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the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. today in the program. russian military terror does not abate. several thermal and hydroelectric power stations were damaged. ukraine is asking partners for additional air defense systems. strengthening. block zelenskyi introduced the new heads of the foreign intelligence service and the national security and defense council. what new tasks are assigned to these bodies? contrary to christian morality. the uocmp distanced itself from nazi ideology russian peace. does this make the ukrainian branch of the russian orthodox church independent from moscow? we will talk about this and other things for the next hour with our guests, the people's deputy of ukraine, the former chairman. security of ukraine valentyn

nalyvaichenko, political expert volodymyr tsibulek and journalist roban tsimbalyuk. in the second part of our program, which will start in exactly one hour, there will be a journalism club with the participation of my colleagues kateryna nekrecha and yanina sokolova. however , before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video about how ukrainians speak fighters repelled another assault attempt near novomykhaivka, the surviving occupiers, throwing burning equipment, tried... however , drone operators caught up with the runners and targeted them. the video of the magical destruction was released by the 79th separate airborne assault brigade of tauriy. let's see.

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the numbers are free , call me, i want to introduce our first guest, this is valentyn nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine. secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on integration of ukraine with the european union, former head of the security service of ukraine. mr. valentin, i congratulate you, thank you, that you are with us today good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. valentin, over the past few weeks we have been watching the russian occupiers strike the critical infrastructure of ukraine, particularly the energy facility as a result of the current nighttime attack on ukraine. the power system was damaged, the energy infrastructure in dnipropetrovsk, vinnytsia, ivano-frankivsk, lviv, cherkasy and chernivtsi regions, in some regions, according to the prime minister of ukraine denys shmyhal, emergency measures were applied disconnection, what is putin's goal and why

is there no reaction from the world to these shellings, why is there no such reaction as to the terrorist attack in moscow. the goal is obvious, it has not changed under putin, with the beginning of full-scale aggression against us, and the return, in fact, has happened, the return to energy terror with the use of rockets, shaheeds and everything that the russian terrorist, the kremlin regime, putin and his armed forces against our state. moreover, they are already filming and do not even hide it themselves, they show that the old soviet ones in the factories... they already have old soviet multi-ton bombs, i do n’t know what they paint them there, and they add a little, you know, tails, and among them they began to use multi-ton terrorist heavy bombs against the civilian population of ukraine, primarily against

front-line and front-line territory of ukraine. i think that the only thing that has changed is that the russian aggressor does not have a russian one. no successes at the front, resorts to more and more severe forms of terrorizing the civilian population and ukraine as a whole. and the international ones agree on this serious analysts, and our partners from nato member countries, and i, as a specialist, believe that it is the powerlessness and lack of results at the front, where the armed forces of ukraine, the armed forces of ukraine, repel and beat the aggressor and beat them very painfully, especially referring to the last strikes on sevastopo. and other such military facilities on the territory of the temporarily occupied ukrainian crimea, i think that all this is the trigger, the , you know, the trigger, that once again putin gave the order to return to energy terror with the use of multi-ton flying

weapons from russia. is the ukrainian government doing everything in order to initiate or draw the attention of the world community to what ... putin is doing now, well, i mean, why is there no initiative to convene the un security council, since the destruction of the energy infrastructure in ukraine will certainly lead to a humanitarian disaster throughout the country, you are right, serhiy, first of all, it is necessary to clearly qualify, and it is so in international law, that this is the use of such terrorist missiles, shaheds and multi-ton terrorist bombs against civilians... infrastructure and civilian citizens of ukraine, these are crimes against humanity, war crimes against the civilian population, and this is a real international crime, here there is not only and not so much a mess without the un, as much as i think a special military tribunal is needed, which is why

our westerners are dragging it out partners, it is not entirely clear to me, because from the first months of russian aggression, we proposed and advocated and insist that everything... there is such a special tribunal for war crimes and crimes against humanity by the russians on the territory of ukraine , he already worked in the gas industry, well, there are already warrants for the arrest of putin, that shoemaker of his, two russian commanders, who just gave the order to their russian air forces to use missiles against the energy facilities of ukraine in 22 23 years, already the 24th year, it should finally act. such a tribunal and to issue sentences not only to the war criminals themselves, but also to confiscate russian assets, confiscate russian real estate, money and so on, in order to finance and transfer more to ukraine, that's right, air defense,

air defense systems, i'll decipher a little bit, which are needed now, because literally yesterday, the day before yesterday, we held such negotiations with our french partners, the chairman of the assembly and the heads of the committees were here. of the french parliament are precisely profiled, profiled, we are now clearly telling our partners in the anti-putin coalition: we need third-generation patriot systems, or similar vs. of air defense, why the third generation and why petrio, and because these are the missiles of the third generation have a warhead that , regardless of whether it was targeted by the radar and released by the computer, this warhead itself will not leave any russian missile in the air, even these zircons, which the russians boasted so much about, these warheads are capable of carrying them further in the air, to target, to impress, and to impress... what it might be interesting for our tv viewers is that these are 24 such tungsten rods

that completely paralyze, destroy the wings of the rocket, the rocket itself, and thus and thereby knock it off course or destroyed in the air, and so it was and that is why they were successfully shot down and over kiev, including in the last week two zircons, the last of which was released by the aggressor from the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea, that is why such air defense systems and... such third generation with the possibility of targeting, and they, having already achieved results in this russian war against us, these systems have shown that there are no russian missiles beyond their reach, there is no hyper-habitual, ecclesiastical, onisty, dagger or any other russian terrorist weapon that they cannot shoot down, they shoot down all of them, but the time has come for our partners to give ukraine the same, the same... systems, and they were needed yesterday in kharkiv, the day before yesterday in odesa and in other

specific cities, which our general staff knows for sure, and you know what is also important, that our truly military specialists , i applaud them, they know in which even old soviet mines for missiles, how they were on the territory of ukraine, including strategic ones, you can and should put them, hide them from destruction and how to use this old one, but... nevertheless , existing on our land still soviet infrastructure for missiles. at that time , it is true that these missiles were against the west, but now such, such infrastructure, such deployment and such capabilities have been created, and we can and want to use them to protect ukraine. only in these possibilities, in these concrete and not only concrete, underground, including possibilities and storage, such systems can and should be placed. air defense and missiles for them in order to stop the missile terrorism of the enemy. this is the number one issue now for

the survival of ukraine, our energy industry and our million-strong cities throughout the territory. well, volodymyr zelenskyi also spoke about additional air defense complexes in an interview with the cbs news channel. he says that it is the additional air defense systems that will protect industrial centers and weaken putin. let's listen to what zelenskyi said, the weapons i told you about, 5-7 patriot air defense systems from the united states of america today will protect industry, industrial platforms in ukraine, so that we have jobs, schools, so that we have there was an opportunity to work. and children go to school and unlock the sky, believe me, there will be steps forward, and this will be a weakening for him,

a weakening for him within the state, mr. valentin, obviously this interview, and what zelensky said, it is directed at the west, why does the west not listen to ukraine and pleas about air defense? i don't think i don't hear, in fact, they both hear and know, and we don't sleep, i mean those mps that i... i work with our western partners, although i don't even go online enough, or they come to kyiv, but that's not what we're talking about now, they hear, but you have to understand that, for example, those patriot air defense system, only the third generation, i emphasize, with such state-of-the-art capabilities, because we need to shoot down not just missiles, but russian ones, which are actually very large, very heavy, but at the same time , it is enough, you know, so fast, with all that for us. we need these systems, and , for example, the patriot systems in ukraine, they were handed over to us by germany, so i

sometimes think that criticism is very unfair, too much criticism of germany, if it were not for germany , we would not have such modern systems, so that at one time they had to be produced, delivered, mastered, and so on, so now the main issue is still the unblocking of american aid so that the american manufacturer of patriot systems of the third and in... more advanced generations, this is the patriot anti-aircraft system , more of them were produced and supplied to ukraine, and moreover, we already need not only systems, but also radars. guidance systems and the missiles themselves, that is, the same consumables, which are, believe me, very expensive, so that our tv viewers understand, one missile - it is 5-7 million dollars depending on the homing head and other characteristics, this is a very , very not a cheap weapon, but now the question is not in the price, ukraine is not standing by the price, because we have to protect our citizens and our cities,

the question is now the allocation of funding and timely ordering and... very rhythmic production of additional systems, for example, poland, even under president duda, agreed on patrio systems for itself for a billion 400 million 8 years ago in order to receive them only this year, this is a serious period time, but we have to go the other way, we still need additional funding to appear, to be voted by congress and signed by the us president, and to direct this funding to already... manufactured systems, so that those partners who could not only germany, were transferred to ukraine, and i confirm the main thing is that we, we have the infrastructure where to place them, and there are priority needs, odesa, kharkiv and other cities. in the same interview given by the ukrainian president to cbs news, he also mentioned the possibility of negotiations with

for putin, this is probably not the first time in the last two years that the president of... the territory, it is only necessary to go to the border of the 22nd year in order to push president putin to negotiations. let's hear what zelensky said. we will not need to de-occupy all our territories, exclusively by military means. i'm sure when he loses what he wants. drank, seized, starting from the 22nd year, he will completely lose the confidence, even of those countries that still doubt whether to support ukraine or not, and he will also lose power within his state, as soon as this will take place, he will be ready for dialogue, he does not want any dialogue, and when he is

ready for dialogue, the international conditions should definitely be a... the liberation of our territories, the territorial integrity of ukraine. mr. valentin, how do you assess the possibility or impossibility of negotiations with putin and whether putin will ever be ready for dialogue at all, or has he simply already crossed the line beyond which, well, there is actually no negotiation element. it is necessary to understand that aggression is always a crossing of any, you know, borders and refusal of any negotiations , and it was putin and russia who did it on february 24 , 2022, so here you know how to think about the past - it's like buying tickets for a train that will never leave any platform, you have to think about now, about here and now and about the present, and we have another task than to support the armed forces of ukraine, to protect our sky with

anti-aircraft systems and to get universal fighter jets sooner, we should not forget about them. on the contrary, it is necessary to enter the ukrainian sky at 16, including to work what we are doing now, with french and other partners, to get more of those systems that are not only anti-aircraft, but which will be able to destroy precisely the launch systems, the launch of such russian missiles, shahedes and bombs, and from the territories of the temporarily occupied crimea, and from those territories of the donetsk and luhansk regions, from where... these last ones are now launched, especially modifications of fabs, cabs for 300, that is, this is a serious bomb, even if it is soviet, but a serious bomb that poses a serious threat, poses a serious threat to of our armed forces for our defenders, it means that these carriers must be destroyed in the sky, and the carriers, well, this is not a fantasy, these are still

old soviet tu-22s, well, the tu-22 is, you know, any modern system. the central intelligence agency destroys at a distance, and we need such systems, the armed forces of ukraine simply do not have enough of them, or almost none, they are closer to the front line, so they should appear there. we are deciding now, and this is my main opinion, specific issues, the defense of ukraine, the destruction of aggressor terrorist missiles and bombs, and the preservation of our defenders as much as possible. question about sentencing opportunities or lost opportunities, this is a bigger question. well, i , for example, do not deal with them, so i think that discussing them is a waste of time, well, but look, another statement came from the mouth of the former federal chancellor of the federal... germany herhard schröder, who, by the way, was once involved in gazprom, he seems to have been the chairman of the supervisory board there, and he was related to gazprom, what he says, he says that

he could negotiate peace with putin, he said this in an interview with the german agency dpa, what he says, we have cooperated well for many years, meaning with putin, maybe it can still help to find a solution at the negotiating table, i don't see any other way, france and germany have to take. take the initiative in this matter. it is obvious that the war cannot end with the total defeat of any of the parties - said schroeder. what shroeder says obviously plays into the hands of vladimir putin. but on the other hand, considering the terrorist nature of the regime headed by vladimir putin, or in general, we should talk about it, we will come to an agreement with him, maybe he wants peace, but he is not understood, and we cannot give it to him. lose, so we will negotiate with him, why does the world not talk about putin as the number one terrorist in the world? and my first

comment regarding the words or statements of mr. schroeder, everything is much more serious, but also simple: putin introduced, prepared and will wage war as long as the world will allow him to earn on energy carriers. while they are buying russian oil, while they are buying other energy carriers. with russia there is putin has money for war, and he will use it for war, and shöder knows this very well. look now, as soon as the russian gazprom, remember, there was such a gas super-superpolist with huge revenues of billions, and what? europeans, our partners began to buy less russian gas and introduced sanctions a lot, and so on and so forth, and for a week, for a week, the russian gazprom now loses 5.6 billion rubles, a week, not for... wash, lose, act, works, but they should do the same for oil, and believe me, then it's not just negotiations, then there will be a white flag in moscow and they will ask

for everything, just buy at least something again, because in fact putin's entire regime, like his terrorist army, is based on oil dollars, gas dollars, that is, on the fact that including large western countries that they buy energy carriers from the russian federation, and here... there is no need to look for some big conspiracy, war is always a war of resources, the only resource left in russia is trade in energy carriers in the world. thank you, mr. valentin, it was valentin nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, former chairman security services of ukraine. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us on tv and youtube. we are conducting a survey today and we ask you the following: are you satisfied with your work? danilova as secretary of the national security and defense council, yes, no , everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your personal opinion or a special opinion,

please write a comment under this video, if you watch us on tv, vote for phone numbers, if you are satisfied with danilov's work as secretary of the nsdc 0800 211 381 or 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, call... at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with volodymyr tsybulko, political analyst, people's deputy of ukraine, of the fourth convocation. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. volodymyr, let's start with volodymyr zelenskyi's statement, which sounded in an interview with the cbs news channel. what does he say? the ukrainian president that the ukrainian military managed to restrain the advance of the russian occupiers. in the winter, at the same time he admitted that the armed forces of ukraine are not ready for a major russian offensive, which may take place either in may or june, what does this statement

by zelenskyi mean, and is this statement directed at the west or at the domestic consumer, in your opinion? well, strangely enough, this is a certain admission in, i would say in... in the dysfunctionality of the government, because when the government begins to admit that it is not ready to resist the enemy, then it is not finalizing let's see today, well, the other day the results of the work of the accounting chamber on the ministry of defense were made public, 60 billion hryvnias of non-targeted expenditures. this is evidence that the authorities are not finalizing. it is obvious that zelensky was counting on and... with such a confession , after all, to persuade the western partners to have mercy on his team and not

to pressure him. authorities on the subject of anti-corruption activity, and silently help with weapons. unfortunately for the western partners, as they answer to their constituents, handing over any resources to a government that is not too keen fighting corruption is a risky business, because sooner or later the voter will ask, who do you give our money and resources to? by the way, experts of the american institute for the study of war say that since the beginning of offensive operations in october 2023, the russian army captured 505 km of the territory of ukraine, in particular, in the period from january 1 to march 28, 2024, the troops captured almost 100 km territory more than in the last 3 months of the 23rd year, such rates

of advancement can be. with a combination of lack of equipment in ukraine and more favorable weather conditions conditions, analysts note, well, it is clear that in this situation there are a lot of questions for the congress of the united states of america and the help that we have been waiting for four months, i.e. 61 billion dollars for kona, and actually the americans cannot decide to open it to us financially. lack of this money, or this help, let's say this, not even money, what does this mean and how much does it affect the mood of the russians to go on the offensive in may, june this year? well, look, let's start with the general's resignation first zaluzhnyi, followed by 16 more generals, isn't this an encouragement of the russians to the fact that

ukraine is weakening in... serious problems have appeared in ukraine, and at the moment when there is a rotation of management in the troops, it is precisely the time for an offensive, more , let's see, with the united states, it's a strange story in general, because, for example, more than 50%, even 60% of americans, supporters of both main american parties, support the struggle of ukraine, let's see the latest ... poll shows that ukraine, americans call ukraine his second ally in in the world, in the event of an attack on the united states, they believe that it is ukraine that will stand next to the united states. this means that the politicians in the white house, or rather, not in the white house, in the congress, know perfectly well the mood of the americans in support of ukraine, but when they do not

vote and when they organize. such maneuvers, not everything can be attributed only to the pre-election struggle, they still demonstrate a certain, certain skepticism about the managerial qualities of the ukrainian government, didn't we watch how, before the new year , the verkhovna rada dispatched a landing force the campaigning united states, precisely at the moment when there were no american politicians in the constituencies, and to be honest... the selection of characters who were supposed to convince american politicians that ukraine should be supported, he caused, well, a certain skepticism and surprise, so not everything can be blamed, not all the blame can be blamed on the american congress, which is delaying aid, because along with

the delay by the american congress on... aid, european countries have now increased aid to ukraine so much that here would try not to mislead at least european partners, to work honestly, but when we look, for example, at the bills introduced by some representatives of the authorities, it is simply, well, surprising, because these legislative initiatives create an image of ukraine as something like that . well , i would say too young a democracy, mr. volodymyr, and in fact, you mentioned the hard worker, for the first time in the last month and a half , sirsky, general syrsky, gave an interview to the ukrainian media, in an interview with ukrinform, he spoke about