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trey: good evening, thank you for joining us i am trey gowdy. it is "sunday night in america". anti-israel protest have turned college campuses into danger zone for jewish students. the purpose of free-speech is to elucidate the truth and register dissent, is now being used as pretext for hate and hate stifles the exchange of ideas, hate quails reason, why go to college if you're so sure you have all the right answers in the first place. because the right answer is never to judge someone based on race, religion, nationality or gender. the biden administration has been reeling from the decrease in support among young people so biden wants it both ways support israel would also wink and nod at the israeli voices in his own party, what is happening on the so-called elite college campuses is too much for even him. >> this is a deeply painful moment for many communities and we understand that.

but the president believes free-speech and nondiscrimination on college campuses are important in their important to american values so he will always be very clear, will always be very clear about that here. but protest must be peaceful. students must be safe. when we see violent rhetoric we have to call that out. >> you have the right to free speech and peacefully protested young the right to deeply unpopular and unwise opinions but you do not have the right to threaten elders no matter how much iv is hanging off the walls of your buildings, joining us in your congressman mike lawler, welcome congressman, what is going on with the threatening dangerous protest on college campuses, some of which are happening in places where you were familiar. you and congress are following this, what is going on with the college campuses. >> unfortunately anti-semitism

has been growing on college campuses for years, the students have been peddling nana and promoting the bds movement and really obviously in the aftermath of october 7 it is been hyper charged and congress must act to crack down on it because the universities and college presidents and administrators are failing and the responsibility to keep the students safe and to ensure that there is a free exchange of ideas but based in truth and reality and not anti-semitic rhetoric designed to threaten and target jewish students. that is why this week we will vote on my bill the anti-semitism awareness act which will require the department of education to adopt the working definition of anti-semitism and all of the contemporary examples for its

discrimination enforcement cases, you have to be able to define and crackdown and that's what were seeking to do. these administrators are failing miserably. trey: i think anticipating my next question read also the questioner viewers have, they are wondering whether tax dollars were public money is going to schools that can't or won't condemn races anti-semitic activities. >> bottom line to me you need to be able to define what anti-semitism is, enforce it. if schools are failing in the enforcement then they need to be stripped of federal dollars including student aid and that's why i introduced stop anti-colleges act which would defund institutions of higher learning. when you see what is happening you have a situation where there is clearly paid agitators and protesters who are involved in this. the new york post reported on this the other day with the

outside groups funding many of the protest on college campuses but you see often times it requires the power of the purse to get the institutions to act and the threat of taking the federal dollars away will surely cause many of them to do what they should've been already doing which is putting into the protest because they're not rooted in factor in reality, the rooted in anti-semitism and the fact that the schools have allowed it to happen knowing full well if these were protest against black people work protest against immigrants or gay people the schools rightly would've crackdown on it right away but there allowing it to happen under the guise of the israel palestinian conflict but we know what it is is anti-semitism at its core. trey: before i let you go i would listen to the president with you and ask you a quick question on the other side.

>> to condemn the anti-semitic protest on college campuses. >> i condemn the anti-semitic protest that's why i set up a program to deal with that and also those to understand what's going on with the palestinians. trey: he reminds me of his own boss president obama when he said i condemn burning children alive and using rape as a weapon of war but condemn trespass and occupied land there is no equating hamas with israel, what you make with how the war is impacted american politics? >> clearly is having an impact on electoral politics. chuck schumer calling for regime change, nancy pelosi calling for benjamin netanyahu to resign. the president trying to have it both ways, they are concerned about michigan and minnesota and other parts of the country, rather than the reality. i want the palestinian people to be free from their oppressor their oppressor is hamas, not israel is not apartheid state

it's a democracy, the only multicultural democracy in the middle east. one of our closest allies in the world and we should be standing shoulder to shoulder with them and working to root out terrorism across the globe including hamas. trey: mike lawler from the great state of new york, thank you for joining us on a sunday night. i will continue to invite you on as long as these issues exist and i'm afraid that's going to be for a while, thank you for joining us. we know the middle east is on fire and robert gay has warned us joe biden was wrong on every significant foreign policy decision of the past four years. we know the national security advisor jake sullivan was bragging about how quiet things were in the middle east right before hamas started cutting the heads off of children. >> the middle east region is

quieter today than it has been in two decades, challenges remain iran's nuclear weapons program, the tensions between israelis and palestinians but the amount of time that i have to spend on crisis and conflict in the middle east today compared to any of my predecessor going back to 9/11 is significantly reduced. >> maybe you should've spent more time investigating and less time bragging, the question how would a republican administration and particular trump administration do things differently and what would a trump administration look like from the foreign policy standpoint, let's turn to the very popular radio host mr. hugh hewitt. thank you for joining us. if you are offering insight who should donald trump pick first, let's start with a running mate who should he pick as a running mate and why? >> i have a short list congressman, good to see you again.

like senator cotten and former secretary of state mike pompeo. i like joni ernst and i like governor burgum and governor youngkin. i think all of them can do the job of a candidate and all of them could do the job of a president if need be. he has a long list it's a very deep bench but i would like him to pick a mainstream conservative experience voice who has the confidence of the entire party and solid on national security. i like those five or six people. trey: i'm going to focus on two of them you mentioned tommy cotten and mike pompeo. that takes them off the board for the next question i'm asking you. one of them, your choice who the president should consider or pick for secretary of defense, secretary of state, head of the cia? >> very good you anticipated me. if one doesn't get name for vp i think they ought to go to defense cotten or pompeo. we could be in war will return around 107 showed us how quickly

events move and they both know what it means to be running the department of defense. i would like them in defense, cia if he's not the chief of staff i like john ratcliffe. over at the state department fees not the chief of staff i like ric grenell, robert o'brien is still around buddy mike and put in the national security advisor's office but you need someone who can get confirmed and someone at the chief of staff, you know this congressman, the chief of staff runs everything the two most important jobs chief of staff national security advisor, this time around the former president future president are going to have a long list of people that they can trust and rely on and i like those two men ratcliffe and grenell in the chief of staff and neither of them back at the nsc. >> i feel like this is an nfl draft but the stakes are much, much higher. you mentioned john lee ratcliffe. if he's the chief of staff he cannot be the ag and he cannot be the new head of the fbi, if

ratcliffe were off of the draft board who with the agb and would you recommend a new head of the fbi? >> absolutely, new head of the fbi have nothing against chris ray but i think there's a certain congressman that used to be an assistant united states attorney that did well on sunday night on fox who would run the fbi very well with the house oversight, i don't mean to embarrass you but i think it would be a great fbi director. ag, gotta get confirmed, you gotta be a senator, cotton or cruise in my view because they know the department of justice and they both would not be deterred by the minions out of them burrowing in there for the five years of the transition to the new regime. i go back to the people who undermined future president trump, we gotta get rid of the member get a new group of people, a lot of good u.s. attorneys served under president

trump before and they will be back in the assisted attorney general stops. at the top i would like to see mr. ratcliffe or senator cotten or senator cruz. trey: i wish you were the general manager for the dallas cowboys. you do a very good job with the mock draft choices. i want to change to the debate both candidates can't wait to debate, here they're talking about it then i'll ask you something on the other side. >> i don't know if you get a debate your opponent. >> i am somewhere i don't know when. >> i'm happy to do it. >> will do it monday night, tuesday night, wednesday night, thursday night or friday night on national television we are ready just tell me where it will do it at the white house i would be very comfortable actually. >> is a current debate structure is like one separate move from being worthless were picking the leader of the free world and you have to answer questions and 30 seconds. if hugh hewitt were in charge would you change the debate structure and how?

>> i will go back to the most successful debate of my adulthood which is when joe lieberman and cheney sat down at a roundtable with one moderator in 2004 those are two smart men who had very serious conversation about the future. i would do that again in the trouble would be that joe biden is physically and i don't think is going to debate i think they're afraid of that he got to the white house correspondent dinner last night but i don't think omega-3 debate. finding a moderator that both sides would trust. a fair and unbiased moderator will be tough and you might have to let each team pick one with the vito on the other side. also you congressman i cannot imagine president biden agreeing to debate president trump because president trump has more

energy than ten joe biden's more charisma and more star power and i don't see it happening, team biden although the new poll that came out today and he may have to throw america, trump's lead is getting bigger people don't like where the country is economically our national security they don't like the campuses and they really wish they had the trump economy back creek open. trey: you and i didn't even get to the middle east but were going to get there next time. i love having you on the show, thank you for joining us on a sunday night. >> thank you, congressman. >> coming up week two of the state of new york versus donald trump starts tuesday what to look for and how to read the supreme court on the immunity case from this past week. d.o.j. official tom dupree iis s next. unlimited card from chase for business. when we say it'll be on time, they expect it to be on time. turn shipping to your advantage.

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prosecution tried to convince the jury that the trump campaign to catch and kill to further his electoral prospects. telling negative stories to preserve a marriage or reputation or your business is not likely enough for the prosecution to prevail, not on a felony they must connected to a federal campaign or an election crime that trial may not even the most interesting part of last week the supreme court heard arguments of the president on immunity case where we learned once again that while the fringes make the most noise the truth is usually sleeping somewhere in the middle most people acknowledge winning the white house is not a license to commit crimes with impunity or immunity, most people acknowledge presidents cannot constantly be worried about the civil and criminal ramification of their decision or what some overzealous county da decides to do. presidents are not above the law but presidents are different and

that's what the supreme court must flush out, where is the middle ground between treating a president like a monarch and treating a president like an average person and will the court take a pass and send the case back to the lower courts, joining us former deputy assistant attorney general tom dupree, thank you for joining us. what did you think of david packer as a witness and then he advanced elements of prosecution needed him to advance to prove the case. >> i think he did with the prosecutors wanted him to do which is basically setting the stage and framing the case in a way that will condition the jurors to view the evidence as it comes it over the course of the next few weeks. what we didn't hear was tangible evidence that trump committed a crime read we heard a lot about the shadowy world of the new york tabloid seen and we heard about how packer engaged in the

so-called catching kill operations on behalf of other politicians and other celebrities but the prosecutors at the end of the day put a lot of daxs on the stage but they've yet to connect them. we're going to have to obey future witnesses and probably wait a few more weeks before the car under prosecutors draw the connection of criminal activity for the jury. trey: as fascinating as the national enquirer is i want to move on to something weighty year to you, it seems clear that jack smith january 6 case is awkward to go to trial before november but what else became clear in the aftermath of the oral argument in the immunity case? >> what became clear to me trump's argument that allowing presidents to be prosecuted for the official acts while in office that argument designated with the majority of the supreme court justices about the horrors that could follow if this became a regular practice and to be

sure i think you're exactly right in your opening when you said the court needs to walk a middle ground between total immunity and allowing presidents to be effectively above the law and engage in rampant criminal activity. the question where the supreme court strikes a balance. i think they will recognize some sort of presidential immunity there probably not going to go as broadly as trump would like them to go but i think the recognize immunity and i think they will send this back to the lower court for what will be weeks if not months of additional fact-finding and decision-making making all but impossible for a child to go forward before the election. >> my favorite part of the oral argument when the supreme court summarize the d.c. court of appeals holding as trump may be prosecuted because trump is being prosecuted, chronological was a fancy word being tossed by the justices, you don't get a chance to hear that word very often in ordinary life. i want to listen to a clip of the argument together and all

ask you a question on the other side. >> did i understand you to say if he makes a mistake he makes a mistake he subject to the criminal laws like anybody else like he's in a special procurer literally position. >> this case has huge applications for the presidency and the future of the presidency for the future of the country in my view. >> there is sufficient allegation and dine in the governments view that fall into the private acts that the case should be allowed to proceed. trey: have a two-part question you are a smart guy and i know you can handle it another lawyer friend cannot. their student issues. one, what kind of immunity where is the middle ground in the other issue, the constitution doesn't say anything about it. for textual list or originalist, how do they create this immunity if it's not specifically representing the constitution.

>> those are two great questions. on the first question what came out from the questions particularly the ones from justice alito and kavanaugh that they understand the ready decision for the agents. they appreciate that the presidency is different than all the other americans in this role whatever they decide will be applied in the cases of all future american presidents this is not a trump only special decision this is something that have long and lasting and enduring effects on our nation as a whole. i think what justice jackson was getting a and her question is zeroing in the tough question, the difference between water official acts and water unofficial or private acts i think all of us can get our head around it there are some things that the president does that her official presidential acts we can understand there's something that a president might do that's unofficial or personal capacity but recognizing the difference doesn't mean you can articulate a rule that enables you to

identify what acts fall on what side of the line at least not without spending a lot of time studying obligations in the evidence in making very, very complicated decisions, that is a task that awaits a supreme co court. trey: that is a task that you and i will undertake over the next couple of months, thank you for joining us on the sunday night we will see you soon. up next tiktok may be gone but the cyber threat in china is not, congressman dusty johnson serves on the house committeeme serves on the house committeeme and joins us right after break. blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn.

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>> welcome to "fox news live" i am ashley's turmoil in new york. talks between israel and thomas are expected to resume tomorrow hamas says is been reviewing a new proposal from vizio details of the offer have not been released in recent report proposals have included a six week positive findings in exchange for the release of some hamas held hostages the meeting comes as president biden continues to pressure israel's prime minister to avoid pursuing a ground invasion with rafah without a plan to protect civilians. in ukraine the situation on the front lines has worsened in the face of multiple russian attacks army officials report forces have had to retreat from three eastern villages while they await the arrival of aid,

president biden said to $61 billion aid package last week and promised shipments will start immediately. i'm ashley strohmier back to sunday night america, log on to foxnews.com. trey: welcome back to sunday night america new laws forcing tiktok parent company to sell the platform or face a ban in the u.s. the company is threatening to shut it down which would have no impact on my life but surely not go over well with the tens of millions of people who use and access tiktok. what also doesn't go over well is espionage and the theft of intellectual property, fbi director christopher wray accused china of the largest and sophisticated theft of intellectual property in the history of the world. as the u.s. figuring this out too late or do we still have time joining us a member of the

house select committee on china south dakota congressman dusty johnson, welcome. i don't use it but for those among us that don't wanted to go away tell us why the law passed. >> tiktok is chinese with malware junk food for our brains that that's not why the house in senate came together and strong bipartisan fashion to force the communist party to divest from tiktok. the reason that we did it you can't allow for an adversary to control that much of the mega public square we would never have allowed the soviet union to buy the wall street journal, the new york times the cbs evening news and the height of the cold war and we should not allow the chinese commonest party to do it today either. trey: i know young people are upset, i have some in my own life but i really give you a chance to be crystal clear, your access to information that other people do not have access to the

connection between tiktok of the chinese communist party lay out what you stand for them on the issue. >> first off i would put their minds at ease, i promise you american teenagers there are other platforms where you can see cute dance videos, tiktok is not an important part of your life even if you feel like it is, here's the reality we know we have whistleblowers that have told us that the chinese communist party has use the data for breathtaking number of ways to reduce liberty in this country and i'll give you one example. a journalist that tiktok on their phone they went to go interview a chinese-american family about repression in china. the chinese communist party figured out, not because the chinese-americans had tiktok but the journalist did, they were able to identify who the chinese-americans were did they gobbled up their family picked up their family living in china

and imprison them and that families never even heard of again. that is oppression, tierney and let's not let the chinese communist party do that on thing with our. trey: there will be court challenges because there are always court challenges how do you evaluate claims of free speech with the right to protect citizens that you just laid out for malevolent actors. >> or federal government cannot regulate content and of course that's not what were doing. if you want to put junk food garbage in your brain from tiktok, that is fine i suspect i'll sell it to somebody else and you'll be able to mainline that garbage into your brain were not regulating content were regulating conduct which is permissible and always say this platform has to be managed and controlled by somebody other than one of our foreign adversaries. i suspect that will hold up to scrutiny. trey: before i let you go, anthony blinken is worried china

will interfere in the coming general election. here he is all ask you a question on the other side. >> i've seen, generally speaking evidence of attempts to influence and arguably interfere and we want to make sure that's cut off as quickly as possible. trey: i think the irony of talking about election interference while his boss is actually prosecuting the gop nominee is a little bit lost on him but regardless of that every cycle of obligation of election interference by foreign actors how concerned should we be the cycle? >> we should turn the concerned guy all the way up to ten and we know during the last election three quarters of misinformation campaign on facebook were traced back to russian troll farms in china made a bigger investment in recent years, we know that

chinese hackers and propaganda artists outnumber our cybersecurity professionals but the federal government by 50 - 1 we have to wake up to this threat and frankly all of us have to quit sharing information that we don't know is true on our social media platforms. china and russia are going out of their way to make sure white is fighting back, riches fighting poor and cityfolk are fighting the country folk, republicans versus democrats when we share information that might be propaganda from the ccp or russia we are doing their bidding for them when america is united nothing can beat us china and russia figured out it helps make their life whole lot easier the chinese and russian tyrannical regimes lives a whole lot easier. trey: you are right the only force that can defeat us is us. congressman dusty johnson with the great state of south dakota, thank you for joining us on a

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nato has been around an alliance forged in the aftermath of world war ii, agreements were made by countries of good conscience to defend one another what was called an axis of evil three malevolent forces joined together to disrupt the world order the country may change and history but the bottle remains it's good versus evil, freedom versus tierney a world that by the united states or a world led by others. under article five of the treaty should member nation be attacked other members will help with been invoked once by us after 9/11 and member nations did what they said they would do they came to our defense russia's invasion of ukraine no doubt played a role in sweden and finland deciding to join but ukraine is not a member ukraine wants to be a member but is not.

ukraine however, is a buffer between russia and other nato countries which means ukraine may be a buffer between our soldiers fighting russian soldiers in eastern europe. it is true the u.s. is not treaty bound to defend ukraine but there is a belief that helping ukraine defend itself now that keeps the u.s. out of her world war and then the old-fashioned notion that is the right thing to do to help the smaller nation defend itself under unprovoked attack from a bully congress passed an age package that included money for ukraine and like everything else these days it was controversial ukraine may lose this war even with the help ukraine will most assuredly lose the war without it did the help come too late? joining us the deputy secretary general of nato, welcome thank

you for joining us, give us your take on the war in eastern europe and whether the aide for ukraine came too late. >> i was in washington, d.c. in the senate when the legislation was passed and of course the delay of an important legislation on the battlefield but they believe this is not decisive and with the help of all allies and partners of ukraine and nato and outside of nato that the u.s. supports 50% of the aggregates coming from other allies and supporting ukraine and as were over all domestic a few months back we should be over pessimistic it's a delicate h time and the resilience and bravely they will

be in good standing. in india prevailing this were because they were is our work and as you readily said little if i sewed olean aggressor and let's not forget that others like china are watching how things are developing and ukraine and actively watching and drawing lessons of what we do and don't do but i'm confident ukraine will prevail in our support as well deserve for this nation in europe and also an example to the rest of the world. trey: you mentioned something to necessitate a follow-up. americans hear a lot about member contribution to the common cause of nato. our other nato countries stepping up you mention the statistic 50% but all ask you are they stepping up for the common defense under nato and more specifically with respect to ukraine, there is a notion if the u.s. doing it alone but when

i hear you speak it's exactly as it was intended. other countries are helping to. >> yes they do and we should do a better job communicating to the u.s. congress in american public opinion to america international media all nations and nato support ukraine i'll give you an example of iceland they don't have an army and they're still putting the disposal transportation, airport and this is something that happens for small and big allies and nato and let's not forget close to 50 nations not only nato other nations are supporting ukraine from the indo pacific and the nations that are believing in democracy in the fight of ukraine and will be out of not only military support macroeconomic and financial support to ukraine we also speak

about humanitarian assistance a lot of refugees and a lot of people with kids that european nations are taking care of this is also costing money. if you put on the aggregate i think america plays a big, big role but far from being alone each of us a common struggle for freedom, democracy and for norms in this convoluted world were living in. trey: before i let you go left and not a happy no there's an arms race but also a technology-based what is nato doing and how is nato doing in the competition to attract and retain the best and brightest minds as it relates to technology. >> innovation and nato we are harnessing the immense innovation ecosystem across our great reliance.

you see the signs behind me and that perdue wanted the leading engineer yesterday i was at mit in boston with 140 different places working on innovation for our security and our freedom nato is the first organization in the world that is working together never operating in nato innovation fund the first multinational venture capital fund. 32 nations loose sweden into nato were then 50% of global gdp and global defense, this is why nato is so important 75 years since our founding fathers, god bless their souls that a great idea to create nato now heading to the washington summit in july and ready to continue to met of what we are supposed to do protecting freedom and this is a

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>> leeways to defense attorneys in death penalty cases that is a fact this judge is allowing defense to question potential jurors ahead of time despite claims about the prosecution it of that will poison the jury pool. when you your list of is star gazing kohberger's defense attorney said he was out driving in early hours, as he often did to hike, run and/or see the moon and stars. i think i know how this will end. we'll see what a jury does, turbing to one of my favorite lawyers who is a retired nypd inspector mr. paul mauro. judges street capital cases differently, and prosecutors

don't get many close calls, what do you make of calling potential jurors this early in a case. >> first of all congressman thank you. i think that what they are trying to do is strengthen their change of venue motion, which is pending, the strategy would be as follows, let's get another polling -- enough polling in, that is going forward despite the challenge, it was a contentious hearing but at the end of the day the judge did allow it, i believe when defense is looking to do. before the hearing on change of venue, she is looks to put together a compelling case in the county, with 40 thousand permanent am residents bryan kohberger can not get a fair trial, the phone survey they have been using demonstrates that, as a result the case has to be moved to a different county someplace in idaho. >> let's move from venue, refresh our recollection on

most significant pieces of evidence in this case, we all followed it during the investigation in aftermath. it has been a while, wasn't dna found on a knife sheath at the murder scene? his dna. >> it was, this case ended up going much how we spoke about it before kohberger was apprehended it was a combination of digital evidence, video then the dna on the knife sheath at the scene that is the linchpin of the case, kohberger has filed hissal by with the court. and he is going with what i call the moon and stars defense. which is that despite the fact that the digital investigation shows his phone 12 times in the weeks leading up to the homicide

that they shows his phone in the area of the house, reportedly his phone was so close a number of time its hit the wi-fi in the house. he is claiming now he was driving at night. and that he was looking at the moon and stars. and let me just for supposition sake tell you where i believe this is going, health use an expert who happens to be an an ex-cop to say period while his phone appears to be dead in the digital record, he was in a place called wawawi park. that park does not have wi-fi. so if i had to guess, i'm just guessing, we remind ourselves he is innocent until proven guilty, i think they are going with it yes, the phone was off line not because he turned it off in an attempt.

he was star gazing at wawawi park, he could not have been there and ignore all of the other every, including dna, video of his car at the scene and digital evidence that shows him in and around the house numerous times. >> you know paul, if we were sitting in a prosecution table together we would point out for the jury his interest in star gazing was put on pause long enough for him to leave the area after the murders, and head back to michigan where they also found increme nating evidence -- incriminates evidence, i hear you. he has to have some kind of defense, i was going to ask why they put it in writing this early, but do they have to go with the star gazing? >> interesting, under idaho law, your ally has to be specific. and i believe that is in the

statute. this is not a very specific alibi. as of now, it is surviving you know, i don't know, i have not heard that prosecutions t has challenged it, it would be tough to talk your way out of it. >> it will be a long process, the minute it was noted for death penalty it would be a large anda process, thank you for joining us. thank you, congressman. >> thank you for spending part of your s sunday with us, i hope you have a great week ahead, good night from south carolina. us. ♪