more devolution, it's all about more devolution, is it.7 is that the answer to our woes? you is it? is that the answer to our woes? you tell me. and absolutely shocking scenes over this past 48 hours when it comes to knife crime in britain. and at the same time, schools have now said that kids are behaving worse and worse . it feels to me worse and worse. it feels to me like the fabric of basic society is being ripped apart at the seams. do you agree with that? and if so, what on earth do we do about it all? and speaking of crime, do you think we need to have more open justice, more court hearings to be opened to pubuc court hearings to be opened to public view or not? and last but not i've been desperate not least, i've been desperate to to you this for to talk to you about this for a couple of days now. i artificial intelligence 8 million jobs could risk. what do you could be at risk. what do you think that? is it just think to that? is it just forwarding to future, or is forwarding to the future, or is it to be concerned it something to be concerned about? i've got all that to come and more over the next hour. but

before we get stuck in, let's cross live for the 6:00 news. >> michelle, thank you, and good evening to you, will. the top story from the newsroom today is that police have arrested a man in his 30s in connection with a double stabbing at kennington tube station in london overnight. that comes after another man was also arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after stabbing after a separate stabbing on a train in the capital. footage of that incident, shared on social media, showed a masked man attacking another man with a large knife as passengers called for help. meanwhile british transport police are enhancing patrols over the easter weekend , patrols over the easter weekend, they say, across a number of stations in london following both those unconnected stabbings on the rail network. michael gove today described the management of thames water an absolute disgrace after calls to increase customers bills to plug their funding hole. the firm's bosses have admitted it could

face the risk of emergency nationalisation as its cash crisis deepens. shareholders have refused to give the company half £1 billion of extra financing, describing their rescue plan laid out to them as uninvestable . instead, uninvestable. instead, shareholders have said they want the regulator off what to increase customers bills by up to 40% over the next five years. mr gove says thames water has behaved in an arrogant way towards its customers and must take responsibility for its failings. >> for years now, we've seen the customers of thames water taken advantage of by successive management teams that have been taking out profits and not investing as they should have been. so the answer is not to hit the consumers. the answer is for management team to look for the management team to look to their own approach and ask themselves why they're in this difficult situation. and of course, the answer is because of serial mismanagement, for which they the can.

they must carry the can. >> the labour leader, sir keir starmer, has been talking to us here at gb news today, saying that labour will get the levelling up agenda back on track. speaking shortly after an eventin track. speaking shortly after an event in the west midlands to launch local election launch the local election campaign for party, the campaign for the party, the labour leader dismissed suggestions boris suggestions that even boris johnson might be given a role in reviving the policy. >> levelling up as idea. the >> levelling up as an idea. the sense that we need more regional equality , is really important, equality, is really important, but in order to make that work, you need a viable plan and you need to do the hard yards of implementing it. i'm afraid bofis implementing it. i'm afraid boris johnson didn't do that , boris johnson didn't do that, but i intend to make sure that every area, whether it's dudley, where we now or anywhere where we are now or anywhere across country , feels the across the country, feels the benefit of a growing economy. >> sir keir starmer, speaking to gb news earlier. now the united nafionsis gb news earlier. now the united nations is calling on rishi sunak to scrap his rwanda scheme. the organisation's human rights committee says the government's plan to send asylum

seekers on a one way trip to the east african nation should be abandoned or repealed if it passes in parliament. in a report , 18 member states raised report, 18 member states raised concerns of discrimination and potential violations of international law, but the government has responded, accusing the un itself of double standards because they say it already sends refugees to rwanda itself . over 600 border force itself. over 600 border force officers at heathrow airport are set to go on strike for four days, starting from the 11th of april. in a recent vote, 90% of union members at the uk's busiest airport backed the walkout over new shift pattern changes. walkout over new shift pattern changes . the pcs union suggests changes. the pcs union suggests the changes could see as many as 250 staff pushed out of their jobs , so they're demanding for jobs, so they're demanding for plans to be withdrawn, calling it unfair and even inhumane treatment of staff that are, they say, critical to national security . a man has been security. a man has been arrested in connection with the death of the gogglebox star

george gilbey, who died yesterday after a fall at work. he was best known for appearing on the channel four television series, which takes people inside viewers homes whilst they are watching television. he also appeared on celebrity big brother in 2014, essex police have detained a man in his 40s on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter in the united states. an entrepreneur and founder of a cryptocurrency exchange has been sentenced to 25 years behind bars for multi—million dollar fraud. sam bankman—fried's firm , ftx, was bankman—fried's firm, ftx, was valued at $32 billion before it went bankrupt in 2022. the 32 year old has been convicted of stealing 8 billion usd from his customers. his sentencing today marks a dramatic downfall for the former billionaire, who was once a major political donor. in news here at home plans to reform britain's leasehold property laws have been

criticised by peers who say the bill doesn't go far enough. leaseholds allow homeowners to buy live in property for buy and live in a property for a set number of years, while paying set number of years, while paying charges for the land. however, there's been mounting criticism of the system, with many residents seeing charges rise dramatically, often with little explanation, meaning homeowners can often be locked into contracts with into costly contracts with little right to redress. and the government has dropped its pledge to scrap leaseholds. last yean pledge to scrap leaseholds. last year, labour's housing spokesperson baroness taylor called the government's current proposal a shell of a bill that won't offer the security that homeowners are asking for. and lastly, the british filmmaker christopher nolan . and his wife, christopher nolan. and his wife, producer emma thomas, are respectively , to receive respectively, to receive a knighthood and a damehood. their film oppenheimer took home the best oscar for the oscar for best picture at this year's academy awards, and together they've created some of hollywood's most celebrated cinema, including dunkirk,

inception and the trilogy of batman films starring christian bale . that's the news. for the bale. that's the news. for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen right now or go to gb news .com/ alerts. >> thanks very much for that, poly >> thanks very much for that, poly and michelle dewberry. and i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside with my panel 7:00 tonight alongside with my panel. got the conservative panel. i've got the conservative parliamentary candidate for finchley green. finchley and golders green. that's alex dean and that's a mouthful. alex dean and the director of charity the director of the charity world. right kerry dingle. good evening to both. good evening to you. that's a slight change of title for you. thank you very much. >> proudly selected. >> proudly selected. >> well, i can tell you will >> well, i can tell you we will be talking in just a be talking politics in just a couple of minutes. labour today, they talk all about they want to talk all about levelling up. the tories want to talk all about angela rayner. we'll get into all of that and lots more tonight. do you feel like. i don't know how best to

explain it? almost like i feel like the fabric of society, the foundation of society, seems to be absolutely smashed at be getting absolutely smashed at the want to talk to the moment. i want to talk to you about crime and law and order. and what on earth do we do to try and restore some of it? and also what is causing some of disharmony, the some of the disharmony, the disruption of the disruption and some of the devastation happening disruption and some of the devastéour happening disruption and some of the devastéour communities? ing disruption and some of the devastéour communities? your among our communities? your thoughts that? i'll thoughts on all of that? i'll get it all more get through it all and more vaiews@gbnews.uk tom, is how you email me tonight. or you can tweet me at gb news. but of course, keir starmer. off he goes today, the launch of their local election campaign and our political editor, christopher herb , was there to talk to him. herb, was there to talk to him. let's listen to some of the things he has to say. >> you levelling up at you've announced that in dudley, boris johnson's idea, would you give him a job in labour him a job in a labour government? we an government? have we got an interesting appointment you? interesting appointment for you? >> not, >> no, definitely not, definitely not. i'll tell definitely not. and i'll tell you why. because levelling you for why. because levelling up as an idea, the sense that we need regional equality, is need more regional equality, is really . but in order

really important. but in order to make that work, you need a viable plan and you need to do the hard yards of implementing it. i'm afraid borisjohnson didn't do that. it. i'm afraid borisjohnson did see,) that. it. i'm afraid borisjohnson did see, this|t. it. i'm afraid borisjohnson did see, this whole notion of >> see, this whole notion of levelling up and we go round the houses with it, don't we, but i must confess, alex, i don't think any political party is serious about levelling up, because they were, i don't because if they were, i don't believe we would have such a kind of void, a difference between , let's just say the between, let's just say the nonh between, let's just say the north and i almost want to say the south, but really, what we mean is london, because that difference, that separation wouldn't have been allowed to, get and deeper over the get deeper and deeper over the decades like it if anyone decades like it has if anyone truly cared. >> there's of rural >> there's plenty of rural poverty in the english south. the south west has many patches of east anglia, of it. indeed, even east anglia, where hail from originally, where i hail from originally, has some. are pockets has has some. there are pockets of deprivation in london of real deprivation in london famously, but there is no doubt that london is the economic centre and powerhouse of our country and effectively economic activity. fans out from london and has done for several

generations. but i don't accept your premise that government doesn't take it seriously. governments of all stripes , governments of all stripes, labour coalition and conservatives have tried to do something about it. think of the hiving out of things like the passport agency and the dvla bits, discrete et bits of government that they can put somewhere else, or the creation of regional mayors and metro mayors forth. one can say mayors and so forth. one can say you didn't think of these you didn't think each of these were good ideas or not, but collectively they demonstrate governments have been trying to foster economic activity in different areas. london is london is stubbornly and persistently, you know, where people be. and the people want to be. and the economic of our our economic centre of our our country. but i think trying to level up is a good thing. as now the labour party taking a conservative party policy shows i'll come back to you with some feedback on that. >> but kerry, where are you on it, maybe i'm a bit more, more, more jaded than alex, because it does seem to me that it's all talk and very little talk and there's very little action. even keir starmer action. and even keir starmer taking boris johnson's idea or

whatever . what does it actually whatever. what does it actually entail? you know, you hear what he has to say, but where's the policy. where's the policies. you know, is he talking about massive housebuilding in the north, massive investment in new industries or energy in the north? no, we're not having any of it. so i just don't see what it means and all that. i'm afraid that that sunak has done is, again, more talk. we know that even in dudley, where keir launched his thing today , launched his thing today, there's been things like, you know, promised leisure centre , know, promised leisure centre, promised new bus station, but they haven't actually materialised . materialised. >> and transport is key because when you, obviously we're sitting in london and the transport links here are just i mean, when they're work, they're second to none. but you try and get from east to west or you try to go from wherever it could be. the transport is just not there. >> yeah, a few things on that. first of all, i thought that actually the, the public for

case hs3, the connected east west route was probably stronger than the case for the north—west hs2 and politically, i probably would have done them the other way round. i would have gone for hs3 first where there was more kind of universal support. but secondly, let's be honest about what's made hs2 so difficult. in part, because everyone part, it's because everyone insisted didn't want to see insisted they didn't want to see it they wanted dig up and it and they wanted to dig up and then over what most people then cover over what most people don't aren't bothered by, don't aren't that bothered by, which train line. which is sight of a train line. ask where they see ask the french where they see their going whizzing their tgv going whizzing through, or the the through, or the hs1. the eurostar flying them. eurostar go flying past them. they seeing it, but they don't mind seeing it, but there so resistance there was so much resistance from community community from community after community and willing and so many politicians willing on sides to give way to that on all sides to give way to that tendency we have tendency that we have quadrupled, quintupled the cost by it underneath by putting it underneath a juggernaut like juggernaut of a train like zipping through community, zipping through your community, your spent a good your hillside. i've spent a good amount of time in northern france, where hs1, now called the eurostar , goes past, and the eurostar, goes past, and then there are plenty of people who live in kent with the hs1

route, and it's actually not an unattractive thing. so you give you a straight answer. >> yes, i would, would you, would you at home want a high speed rail going your speed rail going through your community, your village, your, your wherever? your hillside, wherever? i wouldn't , kerry, well, when i wouldn't, kerry, well, when i grew there was a train line grew up, there was a train line went through the bottom of the field from our garden. and i just used to hide because it was terrifying. but in general, i'm a i'm pro the need for speed and for better infrastructure and whatever form it takes, i what i would say though, that on this keir's proposal seems to be mainly that he's going to hand devolve more power. you know, he's going hand more power he's going to hand more power power local councils, but power to local councils, but isn't city council isn't birmingham city council bust and what does it bust bankrupt and what does it hand more power mean if there's no investment ? no investment? >> so i the two troubles for me are the many local authorities don't use the powers they already have. and then second issue, which is again not a party political one because it's happened under governments of both stripes, is that we don't

fund local government to do what they've got responsible for already. just consider already. so if you just consider their responsibility social their responsibility for social care increasingly care and the increasingly elderly on state elderly and dependent on state population that we have, if you just took social care , many more just took social care, many more councils will go bust on current, time lines because they can't afford care for the can't afford to care for the residents they've and residents that they've got and are have. so we've are going to have. so we've systematically underfunded local government. it's a very unfashionable point because all of the political parties have loved centralise in loved to centralise control in westminster. for letting westminster. i'm all for letting local control things local governments control things , but you've got to give them the money to do it. >> so many of you have got in touch about this devolution, scenario, john says , michel, scenario, john says, michel, we need devolution, more. need less devolution, not more. you don't need any of it to enable levelling up. you just need competent to need a competent department to administer says, i'm administer it, and he says, i'm not that anyone even knew not sure that anyone even knew what levelling up meant. it's one those terms that people one of those terms that people say, you even explain say, but can you even explain what it actually means? how would define levelling up? alex. >> so there are economically, highly successful regions of the country, and there are some

areas which significantly need help in infrastructure and trans port support and other things too. but let's take those first too. but let's take those first to level them up rather than levelling down a community by taxing it more and saying you want less spending in, say, london, you want those other communities to see increased and improved activity improved economic activity and job opportunities. >> define >> how would you define levelling carrie levelling up? carrie >> well, i think i think alex is right on that. but what worries me is a kind share out the me is a kind of share out the misery approach , which when you misery approach, which when you know, if there isn't the funding, then what are we talking about? and i haven't seen from either, sunak or starmer a properly pro growth agenda which could change things and so what we're talking about here is it's all hot air. >> well, the case for economic stimulus by dint of tax cuts and so forth got rather lost in the coronavirus and post coronavirus period. so i accept that premise to a degree . but it's this to a degree. but it's this remarkable lack of imagination to my mind for the leader of the

opposition to say my, my policy is that which the government said last. but i just think i'd do it a bit better, you see, i would simplify it. it's me . would simplify it. it's me. levelling up means that somebody like that's from the north. like me, that's from the north. you don't have to choose. do i want to stay in my hometown and be with my family, or do i want to develop my career? you're able to develop your career. however you want to, in and around the area in which you live. and once you achieve that, then for me, you've sorted it. >> that's nice. and i'm definitely up for economic regeneration in parts the regeneration in parts of the country that not seen country that have not seen success same way success in the same way that london in of in terms london has in terms of in terms of activity, least of economic activity, at least there things wrong there are lots of things wrong with but in terms of with london. but in terms of economic activity, that's unarguable. but very unarguable. but it's very easy for in politics to agree for anyone in politics to agree with just said. with what you just said. michelle. do. michelle. i'm not sure i do. actually, in america, people often for jobs. they often move states for jobs. they go the side of the go to the other side of the country they find the country because they find the opportunity want. we have opportunity they want. we have constituencies next each constituencies next door to each other with one with other in the uk, with one with full and with full employment and one with high unemployment. high rates of unemployment. people uk won't move down

people in the uk won't move down the road for job, so i'm not the road for a job, so i'm not sure i to this. it's very sure i pander to this. it's very easy. don't agree with you, easy. i don't agree with you, but sure i'm moving but i'm not sure i'm moving around by choice to develop and advance but advance my career, but i absolutely resent having to leave my hometown in order to get anything. leave my hometown in order to get kind hing. leave my hometown in order to get kind of g. leave my hometown in order to get kind of like a decent job, >> kind of like a decent job, because literally there are none where i just want to where we're from. i just want to say in this letter, this article thing starmer and rayner thing that, starmer and rayner have written the have written, written in the times talk like times they talk about, like levelling up. and they say it's not about the cities, not just about the big cities, places like workington and hartlepool, thriving hartlepool, once a thriving local in local economies specialising in steel the steel and shipbuilding, the she goes about were they goes on about they were they were vital to the national economy a different economy with a different approach with focus on infrastructure and strategy. we can growth in towns can drive town growth in towns as well as cities. but i look at this and i think, what are you even talking about? because those industries were decimated decades had multiple decades ago. we've had multiple governments , some of governments since then, some of them labour. nobody cares. but one of the things i found interesting today that labour are going on about growth and the economy and all the rest of it, the tories seem to be

focusing in on angela rayner's capital gains tax and her, you know, whether she declared her address, rightly or wrongly, when she was trying to get elected . why? elected. why? >> well, i think it's perfectly reasonable to ask someone who wants control over wants to have control over housing policy, housing and taxation policy, whether their housing whether they got their housing and tax rules right when they last sold a house. i think that's fair, but i want to step back say, i mean this, this back and say, i mean this, this letter that they've written together pretending together so sweetly pretending that are on that starmer and rayner are on the page on stuff. remember the same page on stuff. remember he once to demote her and he once tried to demote her and wound sort of promoting her wound up sort of promoting her after set of after a disappointing set of local even local election might even have been seats been the last time. the seats we're see contested we're about to see contested come so things come, but come up. so things come, but maybe they've got a united front now behind now and they put it all behind them and they're going forward. >> that's nice. >> that's nice. >> page you were saying >> same page you were saying that were disappointed that you were disappointed because you weren't seeing because you you weren't seeing what local government, local levelling you. so levelling up meant to you. so who be really who should be really disappointed this? it's disappointed with this? it's real wingers. it's real left wingers. it's socialists i want my socialists who say i want my leadership tax the leadership to say, you tax the rich more, more distribution of wealth no sense wealth and there's no real sense of actual left wing here.

of the actual left wing here. i think if you were genuinely on the left, you'd be very disappointed with this. >> i just think many >> yeah, i just think too many towns failed towns and cities were failed when industries were when their core industries were absolutely when their core industries were absccared. no one cared. you had one cared. no one cared. you had employers employed the employers that employed the granddads, the dads, the sons, a whole generations of families, and they got removed. and all of the supply chains, all of the kind of ecosystem that went with it, just absolutely destroyed. and cities, and those towns and cities, they've never recovered. >> example of >> the biggest example of that were coal mines. you've got were the coal mines. you've got a would you want to go a son. would you want him to go down pits ? down the pits? >> would i want him to go down the pits? today's and the pits? in today's day and age? because society age? no, because society and technology has technology and everything has moved on. those days, in moved on. but in those days, in those day and ages, if that was the core, employer, if you remove that, you then have to be responsible for thinking , responsible for thinking, applying brain cells and coming up with alternate or helping somewhat with alternative employment opportunities. you can't just remove, for example, a coal mine or a shipbuilding or a coal mine or a shipbuilding or a steelworks and then just leave people. >> well, no, we have and no, i

think you're absolutely right. you know, 20,000 jobs went in 84. with the defeat of the miners strike. and in truth, there was no you know, the conservatives were very clear. they were going to shut this down. now everybody looks back and revises their thinking on this and said, oh, somehow, margaret thatcher was agreeing, which hilarious. but the in which is hilarious. but the in truth, you're completely right about devastation of about the devastation of industry in the north. and no, you know, they did just decimate jobs and never think about putting forward . an alternative putting forward. an alternative and where people are going to work. and now if we look at what starmer's got on offer and angela rayner, what are they talking other than green jobs? well, doesn't well, that doesn't mean shipbuilding decent shipbuilding or even decent infrastructure building. infrastructure or home building. what does it mean? >> well, don't know. what does >> well, i don't know. what does it how would you interpret it mean? how would you interpret it mean? how would you interpret it and how much faith it at home? and how much faith do politicians to do you have in politicians to actually fix some of these issues forward? bring issues going forward? i'll bring

you the conversation after you into the conversation after the i also want the break, but i also want to speak about the absolute speak to you about the absolute state of society and some of the goings on now, when it comes to crime and law and order, what

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry, and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me remain. alex dean and kerry dingle. welcome back. everybody lots of people getting in touch about this whole notion of levelling up. do we need it? what does it even mean? and crucially, will anyone actually really ever achieve it, terry in birmingham says to me, levelling up means any money spent around the country is equal rather than the lying. lion's share of spending goes to london. ultimately, he says, the same taxes. says, we all pay the same taxes. people in, in or around london, though, would argue that actually cost of everything actually the cost of everything in so much more in london is so much more expensive. one of my viewers.

i've just lost your name. you say that actually, you wish a big wall could be built around the m25 and everyone, and it could just have everything that they want to everyone they want to leave everyone else alone. you do alone. but what would you do about loss of taxes then? about the loss of taxes then? because don't forget, course because don't forget, of course london generate london does indeed generate a lot taxes. emily says lot of taxes. emily says michelle, watching your show michelle, i'm watching your show from i am from from germany, but i am from grimsby , she northeast grimsby, she says northeast lincolnshire. it lincolnshire. yes, i know it well. she says, like you, michelle, i had to, after university leave and she had to go and find a career overseas to get a better job with prospects. how do you feel about that, emily? are fine with that, emily? are you fine with that, or you feel a little bit or do you feel a little bit resentful that you had to choose between home, family, between your home, your family, and career? tell me, let's and your career? tell me, let's talk, though, shall crime? talk, though, shall we? crime? because seen over because you might have seen over the 48 hours, there have the last 48 hours, there have been horrendous , knife been some horrendous, knife attacks that centred around, train stations and indeed trains. you will have seen perhaps some of the videos i know we showed at least one of them on here. i've got to say, though, now arrests have been

made in both of these situations, so i can't get into the specifics now of those cases because of those legal scenarios now. but to talk broadly now. but i want to talk broadly about the absolute state of society moment, society at the moment, because it certainly like things it certainly feels like things have changed in recent have really changed in recent years. it seems that people are getting angry, more getting more angry, more aggressive. it feels like they seem to be getting more violent . seem to be getting more violent. there's a 78% increase in crimes involving knives as well over the next ten years, over the last, last ten years. yeah. gosh hopefully won't be getting worse over the next ten years. but unfortunately i suspect it will be. what do you think is to blame for this, alex. >> well, there's a small group of in society who commit of people in society who commit most of the crimes, and that's been for a very long time, been true for a very long time, if you find repeat offending, as a big feature in british criminal annals 100 years ago. so that aspect of, of british life hasn't changed that much. and part of the reason that you get stats like this unfashionable answer is that you

get more reporting of things, including people being stopped and searched, and you find that there's a knife there. so that accounts for part of the rise in the stats. but the reason it feels so different, i think beyond the statistics, is that people aren't. there are knives and and some of the and knives and some of the things people are carrying around these so—called zombie things people are carrying around are se so—called zombie things people are carrying around are se so terrifying, mbie knives are truly terrifying, sort to not that sort of short sword to not that short , sort of territory. short sword, sort of territory. and that, i think, is the, the biggest change what people are taking with them. people have always i mean, there's this euphemism in the criminal law of bladed which been bladed article, which has been used people can't get used so that people can't get away with something that isn't a knife but has an edge to it, be taking as a weapon with them. but these things are unambiguously only for one thing. those zombie knives are to harm for other to to just do harm for other to other people. that's their purpose. i'll come back to you in second. in a second. >> but, kerry, your thoughts, i don't think. i don't think that's quite right, alex. i mean, you're saying mean, what you're saying isn't wrong. it's just that it's not looking the specifics of now . looking at the specifics of now. and do think there's been a

and i do think there's been a shift over the last decade, maybe slightly longer in terms of how we see our fellow human beings . i of how we see our fellow human beings. i think we're of how we see our fellow human beings . i think we're living beings. i think we're living quite profoundly anti—human times, where we often see human beings, and we teach this to young people as a scourge on the planet. we have developed a real victim culture where you know, young men think that society has, you know, done terrible things to them and that can lead itself to a kind of grievance culture where you think it's okay, you know, i've society has done this to me. i'm getting my own back. and also a very narcissistic individualism, which means somebody nasty to you on social media. and you think it's all right to stab them. i mean, those things where we've picked up people's individual self—worth, self esteem, all this kind of, therapy culture. and i think it had this might be too abstract or too philosophical, but there are something broader underneath going on, which means we do not

respect our fellow human beings, and we think it's okay to commit and we think it's okay to commit a public act of stabbing. >> but you see, i don't think people care. so people are doing it now, like i can't. i'm desperately want to get into the videos that i saw, you know what i mean? but i can't really. but people are people are in broad daylight. they don't care who's watching. yeah. the don't care who's whether that's as who's around, whether that's as simple as emptying their, simple as their emptying their, you their supermarket you know, their supermarket shelves into carrier bags and they who's watching, they don't care who's watching, whether people, whether it's knifing people, nicking not bothered. >> i hate perform ative >> yeah i hate performative i think you're right. >> i think it's deliberately public. you know, it's not just they don't care that it's public. it's wilfully public. and i think that's shocking. yeah. >> so i hate that kind of behaviour too. but it is. look there is always there's no shortage of people willing to say society's gone to the dogs and there's usually some reward for it. but there is another side to the coin. british people i think, are nicer and kinder and gentler than your news headlines. i don't mean yours,

gb news. then. then people's news headlines might suggest, and i'll give you an example that i think demonstrates that we're about to have local elections . and then at some elections. and then at some point, probably almost certainly this we're going to have this year, we're going to have general elections, compare our politics to most people's. our politicians more open, politicians are still more open, more accessible, more, willing to have conversations with rightly willing to have conversations with their electors than most do with the price of fish. >> we're talking about crime. >> we're talking about crime. >> i but point that was >> i but the point that was being put to me was that society was increasingly atomised, and that were atavistic and that people were atavistic and selfish didn't care about selfish and didn't care about their woman. and selfish and didn't care about their think woman. and selfish and didn't care about their think that's woman. and selfish and didn't care about their think that's true. man. and selfish and didn't care about their think that's true. and. and i don't think that's true. and one of the symptoms of that was knife crime. and i accept knife crime. and i don't accept that premise. think that if that premise. i think that if you at grassroots you look at how grassroots politics in politics happens in this country, people know , country, people are, you know, events are open, they are polite. people are much more polite. people are much more polite in person than they are online. people, generally online. and people, generally speaking, about their speaking, care about their communities, not just about themselves. a and themselves. but there's a and that's great if everyone's nice and all those people and

and all those nice people and everyone's to each everyone's talking to each other, wonderful. >> drill down on >> but i want to drill down on the that coin, the flip side of that coin, where walking around where people are walking around thinking they can terrorise thinking that they can terrorise other whether their other people, whether it's their neighbours, it's neighbours, whether it's shopkeepers, it's shopkeepers, whether it's commuters and the commuters on the train and the tories , one of the one of the tories, one of the one of the key tenants of what was supposed to divide the tories and whoever else was. law and order. >> i agree that is a tenet of the conservative party, but i would say that the i was would say that the reason i was dwelling repeat crime is that dwelling on repeat crime is that most people do not behave like that. indeed, most people share your horror at that. what we do have do get the punishment have to do is get the punishment part right. part of the problem isn't longer sentences or isn't just longer sentences or that discussion. part of that kind of discussion. part of the problem people the problem is these people don't they'll get caught, don't think they'll get caught, right? and if you don't think you're face the you're going to ever face the ramifications of it, that's this is my point. if you don't think you're face any you're going to face any ramifications for activity, ramifications for your activity, then sentence be then what the sentence might be if doesn't actually if you do doesn't actually matter. me, i certainly matter. so for me, i certainly want to have more police on the streets. i want better funding and support for law and order in british society. but please,

let's pretend. let's not let's not pretend. let's not imagine suddenly everyone imagine that suddenly everyone in britain behaves like this. most people watching this at home, on streets home, most people on the streets in united kingdom are as in the united kingdom are as horrified are. horrified as you are. >> me, you guys watching at >> tell me, you guys watching at home, your areas where you live? do you think that things are changing? you feel safe where changing? do you feel safe where you live? if you had a matter of crime that involved you or a loved one or whatever, do you actually have faith and confidence that someone would come out and you? whether come out and help you? whether that's authorities, whether that's the authorities, whether it's neighbours or it's your fellow neighbours or community or whatever? tell me your sentiment on that. i just want make something clear as want to make something clear as well, because this is not just a london thing. i to stress well, because this is not just a lon rates1ing. i to stress well, because this is not just a lon rates ofg. i to stress well, because this is not just a lon rates of knife to stress well, because this is not just a lon rates of knife to byzss the rates of knife crime by police force so if you police force area. so if you look this per 100,000, look at this per 100,000, population , west midlands ranked population, west midlands ranked number one. that was the police force area that ranked number one for knife crime. cleveland second met police, third, south yorkshire fourth and greater manchester fifth. see, i just, i

feel like people will come out and i know you do a lot of work with young people, and after the break, i want to bring in the attitudes of going on at school and in the homes and all the rest of it, because teachers now are saying that actually the young but so many people will turn kerry and they'll turn around. kerry and they'll go, yeah, this is because you go, oh yeah, this is because you ain't got no youth clubs. people are machete in each are going around machete in each other taken other because you've taken the ping other because you've taken the ping tables what do ping pong tables away. what do you to that? you think to that? >> i think it's a complete >> i just think it's a complete nonsense and it's very tragic that that's what people will come they'll say they come outwith. they'll say they will insufficient will say there's insufficient police. it might be true in some areas in terms of physical presence . and they'll say it's presence. and they'll say it's lack clubs or it's lack of youth clubs or it's material deprivation in. so if you're poor, you stab people. what a load of rubbish. i mean, some people who commit these kind of atrocities are, you know, materially quite well off and flourishing. so i don't accept that, which is why i would go back to and it is a minority. alex i'm not saying, you know, all of society is full

of narcissistic murderers or anything like that , but there is anything like that, but there is anything like that, but there is a grievance culture. it is real. there is an entitlement culture which says, i've been, you know , which says, i've been, you know, done unto and therefore you deserve this. yes so there is those, those phenomena which allow for especially young men to do and, and get away . it to do and, and get away. it seems, with some of these horrific acts. yes and there is a failure of authority more broadly to stand up to them. and i think one of the problems that we've got is, you know, we can have another debate about , we've got is, you know, we can have another debate about, you know, the priorities of the police and what they're doing, because i think that leaves because i think that that leaves a to be desired when they're a lot to be desired when they're off somebody for their off chasing somebody for their tweet this kind of, tweet rather than this kind of, crime. but there is we also know that where you're if you're a shopkeeper or you're someone in a local community and you stood up . i know when i've stood up up. i know when i've stood up against kids who are talking rubbish or being quite vile, you

get i'm going to report you. >> yes, i, i understand and the householder who clocks the burglar has a non—trivial concern that he himself might be prosecuted. part of the trouble you're right, is that a generation has never heard. no, the never been the generation has never been told do something. i told you can't do something. i accept but there also accept that, but there is also a problem identity and problem about identity and people. to say that you people. we used to say that you don't judge by the don't judge people by the contents of their, but you judge people of their people by the content of their character, the colour of character, not the colour of their and this the their skin. and this is the first being told first generation being told that's case, that you do that's not the case, that you do forever by their foreverjudge people by their background. you grew up background. and if you grew up poon background. and if you grew up poor, that's forever poor, then that's forever an excuse behave any way that excuse to behave in any way that you and if you are this you like. and if you are this colour that colour, then you colour or that colour, then you can never escape your background. you'll always be judged that's the box judged by it. and that's the box you belong in. well, if that's what we tell people, then. then what? i do isn't actually to do with it's to do the with me. it's to do with the identity that i've got. not with me. it's to do with the ide| responsibility got. not with me. it's to do with the ide|responsibility that not with me. it's to do with the ide|responsibility that behave my responsibility that i behave badly. because of badly. i behave badly because of the i've been the disadvantages i've been given in society. and you're the people that told me that was the

case. >> that's a very good point. we'll continue this conversation after you after the break. you know, teachers are saying well teachers now are saying as well that kids, some are that kids, some of them are like as three and four, as young as three and four, spitting, swearing at teachers, getting assaulted. getting abused and assaulted. what's on? what is the what's going on? what is the root this? me your

hi there. michelle dewberry. tl7. conservative candidate for finchley and golders green. alex dean. alongside me is the director of the charity world. right, kerry dingle. welcome back everyone. we're just talking crime, john says talking about crime, john says michelle and social media michelle drugs and social media in his mind, are the biggest drivers of all crime . rebecca drivers of all crime. rebecca says, michelle, all of this stuff about doing crime in broad daylight simple. it's because daylight is simple. it's because we have police we do not have any police anywhere. rob says the uk is an angry place. it's lacking equality. we've got a big wealth gap, high taxes, lawlessness , gap, high taxes, lawlessness, fines for everything and anything. when you mix it all

together, what do you expect other than many violent people , other than many violent people, there you go, glenn says. i'm a born and bred londoner, and to i had move out because nowhere, he says, was i going to bring a family up in that place at all. although he does say he commutes, into london for work and escapes. end of the and escapes. at the end of the day. you mentioned social media, john.i day. you mentioned social media, john. i remember i had an john. i remember when i had an incident on a train. we discussed it on this program. someone who described as a mad someone who i described as a mad man threatening the man threatening all of the passengers. we were passengers. and we were terrified. was taken terrified. and then i was taken to this by to task. do you remember this by a councillor who said a labour councillor who said that wrong describe the that i was wrong to describe the perpetrator as a madman, because actually playing into actually i, it was playing into stereotypes for the perpetrators. and this is one of the things i think we've got wrong society. focus more wrong in society. we focus more on criminals. yeah, on offending criminals. yeah, than do, than what we actually do, helping are victims helping people that are victims of before work yeah. >> before i work out, yeah. before about you before i complain about you stabbing can you let me know stabbing me, can you let me know what pronouns are exactly? what your pronouns are exactly? >> anyway, be fair to that lady. you might remember she came >> anyway, be fair to that lady. yotthe ght remember she came >> anyway, be fair to that lady. yotthe show.�*nember she came >> anyway, be fair to that lady. yotthe show.�*neryou she came >> anyway, be fair to that lady. yotthe show.�*neryou remember?|e on the show. do you remember? anyway, want to bring anyway, i do just want to bring up a case. because, speaking of

crime, it quite crime, i find it quite upsetting, actually, police officers, they are trying now. they're the they're appealing for the public's i you all public's help. so i want you all to your eyes peeled, to get your eyes peeled, particularly you're anywhere to get your eyes peeled, partiihackney,you're anywhere to get your eyes peeled, partiihackney, a u're anywhere to get your eyes peeled, partiihackney, a van anywhere to get your eyes peeled, partiihackney, a van haswhere to get your eyes peeled, partiihackney, a van has been near hackney, a van has been stolen this is the registration plate. it's a ford plate. it's a it's a ford transit van. it's grey. the registration plate is b. i'm going to go all, thingy. bravo golf 72. whisky. bravo, tango. now, this is not any normal van. this is a little boys van. he's terminally ill, and this is what his family used to help transport him around . and, his transport him around. and, his mom says i'm appealing to everyone to keep an eye out. this is not just a vehicle. it's a lifeline. it's our road to freedom. without it, our poor boy cannot see in his final days. every day is an extension of his life, she says, and we thank god for them. but they need that vehicle back. keep your eyes peeled . i just think your eyes peeled. i just think people are just scum. sorry, i probably shouldn't be using

those i think those phrase, but i just think who who sits there steals a van, realises it's medical realises it's got some medical stuff keeps it dry. stuff in it and keeps it dry. who does that? >> yeah, i mean, i don't imagine they that was the case. >> and i'm not making excuses, realised alex. >> you'd soon realise that's true. >> but they then assuming that they would if they they would get caught if they took back, just dumped as took it back, just dumped it as i imagine. what? >> dump it and ring the police, then tell them it is then tell them where it is i follow. anyway, i'll get off my high 5 teachers have high horse. 1 in 5 teachers have apparently been hit pupils apparently been hit by pupils this apparently, at this year. apparently, kids at school, behaviour is school, their behaviour is getting worse and worse and worse. teachers are saying getting worse and worse and worsince teachers are saying getting worse and worse and worsince , teachers are saying getting worse and worse and worsince , covid.|ers are saying getting worse and worse and worsince , covid. parents saying it's since, covid. parents apparently are less tolerant and they've lost respect for school rules . what do you think's going rules. what do you think's going on, alex? >> both my parents are teachers, andifs >> both my parents are teachers, and it's a profession i greatly respect. and in another life, i might have gone into it myself , might have gone into it myself, tony blair was the master of talking about this because he presided over a large part of this cultural change, but nevertheless, what he said to michael howard over the despatch box this when you and i were

box was this when you and i were at school, if you got in trouble at school, if you got in trouble at school, if you got in trouble at school, you got in trouble at home. and that's true home. and that's not true anymore. and blair, because anymore. and you, blair, because he was it happening he was it was happening on blair's he blair's watch, basically. but he was still there was a real truth in that. and anything, it's in that. and if anything, it's got parents fear only got worse. parents fear not only if tell child that if they tell the child that they're wrong, the child's going if they tell the child that th

make up for social ills. so we've entirely instrumentalized education. it's supposed to now cure all social ills, but teachers now have to . do you teachers now have to. do you know all this? you know everything from teaching net zero to pronouns to critical race theory, you name it. instead of passing on the best of what is known in terms of knowledge , which is what we need knowledge, which is what we need them to do. sure, when they are given this huge thing to do and are also terrified of being disciplinarian, and we've seen that with, katharine birbalsingh and the michaelis school, where our discipline comes in and you lay a real foundation for kids to be independent and to think critically by being respectful and having greater communication. when that breaks down, you know, i don't see what kids are leaving school with. and it's a vicious circle. you know, the more you have a breakdown in authority, the more you have a breakdown in

discipline . the less kids go to discipline. the less kids go to school, the less they care about education, the more disrespectful and on. disrespectful and so on. >> but michelle, were asking >> but michelle, you were asking us why it's happening. >> one answer from kerry >> and one answer from kerry about covid try another about covid let me try another one, i think runs rather one, which i think runs rather deepen one, which i think runs rather deeper. people on the one hand say they're aghast at the collapse discipline in collapse of discipline in our schools. hand, schools. on the other hand, many people, same people, schools. on the other hand, many pe0jsay, same people, schools. on the other hand, many pe0jsay, you same people, schools. on the other hand, many pe0jsay, you know,1me people, schools. on the other hand, many pe0jsay, you know, it's people, schools. on the other hand, many pe0jsay, you know, it's wrongz, will say, you know, it's wrong to expel a child too quickly . to expel a child too quickly. you've got to give children every opportunity. and so first of all, there's not the short, sharp shock of the example to you a child misbehaved, you of a child who's misbehaved, being severely dealt with. but children are suspended again and again and again rather than finally expelled. finally being expelled. and within authorities, within their authorities, they will to every will often then go to every single school, every single mainstream before mainstream school, before finally up in a school finally they wind up in a school thatis finally they wind up in a school that is dedicated looking that is dedicated for looking after simply cannot be after those who simply cannot be disciplined. that disciplined. and you know, that is a big part the is a part, a big part of the disruption in school. >> i think you make a good point, my viewers says, point, one of my viewers says, david when david says, michelle, when you're crime, one you're talking about crime, one of here is our judges of the issues here is our judges that hand out very weak

sentences. the justice sentences. well, the justice secretary, actually saying, sentences. well, the justice secretarshould actually saying, sentences. well, the justice secretarshould havelly saying, sentences. well, the justice secretarshould have more/ing, sentences. well, the justice secretarshould have more open now we should have more open justice, have more justice, so we should have more publicly rulings publicly accessible rulings where you can basically be involved, see what's going on with immigration rulings and things like

hi there. michelle dewberry. alongside me. i've got the candidate. conservative candidate. conservative candidate for finchley and golders green, alex dean. and the director of the charity world. right, kerry dingle, lots of people say. michelle, the answer to many of these questions tonight is simple. a lack of discipline and says boundanes lack of discipline and says boundaries that is what's going on. we have no more boundaries in society, and without boundaries, society breaks down, she says . i was talking about she says. i was talking about law and order. one of my viewers earlier, david, was talking about the judges and the sentences that they dish out or lack of. some people might argue, anyway, now plans argue, well, anyway, now plans are considered the are being considered by the

ministry so that ministry of justice so that actually public and actually the public and journalists could potentially get to so—called get access to so—called secretive magistrates hearings. this would like this would be for stuff like non—payment of your tv licence, fines, whatever , but also fines, whatever, but also perhaps like immigration cases. alex. yeah, all speeding courts i've prosecuted in speeding courts where, you know, the door is closed and the atmosphere is slightly more relaxed and not the convictions are waved through. >> exactly. but you can process many dozen cases in an hour in a way that in an open court , going way that in an open court, going through a case with live evidence, you never could , i was evidence, you never could, i was in chambers briefly with the now lord chancellor . he's in chambers briefly with the now lord chancellor. he's an excellent lawyer. much better than i ever was. i think he's right to want this to happen. but of course, what he really means, it's not. it's not about things the speeding, fines things like the speeding, fines or licences. it's important , or tv licences. it's important, though, it's the really though, that is, it's the really eye stuff the eye catching stuff like the immigration rules. and i think people should see the principle of open justice is very important think, and important to me, i think, and i strongly support these reforms.

>> so a yes from you, kerry? >> so a yes from you, kerry? >> yes, they should absolutely be open. i'd say, you know, what is hide . and if it's is there to hide. and if it's just about process and speed, i don't think that's an excuse, given that there were half a million people convicted last year who didn't even enter a plea, you know, weren't even part happened behind part of it just happened behind their do know their backs. and i do know people who've been wrongfully convicted. well, there you go , convicted. well, there you go, would you support more open justice? a yes . from these justice? it's a yes. from these guys. is that a yes from from you at home. and you talk about process and speed, which leads me nicely onto artificial intelligence. i, what do you think so examples think to this? so many examples of but now research has of it now. but now research has come out saying that up to 8 million jobs could be lost. to ai. should we be worried about this then? alex or not? >> i will take some jobs and create opportunities elsewhere . create opportunities elsewhere. and a big slant of the report that we've seen from the ipr, it

suggests that people are more working class backgrounds than suggests that people are more workin their;s backgrounds than suggests that people are more workin their jobs. :kgrounds than suggests that people are more workin their jobs. actually; than to risk theirjobs. actually i think many artisanal and think that many artisanal and crafts based jobs are likely to survive far longer. it's survive for far longer. it's trainee lawyers to trainee lawyers who need to worry about their jobs, pasting precedents seeking precedents and seeking out material . those are the first material. those are the first jobs that are really going to be at risk. i think kerry , i think at risk. i think kerry, i think we should embrace ai. >> i think it's very, very exciting. and i think i think alex is right. i think the ipr is wrong. i think, you know, a huge number of working class people will be the ones who write the ai programs. ai is not, you know, some autonomous scary fi machine. these are scary sci fi machine. these are written us created us. written by us and created by us. and evolve new jobs and and will evolve new jobs and professions. and very excitingly, what excitingly, in terms of what it can offer, medicine , the jobs it can offer, medicine, the jobs it will lose are mostly you're kind of you know, data entry, data analysts, admin boring research. and i've used ai in film and video . and the real problem is video. and the real problem is that so far it's not that advanced. actually >> but one day it will be one

day of quality. >> it will be. >> it will be. >> it will be. >> it must i mean, potholes as well. there's been, robots develops as well. now that can actually go and fix potholes. i mean, that'd be good. everyone. yeah should be pleased about that, shouldn't they. what's this? what's this robot we're showing you on the screen? oh, this is apparently the pothole one. oh, there go. one. oh, yes. there you go. look, the pothole robot. look, this is the pothole robot. look, this is the pothole robot. look it looks like look at that. it looks like something that's been cobbled together year old. together by a five year old. >> it like a prototype. >> it looks like a prototype. see it? let's be fair. it looks like a it looks like a prototype. >> you are right. but i >> no, you are right. but i don't imagine the finished product. >> shall refrain from >> okay. i shall refrain from criticising modern technology because, let's face it, we could all with potholes, getting all do with potholes, getting repaired, are you repaired, couldn't we? are you excited energised ai, excited and energised about al, who's this saying about checkout staff? michael says what about checkout staff at supermarket? i used to be a checkout girl. actually, yes. self—checkouts now, many people do not like them. sean says the internet, smartphones, social media, they've had negative they've had so many negative unintended consequences . they've had so many negative unintended consequences. his

speaking of negativity, i was going try quickly, but going to try very quickly, but i don't think i've got time now to show a statue that's been show you a statue that's been erected of prince philip at cambridge. bring it up cambridge. can i bring it up quickly not? look this. quickly or not? look at this. people are in arms about it. people are up in arms about it. can you that? do you think can you see that? do you think that's a good statue? apparently it's been branded the worst even it's been branded the worst ever. prince philip statue. >> it's not very good, but we put worse things on the fourth plinth in trafalgar square every yeah >> this is very, very true, actually. >> yes, we do carry you an art lover. i am an art lover and i like abstract art. >> i just, like abstract art. >> ijust, i like abstract art. >> i just, i wouldn't know anything to do. >> how are you supposed to know that's prince philip? >> exactly. i wouldn't, i you know, abstract art is great, but don't call it prince philip. >> maybe, maybe, just >> then maybe, maybe, just maybe, not maybe, perhaps we're just not sophisticated enough to be able to look, that's to appreciate it, look, that's all we've got time for kerry. thank you for your company,

alex. thank you for yours, too. and very importantly, thank you for yours. don't go anywhere. nigel farage is up next for me tonight. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. very good evening to you. welcome to your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. there will be showers will still be some showers around weekend, around this weekend, but generally easter generally through the easter period. is going to be a bit period. it is going to be a bit dner period. it is going to be a bit drier and a warmer than it drier and a bit warmer than it has of late. low pressure has been of late. low pressure still in control like it has been through much of this week . been through much of this week. but the flow around the low is going to ease a little bit. so we will see our winds easing. that being said, through the end of today still quite blustery for some heavy, for many of us. some heavy, showery affecting northern showery rain affecting northern areas. a little bit areas. something a little bit dner areas. something a little bit drier clearer across central drier and clearer across central parts northern ireland. parts and also northern ireland. here clear skies could here under the clear skies could see touch frost and perhaps see a touch of frost and perhaps even pockets of mist and even a few pockets of mist and fog elsewhere, where we stick

with the cloud and the showery rain it is going. with the cloud and the showery rain it is going . to be a milder rain it is going. to be a milder start to good friday otherwise, and as we go through good friday itself, yes, a bit of brightness and some dry weather around at first, but still outbreaks of showery rain and a greater chance catching some showers chance of catching some showers as the afternoon. as we go into the afternoon. potential showers potential for some showers turning even turning heavy, possibly even thundery . some hail, but thundery with. some hail, but there should be some bright sunny spells in between the showers and temperatures

gb news. >> good evening. well, it's stabbings. it's violence and i'm wondering, are you now getting scared to go out on the train on the underground? and what can be

done? we have a townhouse exclusive. tired of putting cross—channel migrants in hotels. they're now going for brand new three bedroom townhouses. and joining me on talking pints. nicholas danes has been in batman, harry potter , star wars, mission impossible. i got to tell you, i've never actually met met ever a real life stuntman in my life. i'm looking forward to that segment that's on talking pints. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the newsroom tonight is from london, where police have arrested a man in his 30s in connection with a double stabbing at kennington tube station. and that comes after another man was also arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. after a separate stabbing on a london train. footage of that incident, shared on social media, showed a masked man attacking someone with a large

knife, as passengers