the, the business, the, the news advocate coming up on the program is up to south africans and the whites only rules who failed. the victims of a policy meets the movements out of the ladies protesting against being shut out of the countries through the reconciliation process. d n. c. government says they should em, demonstration and go home. also coming out in the democratic republic of congo is the end of an era as the you enforcement of school pulls out to who protects the people now and cannot lead swear in crushing form either london mouth

or not just one or 2 victories on terrorist of church or smashed the wealth records . snatching this from her own mental th, i, eddie mike of junior. and you are welcome to the program 30 years ago. so it has started the falls out africans. the countries fast, the democratic elections brought an end to apartheid and decades of violent races, twice minority who sought after as far as governments and led by nelson mondale. i chose to press you forgiveness over persecution, introduced the truth and reconciliation commission preparatory tests and victims of violence and human rights abuses, could give testimony and request amnesty from both criminal and civil prosecution. but till today, thousands in south africa still few let down. some of them elderly citizens who

often forth apartheid demanding reparations for the crimes. the suffered ass down hole ca, reports from john his back as the what they say is apply to justice on the steps to so that if it has to institutional members of the movement for spent the last 5 months tempting here under strips, they say many victims of a particular crimes, a being rude, even though the government has a fund with a $100000000.00 us dollars for reparations. number actually up with nazis, the groups leader and says many of the members missed out on the truth and reconciliation process. i feel is down and i feel that the government is looked doing and it just is not all new to me to use in

a what a victim in south africa by not allowing the by not even creating that platform because i feel like it's a pie one is a healing is a healing, is assist you to speak out, to be listened at, at, at the same time, to be at least the last. when i say say she was beaten by a party police while working as an activist, back perhaps the most painful school is the loss of her brother. she sees you was murdered by the army. 1993. during the vigil for liberation. active as to chris hon . took about a week look no we way use with about these boards until i had to go to the government which went into miss the way i found it. pecked off a copse, the dead bodies with pick like a like a bags of cement on top of in order to get to know hughes body. i have to ask

also the person was we can good. can you help me because i feel like my pride that you may be among those when i see these days wasn't able to investigate the system organization, the cool money support group has a 150000 statements from people who list out during the t or c, process improve statements, it says the government should consider that has been, it says many victims would not comfortable to speak out so soon off to apply to it . while others didn't have the means, the states and either an honest with the way the to i see statement take is, would be, i mean, it was turned back if you even heard of it. and then also because people had basically really destitute already at that time. they didn't have money to take texas to go to the statement to you cuz there's really some of the very practical

programs we have documented this. oh, for the department of justice because we think it's completely unjustified to disclose the tools when all this work has been documented and, and the floors are actually on the side of the state. you know, despite the research and despite the government sees, it's too late to reopen the case when it comes to the people that are currently living outside the constitutional court. are you saying that they should simply go home? yes, they can go and we're the one with that. but the, there's no need for them to to be that out in the quote on this thing. because our so there is nothing that we can do. the payment history has the list is closed, the positions are done through the process of public and it will be a lot of people as to, to open the list. this of everything government sees it will use the reparation

fund for housing, education, and health key for the 21000 people on the current list. members of the victims group say the only thing stopping the government from putting more people on that list. even lack of political will off to decades of writing niches in lobby. they hope the physical presence at the heart of the justice system might shame the government into action. joining me now is yasmin suca for much truth and reconciliation commission. hello, and welcome to the program of them with so many victims of apartheid not being had and still waiting for compensation that the t l. c fail. you know, i think the ti i see with a huge success and that is set to meet, but she was, it was meant to do in terms of the legislation. i think the failure to do with what we call the unfinished business of the truth commission. must last squarely at the

fees all the stage and also the national prosecutorial authority because, you know, it has always understood that if people did not apply for amnesty, which was conditional or if they failed to get honesty, been a little follow its course. and so in 1998, when the commission completed these hearings, it hadn't been a list of more than 300 cases, to the national prosecutorial authority. and of course, seem to speed it up. i would say 26 years. less than 20. are seeing the lights of day and that is why i think be looking at this question of what political interference the watch in dealing with these issues. right sir, you seem to be pointing fingers at the government. so let me ask you, there's

a government says it's too late to reopen cases. is it really too late, or is it a lack of interest to compensate victims of a pop? i era crimes. i think it's the political will and you know, if these cases had been investigated and these, but the traitors had been put on trial 20 years ago. mean, of course i think you'd have seen more just as full victims. but because we discover the because of forcing the state to do its job back, in fact they had been political interference on the part of the state names about a modern, tall young really was switching place not seen based again, these cases not to prosecute these cases and that is why so many years later, i think the victims are really struggling for justice. i don't think it's ever to date, you know, to deal with these cases. and in fact,

if you look at between the cases which we have been pursuing on behalf of the victims, we have a number of successful inquiries. and right now we have at least 3 trials which are ongoing and the quotes. and i think this is the same as the many countries, including places like argentina and should a way prosecutions continue. many, many years data. i think the biggest problem, of course, is that you know, perpetrators of bossing on. and of course the families of victims on not young ira . and so this, i think creating watson in boss definitely did quite an impass. can you really helped me understand? why on e and c governments that was part of the liberation is somehow suppressing cases of victims. when you consider the bitches, but most of the victims that we're speaking all what people okay about the lives in

the struggles for the duration. it does seem rather strange. i mean, fact when one has us many amc stalwarts. one of the answers we've received is that, you know, if we prosecute, then they going to mon, private prosecutions, which i think really is a nonsense. but i think and more interesting response which i haven't received is that these are real still, that you know, many people who are informed as, as, as in most conflicts that they would be lost. and i think fact lives at the heart of why and, and the government didn't do with it. we had the cost of saying that if we want to get to the choose of why the investigations and prosecutions didn't happen, they need an independent commission of inquiry. water to have the 4 weeks to call

the former president in big as well. because if i didn't use the machine that tomorrow toria was put in place. right. so how often mistake can we be that the ongoing public activism and protest could force the government to address the issue, especially i had over elections? i think we have to activism both by the families of victims. and of course, you know, the foundation in human rights, which has been the primary civil society organizations, which is really push this question all justice will victims as a directions. and i think that we've been quite successful. but of course is a lot more work to do and we'll get to have to continue with that struggle. i think the saddest thing of course is that now we have the intergenerational issue. we

need the children who are very young at the time. the family man, this was killed, went off, taking off the bison, and you know that, that he's a told him that he's being bossed onto the children as well. right? um, let me get your thoughts on this quickly before you go. that's still so many victims of apartheid still waiting for some form of reparation. what's your recommendation? what would you like to see down today to address this? we say that in fact, you know, on the question of reservations, base full money that he's missed in the prison spot and you know, the community that the rations was never really paid off. and we believe that the government really needs to look at this issue again. and what is going to look at is what kind of criteria we can put in place to at least compensate the victims that are still alive. and the family members were needed. i mean, the case of prosecutions. we said, send up

a special court setup. a quote was sitting judges was only job is, is to deal with these cases and set up a team of special prosecutors for the voted to only dealing with these cases. i mean that way we can move these issues forward. right. yasmine suca form. i choose and reconciliation commission. ok. thank you very much for your time. i. thank you . let's now go to the democratic republic of congo, where the un peacekeeping mission, when new school is leaving after 25 years. the pots are requested by the congolese authorities steps worrying some people, especially in remote areas like the high plateau, a south cable, where in security passes, use powell low as the report from eastern d. c. it looks like the commodities armies have filed the season and there's

a fight with one of the many groups. so bearing thinking says cable but this is an exhaust size. the name was again from pakistani. please keep pearls before the app to continue to hold around that a 3rd to show us my man are learning from a new sco alimony school and we're preparing from a news goes departure and i put in the budget. i'm so we're learning what we'll have to do after they leave it. i think it depends on what they've read through many basic techniques together. and by the end of april, the 120 basically for us, we'll leave them asians. if you guys are, if we can get to the computer, it's mandy terry. like what was the repeat, the sign includes accusation and so on by the payments up. so just said i read, but the departing team, c's, and they do, we are getting the, if you're already seen troops, we've been conducting that training for about 15 days. now. we have bring them in

the basic one bedroom, basic uh for uh, a normal safety precautions indeed, or turn link handling with the locals. and they are already, since they have the locals. and if you already see it blows their locals and they are better than most and with the local customs and traditions, says it's a people living in this camp pulls up by just any contingent has been you have to protect since 2020. now some 2500 to year is it for the kids or coming that conflict which found up again, you wouldn't you 19, which for as violence between differential cause i'm groups. so then i've been forced from that homes and mainly in the camp i'll scab just use a piece keeper of defaults. minnesota fema, visually. we are very sorry. what was that? what we're sorry to see my new sco leave for about, but if you need to see, because we're worried that in security will return little they thought of the safety is up. we fled here even though the congolese military was in our village

and i found quite a lot, so we have no assurance that they will be able to protect us. like i'm a nurse. go did a bundle with dish. so drills are leaving. these relates to the chevy for base, for the no one who is going is living can go because the government ask them to go . so you can use that schifflet's or these by to more than 20 euro things the country. so you and so deal. so it'd be gone from south cable by the end of april, and from the rest of the country by the end of the year, or some on this, let's bring in the pilot laws at e. w. correspondence in the democratic republic of congo. hello, paul. i called in to the withdrawal plan, my new school will transfer all of its basis to come release authorities and security forces about how prepared are they to take over. yes, indeed, according to these transition problems which has been approved by companies october to like november, also bases and overall to community security policies. which means that police will

take over mainly in your bank areas and city centrals. why is the company's army corps of pharmacy will be posted in a remote place? these we good presents, such as me think a while i was. so i don't want to predict anything on whether the communities of the capacity to own those of the protection of those bases and those tvs will leave there. we know that companies, i mean, so for us from amazon months and the lack of material, but to tell the truth on my way back for me, king k, i stopped by is a city of come on your law. well, the 1st one is go based, west prince fell to the police and let's february what i found is enough to place and i'm not going to so, so who knows the area, police man inside the don't receive any surprise of food as things one is collapsed it was at least the case a week ago. uh huh. that's a has interesting doesn't sound like uh, a team ready to take over about. well, whenever i know how things go from here, also, what was interesting from your report was that some people are concerned about

their withdrawal of new school. give us a sense of how much supports that is for them when new school withdrawal. yes, you're in use, don't come go. we've got to do so. difference between people living and city centrals, such as grandma, where i stand now. and we might say we as if you name and cheese that you've heard him. yeah. and those are people i've talked to were afraid and said, well, you don't see as good spoke again, but still still, steve was pretty quiet tubs of my months though up nothing need to be present. for instance, a really valued on config is to going on, tends on sales, done. so people to prepare different, different moves go basically if and when is good. tell peter is i really concerned to leave this place even though local authorities, as sure many policemen out to, they being trained and they'll be able to fulfill the victim. so here's the thing. after more than 20 years of windows school security in the d l. c. buick, criticized by many right. what main issues that people have against them as well

before monday was call you uh monday which uh peacekeeping. nissan settled back in 1999. any changes to one east coast diabetes. a showing of the country was uh to the monday, but congress told me to change these updates extra, and of course the blue inmates can protect people, but the conflicts in different are we as well when you school was just kept going and nothing was actually really stabilized, according to people who organize demonstrations. they were fed up to see trends, rules driving because i know needing a lot of money without any seeing any change. this isn't the least what i've been told. right, so people don't go go to waltz and waltz on teams and 23 and we've been group adults by rhonda rebuilding from as she's elaine 2021 after being defeated in 2013 by the monday school. but this time be to k to add of the new school. it was this, this was she said that the security council, which decided companies to printed unfinished certificate need to ags are withdrawal. so your social security forces on the ground has not stopped the

conflict between especially the m. 23 rebel group and can release forces. this has led to international calls for a diploma. i think solution about how realistic is it'd be to magic solution. like i need to do a little introduction because the situation or run goodnight is getting worse and worse, hundreds of thousands of people are ref, pulse their homes, and know, leaving cams around the city, close to a 1000000 people around like 20 displaced within so city which is today surrounded by the $23.00, many forces up and i'm talking about community service mess. and i raised following for us here. and i'm groups will kind of fall together, showing the president decided it decided to, to fight towards on talk study. the only way to a panel discussion today would be for you to run that for the done or tell me to re coordinate those supports of em twenties for fighters. and so it presents upfront that different for us is income, go and then to a verbal of some of the company's thoughts. but as long as we will deny it,

it looks like the situation will be just frozen me clearly a lot still to be. so that's about how allow us to daddy w correspondence in the democratic republic of congo. thank you. are now east africa. not leads, way in dominance form of the 44 london bar, then erased out so not just one by 2 canyon victories. and then women's tournaments, the reading and, and then big chunk. do you on a pettus church or secure victory? well, smashing the world's record at time of 2 hours. 16 minutes and 16 seconds, wiping out the woman's only costs records set by kenya's mary chi tawny. in 2017, i signed up with you. so when you all made it a kenyan double with his victory in the men's race, y'all, trail dates, you'll count long distance legend, cannon, east of the canada, through the streets of london. only to pull ahead in the final kilometers and take the advanced race and church of passe eyes set going on. i'll double in paris,

take it as i know this, this was not easy. it was wendy. and this, i know the ladies was wrong. so i told myself, let me wait. yeah. and deal with the last 2 minutes. i'm feeling good. this is the last, at least. okay. no tools that makes seem for them. so i was trying to pick a hub. i them, but i know know of the air from i think it's 5 years. yeah. and michael league little id id with you from. do you know useful? it's joins us here in the studio. had a lot of nice to have you here just central taking a world record from another canyon woman, mary. k. tiny. it's like, well record really for them. what's the secrets of the success? opinions a tradition of math on runners and parents jump teacher taking this record. i mean just plays into the game because she moved up to mug cataneo

when she was a teenager and was a, i don't have a mental and i was just taking the record from my is just continues like right on his hand in the bunch on over but also just nothing new to the game. she was told she only begins milestone wrangle and meadow when a new mouse on with both the mouse and when she's now turned to pause you one uh the mos on last year to go this year. so it's progress or high and she could be a new force, another forced to do an empty games this year. so i was like all she does is wayne wayne window motto, and by this not just the women team went in the men also enjoyed success. tell us more, alexander, i'm when you all can. yeah. defeated. uh you see what the on good can is i'd be too late to complete the math and also uh for when you know, you did get the title to he's rich friend kelvin, keep to the guy who won the amount,

i lost your whole unfortunately the died in february this year, you know, so it's kenya and kenya again that over and over again. so this is just the legacy of running and can you as you john and going into during pick? yeah, we were expecting that kelvin. keep to him, was of them a world record holder? yeah. well go, come into the see and i really do christians, but he died. yeah. but his legacy lives on, you know, i guess it's fair to say kenya has a well, the record holder in having that's, that's done. so definitely to put it looking at the success being 12 to enjoyed by team kenya overall. does the olympic games coming up? what can we expect from jim king? i in indeed the frequency i think kenya has quality or budget truck, you know, every new raise. there's a new name coming up on you've called grids like

a control gets to in the in line for the olympics. so with jump to, to the defending, jumped the on the, in the, in the women's also. so you, you see, i think kenya still has it, but they'll be if you, if you're on the heels and gun the right, you know, and, but he makes an interest in the loop and games as you in paris. yeah. just to be clear, nigeria has no chance any of this. oh no nigeria will be competing only i think in the women's hurdles and the women's them john. uh, but i think we have cuz magic has the word record told and the women's organization is a thing afraid we say, yeah, we in terms of that, they hold onto it up right up until team gone out takes, you know, that's where it goes away from you guys where it says the noun, that my news, i haven't seen any gotten in run. i was the of that with your decision. that's right. i say you expect that when they got in and either in a tilting sports and since it was going to be a little button so much. thank you very much, but here's the jello will at the i do we found deed of useful. thank you very much

. thank you. and on that last note to me and the program, thanks for watching. see you next time, bye for now the

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