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accountability will come to order. i want to welcome everyone here this morning. without objection the chair may declare a racist at any time. without objection chairman of the ways and means committee mr, representative matt gaetz of florida representative eric swallow of the committee for tht questioning the witnesses at today's committee hearing. today's hearing opening segments will be open to 10 minutes for the chair in 10 minutes for the ranking member. the chair notes points of order pertaining to the engaging of personalities against the president will not be in order for the duration of today's hearing. given this is a hng impeachment inquiry, members must be allowed to speak frankly. the chair that recognizes himself for an opening

>> the committee on oversight we are hear from witnesses who previously provided information during our deposition interview phase regarding the biden family business practices in china, ukraine, and other places around the world. at the start of this congress oversight committee investigated what products or service the biden family and their associates were selling that would justify over $24 million in payments. we reviewed e-mails, bank records, text messages, suspicious activity reports at treasury, and other evidence normally compiled during an expansive investigation such as this. the oversight committees found no credible evidence of the biden's providing any work products. the committee has identified no legitimate or document or

one single hour of work the biden's have provided their business partners. nothing. what is apparent after over a year of investigation the biden's do not work in any word. they do not work as consultants. or lawyers. or advisors. the biden's service a set of skills. the biden's cell joe that is their business. for months we have heard democrats desperately proclaimingitnesses of told this committee joe biden had no involvement in his family's business dealings. but where are those witnesses today? it is telling democrats have invited one of these witnesses to today's hearing. that is because the other testimonies would not withstand public scrutiny. democrats have relied on these witnesses opening statements

have willfully turned a blind eye t out in these interviews once the witnesses were questioned about our record of evidence are democrats now must who can talk about the facts but today's witnesses who w biden's. president biden cannot control his adult son. he cannot control his brother, his sister-in-law, or his nine family members who have received money from these transactions. all president biden can do is control was known are here todao discuss with the witnesses. because in the course of this investigation we have learned joe biden has taken action after action to further his family's plans to get he shows up to meetings, gets on phone calls, shakes hands and

tells people to quote look after my family. he dinners with foreign oligarchs on executive paying to send millions of dollars. he gets paid with money from chinese businessmen has some tells other business associates hope to see what he can do to help the situation. write the letters of recommendation for a bit associates chilled in the scam a simple promises they can make foreign partners go away by engaging the u.s. government the problems can be anything. we craning corruption investigation, moving rush at money united states ever mining criminal prosecution, access for china to energy sources for job shows up shakes a few hands in front o■,f h son" take care of my boy or something similar. in the money flows to the tune of tens of million's of dollars. i've done over and over again the biden family promises joe's

power, joe biden shows up billions of dollars come to the biden's pockets. joe biden is a families closer. how could he not be? the biden's are not doing any other work for the foreign companies that weren't tens of billions of dollars. there are only two explanations for this the first is joe biden knows exactly what he is doing and handshake, a wink and a smile as jim biden calls a plausible deniability. or joe biden is being led around by his family and has no idea who he is leading with what message she is and is truly an elderly man with a poor memory. either joe biden is complicit or joe biden is incompetent. since becoming chairman of the news committee generate 2023 a promise investigation by family influence peddling will be based on bank records, witness

testimony verifiable facts. after years of democrats is this committee is to help bees for every conspiracy day they could find like the russian collision hoax, under my leadership its return to real investigation. democrats want to spend a russian hoax answer one question. to earn them over $24 million. what did they do for the money? democrats had the same bank records as weighty of bank records do not lie. the witnesses today are here to talk about joe biden but republicans are here to talk about joe biden democrats wish to spend their time protecting prison biden they can do so. i wouldn't invited hunter biden here today to sit alongside his business associates and provide his side of the story. hunter biden demanded a public hearing i have given him one. maybe he will show up. he said he isn't but he loves and one thing and doing another

at some point hunter biden is saying one thing and doing another begins to reflect poorly on his ability to tell the truth at all. but just think it's not about hunter biden. is this investigation is not about hunter biden's joe biden the lacey continues to tell the american people. with that failed to rank members. >> thank you and ranking member raskin from the beginning of this investigation we have made clear will follow the facts lea. the facts have led us to two conclusions. one the biden family has for years traded under biden's namef dollars. often doing so with his direct knowledge and clear involvement. two, president biden has been continually dishonest with the american people about his knowledge of his family's business dealings. we have testimony from multiple witnesses joe biden was the

brand. he knew what his son and brother wereop it. that alone makes him complicit to make money off of his public service. he was not just complicit. it was one of today's witnesses have testified an enabler of this activity. the evidence of the two irs whistleblowers who came to the ways and means committee has been affirmed by volumes of material provided to congress the testimony of others and even by the department of justice to finally brought charges against hunter biden that mirrors those called for by the irs investigators. the evidence obtained shows one joe biden met with his sons of business partners on multiple occasions. he used an alias to exchange and dozens of e-mails with his sons and bookkeeper. he took official government action suspiciously coincided

with those meetings and correspondence. the connections between joe biden in the sun's business practices extended even to the biden 2020 campaign. at the height of the democrat primary kevin morris a hollywood met hunter biden at a joe biden campaign fundraiser paid off. tax liabilities because there was in his words a risk personally and politically. if that was not met or swept mat under the rug. investigators were told to stan. the biden family relied on the biden brand is so much evidence rebuilt hunter biden believed quote all of this stuff, meeting legal troubles would all go away when his dad became president. why did he believe that? for years the biden has personally benefited from joe biden's position of power. joe biden knew this.

he did nothing to stop it and he lied about it. i yield to tim jordan chairman jordan. >> i think the gentleman. plants of the pipe bombs and generally six? nobody seems to know if it who leaked the dobbs draft opinion? you know the leak that led to an assassination attempt on justice, part about this one who left cocaine at the white house questioned by the administration does not have time to answer these questions they are too busy investigating parents in school board meetings, labeling catholic extremist, retaliating its they're too busy putting together a sweetheart deal for hunter biden. a deal that got laughed out of court. the guy put together the deal the got left out of court is the guy they name special counsel. that time for us going after president trump they have been doing it for eight years. they spied on his campaign then

it was the mueller investigation , agents $30 million and found nothing for then it was impeachment, it was rate his home then special counsel. then it wasdment. the party of democracy said we can keep the guy off the ballot is leading in every single pole. the ranking member said president trump should be disqualified from even running for office. thank goodness we have a supreme court disagreed with the ranking member and the democrat. nine -- zero. not 54, not 63, 78 not 819 -- zero they disagreed. now democrats say how dare reblicans investigate joe biden. how dare they look into the money, the business and the brand? and said millions of dollars in foreign entities run from different companies for what?

twenty companies for what? devon archer told it what it was for access to the brand the brand was joe biden. the brand that■élayed rounds of golf, attendant lunches and dinners with hunter biden and his business partners for the brand that said that conditioned $1 billion of american tax money on the firing of the prosecutor pressuring the company hunter biden set in by the weight was getting paid a million bucks a year. today we will learn more about that brand plausible deniability that talk mr. wu heard about the statement, the rule say it, forget it, write it, regret it. i want to thank our witnesses for coming here today but they,

like the whistleblowers to come to the ways and means committee symbol because he want the american people to have the truth and i yield back. >> the chart recognize the ranking member or 12 minutes for his opening segment. >> thank you very kindly. with any luck today marks the■. end of the perhaps the most spectacular failure the effort to find misdemeanors" and impeach him for it. in episodes of this long-running madcap series america got to see the following. one comment nearly 20 fact witnesses could not identify a a "high crimes and misdemeanors" and overwhelmingly testified biden was not involved in any of adventures. two, three expert witnesses called by the majority itself who said nothing they had

in the tens of thousands of pages of documents produced by the majority even remotel approach the level of a "high crimes and misdemeanors." bank records which show exactly what all of the witnesses told us that joe biden was not involved in his family members businesses repeated displays of pornographic images by the majority completely irrelevant to any conceivable legislative or investigative purpose. a star witness turned out to be a chinese agent in an illegal arms a trafficker on that run from america justice. the key piece of evidence which chase at the 1023 form in which the fbi duly recorded a completely fictional tip about a $5 million bribe petal by alex smirnoff by a trump appointed

u.s. attorney, special counsel for felony counts of systematicalyi constructing a fd about joe biden. and now sits in jail in california as a flight risk while the world studies his long-standing and extensive ties today, the good chairman and his a's maga detectives is finally jumped the shark. the comedy of errors comes crashing to an end as house republicans and more than a dozen biden districts begged for mercy. the committee throws a flabby hail mary passed after the super bowl is over but to date we revisit the fruitless testimony of two more fading star witnesses have failed to testifm to any presidential wrongdoing. much less evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors. both of the majority witnesses are frustrated would be business

partnersf biden who tried to leverage the biden name with the biden brand as they keep calling it. but they never got any business off the grounhat will become painfully obvious to anyone watching the proceedings today. even hunter biden laboring at the time under serious substance abuse addiction could tell these were not the type of people who should be doing business with. so rather than presenting the biden brand they now show us today as loyal servants of trump world each of them probably represented by their very own former trump white house attorney. the first the bitterly disappointed one to be hunter business partner famously at litigious history includes unsuccessfully suing his own and dying father's charity for nearly aillion dollars. just last month suing cassidy atchinson for $10 million after she recorded he was wearing a

sk meadows means backed up with actual documentary photographic evidence. made his hazy allegations public on p choreographed by the trump for president campaign which provided him a venue and even a dress shirt they went out and bought for him to wear to the event. hours later 2020 presidential debate donald trump's personal guest he was seated with kid rock and mark meadows. the other star witness who i believe the pairing by zoom today is a serial convicted conman a term i would charitably not use on a witness except it was explicitly bestowed upon him by not one but

two different u.s. federal court judges including the one who sent him to over 15 years and prison for defrauding union pension funds a native american tribe and scores of investors. to pay restitu■6on of over $8 million to his victims. that is a lot of money. what donald trump was sent into pay a net civil litigation. the very first record of its claims against the biden family appeared, check this out in the clemency petition to president trump. but the key point is this. even if we were to believe every single word offered by these utterly compromised unbiased witnesses, their allegations do not identify any wrongdoing.

the impeachment bus running on empty our geo colleagues are preparing to save faceiminal re. requires evidence of crimes. doing crimes we have seen like russian asset devon archer, jason glamis. cast a piercing lights on what is really taking place here. on has reason to know. he too used to be peddling lies and disinformation smear joe biden. today he joins a long line of self exiled from trump world who could no longer >> all corruption. people like cassidy hutchinson. people like michael cohen.

sarah matthews, general james mattis, the chair of the jointfy general jon kelly and now vice president mike pence he refuses to endorse for president the man he served with. but we do have loyal still in the room and one day i look forward to hearing their testimony about how they got sunk into this religious cult. he wrote chairman comber and me a remarkable letter on july 23, 2023. this is the first time i meeting him today. he was rudy giuliani's right-hand man. his globetrotting business partner and language interpreter in the mission to manufacture ukraine and burisma related dirt and smears against joe biden. that was in 20,182,019. he spent all this time traveling around the world trying to's

stage evidence against joe biden. the desperate srco find evidence of any kind of biden corruption was a complete and total bust. is no evidence in ukraine that joe biden did anything improper but more d gun against biden to invent and concoct evidence out of thin air with the active help of russian intelligence assets and agents. i'm getting to rush you have not heard anything at mr. chairman. amanda reckoned with this own moral dissent into trump world, he is ashamed to serve the interests of russian propaganda and putin's lies.ç8 know the

truth. i was to explain how the conspiracy theories and lies promoted wit giuliani the tires and fabrication spread by alex and now repeated by theitt. at every turn might colleagues krait rush a hoax. even in the face of repeated warnings fro donald trump'swn treasury secretary and secretary of state from the intelligence community from robert mueller and most recently from'' special counsel weiss name to office by butdonald trump is a secretary stated quote russian disinformation campaigns targing american citizens are a threat to our democracy. someone you guys usually defend my gop colleagues can krait russia hoax like cult member selling flowers at the airport. our colleagues are the ones amplifying the russian hoax.

the one giuliani a smirnoff have eagerly adopted from putin and his agents but they participate in this hoax they shamefully block $60 billion in military assistance to president zelensky the besieged ukrainianears afted giuliani tried to shake a president zelensky down for counterfeit dirt on joe biden. they continue to parrot these transparent russian lies, vladimir putin waitresses body aggressive war on ukraine fueled with atrocities like the mass children the rape and slaughter of civilians for the maga right wholesale adoption of this russian hoax and the sellout of the ukrainian people by the maga right is a historic betrayal of democracy, freedom, the rule of law b the defense of democracy begins with

fidelity to the troops and the oversight democrats america's troop squad against disinformation is here today to set the record straight. i yield back to you mr. chairman. clock said now like to introduce our witnesses mr. tony bobulinaki. he was a business partner of hunter biden in a joint venture between a chinese entity he sat for transcribed interview with the committee on february 13,20. he was not a business associate of the biden family. mr. parnas is an entrepreneur political activists and an author. mr. jason gallant us. it was a business partner of hunter biden. he sat for transcribed interview on the 23rd, 2012 for we asked the b them available in person today.

they would only provide him forr brief virtual testimony. notably he applied for terrorist acts, home confinement and after lengthy approval process was approved for home confinement june 9, 2023. the following day 2023 his approval was reversed as a result of the department of justice intervention. so he has remained at a federal prison facility he is currently in montgomery alabama can you please estate for the record who >> my counsel and nicholas.u? >> thank you.eg pursuant to committee rule 9g the witnesses will please stand and raise your right hand use

only swear or affirm the testament you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth so help you god? let the wreckage of the witnesses all answered in the affirmative. thank you, you will may be seated. we appreciate you all being here today look forward to your testimony. let me remind the witnesses we have read your written full in the hearing record. please make your oral statements to five minutes as a reminder please press the button on the microphone in front of you it is on and members can hear you. you begin to speak the light in front of you it will turn green after four minutes will turn yellow on the red light comes on your time has expired we would ask you please wrap it up as quickly as possible. i now recognize mr. bobulinaki for his opening statement. >> should i allow hunter to give his opening statement first?rp■ó >> does not appear mr. biden shut up first public hearing

will recognize you. >> think you mr. chairman. chairman, ranking members and members of congress, good morning. thank you for this opportunity to speak with you and present my truthful testimony to the american people. i sit here today under oath for one reason one reason only, the american people deserve to hear the truth. the truth involved in the deep corruption of the biden family including the malfeasance of the sitting president of the united states might be raw and unpleasant the american people must hear it. you are presented here today to narratives i t investigation. the false coming pushed by joe biden a serial liar and fabulist known as impeachment investigation for public corruption his brother jim biden 75 your old man who cannot keep his lies straight including under oath and including a son son chronic drug addict facing indictment 12 count you have the truth confirmed by multiple biden family business partners over many years a■2nd backed upy mountains of irrefutable

evidence of link text messages, e-mails, documents, recordings, i am the only biden family busi partner with an impeccable military record. i am grateful this countries give me the freedom to be successful. i would charge you become independently wealthy. i've taken several businesses public. sold multiple businesses and some world best private equity firms affect my business success is why they sought me out. however with this done is repugnant to me i'm here today because i'm a patriot and i'm■

hunter biden's defense attorney weaponize as letters to congress to try to smear my name. >> mr. chairman? mr. chairman attempt to save his powerfully connected clients and his father. i challenge him to make those claims on national television so he can be held accountable for his lies. prior to my successful business career as an officer in the nine states navy elite command i served as a chief technology officer. >> i apologize for the disruption. >> am i supposed to say it's my time? >> please come to order. mr. bobulinaki please proceed i apologize for this disruption from the minority. >> mr. chairman save his time. healrs i just want to know whether the order and the

quorum requirements of house rule 11 apply to witnesses appearing before the committee. does it apply or does it not? >> should i adjust? there is decorum for that members we've asked for that. there is no language i am aware potential witness. make sure we did not waste any of his time is opening statement. mr. bobulinkski for this disruption please continue opening statement. we'll make sure it's right. >> okay. i want to restate. ma these facts. weaponize letters to congress to try to smear my name mistake the cold hard facts attempt to save power for collected client and father. i challenge mr. lowell to make

those claims on national television so he can be held accountable for his prior to my successful business person officer for over six years the night states navy the elite naval nuclear power training command decorated master training specialist. he later served for the department of endocrine nsa. when i left in the entire jumped into the business world in public markets. but i've made a few contributions over the years to democrats such as a representative i do not see him but hope he shows up today. i sits on the democratic side of the oversight committee i'm not a political person to cover a family with a long history in our nation's military. including my father, both of my grandfathers and my brother who are willing to sacrifice their lives for this great country my

sister serves the military vets for two administration we have lived our lives as a family and service to this great country. i hope the american people will pay close attention i also hope they will understand some members of this committee will gauge in absurd attacks and efforts to try to deflect attentio facts i will present today by questioning my integrity and my patriotic duty. you may see me speak passionately at this hearing but for good reason. not only was i willing to die for this country, every single mail member of my immediate family was willing to die for this country. i want to be crystal clear my direct personal explains what i've subsequently come to learn it is clear to me joe biden wase biden family his or her influence peddling operation from china to ukraine and elsewhersold out the foreign actors who are seeking to gain influence and access to joe biden in the nicest governor.

joe biden was more than a participant in a beneficiary of his family's business he was an active, aware enabler he met with business associates such as myself to further the business despite being buffered by a complex scheme to maintain plausible deniability. i asked this big question if thereis no evidence of corruptin here today joe's conduct he can't oppose family or fully legal and proper then why are they so dishonest about not just a slight misrepresentation of fact but deep untruths about the entire corrupt enterprise. hunter biden gave transcribed interview on february 28 light throughout his testimony. here's one egregious example of hunter's perjury. he lied to the committee on important details concerning his many demands and threats and text messages o july 30 he

leverages in the infamous text to pay hunter immediately. he also laid extensively throughout his transcribed interview on february 21 and peured himself. an example of that on page 100 of his transcript he is asked specifically do you recall having a meeting with hunter biden, tony bobulinaki and joe biden? jim's response, absolutely not too. the committee was so shocked by his perjury they asked in the same question multiple times. each time he denied meeting with me and joe biden. after the committee showed text messages confirming i met with joe biden, hunter biden and jim biden jim was a former u.s. attorney lawyer sitting next to him. still denied the meeting took place. hunter biden and his own transcribed interview confirmed that meeting took place.

hunter confirmed his uncle perjured this committee. i am here to tell the truth to the american people and i hope each and every one ofssmen and e opportunity to do that instead of focusing on a russia or smearing my family's name or focusing on facts that are irrelevant today. i yield back. experimenter inquiry just two points. believe mr. bobulinkski went over hope to have the same privilege markets are given equal time too. >> secondly i see we have a witness appearing remotely i thought witnesses were required to appear in person are the rules adopted by the majority at the beginning of congress. do we have a new practice with respect to that rule because i know members on our side were denied the ability to participate in hearings that were conducted in florida, mississippi, alabama that we

wanted to participate by zoom. cooks i'll■< answer that it requires to build testify at remotely requires a letter from me and approval from the majority leader which we have. we'll enter that into the record. >> thank you. i hope you extend the same courtesy to members of this committee when they can get to a hearing in mississippi or florida thank you much. >> for an inquiry? >> take your point. >> mr. chairman, mr. bobulinkski referred to text messages i believe he is referring to photos. >> what is your parliamentary inquiry state your parliamentary inquiry. we have a very important hearing here we do notf have time for stunts what is your parliamentary inquiry? >> i am simply asking too. >> the chair out recognize for his time. >> the chair recognizes dizzy

chairman have the text messages? >> mr. chairman twitter have time for games by democrats today. >> of important witnesses here. >> and asking a question. >> you asked for a parliamentary inquiry. you have five minutes whenever jamie gives you tells me it is your time to speak. the chair recognizes you for equal time which was seven minutes. >> thank you hello. members of congress german coma, ranking member at raskin and members of the oversight committee. i am humbled and thankful before you today. i came to the united states from up ukraine in 1976 it was still th union. my mother, father, sister had left the soviet union escaping anti-semitism and persecution. whil i to his or my sister and i had the most important opportunities we've ever been given.

we went u.s. green card lottery. i family came here with literally no more than shorts on our backs in the hopes of rebuilding our lives in the land of freedom. i say this to you because i love this country. shortly after my arrest on october 9, 2019 until now i've been trying to share the irrefutable truth with you.n lid to by donald trump, rudy giuliani various cohorts of individuals in government, media potions. they create falsehoods to serve their own interest with undermined the strength of our nation. from november 2019 until 2019 ay participant and a witness to numerous efforts to prove joe and hunter biden who were linked to corruption in ukraine. rudy giuliani present donald trump task with the mission to travel the globe fighting dirt on the biden's they could spread misinformation about them.

ironically when i was arrested my original too an individual the unindicted co-conspirator one. we know this individual to be congress repeat sessions are sits on this very committee today. today i ask you to consider the following break nearly a year traveling the world in different countries i found precisely zero evidence of the biting corruption in ukraine. no credible sources ever provided proof of activity. the fbi, cia or nsa. no respectable ukraine officials ever said the biden sit anythind anything illegal including former go and former prosecutor. was offered a deal by rudy giuliani in exchange for information on the biden's, he provided none because there is none. only information push on the biden ukraine has come from one source and one source only. russia and russian agents.

the proceedings that bring us here predicated on false information spread by the kremlin. everyone involved knew they were sharing lies. from trump and giuliani shattered diplomacy commission's ukraine and elsewhere, to members of a team a group coened for the sole purpose of investigating and damaging the biden's. everything was for the ultimate benefit of donald trump and thereby vladimir putin. because teams investigations were centered around biden ukraine i was just a point every pursue. that is how i know with certainty these biden stories are untrue then and are untrue congress and pete sessions and devon, senator ron johnson at many other thirds under said they're pushing a false narrative. the same goes for sean hannity, and media personnel particularly at fox news who use this

narrative to meet up like the public ahead of the 2020 election. sadly they are still doing this today as we approach the 2024 elections. we cannot separate the conspiracy from the russian ukraine or because trump has no intention to keep aiding ukraine. without the support of the united states and nato, millions in ukraine will suffer and die. if we allow russia to defeat ukraine eventually that suffering will reach american shores. today, i admit my own wrongdoings. on surface engines. we don't hide that from reality because as part of my truth. i will be sounds no longer i thank you to the committee i looked forward to answer your question for.

>> is a business partner of hunter biden and among others during the years 2015. the one half billionollar division our objective was to private equity platform be anchored by together with a political name. our■ goal hunter biden, devon archer and me was to make billions. the entire with his family name vice president joe biden. in 2014 we believe the enterprise submitted had partnership with the management 300 early and dollar chinese financial service company

connected to the chinese communist party. hunter biden. this fellowship because game changing of the family. he was a member of the. the. [inaudible] august 23 cap 2014 that reflects this understanding. and i quote. michael, please better coertain relation of mind. but that relation earlier this week. we discussed this very idea. and as always he remained very, very keen on the opportunity. a certain relation of mine had this conversation shortly after

it happe. ultimately hunter had a jump rule of thumb say it, forget it, write it, regret it. hunter biden and devon archer what hunter took a call from his father and told him things were going well. and they might need a little help getting across the finishl. it is not the only hunter called his father may 4, 2014 put them on speaker mode to say hello to a russian oligarch and investor. and not all was also there. i am here with our friends i told him you were coming to town we wanted to say hello. said hello and hope you have

safe travels and ed was okay. hunter responded by saying everything is good.something abl and said he was going to call his father later. before this call on day one i heard him speaking of business matters is generally. a few days after this and e-mail provided the committee showed it devon had confirmed was committed to a million dollars in banking. [inaudible] in the financial platform i engage companies interested but $11 million of money whose trust.t year. [inaudible] i'm sorry for committing these crimes. i deserve what i

nevertheless my full statement i believe it did not on the same deals for political reasons. we are involved in decision making andll of us had financially benefited from these schemes. and in fact biden and received $50 million to be invested in the group. all of this information hun timt interested. and i felt the d.o.j. december 2022. the d.o.j. has retaliate against me for the cares on february 4, 2023 as approved on june 9, june 12 a subpoena

for devon archer reversed my approval. responding objective. this was personal. [inaudible] during this generate 2023 he persisted sexually harassing me many months after. which removing from danger.■: not being able to prevent the attack. the bureau og+ psons on these matters leaving disclosure would have made things worse for me. unfortunatel early august when where the officers caught and became more threatening. i feared for my safety and sock to seateek counseling on 1020,

2023. with events and asked quickly opened an investigation. the act. i was immediately escorted to a vehicle and driven by staff hours to montgomery to a separate facility. i am grateful that committee has opened an investigation into these matters and i appreciate center jordan and subcommittee chairman. i believe retribution i believe i'm putting myself at great risk for providing information on these matters concerning the president and his son. i've been treated professionally at montgomery. i want to thank to help facilitate

[inaudible] mr. galanis i want to thank all the witnesses again for being here today. we will now begin the question. i want to remind members on both sides of the aisle, each member has a five minutes. i'm going to adhere to that and hit the gavel of the question has been asked we will allow the witnesses time to respond. but we are going to try to get in a lot of questions from a lot of members. and i will begin the questioning followed by ranking member raskin. again, mr. bobulinkski thank you for your service. your military service i appreciate being here. during the 118 congresses one o' committees and messenger's involvement in his family's influence peddling schemes around the world. so, let's start with that. mr. bobulinkski was joe biden involved with any of your business dealings with hunter biden and james biden?as he invs

family's attempt to sell their access to him? you sent out a form -- to form a legitimate business with the biden's. did you come to find out that the biden family had no i did. >> mr. galanis are you aware of any time hunter biden using joe biden with joe biden's knowledge to benefit their business associates? >> yes. >> which business associates? >> the russian oligarch russian, chinese the chinese manager henry. [inaudible] and nikolai from ukrainian oligarch. >> that we have established joe biden was involved in his family

e turn to financial records we have subpoenaed. one major point democrat colleagues downplay is how much money the biden's accumulated from form business features in such a short period of time. we have over $24 million a biden family and their business associates 2014, will joe biden was vice president, to 2019. mr. bobulinkski there is a time or attempting to raise $10 million in the chinese to pursue an actual business deal a real deal. it would not be correct to say this was a 10 million-dollar deal, would it? what did the bidens conceive of business with the chinese becoming? >> the chinese were committing to deploying a billions of dollars in infrastructure projects here in the united states as well as around the world. biden met with

rob walker and devon archer to? >> i'm generally aware of it. >> as you discussed earlier regarding the russian oligarch, you were present for hunter bidens then calling his vice president father with the russian oligarch was present, correct? >> yes he was. >> you also were present for hunter bidens conversation with his father about a board■ seat n a chinese board is that correct?

[inaudible]■ >> so mr. galanis isn't true joe biden said he did not interact with his family's business associates, that is untrue, is it? >> i believe. [inaudible] >> out to touch on the fact the absence in the middle part hunter biden has chosen not to attend today's proceedings but i've given mr. biden exactly what he asked for. it is clear hunter biden knows his testimony would not withstand public scrutiny. joe biden has not been truthful about schemes to sell access and influence. today's witnesses will show the american people side of the story that the psident and h allies on the site of the aisle are eager to hide. mr. bobulinkski can you tell us about your meeting at the beverly hilton with mr. biden

kuester. >> the short version of the long version question. >> long version within a minute. [laughter] biden and joe biden were in los angeles for a variety of business discussions for joe was there to speak at the conference in may of 2017. i had lunch with hunter biden and he had asked to meet with his father that night. he8, set up a meeting at the beverly hilton where they hold the conference i got there early and sat with jim biden, hunter t were doing with the chinese illegal documents i was working through. they had coached me before joe showed up say listen were going to keep things in very high level but were not going to go into a lot of details in this meeting and i remember because was odd joe was not in the white house then. they were framing it that

joe showed up, walked to the lobby i stood up to shake his hand we sat down spent 45 minutes within our going through my background for. >> you most in that long kuester. handshake to second is 45 minute long meeting to an hour we talked about a lot of stuff. >> and chair recognizes mr. rankin for his questions. >> are going to mr. garcia to begin too. >> thank you very much for the record he has provided zero o evidence of any link hunter biden and the president is the business dense once again back to hearing any wrong doing by the president. hugs it's my time sir. mr. bobulinkski want to go back to the private deposition that i had to i was one of a handful of

democrats and that private on the record under oath conversatione had. during that deposition i asked you a question of which you gave a false answer to know what to go back to that. i asked you specificallyial debe that was attended by you and others. and a huge moment in that campaign and you could not recall. you said quote i do notrecall we debate. you member who is telling me that? what's your playing semantics to asked me as if someone call me directly and gave me a ticket. >> or let me i want to reclaim my time so i'm going to reclaim my time. let's asked me a question for. >> i'm reclaiming my time thank you sir. into the presidential debate? i do not recall who got me into the debate you do not remember who got you into the biden joe

biden and donald trump. >> is not a true statement. you quoted i don't recall who got me into the debate it's the transcript too. >> you did not ask that question. >> i will reclaim my time i'm not asking question right now thank you very much sir. here as was shown by ranking member raskin we know you were in the debate sitting adjacent and next to trump officials. when we were confronted again on this same question mr. bobulinkski if you are a guest of mr. trump's at the debate you responded and you quoted once the wall street journal called you out is the wall street journal god or facts. he refused to confirm you are a guest of donald trump are going to ask you one more time are you a guest of donald trump at the presidential debate? >> mr. garcia those are all the questions you asked me my transcribed interview. >> answer the question sir you a guest?

of donald trump at the debate. it's obvious to everyone in the world. you are asking santics because you are guest? answer the question at the time you said i don't recall who got into the debates are just to be clear i want to keep going.

i do very clearly. >> do you know who jason miller is? >> i do know of him. >> a trump >> mr. garcia, you keep asking semantical questions. i had three lawyers around me coordinated my travel, where i was going. >> i will reclaim my time. it's interesting you show up to a■l pre- debate press conference and presidential debate by the person running for the presidency of the united states yet you have no idea how you got

to the press conference or remember how you got to the debate and here you are speaking at a presse on which the national media -- so how did you bet get to the press conference? >> i flew on a plane. >> who invited you to the press conference? >> my lawyers told me i was invited to come to tennessee. at that point i was trying to get the truth infects out to the american people. at that moment in time if i recall eating million people watched the debate and that wase who can't remember how he got to be donald trump press conference or debate, you are in on credible witness. thank you and i yield back. >> the chair recognizes the chairman of the house ways and means committee, jason smith, for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman. we've previously heard from two irs whistleblowers that joe biden was the brand being sold by family members.

one such example of this could be seen in a june 6th, 2017 whatsapp message where hunter biden told a business associate that he was not willing to, quote, sign over my families brand, unquote. or give them, quote, the keys to my family is only asset. can you confirm that president biden is the brand being sold by his family members?le] >> thank you. during his deposition, hunter biden repeatedly testified under oath that his father was not involved in his business in any capacity and that there wasn't even a connection between his father and businesses. quote, i stayed for the record one more time under oath and under penalty of perjury, my father has never been involved in my business. i have never asked to be involved in my business. my father has never benefited

from my business, and i've never asked aon anything for the benefit of anyone i've ever done business for unquote. yes them ways and means committee released a whatsapp message provided by the whistleblowers showing that hunter biden wrote on july 30th, i'm sitting here with my father and we w■ould like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. i'm sitting here waiting for the moreover, you testified that hunter was not shy about the ability to get his father on the phone. devon archer testified that there were multiple instances in which hunter placed his dad on speakerphone. was hunter biden telling truth when he testified under oath that his father was never

involved in any of his business dealings? ■ioó no he's not, those are blatant lies. >> we continue to hear claims that president biden was not involved in his family his business dealings and that he did not benefit from illicit business deals. however, irs special agent joe zigler provided documents to the ways and means committee 327 e-mails, many of which involved hunter biden and hunter biden's business associates. do you have any personal experience that leads you to believe that joe biden was involved with hunter biden's business associates and business dealings? >> >> you want to say a few? >> to outline how joe was invoked? >> yes. >> different congressmen say tht there is no evidence and use the

word "involved." if joe biden was son's businessy after flying all the way across the country to the conference, where there is next to in the world, why would he take 45 minutes out of his night flex it wasn't a 10 a.m. meeting. evening. he's an elderly man. flew across the country to sit with me 45 minutes to an hour to discuss my background, the business we are doing with the chinese, his family background. >> speaking of the business with the chinese, in october 2020, joe biden asserted that his family hadn't earned money through business dealings in china however whistleblowers shared evidence that theiden family made at least 1.1 million from their business with china including $100,000 in payments from cfc, china energy and a one million-dollar payment in

exchange for legal services that were never provided to an official. do you know whether the biden family made any money from china? >> they did. millions of dollars i think approximately eight to 9 million. >> the biden family has made millions from china, correct? you said at least 9 million? >> i think it is over 10 million and i will leave the details up to you guys. >> the gentleman yields back and recognizes the ranking member. >> thank you mr. chairman for being here today. your involvement with the real russian hoax about joe biden began in 2018 when as a big donor and supporter, donald trump's you were introduced to rudy giuliani and began working to dig up dirt on joe biden in ukraine. if you could tell us how quickly you got involved in that?

>> yes, i was a donor at the time. i began doing business with giuliani he got involved in the business and the minute we started spending time together until november of 2018, he approached me and asked me about my connections. after telling him about people, add to that point he wanted me to go to ukraine to find the prosecutor general. >> and basically he wanted to go from his fraud guaranteed to guaranteeing of fraud on the american people. but after turning over every stone and going after every rabbit hole including interviewing victor, did you ever find the smoking gun or any evidence that donald trump was looking for paste on joe biden? >> on the contrary, representa.eep hitting that wall and not finding the smoking gun but we kept running it to

sources of information coming out of russia. >> in fact joe biden was part of a global campaign including by the united states to oppose corruption and go after the corrupt forces in ukraine, is that right? >> yes sir. >> at what point to dig up became spreading disinformation and flies? >> at some point when we hit a few brick walls, all of a sudden then i saw the shift between the group that included john solomon, the media personality and other trump lawyers to start trying to push narratives that we have no way to validate them basically a letter would come over from somebody in ukraine and handed it over to john solomon. he wasn fox two hours later with sean hannity. >> at what point did he begin

working directly with russian agents and russian assets, individuals who would later become sanctioned by donald trump's own treasury department for spreading propaganda disinformation against joe biden? >> sometime around may or june around 2019. >> were you aware that these people were basically doing the bidding of vladimir putin? >> absolutely. >> he had no hesitation about spreading lies that were concocted by russian agent is? >> as long as it fit the narrative, absolutely not. >> how were you and giuliani able to take these false allegations peddled by corrupt officials and russian agents and promote and amplify them here in the united states in our political system? were in the media groups skeptical of your claims? excepr fox and a few other right-wing media groups didn't want to take

any of the information, and that aggravated rudy giuliani and john solomon and other players. the main group that was being pushed through was sean hannity and some other media personalities. but there were other people doing the bidding like senator ron johnson, pete sessions with me from the very beginning of this journey. >> is putin's war on ukraine today which has cost hundreds of thousands of people's lives, is >> absolutely not. >> is it real? >> absolutely. i want to ask a personal question if if i might, living through this extraordinary period of history, i tried to ask people like wondered about people like general millie, general kelly why did you break with all of

the corruption and lies of donald trump? how did you get out of that culture? >> it was very difficult. i had to get arrested to get out of it because when you are in that cold, your around them and have blinders on and see a certain amount, able to hear the certain amount of information and you are not allowed to go out if you go outside of the circle then you are not in the circle, so eventually you brainwash yourself to believe certain things that are not true to understand what was going on i started realizing going back to moments in time whe started thinking to myself this can't be true and we are doing something wrong. >> thank you for helping america to end thisightmare. the chair recognizes the chairman of the house judiciary committee jim jordan. >> the ranking member just said

that joe corruption. so opposed he leveraged a billion dollars of american tax money to fire the prosecutor in ukraine who was investigating the company hunter biden sat on theder. the prosecutor that replaced and represented in his opening statement, guess what he did? he took him off the wanted list and dropped the charges. he's really opposed to corruption. who is the big guy? are you sure about that? >> i'm a thousand% sure because when he did his deposition he said i don't know who did it, even though he was copied on an e-mail that said they will hold 10% for the big guy. there's other text messages that back that up that have been

produced. they took them from subpoenas directly from the icloud that back up the fact that hunter knew. >> the brand, the one who showed up who took phone calls and meetings and lunges and with his business associates. >> you referenced in your opening statement may 4th, 2014 you were at a party at a restaurant in new york. can you tell me who else was there? >> there were more than a hundred people there [inaudible] i think you referenced a phone

call that took place. all, who was involved with of the phone call? >> there was myself, hunter andd his father the president is that accurate? >> tell me what was discussed on the call. >> [inaudible] talked about being good to his boy did you get the impression

joe biden was expecting the call? >> this was coordinated.ll. he calls his father then vice president and i think in your deposition you think he said this, i'm here with our friends that i told you were comin to town. so it's our friends and i told you this was going to happen would suggest that it was most definitely coordinated. >> a russian billionaire [inaudible] >> she's the wealthiest woman in russia and had already given money to hunter biden and his business befe this a business meeting in may and subsequent to that committed to getting more money, is that accurate? so subsequent to the coordat the

vice president of the united states, the wealthiest commits to give millions of dollars more to hunter biden's busins,that a? >> that is accurate, yes. >> and this was a pull aside at this meeting and you know that it was coordinated. is this what they call access to the brand, access to theiden lift is that what you would describe it as? >> units followed the motto. >> it follows the statement that you all agreed to say it, regre. this was a phone call on a speaker there's no writing about this. it was way. that is how the business operated. is that correct?

>> yes. back. >> the chair recognizes >> i want to make an observation i've been on the committee investigating committee for over 20 years and as an attorney before that, i had sufficient training and experience to say that with high confidence that when you review the entire record of evidence of the hearings going back over the year, you've actually provided more evidence to impeach donald trump for the third time van so much as laying a glove on president biden. we keep hearing about the biden family. when you hear someone say the biden family, that translates into we had no evidence so we are going to use the biden family to try to implicate president biden. the shifting arguments here

you've done nothing more than exonerate president biden. we heard initially for months about the hunter biden laptop, and you know there were absolutely some embarrassing photos on that and some awful information about hunter biden's personal life, i will admit that. then you bring in your own witnesses and legal experts before the committee and have them testify. what they said is amazing. there's no evidence to even suggest that there was support for articles of impeachment against the president. that was your legal experts, tht said that. then we have statements mr. jordan saying that mr. smirnov was the most corroborating witnessed that the

republicans hand, the strongest witness they have and of course after that, we find out through the trump appointed prosecutor that all of the information provided was fabricated, false and submitted by the inducement of russian agent is going after president biden and trying to undermine our democratic system. now we come to a point where since that witness blew up, now we are going to prison, and we are reaching out to witnesses who have been convicted and sentenced to prison for stealing $80 million from the

innocent workers. we can't get any lower at this point. that's the star witness. i want to remind people he's sitting in prison. that's why he can't be here today. he's sitting in prison for scamming workers pensions. i mean,, how low can you get, then it's the republicans idea that this guy they can get to testify. this is the best they can get. you talked about your own direct involvement and said your mission was to dig up dirt on president biden. can you talk to us about the coordination between yourself and mr. giuliani? thank you for being here. >> thank you, congressman.

>> i was his right hand and basically the point person to not only dig up and validate and search whatever needs to be done to try to some corruption against joe or hunter bio be able to present. once i would receive whatever information i received i would then meet with him, john solon o discuss what we found. add to that point, he would then go to the white house and to share with the president and that was the line of communication. >> you said also in your testimony that members of the committee and the republican leadership should have known before smirnov was invited that this information was fabricated. can you talk about that? >> not that they should have known but they would have known what was going on.

it was anywhere from left and right field and being pushed straight to the halls without. >> my time is expired. >> before i recognize mr. palmer, i'd like to enter into the record the testimony with the committee on february 13, 2024. it corrects the record of representative garcia who did not provide your entire testimony. the understanding of who invited you, without objection i would like to enter into the record the entire transcribed interview of tony. >> i would like to enter for the record texts reveal more ties per key witness. >> daily beast. without objection. the chair recognizes mitch

palmer for five minutes. >> i have very limited time and i want to get through a lot of information so please answer the questions with yes or no if you don't mind. you've met joe biden, is that correct? >> correct. in fact you had a meeting is in that correct? one of those times was before the conference in los angeles in may of 2017 is that correct? you provided a great deal of documentations to the committee. i want to show you some messages between you and hunter biden on the screen here in may of 2017 before you first had a meeting with joe biden. these are messages between you and hunter biden do you recognize these? >> i do. >> at the bottom he wrote not in now until 11. let's me and then meet at ten at the beverly hilton where he's staying. this is president biden's brother, correct? >> correct. >> the next set of messages if u put them on the screen is

another business associate of hunter biden's and you, his name is james. do you recognize it? >> i do. >> he writes about to meet hunter, jim and joe at the beverly hilton hotel. joe is now president, joe biden? >> correct. >> this chat between jim biden, joe biden's brother, you write great to meet you and spend som. please thank joe over the time it was great to talk. you met with joe biden, hunter biden and jim biden the night 2? >> i did and he perjured himself by trying to deny that. >> that was at the beverly hilton, correct? >> correct. >> you can provide more details around that meaning what was the purpose of the meeting. >> i didn't ask for the meeting so i wish hunter biden was sitting next to me and could under oath describe it but the only reason why i was meeting with joe biden, and of the only

reason i was there is because i was the ceo of the enterprise that they were putting together with the cnese company cfc. >> can you give me a little more detail of what was discussed in the meeting? >> before joe biden showed up, hunter and jim biden coached me and asked to sort of outline we wouldn't go into a lot of details sohr minute meeting i had with joe biden about 10:40 p.m. after he flew across the country we talked about myhe families military background and different business ventures, the family i worked with, joe spent some of the tragedies they lived through and at a high level, hunter actually introduced me bd sat down with us, he said give me five to ten minutes i need to read my father in on it. when you are referencing joe and

hunter's father you are referencing joe biden? >> i am. >> of■0 these images, the messae you sent you spend more time with joe and jim this morning. it's correct it's president joe biden also saw them last night including hunter. these images show a pretty clear record in may of 2017. hunter biden during his transcribed interview testified the meeting did take place and during the trip he stated he met with him in the lobby of the hotel and when asked who attended self but when asked whether the meeting at the beverly hilton between joe biden, jim biden, hunter biden, jim testified absolutely not. the stories don't match up. mr. chairman, jim biden also told the committee that they didn't meet the chinese

mr. chairman, it appears to me that there are material inconsistencies between the testimony. the witnesses statement appeare. someone appears to be lying to the committee. the testimony seems to come from jim biden the president's brother. lying in congress is a serious offense. if anyone else has come before the committee and glided to the committee i strongly encourage the committee to pursue criminal referrals in the department of justice and one last thing i want to ask, have either of you heard for anyone involved or associated with were a partner to the family enterprise corruption investigation? >> i'm sorry. >> anyone being suggested that a pardon might be in order for

anyone associated? >> i've not. i yield back. >> a parliamentary inquiry. we have heard for months now the photo with the cracked screen, did the committee have in its possession the data for the phone for which he's allegedly taken these pictures? i think we need the data they keep referring to. we have the imageshat we have shared with you. i saw the picture but do we have the underlying text referred to by my mr. palmer? d he would be happy to turn over his phone. we have pictures of all the text message screenshots we provided with everyone on committee.

he is given obviously once he's selected i wonder whether we could get all of the texts and i would move the committee to subpoena the phone on which messages with hunter biden and the partners were saved. he stated that he's ready to provide so it should be rather simple. >> there's a motion to subpoena. >> with of the text referenced. the chair recognizes mr. jordan. there is a motion table. >> the motion to table is not debatable. tabling may signify by saying i. although supposed signify. in the opinion of the chair, the motion of the table --

>> what we are doing is tabling evidence you keep relying on so i'm going to ask for the recorded vote. a recorded vote is ordered. we will suspend for a■!■ moment. we don't have the clerk. will somebody go find the clerk? did he say under oath? >> mr. speaker? mr. minority leader, do you think it is possible the witness would voluntarily just give it? i understood that he volunteered when he was asked about this to simplify things if you would turn it over with a blackberry. >> he did very clearly say that he's happy to turn over the blackberry to the committee.

we asked britt of the deposition and asked the majority -- >> you are out of order. in suspension waiting for the clerk to come so we can take the vote that your side of the requested. >> mr. ranking member? i want to underscore the importance -- and sorry the gentlelady is out of order. you can talk with him back here if you want.

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16.■ your deposition you were asked about taking a picture of your phone and you said, and i quote, i still have that phone. i could put it on the table right here and every person in the room could look at that individual text and validate that it's a legitimate text and the date and time stamp on it. are you willing to provide the committee voluntarily with the blackberry referenced and the phone? >> i'm willing to sit in the room with both the chairman and the ranking member with my phone and other staff and we can go through each and every text message. i had a forensics expert love into my blackberry someone who's done extensive work for over ten years with an interest of pulling all the phone so i can provided to the committee. unfortunately, they were using software that the fbi us and they were unable to pull the data off the phone, so i'm more than willing to sit in the room

with the chairman and the ranking member and■6 with the blackberry fully charged and we can go through each and every message. >> that's some progress and i understand that but you understand i'm surey the committee wants to look at the evidence on its own. this is my time. you could understand why we would want to look at evidence while we can make our owninatio. but thank you for your willingness to cooperate at that level. you served back in 2023 and a letter you sent to the chairman that there were examples of giuliani interfering in ukrainian politics. why would a giuliani the interfering in another countries politics? >> humor to do whatever he needed for the purpose of

getting the information he wanted to secure for the 2020 election, so a prime example of one of the things he did he had a close relationship with vladimir who was then the mayor in ukraine when the new president came over there was rumors about staying in office in ukraine. they met with rudy giuliani meen spain that was relevant and had investigation into joann hunter biden at that meeting he also brought up the situation that basically told that president trump and of the american people would be very upset because we love him and he needs to be in their. >> so was he just doing this on his own because he was a patriotic american who loved

donald trump or how to somebody encouraged him to engage in this interference in another country? >> i think he was encouraged by donald trump. >> personally? that's your testimony? thank you. in your letter you also said that mr.as, quote, to deliver a precise message in very strict words. with respect to the administration, what did you understand a very strict message or very strictand what was thatt you delivered thought was in very strict words? >> yes, congressman. he told me not to be nice, to be very stern and we had a message that unless he had an investigation into the biden's,

this was on sunday, there would be no cooperation or aid and the vice president that was scheduled to appear for the inauguration would not appear to the inauguration. >> that would seem to corroborate that very famous and beautiful telephone conversation between president trump and zelenskyy basically saying that i need a favor aid until the favor was delivered. is that fair? >> absolutely. i was part of setting up that phone call. your testimony is important and under oath. thank you and i yield back. >> ms. taylor green from georgia for five minutes about his role in his families businesses. on f

a presidential debate and told the american people that his family didn't take any money from china. that was a lie. not only was it a lie, he knew it was a lie. he knew it because he met with his friend hunter biden chinese business associates. i want to talk about cfc which is the china energy fund committee. who is chairman he? >> the chairman. >> gym biden told the fbi and irs that he was the protégé of the leader of china and the chinese communist party. rob walker told the committee joe biden met the chairman. are you aware of that yesy" or ? >> i am now. i wasn't at the time. >> joe biden also met with you is that r

>> yes, twice. >> who was the director? >> the number two attive direct? >> the number two executive, but the point person i worked with and th6!ily worked with and the individual hunter biden was shaking down at the end of july, 2017 demanding that the $o hunter biden's account. >> thank you. i want to show you a text message that hunter biden sent to you and his other business associates. i'm holding it right here. i have an idea in light of the fact we are at an impasse of sorts and most employer and my ch think we should all meet in romania. he is speaking about my chairman. when hunter biden came in for

referring to the chairman and that the rest of the group referred to him as a different chairman. does this make any sense? >> that is a lie. i never heard in your reference and i directed communications with the director over we chat, met him in romania, met him in moscow, around the world trying to develop this business and chairman. first of all. the second of all, that makes absolutely no sense in the context of the message because we are discussing the holdings. >> so he wasn't the chairman, just to clarify. another text when he said his chairman, this is from wall rob walker. he said this to you when hunter was talking about his chairman,

he was talking about his dad. when rob walker came into give the transcribed interview to the committee, he basically said wh was high or confused or mad, and he said he was just trying to calm things down between you and hunter but that doesn't answer the question about who he's talking about. hunter biden lied to the committee. so, here clearly he says he's talking about his dad. i want to be clear we have established that he's not the chairman obviously, is correct? >> correct. let me show you another message. this message doesn't call him the chairman, does it? it says the chinese want to do business with of the biden's as a matter of fact both coming to be my partner, to be the bidensd the number one has made it clear

and available. who is the number one? the number one, the president of china, yes or no. the leader of the communist party, the ccp, is the number one? >> that is the number one hunter was referencing in that message. >> let's be very clear this was in 2017, but i would like to ke it knowr the committee joe biden told the press in 2016 as a matter of fact, i quote, yes, i am, i'm going to run in f the united states in 2020. so here is the bidens doing business in china when everybody knows he was planning to be president of the united states. do you see that to be a serious problem?

>> i wish the committee would thoroughly investigate it and talk about the evidence that they have on cfc. they have fisa warrants so they were including and i wish they would disclose that to the committee. >> thank you. i yield. >> the chair recognizes mr. krishnamurthy. >> rudy giuliani tasked you with a mission to travel to find dirt to damage the biden's reputation and the 2018 and 2019 timeframe. this was on the effort toe trumps reelection. evidence of wrongdoing or criminality? in your travels you found precisely zero proof of the criminality, right? it true your

dirt around the world in the same way joe biden in particular all failed the evidence of criminal wrongdoing? not only that but the former ukrainian president stated there's not a single word of truth to the allegations about joe biden, right? >> yes. >> now there is auy that's the former prosecutor general of ukraine and he also confirmed that nothing ties the bidens to criminal activity in ukraine, right? >> correct. >> and there's another prosecutor general who also said he had no evidence that either joe or hunter biden interfered with ukrainian law and the reason you know this is because you talked to each of these people. and your job was to try to dig up dirt and manufacture but

we've conducted months of hearings and because there's no evidence ofdoing, you called this whole inquiry a wild goose chase. interestingly, we've heard from the other side of that the real quid pro quo wasn't donald trump. it was joe biden when he tried to he was vice president in exchange for firing the prosecutor in ukraine that was investigated and the corruption from his son. now again you looked for evidence to support this claim. there is no evidence, correct? >> firing the prosecutor would make it more likely that they would go after the company less? >> the reason why the majority and ukraine and at the obama administration wanted to get rid of him isau he was

corrupt, not because he was investigating but he was stalling investigation looking into a $23 million they wanted to get out from and they stalled that investigation. >> the logic is just the op$ysi majority claims to be the case. namely that they say that somehow joe biden was held to to reduce the chances of a prosecution. but actually in firing the prosecutor, he increased the chances of prosecuting, right? >> so let me talk about what some of the other witnesses in■ said. the constitutional expert, the republicans brought forth said there's no evidence of which he was aware to support impeaching the president. you agree with that? >> 100%. a colleague of ours said last week have i seen anything that ischable, no i haven't.

do you agree with that statement as well? our republican colleague who is about to■ retire said that evidence of wrongdoing by president biden, quote, doesn't exist right now. it doesn't exist now and it didn't then. >> that's true. >> how many times have you met donald trump? >> well over ten times. i'd have to count, but lots of times. >> is there anything you would like to relate about the conversations with donald trump that would bear on the conduct ? >> donald trump was aware of everything going on that day in the red room when we were white house, after rudy bringing donald trump up to speed and then trump■+ approached me, said thank you for all you're doing, keep up the good work, patted me on the back, took pictures and e

to meet with lindsay graham. >> thank you so much. i yield back. >> mr. cloud from texas for five minutes. >> thank you, chairman. we have heard time after time he had no knowledge whatsoever about the business dealings and the change. he never allegedly had any conversation with hunter and they moved the ball to say he didn't have any business dealings. he wasn't involved in the financial contributions since then we've uncovered about 20 show companies and have bank records that bring light to that and while we can't cover all 20 in five minutes, i want to focus on one and that is rosemont. rosemont it is interesting, devon archer testified and said in his testimony he said that

this was used as a common entity on the handshake deal between devon and hunter splitting the chairs. that was your word. do you stay words? and devon archer, he said hunter was a corporate secretary and had a ownership deal is that correct? >> correct, yes. >> primarily the company was set up to initially place to hold equity on the harvest is that correct? it included money paid from the

$50 million. >> if this were illegally and id there's no propriety, it's concerning because it is set up to compete against america's energy interest at the behest of the ccp. then we had others from and we know about the salary providing no actual function. we had 1 million going through rosemont to hunter biden and meeting. there's the $300 at the end of the 142,000 that goes into this and then the next day went to a porsche dealership for a car for hunter biden.

what's interesting about all of this of course is that each of these not only fluid money through the companies to hunter biden them also involved important meetings with of course president biden. so we h with jonathan who was one of the members who started the harvest andted with. they were having trouble getting licensed to work because of course they had to give permission to that. until hunter flewr force with e president joe biden at the time. they met with jonathan lee, hunter introduced them. joe ended up writing a letter of recommendation to jonathan lee's daughter to get into college, and then we see that this relationship continues. of course in ukraine, we know that april 16, 2015, joe biden had dinner with the officials at

café milano, seemed to be a popular spot because joe biden also had dinner. all inflow to going here. and of course as pointed out several times, this all comes down to eventually the one big guy who big guy. we know this goes through to get to hunter and 10% went to the big guy. .. congressman outlined the big guy is clearly joe biden. the details of some of those that is excluding how they

operated. quickset is the pay answered. and mr. galanis use of the any propriety asset value or anything of the sort. his entire value was the brand, is that correct? how did you state that? >> we did rely on him for any product other than delivering the biden. >> of a question for you mr. galanis. did you offer to provide information on hunter biden and devon archer back in 2006 and tt happened there? >> yes. specifically on that. and also the same thing to the exchange commission. were told to quash that interest. i understood that to be in order

to determine i yield back. >> the chairman's time has expired. recognize mr. goldman for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i minutes mr. bobulinkski i'm going to try to move quickly i would appreciate if you answer the question. you testified joe biden was venture and hunter biden. i want to drill down on the crux of what your testimony is. the suit business venture you are referring to correct? >> i'm referring to what? >> any business you do with the biden's. >> might reference are the holdings llc owned 50% of that. >> rachel. a knight holding was a 50% that was on the americanide of that deal, right?

>> 50% the biden side of it. he's not an american. c enough. it was a joint partnership memorialized incorporating nd equal shares divided among five partners is that right? >> eight asking that what you are holding up? >> where there equal 20% shares among five partners? >> in a what? in the final sign a document is ■5that what you're asking? >> yes very. >> it is not complicated. >> you are filibustering now. you are filibustering, i get it. there were five partners, hunter biden, jim biden, rob walker, james gilley art and you. each own 20%. >> they did not each of the llc owned it. there's a material difference because you see joe biden llc relatedo joe biden on this? >> i don't know if joe biden

owned jim biden llc or hunter biden llc i will leave that up to the committee. >> do you agreement was entered into? >> the posterboard legal document that was signed? what's the agreement sir. >> the agreement was signed may 22, 2017. who is the vice preside then? >> may 22 you said? i think it was mike pence. >> when did you first meet hunter biden? >> it first met hunter biden early 2017. one and 2017? >> the day or month? >> the month is good too. >> i believe i briefly met him in new yk. the first meeting i had had exte time with him was early may 2017 brickwork cells from the same time you have the two meetings with the joe biden, right? what's prior to that. >> you have said insert comments

or can i please reclaim my time sir as i said we have to move quickly here. unfortunately in your testimony earlier today what if my one ofy colleagues asked you about that meeting at the bar at 45 minutes, 60 minutes you were also asked about that in your transcribed interview. and neither of your answers did you mention anyiscussion that you had at that meeting with joe biden about the chinese business venture. yet in grandiose terms here today you haveec joe biden was involved. and you have the mountains of irrefutable evidence to support it. so let's look at the mountains of irrefutable evidence. you provide the committee with a screenshot of a text message that is between james gilley art and you 2017. i don't know if you can see this. it is just you and james, right? you remember this text message i am sure products generally yes.

>> in it he writes you are right. let's get the company set up till families the high stakes and get joe involved. two days later he sent an e-maie suggested a division of the company and included a proposal "10% held by h f the big guy? you remember that, right? >> the infamous e-mail with the big guy, yes, i do. >> it in them and respond to that e-mail? >> yes they did numerous times. you're right. did respond to it. >> you're going to filibustering to replay my time it's running out. i will say no and responded to checks thank you for making my point they did not have to respond. they all they do the big guys witness.n peroxide reclaim i would like to get a little extra time mr. chairman i want

to read what mr. said to the wall street journal. i'd like to clear up any speculation for former vice president was involved with the 2017 discussions about our potential business structure. at any time of the former vice president for the activity in question never delivered project revenue you should print what joe biden involved that is why hunter biden. [inaudible] i the chairman's time is expired. thank you for being here today we appreciate the candor of your%m response which is reflective of the way you handle yourself in private testimony and deposition

thank you for speaking truthful to the american people today. i am going to ask about the china energy fund committee. are you familiar with that, sir? >> site m. >> is assigned multibillion dollar company like a fortune 500 company at one time? what is even bigger than that. if you go back and look at its financials in 2016 and 17 as one of the five largest private companies in china. >> exactly.s was a major, a majr operation. a lot of money and apparently i'm going to hold up a memo here. this is a chart from the sink and -- second bank memo. it shows the disbursement of almost $24 million for diamonds. you have a major chinese company a lot of company on diamonds and

apparently diamonds were used as a means of payment for the biden family. we know the biden's admitted having to diamonds. we suspect there are many, many more $23 million worth of diamonds. exchange of valuable assets to pay the biden's other than electronic transfers of money? are you aware of payments in diamonds? payments in payments in board memberships et cetera? >> in my generally aware of it?r biden's transcript multiple times.

jim biden and the transcript references to biden or to diamonds given to hunter biden. when he implies was in 2015 by an individual who he could not recall his name at the individual's name is scott o is a surrogate for cfc and apparently a second diamond at a meeting in miami. i really want to set the clock record clear i was not at that physical meeting. i was in miami but i was not at that physical meeting breed that is what i told the fbi in my interview projects are you aware mr. bobulinkski a pattern of a bribery of a bribe payments coming from the china energy fund committee? >> i appreciate that question wish everyone on this committee would read the 1200 pages of testimony. an eight day on the actual trial trial was going on that accused numerous executives of corruption, bribing,.

>> exactly brickwork soup political figures of africa. >> so so mr. bobulinkski for your perch within the biden family operations and their interactions with the major businesses in china they exchange millions of dollars are tracked through bank records, through suspicious activity reports a. two females, to communications this committee has documented. there is no debate. millions and millions of dollars flow into the biden family bank the existence of other forms of payment is fascinating. because diamonds are untraceable. we do not know how many diamonds the biden's received. >> we don't have for some it is been china 10 plus time, hong kong. hundreds of people working one

point i never got a dime. i got never got a dime. i shift quickly at gentleman named james. it's only when you are face to face as a response saying they should be p things. and then there is a response saying for real. mention joe being involved for prettily when you're face-to-face. i know that they are paranoid pick brexit up of the biden's operate not specifically the cfc you have galanis testifying and numerous other witnesses i'm getting a tremendous amount of evidence that outline these for the create layers of obstruction that's the reason robert walker was getting sent and millions of

dollars instead of hunter biden. those hunter directly. in plausible deniability. race mr. norton from d.c. for five minutes. appearingvoluntarily for this hg from alabama. i understand you are currently serving 189 month sentence in federal prison almost 16 years after being convicted of not one but two.one, not two, but three different schemes. schemes as te judge who presided of your criminal prosecution included in

here i quote one of the poorest native american in the country. as well as pension funds held for transit workers, longshoremen, housing authority, workershe city employees. hard working people every day people among others. the court also noted you personally benefited from these schemes and again i quote using over $8 million. almost 9 million for lavish personal expenditures jewelry, expenses, sign your own encounter with prosecutors.

exchange commission charge you in 2005 with accounting fraud in connection with your investments, your involvement rather with the penthouseand ind of attempted tax evasion were sentenced to five years probation in order to pay nearly $10 million in restitution. and noted you are and i quote an extremely extremely talented man. extremely gifted in his interpersonal skills uncommonly so. he is very persuasive.ool bag. and the people he ensnared

intelligence comes interpersonal skills, his charm if you will. this comment referred to as con artists. another judge who presided of your case referred to you as your republican colleagues are on to carry their water in this sham impeachment inquiry. after the last star witness the infamous fbi form 1023. this time he p an end thank

you very much for more than a year now leave here innuendo, propaganda, no facts, no evidence but several expert witnesses who came together that. nothing remotely approached the level of proof needed to support a finding of high crimes and misdemeanors. we come back again today the majority is to witnesses. the designated conman to charm d by two different courts. someone who deploys talent exploiting native american indian tribes and then a lot of

rhetoric and hot air but no facts of high crimes and misdemeanors impeachable offenses against the republic. the kinds of offenses james mattis said are great attacks on x> i like to remind the witness was partners with hunter biden. that is why he is. we have their partners they could have invited partners but you invited this guy per. >> donald trump's partner. mr. parnas per. >> a chair recognizes per.

>> in a variety things like to go through. but first mr. lynch compare complaint about testifying from prison so i would like to ask unanimous consent to enter the record department of justice own press release announcing the sentencing of democrats that led parnas to prison. >> the objection. thank you. now mr. chairman we had originally hoped we'd see if you want witnesses here today. they are not here. i'd like to run a brief dictate because i showed uod hoping i'll be asking these witnesses a little bit more about this tape. i know there is some mystery or some people feel it is still ambiguous as to how this prosecutor was fired in ukraine and at this tape goes a little bit more to shed light on why the prosecutor was fired and why we want hunter biden and mr. archer?

>> got ukraine. i remember going over convincing our that we should be providing out of the 12th or 13th time and i was supposed to announce there's not a billion-dollar loan guarantee. i'd gotten the commitment that they would take action against a the state prosecutor and they didn't. they said were not going to give the billion dollars. the president said i i'm telling you you're not getting a billion dollars. the prosecutors not fired and he

put in place someone. >> i just wanted to put that up there. i do eventually want further efforts made to get hunter biden mr. archer we have joe biden himself bragging■ they got rid f a prosecutor who would have provided his son's business dealings. with more observation. i'll put it that way. now mr. bobulinkski and previous interviews with this committee you said joe biden not only knew about the family business dealings but enabled them and participated with them. you went so far as to say it's clear to me joe biden was the brand sold by the biden family. could you elaborate why he felt that way? >> corrected. that's where the challenging things i've had to deal w over the last four years with the focus of simply telling the truth.

around these facts are just beyond insane. i'll use a meeting at the four seasons hotel in washington d.c. i was not at but apparently eight -- 10 chinese executives were at with the chairman and director. interacted with extensively. and james was in that room. rob walker, hunter biden my understanding based on rob walker's testimony is joe biden walked into that room. sat down, shook hands of people spent five or 10 talking about his family i guess. i was not in the room. like joe biden was walking in there to ask about the weather. robert walker said the chinese did not even know joe biden was a former vice president of the united states which is beyond absurd. the power at those 10 chinese individuals had to go back to mainland china and say they were in a room with joe biden is the

value of what they were giving. to give plausible deniability. >> i would just point to all the different text messages and communications they call him the big guy. i was not involved or mr. archer they're giving numerous data points they did not use his name you weren't supposed to talk about it. >> you personally met with the vice president. >> i did twice. did he say anything you wanted him to help us on that sort of thing? >> he thanked me for helping a son and his brother and asked me too keep an eye on them as i walked him out to his car after he gave his meeting. >> i just went to follow up this may be a big question but i'd like to know but one of the things that disturbs me about

that is the interaction with the chinese or that's were dealing with today that obviously other countries as well. that apparently in their own mind the way you deal with the united states is the way you deal with a corrupt city council or something. you give them money and you get what you want too. .do you want to comment on that or hear the stories about that? do you hear stories they were surprised at easy it was to buy the u.s. government? >> answer the question please feel free to answer the question. >> there is tremendous evidence believe they are bribing the biden family and they were doing at the hunter biden. >> those kind of s you. >> very good. the chair recognizes for five minutes. >> think it mr. chairman. can you tell me about your meetings why you,7>" believe the

trump campaign uses services? >> yes. i was sent to meet with demetri because he had a resources he is in oligarch in vienna waiting to be extradited to the united states he was very close with a vladimir putin lots of characters not part of the world. my objtive was to have him help us lean on them and get dirt on the biden's per. >> what type of dirt were you trying to get? >> was searching for hunter's hard drive we were told was out there. we were searching for bank records to validate certain bank records that were given to meete hunter's personal bank records. i was given to me he said he got from the fbi. to validate certain payments going for car purchases. that objective was to try to

find a link from any of the payments that were going to joe biden's accounts for. >> who told you to get this dirt? cooks who told me, rudy giuliani perfects anyone else that she remember? >> jon i meet everybody this part of the team for. >> to bill barton know you were involved in getting this dirt? absolutely. bill barr was notified of our investigation for the day took office but. >> did you have a conversation with a built bar being lenient towards demetri in his role as they personally did not i was a witness to victoria and joe having a conversation with bill barr. >> what did they say? >> basically they were telling him the chargers were false and he is to drop the charges and >> where they tell him to drop the charges on the russian oligarch? >> because demetri's going to help us getting dirt on t bidens or whatever else the

trump campaign needed for. >> my understanding issue of the trump campaign telling you to talk to russian oligarch to get dirt for political reasons. someone from the trump campaign was talking to drop the charges. because the foreign nationals helping to get dirt on the potable candidate. in the indicate willingness they came back and what you know if if bill barr told her to say that? >> any evidence of bill barr would have indicated to signal to demetri the charges to be dropped? >> only from conversations or rudy giuliani. >> what did they say about what bill barr said? works he basically told me this to be taken care of as long as

they played ball that's the message they relayed to me. >> they said bill barr was conveying that to them directly? >> yes after meetings there are several meetings there is a private meeting bumped into bill barr at the trump international hotel he is that is a moment to take him aside and speak to them. there are certain official meetings through officialria meh them. so it yes. >> you know if anything was done with the charges? >> to this day demetri's not here. >> do you believe bill barr should be investigated for his conduct and potentially dropping these charges? >> like absolute believe that. not only that i believe bill barr should investigate into the cover up and trying to silence me too get the truth out of what really happened in ukraine for. p what you believe should be investigated with you last minute? >> my arrest was set up strictly to shut me up to seal my documents, take away my

information and turn me into a crazy man that i have no way to prove what's going on. but the real story was bill barth was trying to save dp froe me as a scapegoat. when he did not realize his is hisdonald trump was not going to stop and continue doing what he want to do. that's why blew up and bill barr's face. he hired special counsel at the time to look into ukraine but we tried to reach out my attorney to, special counsel brady he never returned her phone calls. nobody wanted to hear anything i had to say that had to do with ra >> legitimate yield quester. >> thank you. i just want to say we dog a truu conducted yourself with great purpose and great dignity. i know your son is here with you today happy and the rest ofour family are proud of what you're doing for america you'll backbite. >> thank you. gerrit recognizes ms. o'donnell's in florida for five minutes per. >> thank you chairman. it is been an interesting hearing so far us get to the

actual paper trail of money flow from cfc into the bank account for president joe biden. i want to start they texted minutes is july 31 between hunter biden and one mr. is our part really quick who is mr. tsao? >> congressman i'd like to spend seconds. if you noticed congressman straight out of your very quickly. i am actually disgusted as i sit here he did the fact i'm sittinn front of the world trying to testify to the truth. october 2020 of messages on them and their produce on the democrats and the republicans sent to me saying you have always demonstrated to me you are nothing but it on u with the highest integrity individual i was begging for him to go on cnn and tell the world october 2020. i-mails with

congressman in 2021 and 2022 where i begged him and his staff to sit down with me and look democrats are so focused on to higher forensics experts and go through all of the factual information that i had. the fact he did not address me and it scurried out of here is disgusting to me. >> alright mr. donald i'll answer your question now. >> were going have to come off that now or three minutes 30 seconds. mr. chairman for the record i went to submit into the record text message one july 31 between hunter biden and mr. zahl which stipulates hunter biden was to be able to move on from get the contract resolved get the deal resolved and says see it is willing to cooperate with the family on august 31 there was another exchange. this time august 3 excuse me between hunter biden in this

message the stipulations of the arrangement between the biden family and cfc for the rmr. rma. >> without objections or to pay. >> e y the rubber meets the road. on august 3 they stipulate through what's app text messages the stipulations of the deal on august 4 $100,000 as a wired into a pc seat efc infrastructure mr. [cheering] to submit for the record a portion of the bank statement for the time. august 3 of stipulating a wonder to thousand dollars going from cfc into the bank account of hunter biden. >> 's objections ordered. >> on august 8, 4 days later $5 million is transferred from northern international capitol account $5 million to hudson

west the third point hudson was the third is a bank account controlled by hunter biden and kevin who is the cfc associate. that money comes in the northern international capitol a bank account a bank account tied to the cc pete mr. chairman adjustment for the record the bank statement demonstrating that transfer. >> objections order for. >> okay moving on. on august 8 the same time. there is a wire transfer form the thousand dollars to pc from the hudson west the third bank account. mr. chairman i of the transfer records and the bank account from the august time. i would just admit that for the record. >> wi>> this is where the fun sf comes innovative got a minute to get going get it done. on august 14 there is one or $50000 that is transferred which

is controlled by hunter biden to lyon hall group is controlled by james biden. i have the records are mr. chairman won a $50000 that has gone i want to submit that for the >> without objections or to pick cotton august 28 that we have a screenshot for everyone in the room. on august 28 we have the withdrawal tickets from lion hall group that is signed by biden hit was the wife of jim biden for $50000 to withdrawal . i went to submit the withdrawal receipt for the period. >> without objections ordered. >> on september 3 of the deposit reference into the biden account on the same day i went to submit that for the record. >> without objection so ordered progress last document septembes personal account there is a check written to joseph biden

junior the president of the united states today for $40000 signed loan repayment for a loan repayment by the way joe biden's own personal accountant mr. eric as no record for. going to submit that for the record mr. chairman fairplex of that objection sorta perplexes the members of the committee it's clear the source of this money came from cfc it is a company directly linked to the ccp and action of the chairman of the ccp eight chairman of the chinese, his party chairman looks very good. >> mr. chairman and got a request? >> go ahead but. >> white house the staff report of the minority side the unit in trump world tower. to determine one or 89 months in

prison ordering him to pay restitution of more than $80 billion for three criminal fraud conspiracies and other investors progress that objections order. the chair now recognizes for five minutes. if i were not here somewhere around the country watching. congre case 15 months hold these hearings on hunter biden and 15 months as you can see today as a result of that. this is a do-nothing congress. which we do the jobs which we are sent to do which is not to have investigation hearing after

investigation hearing over and over and over again and then to her favorite tvleive interviews after his weary sit here to get a job done. taxpayers are looking at all of us. meanwhile americans black, white, asian, latino native american and their families are wondering what is going on. is this another investigation hearing in the 15 months that has yielded nothing at all? it is the do-nothing congress but you thought harry truman said 1948, anyone can say it today but look at what we have done in 15 months. virtually nothing. nothing at all. senior citizens sit in their homes and watch c-span or some other outlet carried this forsi. all of them worried about losing the social security. they are on fixed incomes they expect congress to use it timeah things that affect them

directly. students are divulging on loans to colleges all over the country. no one wants to tkbout that. healthcare isn't adequate. most places in this country. disease are ravaging our communities and people assume that at some point the congress will do with that. and so whether it is cancer, cardiovascular disease, kidney disease, diabetes, hiv, stroke, the disparities in the health system say please, please give us a little bit of your time also when you are not done with hunter biden and when you can prove he's done anything wrong. crime is out of control. white collar as well as black color. assault weapons are still being used every day. the shooting kills innocent children and americans. we are sitting here talking about something we have talked about for 15 months with no substantial evidence. can get humanitarian aid to

palestine. cannot get military aid to the ukraine. children are looking and wondering what is going on. is that what politics are about? we are doing a disservice but i know i'm supposed to be asking questions and mr. parnas i may have one or two for you i'm so outraged at a do-nothing congress. just pointing the finger, pointing the finger over and over again and people are hurting. looking for real help. cannot do with immigration because donald trump calls up and kills immigration bill yet people say that's a major issue, is it? i have not seen the sort of attention we thought we were put into that or anything else. and so this particularç8 hearing will probably be followed by another hearing and another hearing and another hearing until this congress january of next year end we have not done the thing to move the

ball forward. except make accusations. life is too short. maybe some of you have a guarantee you're going to be around forever, but i don't. i came to this body first in 19. ronald reagan and the first bush and bill clinton and donald trump. and now joe biden. ■÷this congress is not doing anything. it's not like the previous congress, trust me. that is my people have such a low esteem of those of us on congressman so-and-so. people on the street don't buy that. they do not see the action. i am done i know i've exhausted my time. mr. parnas a couple quick questions and i what you go. is it your understanding rudy giuliani work for an individual identified by the company trump administration as a russian agent? >> yes. >> do you know what these russian light actors were trying to do quickly? >> pushed a conspiracy theory about the biden's brickwork said you know did you warn rudy

giuliani? >> yes, i did pick. >> what was his response to cinque lee? lexi told me -- mickey agreed with me but then proceeded to work with these people behind my back too. >> and these people been identified as russian agents? >> yes, sir. >> we have a meeting here of mr. i am disgusted, as most people are about this process. the only way we get to a point where we get things done as we learn to talk to one another across the aisle without having another conspiracy theory after another one after another one. you don't buy trust that way, you by contempt i yield back exive minutes. >> think you mr. chairman. i want to start off by saying i think most americans are taught at a very young age that you are who you surround yourself with. keep that in a premise as i sat

here and listen to everyone talk about how hunter biden is this golden boy. are we really supposed to believe hunter biden is the his associates are felons convicted of fraud. yet he is the golden child. i want to talk about examples of the biden's influence peddling scheme. this time it was it follows the same general pattern as we have seen with other countries like china, russia, ukraine and kazakhstan. here is the pattern it's really simple a corrupt foreign oligarch needs access to the u.s. government. hunter biden the oligarchs pay up let's just take a deeper dive into this romanian scheme.

businessman fromho is gabriel? romania probably worth hundreds of millions of dollars i would envision. >> is it true that he faced corruption charges in romania in 2015 kuester. >> it is. >> when you were in europe with the biden's to close deal with the chinese you separately negotiated to get a 17thit alsocorrect question. >> i did. but he did not want to pay him, is that correct? >> correct your talk at modest 17th payment that would go to rob walker robert walker would distribute to hunter biden. >> that is correct. it is because hunter biden failed in the work he was engaged to do. which was to get the corruption charges dismissed by theromania. isn't that correct? >> it is two things they failed to do that. but also joe biden had left the

white house at that point. >> okay i get 16 payments while is in the white house. >> correct spread. >> after joe biden leaves the white house coincidentally the payments stop. >> correct to pray. >> just want to make sure we can connect the dots very sip simply pick. >> obviously is not a coincidence. >> i am n which neither are the american people. but what do you think he wanted hunter biden to do? >> i don't have to think because gabriel told me personally he expected and did not want the details he expected hunter biden, robert walker and james to do whatever it was necessary to impact his case in romania. >> how do you know that? lex because he told me that. >> from his mouth?

>> yes. >> there is a another.we can connect with that be a conspiracy theory question. >> us on a conspiracy theory pricks okay thank you for it i would encourage you to interview gabriel. >> thank you. lastly, after claiming he wanted a public hearing, hunter biden decided to skip today. why do you think he skip the hearing today? >> is at a rhetorical or serious? i don't think you want to sit next to me because obvious i've emphatically stated he perjured himself and transcribed interview with the committee as did his uncle jim bided and for every fact he claims her wants to say i was high on drugs or i can show a document, a text message, a recording lying. >> tot lot at the facts get in the way of a good story, right? here are the facts are. >> highly disappointing is that you're that pig. >> i would agree, i would agree. here are the facts hunter biden was engaged by a foreign

principal. it is well-known hunter bike and met with the ambassador to romania in november of 2015. hunter biden was not registered. he stopped getting paid as soon as his father leaves office. until you got popovich to send hunter bite it one more paymentq seriously, what services was hunter biden providing to the romanian oligarchs for millions of dollars? we have yet to hear as the comms hunter biden was never registered under the foreign registration act. if the department of justice applied the same standard it did in the case hunter would be in more case than he is already in. mr. chairman there are real issues here that we need to continue to look at but with that i thank you for being here

and i think you mr. chairman. >>d job for the chair recognizes from new york. >> thank you mr. chair. mr. bobulinkski, i heard your opening statement, submitted to the record part of our proceedings. i have a quick question, simple. is that your testimony today that you personally witnessed president joe biden commit a crime? >> i believe the fact he was sitting with putting together. >> a jew witnessed the president commit a crime customer is it your testimony today? >> yes. >> what crime have you witnessed? >> how much time to have to go through? >> it's simple you name the crime did you watch them steal something question. >> corruptions statutes rico. >> what is the crime sir?

specifically. >> you asked me too ask the question to answer the question. ricoh you're obviously not family with corruptions statutes for a quick sixers excuse me sir. excuse me sir. excuse me sir. ricoh is not a crime it is a category. >> the category of crime you are then charged with the. >> you have charges. sir please name. >> the statute under ricoh customer gets funny in t is not here. >> i reclaim my time. i reclaim my time but i reclaim my time. thank you i reclaim my time.clee today is a continuation of the 15 month saga of the republican majority lost in the desert. impeachment 101. the majority party or whoever is raising impeachment must accuse the president of a high crime a

specific high crime or misdemeanor i would like to submit for the record h rez 9.8 the house resolution to open this impeachment inquiry perfect without objections to order. >> this does not outline a high crime or misdemeanor it is not here. when we compare the opening from the previous opening he's talking about ukraine. a blockbuster piece of information in a classified skiff room. inside that room alleging president biden extremely furious. what happened? what happened a month mr. chairman? that document the fbi arrested the person a person who offered the allegation for falsifying

his testimony to the fbi. the entire impeachment inquiry is based on an actual, approvable, individual who has lied. responsible leadership with withdraw an inquiry based othat. withdraw. instead, what we are seeing is this committee was warned long before that or invite trump secretary of state mike pompeo get they proceeded anyway the chairman proceeded anyway. this committee was warned by rudy giuliani after that document about the fal this. then held hearings her own expert witnesses said there's no grounds for impeachment and free proceeded anyway. finally, as if none of this was enough the fbi arrested the

individual who was the source of the entire to quote the chairman part of the manner to launch this impeachment inquiry and proceeded anyway. at this point the story is not the fact the basis of this impeachment inquiry is wrong. the story is what its proceeding anyway. why is this committee false cha? by the way no charges i have yet to hear in the chairman's opening the allegation they are specifically charging the president of the united states with. i am hearing about biden family. i'm hearing about this and that. i am not hearing the specific allegation by this committee. what is it? it is not here and that is the

problem. this committee knew their work with falsified evidence. that is the story. with that i yield back and fix potential it yields back the chair recognizes ms. mays from south carolina for five minutes for. >> thank you mr. chart march 4, 25 for joe biden stated he did not interact with hunter or jim bided business associates. i like to ask you know's consent to enter to be record your post article biden insist he did noth interact by. >> objections order. >> were going to go faster strictly yes or no questions. on that note the "new york post" article joe biden also said read the record of every single witness. so i did. i first read devon archer's deposition he interact with joe biden by donna read the transcript of burgess, kevin morse, tony bobulinkski and jason. in every single one of them interacted with joe that's just the people we interviewed. my first questions are for you. that hunter biden call joe biden on the line on may 4, 2014 yes

or no? >> yes for. >> and that called it hunter biden stay on this call with joe biden that everything is good we are moving forward? >> yes he did pick. >> okay on the same call to joe bided in the call was saying okay then you begin to my boy? >> yes he said that is well requested agreed to put $20 million into one of hunter biden's business projects days later sent to this phone call? >> yes. >> it hunter biden ever take a call from joe biden in new york? >> that is right. >> it hunter biden ever take a call from joe biden while dependence of our new york? >> yes he did pay. >> during this call that hunter might update joe biden on progress in landing a business partnership harvest fund management? >> yes but. >> was harvest a three billion-dollar chinese financial services company closely tied to the chinese commons party? >> yes it was very. >> is hunter biden involved with

harvest? two ways. >> yes or no. [inaudible] brick hunter biden involved no? >> yes. as part of the deal to hunter biden with the company to deliver board seat prejudged biden? >> yes by. >> okay did henry the chinese businessman one assurances joe biden would join the board yes or no? >> yes he did. >> okay. and an e-mail as well. >> okay thank you printed hunter bided drafted e-mail stating please offer the conversation about a board seat for certain relation of mine. then a golf without relation earlier this week we discussed is very id again. as always been very keen on the opportunity. here is a photo of joe biden and devon archer and hunter biden golfing days before the alleged e-mail draft. do you believe a certain relation of mine refers to joe biden? >> consider that there's any question.

>> 's scenes in that picture but. >> did you ever meet with devon archer were hunter took calls for his father? >> yes we. >> are one of these phone calls that hunter by until joe bided date needed help getting quote getting across the finish line? >> yes that is correct for. >> okay if you recall receiving an e-mail the possible giving 10% ownership to joe biden threat to biden? >> yes but. >> my last questions are for both of you very quickly. mr. bobulinkski and mr. galanis you both stated to told not to use joe biden's name is communications, correct? >> yes it. >> yes a progressive joe biden participated: phone conversations may hunter biden's business associates and foreign interest yes or no? mr. bobulinkski. >> yes he clearly deborah. >> yes or no. >> yes. >> hunter biden's deposition he said he did not involve his father in his business and hunter biden lie under oath yes or no? mr. bobulinkski quest for. >> yes. said "that's what he sa"

yes. >> okay as joe biden lying when he says he did not enter their business partner support interest yes or no? x yes. mr. galanis? >> yes. >> and debate october 22, 2020 joe biden denied hunter biden made money from china hunter biden's a business associates port it is a good buddy from chinese businesses and business partners and or interest yes or no? mr. bobulinkski? >> i am sorry. >> it hunter bided make money from chinese. >> that hunter biden make money from chinese business interest yes or no? >> yes. yes. >> trip biden has repeatedly claimed he was not involved and hunter biden, jim biden into their business deal today art witnesses have proved otherwise. today we establish a biden lied about interactive hunter biden's about interactive hunter biden's be biden is the closer

for hunter biden, jim biden and their business associates and foreign interests. good luck to the left of per the otherwise but thank you you back. >> attention when it yields back the chair recognize mr. porter from california. >> the title of hearing is influence peddling. examining joe bidic office. the impeachment inquiry is dead. if it was on life support mike coley aoc just killed it. there is no allegation of a specific crime. president biden did not do anything wrong gives you evidence ofhat and still both democrats and republicans and the immediate treat these hearings like the super bowl. but no one ever wins and americans always lose. i've got a fresh direction for this hearing. all we have to do is cross off the part after the colon.

there, just influence peddling. we should have a policy discussion how to stop from using their positions to get money or favors that is a real hearing one that nearly every american regardless of party once us to hold. we can start by talking about how senior executive service wait just one year to legally become lobbyists for big corporations. employers profitablegovernment e regulations. they can even be paid by the big corporations during that short one year. while they are waiting to become lobbyists as a down payment for their future abi influence. that is wrong. for the panel of witnesses, by show of hands out americans what

our witnesses support excitedly when you're waiting. two years? >> there we go. republicans, democrats even convicted criminals. everybody supports we should do more to stop influence peddling. it's a government reform americans of all political stripes support and i should know. in 2022 i pass an exact reform as an amendment to the national defense authorization act with a bipartisan majority vote. what happened to that amendment? why didn't become law? the answer is simple. nearly 500 former members of congress work for lobbying firms. to any people around you and to follow their footsteps. and don't want to make it hard for government officials to be lobbyists. ultimately let's the mma get

stripped i offered up the amendment again republican leadership under then speaker kevin mccarthy never put the amendment up for a vote. other and address the real problem but the american people e that the rules that prevent corruption our way to week. to stop politicians on both sides of the aisledling the community should be working

together in a bipartisan way to change the culture of congress to crack down on peddling and just as let me give you some facts. 495 former members of congress work for lobbying firms s take corporate pack money. seventy-eight members of congress violated the stop act last congress. clearly we have our work cut out for us so let's start the conversation today on what a bipartisan refor=ms ethic packae could look like. the organizations that could have come today as witnesses so we could have had a productiveor notebooks ready? the responsibility common cause, project on government oversight, public citizen, with the right

witnesses and commitment to doing with the american people want. of the committee can have■$ a rl conversation about the problem of influenced peddling and we can pass legislation to create a badly needed ethics guardrails. that would be real work. not a circus. i yield back. >> before recognize, i think you are sincere and i look forward to working with you on that legislation. can we take a five minute break for the bathroom? >> let us get one more and the we will do that. the chair recognizes mr. timmons for five minutes and then we will take a break because we have boats coming up anyway. >> ae to the biden concocted to sell the biden brand almost $30 million for various numbers the scheme was repeated with romania, russia and ukraine.

i'm going to spend my time on one instance involving burisma. the to bribery for extortion under the 18 usc section 1951 and if y thk up senator menendez in his wife's indictment. let's start with!x this. i've got an e-mail here from the secretary of burisma and he's advoca h intervened with with officials to facilitate communications expressing their positive opinion of the president of burisma to the prosecutor general with the ultimate purpose to close down any cases.

this is dated november 2nd. keep in mind they are being investigated by the inspector general of ukraine and he needs help so here we've got bank records galore of hunter biden receiving prior to this e-il over a million dollars after the e-mail, $2 million and you will find out so againhe $3 million. next, what happens? this is great 11 days later we have the u.s. embassy announcing the vice president is traveling on december 7th. interesting. vice president biden travels to the country. here we have a great photo of him touching down. so vice president biden leverages the policy to achieve

a favorable outcome. we've all seen the video he brags about leveraging u.s. foreign loan guarantees to get the ukrainian government to fire victor to end of the investigation. we've got the e-mail saying that we need to leverage you who haven't provided value for your million dollars in service,■nmwn leverages the u.s. implements and withholds the guarantees to fire so if that is not e we've got the victory lap, and e-mail a few months later saying less than a year. so this is straightforward. pay to play. paid $3 million at the lowest point in his life he testified in the deposition that he was drug addicted and that he's never been to ukraine yet he's paid $3 million to get his father to go to solve his

clients problem. does this sound like the scheme you have seen the biden family do? >> i wasn't involved in ukraine but the facts surrodi very simi. >> this is the thing. if hunter biden were here, we would be able to ask some questions, but he is not. what's interesting is yesterday, the federal prison in miami for four months for not showing up in front of the january 6 committee and i want to point out to everybody the committee was defective under house rules, procedurally because the minority leader did not get to appoint members to the committee. the united states house of representatives oversight and accountability committee is a procedurally perfect committee and we have authority to subpoena hunter biden and he has

to show up. he has to answer these questions and tell the world that his father didn't leverage the foreign policy so he would get $3 million. this is no different. and of the american people are not buying this nonsense. we have to restore, we institutions and we have to stop this ridiculous where the department of justice persecutes president trump and hides hunter biden behind every corner. this is not the united states of america that the american people deserve and we have to get our country back on track and with that i will yield. >> did the committee subpoena hunter biden today? >> the chair recognizes pursuant to the order at the request of the minority witnessed the chair declares the committee in recess for ten minutes, then we will

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