host: this would force tiktok to either divest of their chinese ownership or face a ban on the u.s. we will talk about that more later in the program with a tech reporter. just an update on the election, here is the ap with this headline -- we will talk about that and other things during open forum but let's get back to the robert hur hearing from yesterday. this is a portion of him outlining the evidence in the case and why he decided to not bring charges biden. [video clip] >> my team and i conducted a

thorough, independent investigation. the identified evidence that the president willfully retained classified materials after the end of his vice presidency and he was a private citizen. this evidence included inion during which mr. biden told his" found all the classified stuff downstairs." when mr. biden said this he was a private citizen speaking to his ghostwriter in his private rental home in virginia. we also identified other recorded conversations during which mr. biden red classified information allowed to his ghostwriter. we did not however, identify evidence that rose to the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. because the evidence fell short of that standard, i declined to recommend criminal charges against mr. biden. the department's regulations required me to write a confidential report explaining my decision to the attorney general. i understood my explanation

about this case had to include rigorous detailed and thorough analysis. in other words, i needed to show my work just as i would expect any prosecutor to show his or her workthe need to show my work was especially strong here. the attorney general had appointed me to investigate the actions of the attorney general's boss, the sitting president of the united states. i knew that for my decision to be credible, i could not simply announce that i recommended no criminal charges and leave it at that. i needed to explain why. my report reflects my best effort to explain why i declined to recommend charging president biden. i analyze the evidence as prosecutors routinely do by assessing its strengths and weaknesses including my anticipating the ways in which the president's defense lawyers might poke holes in the government' trial and seek to persuade jurors that the government could not prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

host: that was former special prosecutor robert hur. we are taking your calls this morning on that topic. if you have watch the case, we have it on our website. the transcript of the report and the transcript of the interview biden are on our website so you can take a look at those as well. the hearing itself lasted over four hours and we have a couple of items before we get to calls, the representative --

we are going back to our topic this morning of the robert hur testimony yesterday in front of the house committee, judiciary committee.

let's look at democrat adam schiff taking him to task yesterday about including characterizations of president biden's memory and mental acuity. [video clip] >> i could have written my report theoretically in a way that omitted references to the presence memory but that would have been an incomplete and improper report. >> that was not my question. you could have written your report with comments about his specific recollection as to documents or a set of documents but you chose a general pejorative reference to president. you understood when you made that decision, didn't you, that you would ignite a political firestorm with that language didn't you? >> politics played no part whatsoever in my investigative steps. >> you understood nevertheless -- you cannot tell me you are so naïve as to think your words would not have created a political firestorm. that, didn't you when you wrote those words and you decided to include those words and go beyond specific

references to documents, you understood they would be manipulated by my colleagues here on the gop side of the aisle and by president trump you understood that, did you not? >> what i understood as the regulations that govern my conduct as special counsel. i wrote a confidential report for the attorney general. >> confidential. you knew it would not be confidential. didn't you? >> the regulations required me to write a confidential report explaining my decision to the attorney general. >> but you knew it would be released. >> that was up to the attorney general. >> you knew it would be released, did you not? you understood it >> would be released? i understood from the attorney general's public comments that he would make as much of my report public as he could consistent with legal requirements of doj. >> you understand dod policy that you are to take care not to prejudice the interest of the subject of an investigation, right? >> that is generally one of the

interests doj policy requires prosecutors respect. >> and it was your obligation to follow that policy in this report, was it not? >> it was also my obligation to write a confidential report for the attorney general explaining completely -- >> but what you did right was deeply presidential to the president. you say wasn't political but you must've understood, you must've understood the impact of your words. you must've understood the impact of your decision to go beyond the specifics of a particular document and go into general, your own personal prejudicial subjective opinion of theresident when you know it would be amplified by his political opponents and it would influence a political campaign. you had to understand that. and you did it anyway. you did it anyway. host: we are taking your calls this morning on that case. we will start with eddie calling us from cartersville, georgia, democrat, good morning. caller: good morning.

when donald trump withheld documents like that, if they are going to throw it all on donald trump -- we need to be fair with biden, too. even mike pence that documents classified documents. they all turned them in. people are going after joe biden and are not holding donald trump accountable for those documents. they showed him on video that he was trying to tell the whole world that he's unfit. we do not need donald trump back in office because it will be tragedy.

they are talking about dog days, when they go after donald trump his dog days, if he gets back in this office, i'm praying to god that all is democrats get out and vote. keep him from getting back in this office because i'm telling you, this $500,000 -- $500 million he owes -- he's probably not going to pay for it. we will probably pay for it. you are trying to put this man back in office. host: we got it. dana in indianapolis, indiana, democrat this morning -- good morning. caller: i was just wanting to say to eddie that what he has to understand is the difference

with what donald trump did with the documents and what mike pence and biden had done with the documents. host: you have to talk into the phone, don't listen to your tv. caller: yes, i want to say that donald trump, the way he had negotiated with the intelligence for 18 months about his documents and he said they were his personal documents and they are not. did the young men working for him for 20 years, that gentle man said the other day, worker number five said the other day e and the other two gentlemen who are co-conspirators had moved documents that date when the fbi

issued a search warrant. they had specifically had instructions to move the documents to new jersey, to put them on a plane and get them ready to be transported to new jersey. what people don't understan't. in donald trump's attempt -- he has not worked with anyone about those documents. he was lying about them and his intent. and what they say about the australian billionaire, we would be in trouble. donald trump did not take all those documents for nothing. host:ight, let's talk to darren next, a republican in orange, california, good morning. caller: good morning, the first caller, i don't think he had a full understanding of what's going on with these documents because mike pence and trump and

biden all have the same documents doesn't mean everything is the same. there is a difference. one guy did not want to give the document back. he moved the documents around. in addition, he lied to the fbi about what was going on with the documents. from what i understand, did they ever get all of them back? i like to talk about one other topic that has something that's a little something to do with a narrative that's always on c-span and i will get off the line. they are talking about that there were no weapons but there were 10 individuals in the january 6 riot that were actually charged with weapons violations, mainly john benellos on weapons charges. everybody have a great morning. host: this is a text we gotlet's hear from former special

counsel robert hur defending his reasons to include president binds mental acuity and report. [video clip] >> there has been a lot of attention paid about the presence memory. let me say a few words about that. my task was to determine whether the president retained or disclosed national defense information willfully. that means knowingly and with the intent to do something law forbids. i could not make that determination without assessing the president's state of mind. for that reason, i had to consider the presence memory and overall mental state and how a jury likely would perceive his memory and mental state in a criminal trial. these are the types of issues the prosecutors analyze every day. because these issues were important to my ultimate decision, i had to include a discussion of them in my report to the attorney general. the evidence and e president himself but his memory squarely at issue. we interviewed the president and

asked him about his recorded statement " i just found all the classified stuff downstairs" he told us he didn't remember saying that to his ghostwriter. he also said he didn't finding any classified material in his home after his vice presidency. and he didn't remember anything about how classified documents about afghanistan made their way into his garage. my assessment in the report about the relevance of the presence memory was necessary and accurate and fair. most importantly, what i wrote is what i believe the evidence shows and why i and believe. i did not sanitize my explanation nor did i disparage the president unfairly. d to the attorney general my decision and the reason for it. that's what i was required to do. host: back to your calls with dan in ohio, republican. caller: good morning.

good morning. host: go ahead, you are on. caller: the trial is a waste of time. only thing that we need to know is who took the documents out of the skiff. if that is illegal then biden would have been in jail. thank you. host: in dayton, ohio, republican, good morning. caller: good morning with a balmy 70 degrees in dayton ohio. joe biden willfully retained documents per his own words. people also -- he also gave military classified secrets to his ghostwriter. joe biden told his ghostwriter go into the basement, get the classified documents, they are classified, go ahead and take them and joe biden made a million dos f then the ghostwriter

said i have classified documents. what did he do? he shredded the evidence all in thehur report, those are all facts. joe biden willfully took classified documents over 40 years when he was senator. joe biden should be held for treason for having top-secrebut none of your callers, your first caller was terrible and from the gentleman from cheney and cassidy hutchinson contrived their story for cassidy hutchinson saying that donald trump was commandeering the beast and that was all a lie. that came out yesterday. host: all right, let's talk to al in georgia, republican. caller: all right. listen, i don't understand

what's going on in this country. it looks like there are two sets of laws. joe is going to get off and i wonder if he was playing stupi and it backfired on him. we've got to calm this country down. it's out of control. i wish we could meet together and have somebody who would be right in the middle that would settle all these arguments. we are going to destroy our own country. host: all right, this stephen is calling from fort lauderdale, florida, democrat. caller: good morning, c-span. i wanted to throw this out to the world -- donald trump has had these classified documents in his possession for quite a while. he probably knew he would have tremendous legal fees and fines

and you cannot tell me that man is not tried to openly sell all these classified documents to leaders all over the world including russia, including china and his new best friend. i am not a brilliant guy but i can't imagine that the cia and the fbi are not onto this andwe are going to see donald trump in prison for treason and that's the best thing that could happen to this country. thank you. host: larry is an independent in florida, good morning. caller: good morning. th far has shown the whole country how the democrats and republicans are so divided and how the democrats seem to want to tell mr. hur what happened instead of listening to his side the story and his decisions. if in fact mr. biden is a dithering old man that can't be

trusted to not soil himself, how in the world is he still president? host: all right. ed in ocean city, new jersey independent. caller: ed o'donnell, i'm from delaware and i've known joe for 52 years and spent hundreds of hours with him. he is in much worse physical and mental shall that shape and you are seeing and donald trump is in horrible physical and mental shape. my father was a doctor and went to yale. the third party candidates for president are not up to the job. i am a third-party candidate for president. ed o'connell, president for the united states and you're the best journalist on national television. host: you really think so? caller: i do. if i become president, you get the first interview. host: new york, democrat, good morning. caller: good morning. host: it's mimi. caller: good morning.

i've been on a few times over the past years. i just had an observation. when roberthur was speaking something that happens to a lot of people, he made statement about the presence mental capacity but is not a psychologist. he doesn't have a i very well respect what he does but to make thatg joe or even trump when anybody does that, it's not valid. that's all i have to say. i appreciate the show. you have some pretty intelligent people speaking on both sides. thank you again. host: let's take a look at republican matt gaetz of florida. he was talking with special counsel, former special counsel hur inconsistencies and

present biden testimony. [video clip] >> february 8, the white house question, mr. president, why did you share classified information with your ghostwriter? the president said i did not share classified information. i guarantee i did not. that't hur that is inconsistent with the findings based on the evidence in my report? >> its allies with is what regular people would say. so the next one, in all the stuff that was in my home was in filing cabinets that were either that wasn't true either, was it? hur that was inconsistent with the findings of our investigation. >> another lie that people might say but you putting report that among the places classified documents were was a damaged open box. what i'm understanding, you find in your report that the elements of a criminal violation are met but then you apply this senile cooperator theory, that because

joe biden cooperate in the elevator didn't go to the top floor, he doesn't get a conviction. think you get to the right answer. i don't think biden or trump should have been charged but under this senile cooperator theory, isn't it frustrating to biden continues to go out and lie about the basic facts of the report layout of >> federal criminal violation? >>o disagree with at least one thing you said which is that i found all of the elements were met. one of the elements of the relevance is handling the intent element what my report reflects my judgment that based on the evidence, i would not be able to prove beyond r a jury that that that intent element existed. >> the reason you have that doubt is the senile cooperator theory, the fact that joe biden responding that you cannot prove the intent. i don't quibble with that conclusion but it's frustrating to say this guy is not getting treated the trump because the elevator is not going to the top floor so we can prove intent while at the same time biden goes to the white house and says he justlatantly

lied. what i'm trying to figure out is his joe biden line because he so senile or it's a little craftier intentional than we might otherwise think. host: we are taking your calls for the next 25 -- 35 minutes on this topic of the hearing from yesterday and james is independentllo. caller: we just got through hearing the main reason this country is in such a shape today. all this about yesterday was a chauffeur donald trump. it was nine or 10 of them in their there called maga republicans and they are so scared of donald trump, they are working for donald trump. we need congress to start working for the people. i want t congratulate ken buck for getting on tv and admitting

that he's leaving congress because they are just a do-nothing congress and ken buck wants to do something for the country. he will after he leaves washington. i live on a beach and we are flooded by people from ohio and we would appreciate all of them democrat or republican. i talked to both of them and they wish jim jordan was voted out of office because they are tired of this and all his crao p.he is more of a problem for ohio than he is for the united states. i know that's got to be bad because he is a thorn in this country. jim coomer, matt gaetz, marjorie taylor green in jim jordan, if

they would just leave washington today, monday this country would be on the right track to get straightened out. all they are doing and whatever they do is for donald trump. donald trump will ruin this country if he gets back in. any time you do something the second time, he will do it 100% better than the first so he knows all the tricks now. he's going to turn this country into the country we've never seen in our life. i'm 63 years old and i've been watching this. i started watching this stuff. i've been watching donald trump for about eight years. that man is a number one heel. there are people like me or independents and swing v even if he doesn't like biden, i know you love this country and you love the freedom we've got.

vote for biden, thank you. host: sherry is next in dallas texas, democrat. caller: good morning. how are you doing? host: i'm doingthings in dallas? caller: they could be better. i was calling because i wanted to say that when it comes to the documents, donald trump did not want to return them. that's the difference in him and joe. i want to say that i don't know why everybody is listening to donald's lies. he lied about covid, he lied about the election, he lied about the documents, he lied about [indiscernible] all he does is light and the republicans keep backing him. we really need to stop donald trump from being in office ever again. thank you. host: let's hear from the top

democrat on the oversight committee, jamie raskin. he is from maryland and was highlighting the portion of the special counsel report that detailed the differences between biden's mishandling of classified documents and former president trump. [video clip] >> special counsel hur repeatedly emphasizes that president biden's conduct co sharply with that of former president trump. hur observes that unlike president biden, " the allegations set forth in the indictment of mr. trump, if proven, would clearly establish not only mr. trump's willfulness but also serious aggravating factors." he sets forth these points of difference in detail. after given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, trump allegedly did the opposite. according to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for months but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then lie about it.

on of the subpoenaed documents into liberally withheld the rest unlike president biden, trump did not alert the national archives or doj of the document snorted he turn over all the classified materials in his possession. he did not agree to sit down for a voluntary interview with the special counsel. he never consented to a search of his home. on the contrary, trump suggested his attorney hide or destroy and the grand jury. trump carefully instructed his aides to move boxes of classified documents to hide them from the fbi. trump tried to delete incriminating security footage from mar-a-lago and he got his attorney to provide a false certification. the fbi said he produced all of the documents in his possession. he did not. given that this report is soi inn the contrast between biden and trumpg, it's hard to see how my colleagues continue

to pursue president biden. host: your thoughts on that hearing for mr. with former special counsel robert hur.the numbers are on your screen democrats (202) 748-8000 republicans (202) 748-8001 and if your independent, (202) 748-80032. columbia, mississippi, republican. caller: i don't think america will ever be safe or prosperous again until joe biden is in a package sale - in leavenworth. cell they are a bunch of outlaws, thank you. host: belvidere, new jersey republican, good morning. caller: hi, i don't understand why a lot of your callers are acting like they are pinning this on trump when biden and the ministration is a complete disaster with record high inflation, wars breaking out all over the world, the israelis and

the palestinians and yesterday, robert hurbiden willfully retain classified materials at the end of his vice presidency as a private citizen. bingo. that spells doom for him but we know nothing will happen. he is vice president wasn't allowed to have these documents. trump as president was allowed to. people need to educate themselves a little better about this. i think they believe the democrats a little too much. host: let me ask you this -- when you said former president trump is allowed to have these documents, you are saying currently? caller: because he was president. biden was vice president and he had documents as a senator as well which he was not allowed to have either. host: you know former president are not allowed to take home official records. caller: think they are allowed to. host: no, they are not. let me show you this. this is on fact-check.org.

all official documents belong to the american people. the goes back to the national archives. it's talking about that the president of the conservative nonprofit judicial watch had written on that a present has discretion what documents to retain while in office. that is actually not true according to the presidential records act. it governs the maintenance of presidential records and it was passed in 1978. this is after her president richard nixon sought to destroy recordings made in the white house on activities related to the watergate scandal. when a president leaves office the archivist takes custody of those records in -- and they are responsible for the preservation and providing access to the public. caller: ok. so joe biden is vice president

he's not allowed to have these documents either, right? host: correct. caller: there you go. it's a crime. host: all right. let's go to columbus, ohio, democrat. caller: yeah, we need to educate ourselves. it bothers me because kelly and is the only one announced that she was giving republican voters and alternative reality and they live in this every day. the problem, the difference is you don't understand. joe biden gave the papers back. donald trump did not give the papers back. that one little part they will not get. it seems like they are somewhere else all the time. furthermore, every time donald trump does something, you can tell they know what they got because joe biden has to be a part of that. it's donald trump. i don't know what's going on in our country. i'm real saddened that we don't

have people smart enough to see through this thing. there's only one difference in this thing and that is donald trump did not give the papers back. they asked him over and over to return the paperwork. he thought he could just took what he want and do what he wants and say what he wants when he wants. he can't and i can guarantee you he ain't going to be the minix president. jesse ain't going to be the next president. there will be a revolution if donald trump doesn't get in. they need to start the revolution because donald trump is not getting in by any mas far as these republicans around here teaching our kids that donald trump paid them money, donald trump did not want to give them no money. that was nancy pelosi at full for that. host: we got this on facebook --jeff

is next in dearborn michigan, democrat. caller: hi, good morning and thanks for taking my call. i appreciate you educating these people when they say things that aren't correct. it really just goes to intent. host: all right, let's talk to joe in leonard town caller: caller:, marilyn, independent. good morning and thank you for your work. we appreciate it. to everybody fight about their side. it's very serious and sometimes your side loses and you have to open your mind and be willing to admit that. i'm willing to admit that the republicans and the democrats are killing the american -- the united states of america and they've been doing it for a long time. i believe that if donald trump wasn't part of their team, he

would have been dead like martin luther king and malcolm x. i don't see them doing anything but helping themselves. jared kushner and hunter biden both have the same attorney. ok? it's kind of suspicious to me. i know one thing for sure, mr. trump and mr. biden both stole stuff from the white house. and they've got us talking about that. it sounds like citizens united is really doing its job that's when foreign corporations got invested in our politics and for some reason, we've got five presidential candidates going into november all of a sudden. seems like chaos it's doing its job. the world is trying to defy the united states and conquer us. host: what you think needs to be done? caller: for me, the answer is simple. i lived in washington, d.c. for 54 years and we have the answer. we've got to stop these people

coming here and milking our country and leaving d.c. after d.c. rich. they go to the restaurants and carry gold and my friends are in the secret service. i've been there for 54 years and my friend is the secret service cia agent. what goes on in thiseveryone's world comes here and takes her stuff. we need to stop being greedy and stop going for the money and be more honest and truthful and get into politics more. don't be in politics for five minutes and thinking of trump area he's been around for a lot of years like biden. i'm not saying much good. i want to run for president. we need an independent. joe webb for president i say. i appreciate you all. host: warren in new york republican, good morning. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. caller: yes, i'm going. our country is never, ever, ever

going to go back to the way it was unless both sides begin to compromise. the democrats don't want to hear on republicans. the republicans don't want to hear a word out of the democrats. i'm a fiscal conservative republican. i don't under of me why the democrats under biden would allow these illegal immigran in. the inflation, we are borrowing money that your grandkids and my grandkids and their kids -- we are borrowing money and putting debt on unborn generations that it's just not right. host: did you watch the hearing yesterday? caller: yes, i did.

i watched it all the way. i thought the gentleman that was on the seat -- i don't agree with his report at all. it's my opinion that if he knew he had the stu, how can you say he's not able to be charged? he really had the stuff. i think that's being used and excused so that biden can't be prosecutit seems the democrats, all they want to do is indict. trump and they let biden and democrats go without nothing. like i say, the american people are not stupid. they can sit back and see the

truth here of law enforcement and it needs to stop. host: all right, let's go to the independent line in louisiana, good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i think the biggest problem we have in our is the uni- party. mitch mcconnell doesn't have to do anything. the party in the minority is always the key for the party of the majority. if the majority wants buy the under guy in this case mitch mcconnell. not only that, her biggest problem is legalized propaganda that goes through our media groups. host: with respect to this hearing yesterday on the hur report -- relate it to that. caller: is just like -- with

biden and hillary clinton. the intent [no audio] host: and paul is in wilmington delaware, republican. caller: good morning. i want to say that at the end of the day, biden and trump are both lost candidates. i don't care but democrats, wake look at your food prices in your gas prices and look what's coming over the border and look at your crqappy neighborhood. you people are -- host: paul -- he's gone. frank in poughkeepsie, new york, independent. caller: boy. host: i know. caller: people are insane. host: what you think? caller: biden, like you said, he

forgot the stuff in the garage and he turned it over. trump wanted to put the stuff on the plane. maybe wanted to fly to russia. all we know, he probably just copied it and gave it to pass it up to pruden. just to vladimir putin. trump is not an american. he is what you call a dictator. he's got dictator ways. these maga people, if you put all the maga people on a ship with donald trump, you will run that thing into the ground and everybody would sink and drown. host: let's take a look at the exchange between the former special prosecutor robert hur and the judiciary committee

chair jim jordan. they were talking about the potential motive for president biden as a private citizen to withhold classified documents. [video clip] >> why did he do it? why did joe biden willfully retain and disclose classified material? he knew the law. he's been in office for like 50 years. five decades in the united states senate, chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, eight years as vice president. he got briefed every day as vice president. en in the situation room. in fact, you know he knew the rules because you said so on page 226. president biden was deeply familiar with the measures taken to safeguard classified documents. an joe biden told us he knew the rules. mr. armstrong said this earlier. joe biden was deeply familiar. he told us when jack smith goes pen? what data was in that as -- in

those documents. it's irresponsible. joe biden knew the rules, you know he knew the rules and joe biden told us he knew the rules. mr. hur, why did he break them? >>essman, the conclusion as to exactly why the president did what he did is not one that we explicitly addressed inthe report explained my decision to the attorney general the no criminal charges were warranted in this matter. >> i think you did tell us. i think you told us. page 200 31, you said president biden had strong motivation. thatwe have a motive now. president biden had strong motivation to ignore the proper procedures for safeguarding th information in his notebooks. why did he have strong motivation? because he decided months before leaving office to write a book. to write a book, that was his motive. he knew the rules and he broke them because he was writing a book and you further say he

began meeting with the ghost writer while he was still vice president. there is a motive. how much did president biden get paid for his book? >> off the top of my head, i'm not sure of that information appears in the report. >> it sure does, there's a dollar amount in there remember? >> i down. it may be $8 million. >> $8 million. host: and we're going back to the phones to stephanie was a democrat in indianapolis indiana. caller: hi. why is it that nobody seems to understand that trump put the countrand all americans in danger by returning the top-secret information. look at how many documents he had. look at all the boxes of documents you had. ye but biden was the president and he

did not have the documents president trump had nor did the intelligence try to compromise with trump for 18 months to return the documents. what are donald trump's intentions? it's not just the amount of documents but it shows he was up to something. now he's claiming the documents were personal. that' to save his behind when he goes to trial about those documents. i think people don't seem to understand that donald trump is a danger to the country. host: is next in woodbridge, virginia, republican. caller: good morning, thanks for taking my call. i will try to articulate a few points, thoughts that i had. i watched about an hour of it. for me, it was a little boring.

i will just say that i was a united states marine, government worker and had clarence and i understand the process of the classification system. solution really is not to go after politicians. i think it is all political and both sides. broken, every single politician has probably taken back documents to their house as we have seen with mike pence and biden and no-trump. i think they need of better de- politicized solution to the problem which is finding a better way to not allow presidents and vice presidents and senators and house of representatives to take home classified material. d have been prosecuted nor do i think trump should have been prosecuted. the only way i think it was handled differently was biden was given advance warning that they were going to rate his home. i think the difference between the way they went after biden and trump is biden got a heads

up that's why he cooperated and trump did not. host: sorry, mr. trump was asked several times to return the documents. before that raid by the fbi. caller: that's a valid point. but biden was in fact given a heads up. he did not voluntarily coming knew the documents were there. that was obvious in the report. it was not going to give them up. the only reason he gave them up is the department of justice gave me a heads up. that's a fact as well. host: when you are saying we need a better system, what does that mean? caller: it's pretty obvious. the system is broken if we constantly have politicians taking home top-secret documents that could threaten or endanger our country. we have to have a nonpartisan

security team that oversees all the handling of classified material and ensures that when new administration comes in, the old administration turns and all those documents and the president will not have the chance to take those documents home. the second point i would say is everyone in america should remember that the establishment republicans and establishment democrats have created a very corrupt system to enrich themselves. look at our civil servants that are worth hundreds of millions of dollars including their families. these people made money as public servants, millions of dollars. the reason donald trump is being persecuted and needs to be destroyed is he is not one of the good old boys. he came in and kicked the apple card over. host: how our civil servants making hundreds of millions of dollars on a government salary excuse me when i say this but i think that's a silly

question. if you look at the history of the macconnell's and the pelosi's -- host: you're talking to lawmakers. caller: yes. they created a system in which they themselves through kickbacks books military jobs afterwards through insider trading for themselves and their families and donald trump made all his money in the private sector. host: insider trading is illegal. caller: look, we all know how the system works. find out where there will be a big contract and they whisper it to their wives or uncles or their sisters years in the why all these public servants are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. if anyone doesn't believe that, you have to be kidding me. these people were not worth that kind of money when they came into office. host: georgia, democrat, good morning. i am a 70-year-old black

guy that has a ninth grade education andople. in ancient times, white folks went to africa and when they got caught up in europe, they had climate change and all that stuff is happening and they su from intergenerational trauma. white people in power had a problem it and it's killing all of us. they don't want to talk about it , they don't want to recognize it and it might be the downfall of the united states. thank you. host: upper marlboro, maryland, independent, good morning. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i listened to the whole hearing yesterday. i'm a little bit appalled at how ignorant how the politicians

talk about classified information. president, if you are in the intel community, he committed spillage. it's not a persecuted bull offense. they will tell you not to do this again. president biden did not willfully or intentionally take classified information and give it to a foreign government or something. that's what you call espionage or you've done something that's a crime. i believe president biden is a former vice president, had classified information at home. he probably d that. he probably took bags of documents he was supposed to read to prepare for the next morning. in donald trump's case, he hasn't been in politics that long. he left the white house and florida which is not supposed to do. i believe both of them committed

and did something wrong but not a crime. donald trump willfully retained classified information that's the problem. i don't understand why they keep going back and forth how biden committed a crime and donald trump did not. i think both of them then did something wrong but trump again was overtly wrong because he withheld classified information even though he was told to give back those documents. i think it's all politics. we need to stop misleading people. there is one document that was confidential and they said he withheld confidential information, president biden confidential information is not something that should raise an alarm. host:brooklyn, new york, democrat. caller: thank you for taking michael. thank you for having the patience to hear some of the really violent rhetoric on

c-span. i think you said it best. you are dealing with this caller with just from virginia. facts are facts and it's evident that trump willfully withheld documents. he hid them in the fbi asked himhim despite all that, he was not willing to return these documents. just this past weekend, he was at his mar-a-lago house and he praised how he is the boss and nobody says anything. it baffles me how these people that call and say that somehow system that we are destroying this country that somehow because socialism has taken over -- look to you have running for the president. a man that has been corrupt his entire life and i lived in new york city. yes, we have problems, we have open borders yes, inflation is

coming down but we are passing through a period after the pandemic, the world is not falling apart. it's politics of panic that the republicans have put together. it's to make sure that people stay in fear and the people that follow t party see almost an existential threat to the country if we don't vote for trump. what i can tell you is this -- it's this kind of rhetoric and mentality of another alternate universe and if it continues to grip the republican party, this country will get what it deserves which is literally the dissolve meant of democracy. there is no way you or anybody with a reasonable mind can get through the minds of these people who somehow feel the building is burning when it's not. we have problemsng zero attention to how to resolve these problems, thank you. host: arizona next on the line

for democrats, good morning. caller: yes, good morning. i've been watching your show for a long time and everything and i'm still waiting to hear honest criticism of donald trump. republicans in the senate, republicans and the congress, republican voters -- please do the world a favor and stop wearing trump's diapers on your faces. the guy is corrupt. he is a two-faced person. he is in love with dictators. who knows what information he has given to vladimir putin? americans, wake up. the guy is worth nothing. he is a two-faced, good for nothing former president.

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talking about tiktok and the bill moving -- being voted on in the house today. what is in the bill and what will it do? guest: is a bill that would basically force the divestiture of tiktok from bytedance. gives tiktok 165 days to find a buyer to be its owner instead of bytedance which lawmakers take an issue with because it is a chinese company and it cannot get away from accusations of being beholden to the china communist party. basically this gives 106 he five days to divest. if they are not able to and find a new owner it would then penalize app stories like the apple app store or google to continuing to host tiktok and continuing to allow updates. so basically it is a de facto ban if they are unable to find a new buyer. host: what if you already have

that you do not need to download it. guest: no one can force you to delete tiktok off of your phone. if the app store and the google play store stop offering support and updates, eventually the app will be degraded and it will not work as well and there might be security issues. app do not offer -- not continually offering updates will keep -- is how they keep it safe. host: you mentioned that it is owned by a chinese company named bytedance. at concerns that are stemming from this ownership? guest: a lot of it depends on who you ask. there is a whole host of people that are just -- that will never stop being concerned because bytedance is a chinese company and by default chinese companies are compelled to comply with the chinese government. there is a national security law that means that if the chinese

government demands information from a company you have to hand it over. now bytedance will tell you over and over data is stored in the united states. they do not have access to the u.s. user data. lways shadows of doubt cast on bytedance because of chinese ownership. so there are fears that see on tiktok is ultimately controlled by china and that they tried to put out things that might be divisive or hot button issues for americans. we have not seen definitive smoking gun proof of that but some researchers put out some studies and other analyses that say that. there is a worry that engineers in china just have access to basic user data, name, location and address. and the idea that a company that is not based in america is wielding influence over american

youth and politics and there is this idea that what if an american owned company as a major source of news. that is something on -- that lawmakers have grown uncomfortable with even as they do all they can to quell the fields and -- the fears and said that americans have nothing used -- nothing to worry about. host: there is an article that says the top intel agency that china used in -- tiktok to influence u.s. elections. you said it is not definitive proof, do they have the ability to do that? guest: they have the ability to do that like every company. we have russian agents and meta-

with the own advertising services to post divisive content and there is terrorist content and foreign content. tiktok has the same problems as someone else as it comes to bad agents spreading divisive messagesçond trying to influence politics. the issue here is that it is not an american company. whenever they do things to say hey we are working on this we want the content to be helpful and neutral and for people to be able to trust it. there will always be a little bit of distrust that the intentions are not pure because it is not meta, which is incorporated in california. there is a little bit of doubt that they are not doing what they say they are doing. host: standby, we are going to take a quick break right now to announce the prize-winning

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documentaries will be broadcast on april 1 plus we can catch each of the 150 award-winning studentcam films online anytime at studentcam.org. join us in celebrating these civic lien engaged and inspiring young minds asn the issues important to them and those that affect our world. host: and we are back with our conversation with ashley gold, reporter for axios. we are talking about the bipartisan bill moving to the house being voted ban on tiktok or divestiture of its chinese ownership. we are talking a little bit about how much control does the chinese communist party have over tiktok and the company bytedance. i want to ow you real quick the portion of the ceo of tiktok talking to senators at a hearing in january about the steps that

the company is taking to try and protect that data. we will be taking your calls after they so you can start calling you now. democrats, 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. here the tiktok ceo. [end video clip] >> tiktok is owned by bytedance and is majority owned by global investors. you are right in pointing out that over the last three years we have spent billions of dollars on a plan unprecedented in our industry to protect the u.s. data from the rest of our staff. >> i am asking about all of the data that you collected prior to that. >> yes senator. we started the data deletion plan a year ago. we finished the first stage to our data centers outside of the oracle cloud we are beginning phase two where we will not only delete from the data centers at higher a4 -- a

third-party to verify.then we will go into employee's working laptops to delete that as well. >> was all of the data collected to tiktok prior to project texas shared with the chinese government pursuant to the national intelligence laws in that country? >> senator, we have not been asked for data and we have never provided it. [end video clip] host: you set -- heai had never been asked for data and never provided it. but, in the future does the chinese government have the right to go to a private company and say have me all oguest: they do. what lawmakers are concerned about is the possibility. there is nochinese communist government has gone to bytedance and said hand over the data on americans or the data on anyone. and you know, we can take the ceo at his word. but the sheer fact that they are a chinese company and beholden to china's laws inspires this

fear that it could happen in the future. host: the former president has been voicing concerns about this bill, even though during his administration he did try to ban it. first tell us what happened during the trump administration and then the sources of concerned this time. guest: back in 2020, -- sorrytrump did try to ban tiktok by executive order. the executive order was challenged in the courts multiple times and ultimately did not go through and did not work. that is when tiktok s going through a process with the committee for foreign investment in the united states to find a solution to potentially find a new buyer or work a sort of solution that insured to american officials that the data was secure. years and it never actually

came to completion. so trump did try to ban it but it did not work out. biden over seed this process -- oversaw this process. however, that has come to a now we are looking at a legislative solution. in recent days trump has thrown cold water on the ban which is confusing for people since he is the one who started the conversation. it is not unusual for former president trump to change his what we are hearing is that trump is increasingly antagonistic towards facebook and he thinks that facebook is responsible for him losing the last election. he thinks that if tiktok would be gone facebook has more power and he does not want that. there is reporting that some of his recent big donors are partial tiktok owners. right now he is throwing a wrench in the plans. i am sure that this is confusing

for them. he has not really supporting what they are doing so we have to see how it plays out. host: it is expected to pass the house today. what is it looking like in the senate? guest: the senate is interesting. we spent a lot of time on the hill trying to check the pulse on this. a lot of widespread support to get something done on tiktok. it really is a bipartisan issue that people care about. where they differ is the approach. the idea that a single company is getting called out a piece of legislation, there is a thoughtis un-american and unconstitutional. i talked to senator warren who said she would much rather see social media regulated rather than one company singled out. then you talk to people like senator warner who is the author of the leading bill in the senate, the restrict act and he seems open to the house approach which surprised me. i think there is a little more coordination between the two chambers then you would expect,

but when he gets down to it, usually egos and approaches get in the way and it is hard to get agreement on a single bill. so i think the senate will be harder for something to get through, but not as hard as we think. host: president biden has endorsed the bill, but his campaign has just joined tiktok this last month. what are you hearing from the white house? guest: what we hear is that there is already a law that keeps government employees from having tiktok on their phones. his intelligence officials think that tiktok is dangerous. however, biden very much wants to reach gen z we have a huge election coming up. they are more reliant on tiktok influential others who are already big -- influencers who are already big on the platform that spread joe biden's message then using the platform as a campaign. that is a dichotomy that shows irony, and it is a little hard

to explain from that perspective why they are able to both be on the platform and say they are willing to support the ban and i do not blame anyone for being abuse. host: we will go to calls talking to william in miamisburg, ohio. hello. caller: i am just an old dxumb 88-year-old tennessean. when the computers started back in the 50's if i am correct, i said it would take the world down. it went from the computer to the digital, and now it is controlled by the stock market and that coin next. a workingman does not stand a chance in what is in store for the company. the stock market is nothing but and bitcoin is nothing but green. host: what do you think of tiktok. i assume that you are not on tiktok. caller: i do not know how to learn it -- i did not learn how

to turn a computer on and i never will. that is why i say i am just old and dumb. anytime you have crooks and politicians host: i appreciate that william. i want to ask you about the americanto a possible ban on tiktok. there is a poll that shows this, 31% support a ban and this is from the ap. 35% oppose and 31% are neither. that is about as even as you can get. guest: absolutely. i think it is generational. i attended a rally outside of the capital where a couple of the big tiktok influencers and creators were saying how much tiktok saved their life or help them start a business or help them find a community and they were dependent on it. there is a huge community of

people that absolutely love tiktok and spend their lives on it. debate whether that is a good thing or not. i do think people are not paying close attention right now to what is going on on tiktok. if it gets to the point where it is about to be signed by the president might get louder of people who oppose. but, every day i see more and more folks who are coming to the conclusion that thod thing. so, you are right about the split. it is very 50-50 at this point. host: what are the chances it would get banned? aren't there buyers? guest: that is another interesting part. of course micr meta, or amazon or google could afford to buy tiktok. it is very valuable with 170 users. host: in the u.s.. worldwide it is like billions? guest: is a very huge and i would

say profitable but it is not publicly traded. is the biden administration has been very skeptical of big tech companies buying up big tech companies. so say that meta wanted to buy tiktok and that would cause an antitrust issue. the other thing to think about is that bytedance is not interested in a sale. tiktok is not interested in a sale. they said it would not be feasible for them and they put o support this project that puts all the u.s. data here in the country. and they are like who else will pay for that? we would have to give up our project? i reported two nights ago about tiktok's reporting sponsors of the bill they made it clear that they are not interested in a sale and you cannot force a foreign company to sell an assan but it is quite complicated. this sale does not seem feasible from their perspective even if there are interested buyers. host: jonathan in portland,

maine. republican. caller: good morning. i am an older man and i know about tiktok. i have been understanding this social media thing for quite a long time. i am more of a facebook person that i understand that we have troubles with privacy, correct? host: with privacy? caller: and i am understanding that facebook also has the same problems as tiktok. but, it is just not wrapped in a t: yes. what you are saying is what a lot of people say. tiktok has theher social media platform has. and the united states to this day does not have a federal privacy law. if weying issues would be addressed. what i am hearing from a lot of senators is yes, that might be true that tiktok is not unique in its issues, but it is the only company that has a chinese

owner and therein lies the difference. host: greg, texas, on the line for democrats. caller: good morning and how is everyone doing this morning? good to see everyone. i want to make a comment about tiktok and let me tell you, when we get our cell phones, where is all our car parts manufactured? and they are worried about tiktok? they are worried that it is educational and people are learning and teaching each other about politics and what is really going on. they go around the world trying to stop anything that people of color have going on. host: are you on tiktok? caller: yes. i watched tiktok and i enjoy myself and i get educated because they are talking about politics. have young people talking about voting and then they have the conservative people talking

abouty want to go and destroy people and fight when we are having a decent conversation. you get a whole bunch of people are talking about what is going on in the country and how to better the country, not destroy the country. everything we has comes from china. out controlling. remember the last time we tried to have something they took it away from us and they saidthey are not worried about tiktok, they are worried about people of color uniting together with the police officers, and they tear us apart. guest: you are not the only one who has brought up the fact that if you ban popular social media app where you have people having conversations about politics and other things it would be a loss for those communities who use it to communicate. representative m well -- maxwell and garcia were saying that outside of the capital that a lot of youth get their news

from tiktok. in the state of florida where there is laws banning how you can talk about sexuality and look bans, maxwell frost were saying that the youth think that tiktok is such a good resource because they are not getting what they see as accurate or fair information from their own government run by ron desantis. in this climate where red states are passing laws to restrict those kind of conversations there is a view that apps like tiktok are helpful in filling in the void. host: susan. indianapolis, indiana. democrat. caller: i just want to ask ms. gold, what is the chance of them not against tiktok, to get rid of tiktok or make them sell their ownership? because of donald trump? now he is all for tiktok.

guest: you knoweverything is happening so fast. i think that house members are so fired up about this and determined to get it done that it might be one of those times where they ignored trump and do what they are going to do anyway. i am sure that there are pockets especially in the freedom caucus that have some doubts now and are going to be thinking twice before they cast a vot let us talk to ricardo in greenville, south carolina. independent. caller: yes. i think as far as tiktok and i am not sure about other apps, there is just a global war with china. we are doing the same thing with solar panels and electric cars. at the end of the day withchina, they had information on u.s. government officials they did not getthey talked about tiktok

getting information and using tiktok to get that information, and in the future if they want to get that information, they can just go to brokers and to a third-party to get that information. they do not really need to get it from tiktok directly. if banned, twitter, and i call it twitter because the website is still twitter. i think that is more dangerous for the country than any other app. host: what do you think. guest: i have heard this message from other people too. if china wants to spy on they have other ways on doing it. russia was able to cede chaos in the 2016 election simply with their own internet research agency and their own internet connection. i think lawmakers who are for the ban say that it is just too

easy of a tool sitting here right in front of us and something that you can tackle. you are right that there are many other means for foreign countries and adversaries together american data -- to gather american data. we have china taking trade secrets in the academic setting. it is not ju poses a threat. host: montana as a state has tried to ban tiktok which is moving to the court system. is going on with that. guest: montana has attempted and it is being challenged in court. ultimately i think they will lose on grounds that it is unconstitutional from a first amendment perspective. a lot of these state laws that attempt to control tech companies and weaw this in one case a couple weeks ago, the end -- they end up being not well writn and it is easy to challenge them. it is hard for an individual state to try and control what a

global tech company is doing. so you know, it does not work out. i am not expecting the montana ban to be upheld. host: angela in california. democrat. caller: how are you doing? good morning. i am 64 years old and not on tiktok but i know a lot of people who are. i think the trojan horse is here, in the united states. that is a trojan horse. i do not understand how people in this country ofare feeling comfortable with a chinese company coming into the united states camera assessing everything in this country. we have all of these kids on th claiming that they are making all this money. they are not paying into social security and into medicare. they do not where is their future going to be on this? i think congress needs to make them sell it to american

companies, orthat is not a future that we need in this country. we are too dependent on china coming in here. they are going to take this country over and we are going to be surprised when they do it. host: what do you think? guest: what you are saying is what we hear from a lot of lawmakers, that tiktok can do the mitigation measures that it talks about to make sure that u.s. data is secure and point out that they are just like any other tech company, but the looming threat of china has not gone away. and i think is what is motivating all of this. so you are not alone in thinking that. host: chester sent a text from north carolina saying that "blocked so it seems clear to me, locked tiktok in the united states." guest: it depends on how you look at that, that is one way. but yesterday the progres lawmakers rallying outside of the z we do not want to be like an authoritarian country that

blocks technology sites and news on social media. it is un-amewe offer free speech, why would we block a source of information for people? so you know. host: should we take more calls or do you have to run? guest: sure. host: beth in indiana, democrat. caller: hello? host: go right ahead. caller: hello, i want to ask you, ms. gold, why can't they just go in there and apply the privacy protection act on social networks? why can't they get that passed? guest: why can'y protections on social networks, is that what you are asking? caller: yes. guest: congress has been doing that f they have been unable to come to a bipartisan agreement on what a federal privacy laws should look like. it is very frustrating for

everyone involved in the process. ultimately, there is disagreement on whether a federal privacy law would xisting state privacy laws and whether individual people should be able to sue over privacy violations. those two little aspects of the debate have held up for years now. so that is where it is. host: george. whitehall, new york. independent. caller: yes. maybe they could tie this back to section 230, and get something accomplished both ways. guest: on section 230, i mean tiktok is protected by section 230 just like every other text -- tech company. host: which is what? it essentially makes it so tech companies cannot be held liable for what people post on a platform. you cannot sue tiktok because of the posted something incendiary.

congress has been interested in changing to 30 but that -- 230 but that has gone nowhere. host: tony, for -- fort lauderdale, florida. independent. good morning. caller: i am agnostic on the but i am concerned about the sources of information we are getting. i called because i live in florida and i heard the guest say that there are laws restricting speech in florida and what you can say and banning books and i am tired of it. please starts -- stop slandering our state. we have laws that prevent or restrict certain instruction in schools. nothing is being banned. when you say that kind of slander against my slight -- against my state you lose my credibility. stop it. have a good day. guest: i was just telling you

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it is open forum. a few programs to be aware of. about 20 minutes on our companion networks today at 9:00 a.m., house lawmakers examine the consumer financial protection bureau's rule to regulate payment apps and digital wallets. you can watch the subcommittee hearing live at 9:00 a.m. eastern on c-span2 and also on c-span now and c-span.org. also at 9:00 a.m. on c-span three, a look at the role of software and defense department systems and how to acquire and deploy it for rapid innovation. you can watch the house armed services subcommittee hearing live at 9:00 a.m. eastern on c-span three, on c-span now and c-span.org. and yesterday at the white house, died announced an emergency aid for ukraine while beating with the

president and prime minister of poland. [video clip] >> today the united states is announcing an emergency package using cost savings from previously approved pentagon contracts including munitions and rounds to ukraine hold the line against attacks for the next couple of weeks which i have the authority to do without asking congress for more money right now. but i have asked them for a lot more money. and so, it is not nearly enough what we are announcing today. congress must pass the bipartisan security bill now what includes -- which includes funding for ukraine. we must act before it is literally too late because as poland remembers, russian will not stop at ukraine. putin will keep going putting europe, and the united states and the entire free world at risk. the at this critical time. with that, mr. president, i

handed over to you. the floor is yours. [end video clip] host: it is open forum. first to connecticut on the line for debt -- for democrats. good morning. caller: i am so sorry that your guest is not there anymore. i had a bit of a question and comment. sometime last year i read restrict teenagers and their use of -- i guess their version of tiktok, i cannot pronounce it. i am not talking about laws like free speech because they do not have that. there were studies that showed that being on social media was harmful to their younger -- younger people so children around the age of 14 are restricted to 40 minutes a day. and so, i cannot find the article right now but i am wondering if semi perhaps over there can take a look at it. it should think about. they are protecting their own children and we let our kids on

social media way too long. that is all i wanted to add. host: i appreciate that. colin, washington, d.c., morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i want to get on for your last guest, but i will just say my comment and hang up. thank you. fundamentally i think this is not about tiktok, but it is a relationship of the coverage of the israel-palestine can't -- coverage and how it is being ultimately censored through the israeli sensors. and i think tiktok provided more people on the ground in gaza with the ability to share their stories and we know that the president of the adl said in a recording says that we are using the news on and i do not think it is a coincidence.

thank you. host: are you on tiktok? no, he is gone. ray in syracuse, new york. republican. good morning. caller: i had two items that i wanted to comment on. the first one is the platforms tiktok and the others. i am sure that most people know this that keep up with these things, tiktok in particular, but all of them are the major gateway for child sex trafficking worldwide. so, every now and then it will pop up as a contact point and somebody that is missing or somebody whose parents have been looking for them. all of these things are bad. and obviously, it is a tw and that is the problem. the oligarchs that own these

huge platforms benefit greatly by allowing it to be used for s sex trafficking unfortunately. it is a vexing problem. the other thing i wanted to talk about on the discussion of official papers that pre have access to and whether or not they take them and what they do with them and how they handle them, if you paid attentio he meticulously had his paperwork done, and he basically goaded the fbi into raiding him. and he followed so meticulously that if you look at the picture is that they found he maintained those records and precisely the lawful way that he was required to as a president and former president.

so that they had no options and they had to take pictures of them. they had to make a good record of it. and he did that because it is a common way for incoming presidential and other candidates to get caught up hey use that to get you compromised. so trump said ok,, and compromise me. that is why we are looking at joe biden's paperwork once the fbi went and confiscated all of that stuff from donald trump and he had done it so perfectly lawfully that they really -- you are not going to see him indicted or anything far this because he did it perfectly. and purposely. host: you are not good to see mr. trump indicted? caller: you're going to see a lot of talk about indictments. host: he has been indicted for the classified documents. caller: no.

you think he has been indicted because it is in the news. nothing will come from that. host:carrie, petersburg, michigan. independent line. caller: i had a comment on the tiktok thing. our youth are on tiktok with random stuff wasting their time and i get it, it is a money thing. my thought here why they want to ban tiktok because because tiktok has taken the world by storm recently. and when creators go live, the chat people are giving them gifts, which ialand tiktok is making the money. so, my thought on it is our government wants to ban it because they want to be the ones

making the money. and that is all i will say on that. host: tim. west virginia. republican. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i wanted to discuss the way they are saying that trump will be the end ovoted in in four years he will be gone. if biden is loaded in the next four years, we are going to have that many more million immigrants that come in, which will be democratic voters, which will end the total election process because there will be more democrats that we canvote a republican back into office. another thing should be the way that the government lies about you. they lied about the killing of the jfk -- of jfk in the lie -- and the magic bullet.

they lied to yut the alien aircraft. so why would you say they did not lie about the election being stolen? host: nancy. portland, indiana. democrat line. go ahead. caller: i want to ask what makes everyone that is voting for the republican party and mostly for trump, what makes people and his voters think that he is going to support them if he is able to go through with project 25? host: ok. anything else? caller: yes. i also want to ask what is it that makes everyone think that trump is innocent? if he was innocent, would he -- he would not want to delay the cases.

he would want to go into show how innocent he is in the case is that he is now facing. so, why is it that he is fighting so much to make sure that his side of what he did not be hurt if he is so innocent? host: wally. oakley, california. democrat. caller: hello. host: hi. caller: thank you for c-span. i feel like the government is not working for we the people. i feel that way and then i have a comment for your viewers. n is supposed to represent the constituents that elected them. congress mem pressured to represent the party position as defined by so-called party leaders and they do so instead of folks. you have seen them hold these

so-called town whole -- town halls that are held by representatives. the vast majority of them consist of a representative telling the constituents how evil the opposing party is. i think a town should be the representative coming to their ri constituents what they would like to see from them and listening intently. have we ever seen such a townhall? host: connecticut independent line. caller: hello. i have never called in so i'm a little nervous. i have a question. i want to know why no journalist or anyone in the states has asked -- host:hat? caller: why are we letting in so

many immigrants, why is this so important and why are we allowing this when we are sending people across the world to protect us and we have had order is open. this is a concern of mine. i have a child in texas and l.a. and they fly often. and i am so scared of what is going on. and i do not understand why. can someone ask why? no one asked that and i wonder why. that is my question. host: carol. ashton, west virginia. independent line. caller:of issues that bother me. first off, i want to know why i have to prove who i am with my id to do anything. yet, if i am illegal, i do not. if i want to do something, i have to prove who i am. but if i am a -- but if i am illegal i do not. as far as the election goes,

it will be a repeat between trump and biden. i do not look at -- i do not like neither one of them personally. as far as their attitudes go. but i am going to look at policies. and i'm going to dig deep into their policy is. and i just, i feel like the media has -- they have picked to they want to push on us unless url they are doing your own research, -- and less you are out there doing yoursearch the media chooses who the president is because nobody pushes back. i think when trump was president the media would call him a liar or tell him he is lying. but they don't do biden the same way. i have seen how the media acted towards trump, that theytp do not do biden the same way. that tells me a lot. i think the reason -- and then

when they give talk down to anybody that supports trump. and then they wonder why people support him. the people that support trump they are not stupid people, they are not igntrabut when the media talks about trump's voters, they talk down tothen they wonder and they cannot figure out what the issue is. it is the media that is the issue. thank you. host: william. priest river, idaho. republican line. caller: hello. the lady that called in earlier and asked why they are letting 70 people in, -- so many peoplein i think the reason is if they can pull illegals into sanctuary states when they do the census the electoral vote

count goes up. i think california has an additional four because of the illegal aliens. but when they redo that all of those illegal aliens will be added to the electoral college so even if they do not vote they do count in the election. anyway, that is -- host: we appreciate your input. mark in alabama. democrat. caller: good morning. i have a couple of comments that i would like to make. one is regarding the immigration issu it seems to me like the right mostly which is outraged about the immigration issue down at the border. they have been very effective at getting the media to go along with their vocalizing the immigration issueillegals. when in fact most of these people who crossover are not illegal. once they crossover and they

request asylum, they are now asylum-seekers. they are undocumented, but they are in the process. they are not illegal. i wish the media would get off of using that as a general term. it makes the situation worse and it helps the argument professed by the right. that is one comment. the other i would like to make is about the israeli conflict over therei just recently finished reading netanyahu's book, and one only has to read that book that he wrote to understand his way of thinking. his way of thinking, he makes very clear in his book -- excuse me -- he has no intention of ever agreeing to a two state solution over there.

so i think the politicians in ournt really come clean on how they view him and how they deal with him because it is never going to happen as long as he and his ilk are in positions of power over and israel. so, he will do whatever i think he needs to do to speak to it. and i think the actions that are taking place over there in the last few months since and the tragedy of october have made that pretty clear. and that is basically all i had to say. host: so market, how do you want to american policy to change -- mark how do you want american policy to change? ca you need to acknowledge who you are dealing with and you cannot create diplo country, i do not believe, is being forthright and honest. because his decision like a lot of people on the extreme right

they want to push the arabs out to the sea just as much as hamas wants to push the israelis out to the sea. you cannot negotiate with someone like that if you do not know what their real position is, it seems to be like. host: alton, illinois. ron, good morning. caller: good morning c-span, i have three things. number one, i think you guys should do a show on dictatorship so these people understand what life would be like under a dictatorship government. that means nobody has rights. you will not have all of the media outlets you have now because you will have one state news outlet under a dictatorship. it will be the dictator innumber two, a lot of these people or republicans understand that they want to get rid of social security? what will you do when it is gone? they want to get rid of social security.

number three, republican women do you understand what it means when they say make america great again? they will take their rights away for you. itt a credit card in your own name. your husband had to be the one to get a credit card. they want to take you back as well. we do not need to go back, we need to go forward. host: mike. republican in dallas, north carolina. caller: good morning. i see -- i hear a lot of people talking about we need to do something with the maga crowd. ? we hear people on msnbc and cnn telling me i need to be reeducated. just for casting my vote. i mean, all i did was walk into the voting booth and i cast my vote. i am not here to make a revolution. i have grandkids i need to worry about. i would rather them grow up in a better world than i did. that is wh maga means to me

my grandkids growing up in a better world than i did. is there something wrong with that? host: let us fit in brent in washington. democrat line. caller: hello. i was calling because of the woman complaining that the press never calls president biden a liar. the reason they do not call himhe does not tell lies and president trump when he was in office told over 30,000 established proved lies. so that is why they do not call him a liar because he is not. and then on about you guys are talking about -- t always whining about how we pulled out of afghanistan. the fact is that when we got out of afghanistan it was trump that made the deal with the taliban and not the afghan government. host: i'm afraid i will have to cut you off because the house is about to gavel and. that is all for us today. we will be back tomorrow

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