done. even his supporters work confused. >> people educated, understand politics and what is at stake. >> reporter: people publicly engaged, supporters of you. >> this might be the year that we see deepfake boom in elections around the world. >> reporter: we understand u.s.
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officials are grappling how to guard against deepfakes. one senior official told us about contingency planning using a to interfere with the u.s. presidential election. the challenges that a.i. technology enables anyone to cheaply create these deepfakes so people at home, political operatives, political pranksters could pull off attacks like this just as easily as russia, china, other nationstate. >> paper clip this piece, thank you, donie o'sullivan. teenager arrested for targeting high schools, mosques with threats known as swatting incidents. how police were able to track him down.
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two leading candidates for senate. two very different visions for california.
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steve garvey, the leading republican, is too conservative for california. he voted for trump twice and supported republicans for years, including far right conservatives. adam schiff, the leading democrat, defended democracy against trump and the insurrectionists. he helped build affordable housing, lower drug costs, and bring good jobs back home. the choice is clear. i'm adam schiff, and i approve this message. in our law and justice lead, seven people have been arrested accused of attacking new york city police officers outside a migrant shelter. it was all caught on video saturday night. officers trying to break up a disorderly group outside the
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shelter near times square. when the officers tried to take someone into custody, multiple people beat the officers and fled the scene. cnn's john miller is here with more. what do we know? >> reporter: assault on a police officer is a bail-eligible crime, even after the changes to new york's bail laws. the district attorney's office didn't ask for bail and the judge didn't ask to remand them. they were released after being tracked down by police. what i learned today from nypd sources is that some of those in custody and some of those that they've identified and are still seeking, though they've only been here for about a year, already have extensive arrest records for robbery, strangulation and other crimes. the idea that bail wasn't brought up or considered is
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something bothering police in this case as they continue to hunt for some of the suspects and track the ones in custody and released again. >> john, we're following another story, the so-called serial swatter, just 17 years old. he's been arrested after police say he made threats across the country. what's he being accused of? >> reporter: he's being accused of being behind scores of swatting incidents. he's from lancaster, california, in l.a. county. he's a young man who was extradited to florida where a lot of these swatting calls occurred. he called in churches, mosques, schools. this is part of this phenomenon we've seen over the last couple years where incredibly detailed calls, where gunshots play in the background and people are screaming, that are meant to bring heavily armed teams of
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police responding quickly. jake, i think what happened today was remarkable. you had the u.s. attorney in the central district of florida talk about this arrest which is being charged with local police because of the suspect's age. 27 other people who were charged with making these threats to politicians, to judges, to friends, to strangers, to houses of worship and other public places. this is something where the government is trying to show on the internet it's the other way around. you can hide, but you can't run. eventually they'll take with a they found and trace it back to a name, no matter what you do to conceal that. >> john, this has become an issue across the country. do we know how federal and local officials trying to work together to reduce these incidents? >> reporter: they're working closely. if you look at this florida instance today, the pinellas park police, the sarasota pd, the florida department of law enforcement, the fbi, the u.s.
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marshals, the u.s. attorney. each have different resources and responsibilities. the state charges may be stronger than the federal charges. they have multiple incidents in multiple jurisdictions that tie to a small number of people who are doing large numbers of them as individuals. it was good team work that sets an example for those out there who think the anonymity they've set up is going to protect them forever. >> john miller, thanks. appreciate it. coming up next, the mother of the oxford michigan school shooter takes the stand in her own defense. hear why she and her husband went on the run after their son was arrested.
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welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper.
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president biden in a must-win battleground state. it's michigan. he's speaking to the united auto workers just one day after donald trump met with the teamsters union. can biden hold michigan in november? we'll gauge his ground game. plus, an apology from secretary of defense lloyd austin. here why he wanted to keep his diagnosis private and hid it from the white house and his boss, president biden. leading this hour, stunning testimony from jennifer crumbley, the mother of the oxford school shooter. it's one of the first cases of its kind, a parent being prosecuted in the murderous actions of her child. she said she did not believe the affair she was having with a firefighter interfered in how she was parenting. cnn's jean casarez is following
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the trial. jennifer crumbley saying her son never asked for help with his mental health issues? >> reporter: here are the facts. the jury saw journey entries says i need help. why won't someone help me? here's how she responded. >> did you believe your son needed mental health treatment, therapy, counseling, anything? >> no. i mean, there's a couple times where ethan expressed anxiety over taking tests, anxiety about what he was going to do after high school, whether it was college, military. so he expressed tohose concerns to me, but not to a level where i felt he needed to see a psychiatrist or mental health professional right away, no. >> reporter: this is