glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war and our victory, today in the program. russian military terror does not abate. several thermal and hydroelectric power stations were damaged. ukraine is asking partners for additional systems. idps strengthening of the power unit. zelenskyi introduced the new heads of the foreign intelligence service and the national security and defense council. what new tasks are assigned to these bodies? contrary to christian morality. ukrainian orthodox church distanced itself from the nazi ideology of russian peace. does this make the ukrainian branch of the russian orthodox church independent from moscow? we will talk about this and other things with our guests for the next hour. people's deputy of ukraine, former

head of the security service of ukraine valentin nalyvaichenko, political expert volodymyr tsibulek and journalist roban tsimbalyuk. in the second part of our program, which will start in exactly one hour, there will be a journalism club with the participation of my colleagues kateryna nekrecha and yanina sokolova. but before we start our big talk, i suggest watching a video of how ukrainian fighters repelled another assault attempt near novomykhaivka, the surviving occupiers. they tried to escape by burning the equipment. however, drone operators caught up with the runners and took aim at them. the video of the magical destruction was made public by the 79th separate assault tavri brigade. let's see.

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these calls call numbers are free of charge . i would like to introduce our first guest, this is valentyn nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the committee of the verkhovna rada on integration of ukraine with the european union, former head of the service security of ukraine. mr. valentin, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. valentine, over the last few. weeks we have been watching the russian occupiers strike the critical infrastructure of ukraine, in particular the energy facilities as a result of the current night attack on the ukrainian energy system, the energy infrastructure was damaged in the dnipropetrovsk, vinnytsia, ivano-frankivsk, lviv, cherkasy and chernivtsi regions, in some regions, as the prime minister of ukraine says denys shmyhal, applied emergency

shutdowns, what goal is putin pursuing and why is there no reaction from the world to these shellings, why is there no such reaction as to the terrorist attack in the suburbs of moscow? the goal is obvious, it has not changed in putin, with the beginning of full-scale aggression against us, and the return has happened in essence, a return to energy terror with the use of missiles, shahedis and all that. what the russian terrorist, the kremlin regime, putin and his armed forces have against our country, moreover, they are already filming and not even hiding it themselves, showing that in old soviet factories , old soviet multi-ton bombs are raised, i don't know what they are painted there, and they add a little, you know , tails, and among them they began to use multi-ton terrorist heavy bombs. against

the civilian population of ukraine, primarily against the frontline and frontline territories of ukraine. i think that the only thing that has changed is that it is russian. the russian aggressor, not having any success at the front, resorts to more and more severe forms of terrorizing the civilian population and ukraine as a whole, and the international serious analysts, and our partners from nato member countries, and i, as an expert, believe that it is the powerlessness and lack of results at the front, where the armed forces of ukraine, the armed forces of ukraine repel and beat the aggressor and beat them very painfully, especially . referring to the latest strikes on sevastopol and other such military facilities on the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea of ​​ukraine, i think that all this is the trigger, the, you know, the trigger, that once again putin gave the order to return to

energy terror with the use of multi-ton flying weapons from russia. or everything is done by the ukrainian authorities in order to initiate or attract the attention of the world. community to what putin is doing now, well , i mean, why is there no initiative to convene the un security council, since the destruction of the energy infrastructure in ukraine will certainly lead to a humanitarian disaster in the entire country, you are right serhiy, first of all it is necessary to clearly qualify and it is so in international law, that this is the use of such terrorist missiles, shahed and terrorist... multi-ton missiles against civilian infrastructure and civilians of ukrainians, these are crimes against humanity, war crimes against the civilian population, this is a real international crime, here there is not only and not so much a joke without the un , as much as i think a special

military tribunal is needed, why are our western partners dragging it out, i don’t really understand it is understandable, because from the first months of russian aggression we proposed and advocated and... we insist that such a special tribunal for war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by russians on the territory of ukraine should be set up and work in gas already, well, there are already warrants for the arrest of putin, his shoemaker, two russian commanders who just gave the order to their russian air force to use missiles against energy facilities of ukraine in 22-23. already in the 24th year, such a tribunal should finally operate and pass sentences not only on the war criminals themselves, but also confiscate russian assets, confiscate russian real estate, money and so on, in order to finance and transfer to ukraine more,

correctly, air defense, systems of air defense, i will decipher a little bit, which are needed now, because literally yesterday, the day before yesterday, we held such negotiations with our french partners. the head of the assembly and the heads of the committees of the french parliament were also here, just profile, profile. we are now clearly telling our partners in the anti-putin coalition. we need third generation patriot systems or similar air defense systems. why the third generation and why the patriot, because precisely such missiles and precisely the third generation have a warhead that independently, even when the radar guided it and the computer released it, it is the warhead itself. then it will not leave any russian missile in the air, even these zircons, which the russians boasted so much about, these warheads are capable of guiding them further in the air, targeting them, striking them, and striking them with what, for our telechi, perhaps it would be interesting that

these are 24 such tungsten rods that completely paralyze, destroy the rocket's wings, the rocket itself, and thus knock it off course or destroy it in the air. and so it was, and that is why they were successfully shot down over kyiv, including in the last week, two zerkons, the last of which was released by the aggressor from the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea, therefore such air defense systems and such third-generation systems with the possibility of targeting, and they, having results already in this war of russia against us, these systems showed that there are no unattainable for them, russian missiles, there is no hypersonic one. zirconium, onyst, dagger or any other terrorist weapons of russia, which they are not able to shoot down, everyone shoots down, but the time has come for our partners to give ukraine the same, the same systems, and they were needed yesterday in kharkiv,

the day before yesterday in odesa and in other specific cities, about which our general staff knows for sure, and you know what is also important, that our truly military specialists, i applaud them... know in which even old soviet missile mines, as they were on the territory of ukraine, including strategic ones, can and should be placed, hidden from destruction and... how to use this old, but still existing soviet infrastructure on our land for rockets, then it's rockets the truth was against the west, but now such infrastructure, such placement and such opportunities have been created, and we can and want to use them to protect ukraine, only in these opportunities, in these concrete and not only concrete, underground, including opportunities and storage, you can and should. to accommodate such air defense systems and missiles for them in order to stop the missile terrorism of the enemy, this is

the number one issue now for the survival of ukraine and our energy industry and our millions of cities throughout the territory. well, about additional air defense systems in an interview with the tv channel volodymyr zelensky also spoke to cbs news, he says that it is the additional air defense systems that will allow... to protect industrial centers and weaken putin. let's listen to what zelensky said. the weapon i told you about. 5-7 air defense systems, a patriot from the united states of america, will protect today's industry, industrial platforms in ukraine, so that we have jobs, schools, so that we have. the opportunity to work, and for children to go to school, and the sky will be unlocked, believe me, there will be steps

forward, and this will be a relaxation for him, weakening for him within the state, mr. valentyn, obviously this interview and what zelensky said, it is directed at the west, why does the west not hear ukraine and pleas about air defense, i don't think they don't, in fact, they do, and know, and we don't... i mean those deputies who, like me, work with our western partners, although i don't even go online enough, or they come to kyiv, but that's not what we're talking about now, they hear, but you have to understand , that, for example, those patriot air defense systems, only the third generation, i emphasize with such state-of-the-art capabilities, because we need to shoot down not just missiles, but russian ones, which are actually very large, very heavy, but at the same time , they are enough, you know, such ... fast, in addition, we need these systems, and, for example, those that there are patriot systems in

ukraine, they were handed over to us by germany, that is why i sometimes think it is very unfair to criticize germany too much, if it were not for germany , we would not have such modern systems, because at one time they had to be developed, installed, mastered and so on, so now the main issue, after all, is the unblocking of american aid in order for the american manufacturer of patriot systems. of the third and more advanced generations, this is the patriot anti-aircraft system, more of them were produced and supplied to ukraine, and moreover, we already need not only systems, but also radars, guidance systems, and the missiles themselves, that is, the same consumables that are available, believe me, very expensive, well, so that our tv viewers understand, one missile is 5-7 million dollars, depending on the guidance head and other characteristics, this is very... very not cheap weapons, but now the issue is not in the price, ukraine does not stand for the price, because

we have to protect our citizens and our cities, the issue now is the allocation of funding and timely ordering and very rhythmic production of additional systems, for example, poland negotiated under president duda about patrio systems for one billion 400 million 8 years ago in order to receive them only this year. this is a serious period of time, but we have to go in a different way, we need additional funding to appear after all voted for the congress to be signed by the president of the usa, and this funding should be directed to the already manufactured systems, so that those partners who could, not only germany, transfer them to ukraine, and i confirm the main thing is that we, we have the infrastructure where they can be placed , and odesa, kharkiv and others are the primary needs. city, in the same interview that the ukrainian president gave to the cbs news television company, he also mentioned

the possibility of negotiations with putin, this is probably not the first time in the last two years that the president, not even two, probably for a year and a half, when president zelenskyy has been talking about the fact that ukraine does not have to militarily liberate all the territories captured by russia, it is only necessary to go to the border of the 22nd year to push president putin to... we will not need to de-occupy all our territories exclusively by military means. sure, when he loses what he has captured, captured since the 22nd year, he will completely lose the confidence, even of those countries that still doubt whether to support ukraine or not, and he will also lose strength within his of the state, as soon as this happens, he will be ready for dialogue, he does not want any

dialogue, and when he is ready for dialogue, it will definitely be an international one... our conditions should be the liberation of our territories, the territorial integrity of ukraine. mr. valentin, how do you assess the possibility or impossibility of negotiations with putin and whether putin will ever be ready for dialogue at all, or has he simply already crossed the line beyond which, in fact, there is no such element of negotiation. it is necessary to understand that aggression is always a crossing of any... you know, borders and refusal of any negotiations, and it was putin and russia who did it on february 24 , 2022. therefore, here you know how to think about the past - this is buying tickets for a train that will never leave any platform, you need to think about now, about the here and now and about the present, and we have a different task than to support the armed forces of ukraine, to protect its sky and

anti-aircraft systems and rather get universal ones. destroyers, we should not forget about them, on the contrary, we need to speed up the 16th in the ukrainian sky, including to work what we are currently doing with the french and other partners, to get more of those systems that are not only anti-aircraft, but which will be able to destroy precisely the launch systems, the launch of such russian missiles, rockets and bombs from the territories of that occupied crimea, and from those territory donetsk and luhansk regions, from where these latter, especially fab modifications, are now being launched, 3,000 kabs, that is, this is a serious bomb, albeit a soviet one, but a serious bomb that poses a serious threat, poses a serious threat to of our armed forces, for our defenders, it means that these carriers must be destroyed in the sky, and

the carriers, well, this is not a fantasy, these are still old soviet tu-22s, well, tu-22s are, you know, any system. modern air defense systems destroy at a distance, and we need such systems, the armed forces of ukraine simply do not have enough of them, or almost do not have them, they are closer to the front line, so they should appear there. we are deciding now, and this is my main opinion, specific issues, the defense of ukraine, the destruction of aggressor terrorist missiles and bombs, and the preservation of our defenders as much as possible. question about sentence possibilities or loss. opportunities, these questions are more theoretical, well , i, for example, do not deal with them, so i think that discussing them is a waste of time. well, but look, another statement came from the mouth of the former federal chancellor of the federal republic of germany, gerhard schröder, who, by the way, was once involved in gazprom, he seems to have been the chairman of the supervisory board there, and

was related to gazprom, that he says he says that he could agree with putin about... he said this in an interview to the german agency dpa, that what he says, we have cooperated well for many years, he means with putin, maybe it can still help to find a solution at the negotiating table, i don't see any other way. france and germany should take the initiative in this matter. it is obvious that the war cannot end with the total defeat of any of the parties - said schroeder. what schroeder says obviously plays into the hands of vladimir putin, but on the other hand, i pay attention... to the terrorist essence of the regime headed by vladimir putin, or should talk about it, then we will come to an agreement with him, maybe he wants peace, but he is not understood, and we cannot let him lose, so we will come to an agreement with him, why does the world not talk about putin as the number one terrorist in the world, the first my comment about the words

or statements of mr. schroeder, everything is... much more serious, but also simple: putin introduced, prepared and will wage war as long as the world will allow him to earn on energy carriers. as long as they buy russian oil, as long as they buy other energy carriers from russia, putin has money for war, and he will use it to use for war, and shvidr knows it perfectly well. look now, as soon as the russian gazprom, remember, there was such a gas super-superpolist with huge revenues of billions, and what? europeans, our partners began to buy less russian gas and introduced sanctions a lot, and so on and so forth, and for a week, for a week, the russian gazprom now loses 5.6 rubles a week , does not earn, loses, acts, acts, so they should do the same and for oil, and believe me, then not just negotiations, then there will be a white

flag in moscow and they will ask for everything, only to buy something again, because in fact , putin's entire regime, like his terrorist army, relies on oil dollars and gas dollars, that is, on the fact that even large western countries still buy energy carriers. from the russian federation, and there is no need to look for some big conspiracy, war is always a war of resources, the only resource left in russia is trade in energy carriers in the world. thank you, mr. valentin, it was valentin nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine. friends, we work in live broadcast of the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on tv and on youtube. we are conducting a survey today. we ask you the following: are you satisfied with danilov's work as secretary of the national security and defense council? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your

personal opinion or special opinion, please write a comment under this video. if you watch us on tv, vote by phone number if you are satisfied with danilov's work as secretary of the national security council 0800-211-381, no 0800-211-382, all calls to... numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. volodymyr tsybulko, political analyst, people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation, will be in touch with us next. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. volodymyr, let's start with volodymyr zelenskyi's statement, which sounded in an interview with the cbs news channel, what the ukrainian president says to the ukrainian military. managed to restrain the offensive russian occupiers in the winter, at the same time he admitted that the armed forces of ukraine are not ready for a major russian offensive, which could take place either in may or june. what

does this statement by zelenskyi mean, and is this statement directed at the west or at the domestic consumer, in your opinion? well, surprisingly, this is a certain confession. in i would say, in the dysfunctionality of the authorities, because when the authorities begin to admit that they are not ready for their resistance to the enemy, it means that they are not working. let's see today, well, the other day the results of rahunkova's work were made public chambers of the ministry of defense, 60 billion hryvnias of non-targeted expenditures. this is evidence that the authorities are not finalizing. it is obvious that zelensky was counting on such a confession, still, well, to persuade the western partners

to take pity on his team, not to pressure the authorities on the subject of anti-corruption activity, but to silently help with weapons, unfortunately for the western partners, since they answer to their voters , transferring any... any resources to the authorities, which are not too eager to fight corruption, is a risky business, because sooner or later the voter will ask, and to whom do you give our money and resources? by the way, experts of the american institute for the study of war say that since the beginning of offensive operations in october 23, the russian army captured 505 km of the territory of ukraine, in particular, in the period from january 1 to march 28, 24, the troops captured almost 100 square km of territory more than in the last 3 months of the 23rd year. such

rates of progress may be related to a combination of a lack of equipment in ukraine and more favorable weather conditions, analysts note. well, it is clear that in this situation, there are a lot of questions for the congress of the united states of america and... the help that we have been waiting for four months, i.e. 61 billion dollars at stake, and actually the americans cannot decide to open this funding for us, the lack of this money, or this help, let's say this, not even money, what does it mean and how much does it affect the mood of the russians to go on the offensive in may, june this year. well, look, let's start with the resignation first of general zaluzhnyi, and then another 16 generals, isn't this an encouragement to the russians

in addition... that ukraine is weakening, serious problems have appeared in ukraine, and at the moment when there is a management rotation in the troops, it is precisely the time for an offensive, then, let's see, with the united states, this is a strange story in general, because , for example, more than 50%, even 60% of americans, supporters of both major american parties, support the struggle of ukraine, let's see, the latest poll shows that ukraine, americans call ukraine their second ally in the world in the event of an attack on the united states, they believe, that exactly ukraine will become next to by the united states, this means that the politicians in the white house, or rather not in the white house, in the congress are well aware of the sentiments of the americans

in support of ukraine, but when they... do not vote, and when they organize such maneuvers, not everything can be attributed only to pre-election struggle, they still show a certain, certain skepticism about the managerial qualities of the ukrainian authorities, did n't we watch how, before the new year , the verkhovna rada dispatched a campaign landing party to the united states, at the very moment when in the districts of american politicians... no there was, and, to be honest, the selection of characters who were supposed to convince american politicians that ukraine should be supported, he caused, well, some skepticism and surprise, therefore, not everything can be blamed, not all the blame can be blamed on the american a congress that is delaying aid, because along with... the delaying

of aid by the american congress, european countries have now increased aid to ukraine so much that here we should try not to deceive at least european partners, to work honestly, but when we look, for example, on the draft laws introduced by some representatives of the authorities, this causes simply, well, surprise, because these legislative initiatives. create an image of ukraine as somewhat of a, well, i would say too young democracy. mr. volodymyr, in fact, you mentioned zaluzhnyi, for the first time in the last month and a half, an interview given to the ukrainian media by syrskyi, general syrskyi in an interview with ukrinform, he spoke about the fact that 500,000

people who... were gathering to mobilize in 2024 that such a number of people are not needed, that he cannot name the exact figure, but he literally says the following, i quote: after reviewing our internal resources and clarifying the combat composition of the armed forces, this figure was significantly reduced, we expect that we will have enough people capable of defending the homeland, it is not only about mobilized, but also about volunteers, in the same interview, syrsky... said that he and zaluzhny were and remain, were they part of the team, and he does not discuss zelenskyi's decision, because he is a military man, the commander-in-chief made the decision about the release of zaluzhny and he accepted it, but this is a story about e-mobilization, about 500,000 ukrainians, well zaluzhny also never mentioned this number, that is , zelenskyy named this number publicly, he said that

the military... want to 500,000 ukrainians were mobilized, but i am against it, given the history that is currently taking place around the mobilization law, why do you think zelensky does not take on a decisive role, because his words, his position, his speech before the verkhovna rada , probably would be enough for the verkhovna rada to make correct and timely decisions. wouldn't drag on this bill for four months as the congress of the united states of america? well , in general, the story is very strange, because the behavior itself is, well, er, i would say for frondersk from the servant of the people party, frondersk to the banking party, then, er, so active.