to a conservative mp, defects to laboun a conservative mp, defects to labour, but the tories can still win. >> the scottish greens are more interested in trans and kids than the supposed climate emergency. our asylum system is nuttier than any mental asylum . nuttier than any mental asylum. >> are we expecting too much of our cancer stricken king? and as a mega poll puts donald trump behind joe biden, is maga going down? >> it's 6 pm. and this is the saturday five. a very good evening, folks. to you at home. now, if you like calm, considered and reflective debate where mature and responsible adults discuss the issues of the day, i'm afraid question time is having the night off. if you prefer watching five egotistic know it alls hurling abuse at each other. welcome along to the saturday five. delighted to have your company know i'll be this week, unfortunately. but ben leo

and benjamin butterworth are on duty as usual, and we're also joined by the brilliant political commentator chloe dobbs and former tory advisor charlie rowley, who knows a sinking ship when he sees one and now works as a commentator and now works as a commentator and broadcast for himself. and of course, we want to know your views as well . send your views views as well. send your views and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay don't forget, we need all your questions for ask the five as well. but before we start tearing each other apart, it's time for your saturday night news with ray addison . news with ray addison. >> thanks, darren. good evening. our top stories tonight. and we start with that breaking, developing story . conservative developing story. conservative mp doctor dan poulter, as we've been hearing, has defected to laboun been hearing, has defected to labour. announcing his decision in the observer newspaper, the former health minister said it was abundantly clear that the labour party alone has the will

and the trust to restore and reform the nhs. he's also urging rishi sunak to call a general election as soon as possible. doctor poulter, who represents central suffolk and north ipswich, will be resigning as a tory mp and taking the labour whip until the next election. labour leader sir keir starmer described the news as fantastic . described the news as fantastic. well, the prime minister says a recent influx of migrants into ireland shows that tarrant effect of his rwanda plan is working. the comment comes after deputy irish premier micheal martin said the uk's asylum policy is driving migrants from northern ireland into the republic. northern ireland into the repubuc.the northern ireland into the republic. the government wants to send asylum seekers on a one way flight to the east african nation. rishi sunak says the scheme is having an impact because people are worried about coming to the uk. because people are worried about coming to the uk . two men have coming to the uk. two men have been arrested at a pro—palestine protest in london. police say one was holding a placard with a swastika and the other made a

racist remark towards counter—protesters. the event, which was organised by the palestine solidarity campaign, was calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. part of the march route took it past a fixed pro—israeli demonstration on pall mall. earlier another demonstration organised by the campaign against anti—semitism was cancelled. organisers there saying that the safety of jews was at risk . well up to 50 was at risk. well up to 50 migrants have been rescued in a dramatic race against the tide after their boat ran aground on after their boat ran aground on a sandbank off the kent coast. gb news captured this exclusive footage of those migrants arriving. the incident happened this morning on goodwin sands. no one is thought to have been injured and gb news can now reveal that more than 350 migrants have crossed the channel illegally today. in seven small boats . humza yousaf seven small boats. humza yousaf is asking leaders of rival parties to find so—called common ground, with the snp . as his

ground, with the snp. as his leadership hangs in the balance, he's inviting them to talks at his official residence to see how they can work with his minority government. the scottish first minister says he won't resign ahead of a crunch vote on his leadership. next week comes after the collapse of the snp's power sharing deal with the greens last thursday. more than 20 sexual predators have been jailed for exploiting young girls in west yorkshire involving abuse. described as abhorrent in the extreme, 24 men have been sent down for a total of 346 years as part of operation torbay by west yorkshire police's investigation into the rape , sexual abuse and into the rape, sexual abuse and trafficking of eight girls between 1999 and 2012. four of the men received sentences of more than 20 years. preparations are underway to establish a floating pier to allow more humanitarian aid into gaza. footage has been released showing work by the idf and the

ministry of defence to receive it . a 67 acre plot has been it. a 67 acre plot has been allocated to allow the passage of large amounts of goods. the pier itself is being built by the united states , and finally, the united states, and finally, a british tourist is in intensive care after being attacked by a shark in the canbbean attacked by a shark in the caribbean yesterday morning. 64 year old said to be stable despite serious injuries to his left arm, left leg and stomach . left arm, left leg and stomach. the attack happened at turtle beach along great call and bay in trinidad and tobago. foreign office says it's supporting the victim's family. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts. how do you do that? well scan the qr code. it's on your screen right now or go to gb news .com/ alerts. now back to the saturday five. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes and i can promise that you're in for a

very lively couple of hours. let's crack on with tonight's first debate. i'm going to kick us off with something that i'm sure is concerning everyone. a moroccan bloke slips into hartlepool and decides that it's the perfect stage for a total horror show. a local septuagenarian, a bloke in his 70s collecting his pension, becomes the unwitting star of this terrorist tirade. he committed a european tour, complete with rejections from both finland and germany, until he saunters into britain unasked in 2020. and guess what? we in britain like mugs, let him stay. we give him a bed, we give him board, we give him benefits in hartlepool and a north—east man lost his life as a consequence. here we are, his life snuffed out by islamism and the media, frankly, is about as silent as the g in lasagne. and meanwhile another secret sanctuary lands here. and before you know it, he's sporting one of those hamas headbands like it's the latest must have from a fashion

website. it's a really bleak picture. i think, as as we see the likes of jacob rees—mogg being swarmed by pro—palestine protesters, the left has taken a really dangerous dalliance with extremism and islamism . while extremism and islamism. while our country's alarm bells are being utterly censored on this and we simply can't talk about it. so i want to know when the reality check is going to bounce. chloe when will it bounce? >>i bounce? >> i feel like it's never going to bounce because it seems like no matter how many of these horrifying stories we get of people who have come here illegally doing horrifying things to people in this country, people don't seem to care and the boats don't seem to stop. it goes on and on. this comes in the same week that we've had the news of the tunisian migrant being found guilty of wearing that headband in support of hamas. how? what kind of culture are we importing into this country? it has to end. and this individual said that they were going to kill thousands more if they had a

machine gun, and that he would have stabbed even more people if the knife hadn't cut his hand whilst he was stabbing this pensioner. so it could have been a lot worse than it already is. ben. >> leo, do you think actually that the likes of germany being able to say no, thank you, goodbye. does it suggest that actually we are an outlier within europe for allowing some of the worst vestiges of humanity to stay here on our taxpayer dime ? taxpayer dime? >> very eloquently put, sir. yeah. look, i don't know what's going on. i don't think there's the political will to sort this out because not only have the tories allowed insane amounts of legal migration, 700,000 over the course of a couple of years , the course of a couple of years, they also can't stop dinghies crossing the channel just flimsy inflatable dinghies. we used to rule the waves. rule britannia. we conquered the world with our navy. and now we can't stop some dinghies from the local tesco in calais. coming over to me, it's very, very bizarre. in actual

fact, it's so incompetent. it does make me wonder sometimes whether it's , you know, whether it's, you know, intentional in some way. because if you really wanted to stop the boats, all you have to do is adopt. and i've been saying it for weeks, is adopt the policy of australia, which has turned them back, put them into a very safe lifeboat style vessels. and you can do that. people can say you can do that. people can say you can't do it under the echr you can't do it under the echr you can't do it under the echr you can do it under the united nafions you can do it under the united nations law of the seas, article 25 you're stopping a boat. a boat's innocent passage. if it's deemed to be a threat to national security. so you can do it. there's just not the political will. and as i said, because they haven't done it and because they haven't done it and because of their behaviour, the governments behaviour with legal migration, it makes me think they don't really care about it. >> before i bring in the compassion crazy in that side of the room, i want to go to the conservative in the room. now 14 years of conservative government and this is just getting worse and this is just getting worse and worse, isn't it? and people are. that's why people are tearing their hair out. >> well, there's been a long standing commitment to bringing immigration down from the

hundreds of thousands to the tens of thousands. that is that is that was a day off. it was a david cameron. that was a david cameron headline. it's not a comedy show. that was a david cameron pledge. and look, it's absolutely right that we need to control immigration into our country, particularly illegal migration. but the key point is making sure that people, these awful people, particularly that story that you've just talked about, we heard another story. it was abdul ezedi that clapham killer, horrifying events that take place, people that should not be allowed alkaline attack . not be allowed alkaline attack. exactly. so. and but people that shouldn't be in this country who are allowed in should not be happening. and that guy was rejected on two accounts, two counts previously , then became a counts previously, then became a born again christian and used that as leverage to get into the country. >> and sorry, you sound like every time politician over the past ten years you say all the right things, but ultimately it's hot air. it doesn't mean anything and all that happens is more people lose their lives. communities continue getting dismantled and, disenchanted with each other. you know, you say the right things, but you're

not trusted anymore. you and your ilk and your party are not trusted. >> it's been going on for years. and look, john reid was the labour home secretary who said the home office wasn't fit for purpose. it's still clearly hasn't been looked at properly. it still hasn't got its act together. and i don't think i don't think it's an endorsement to say that after 14 years of power with a great majority at the moment, that you've done nothing to fix a problem that was highlighted in, i think, 2006. well, i this government, i can assure you, because i worked in it for a temporary amount of time, that, you know, it's done more than any other to try and get immigration under control. the figures are worse than ever. charlie has done. >> it has done illegal migration. >> it has done more than most. and rishi sunak should be credited. charlie, you done well i >> -- >> some evidence. >> some evidence. >> well, they've made sure that people that are bringing in, partners. if you were studying in the uk universities that is being curtailed. there is a point based system now in terms of getting into the to the uk before the election, though, it is it is something, you know, lots of things have been taking place and these are just two examples, charlie, you might

have been in the government, but nothing's worked. >> that's what's evident. you know, i don't accept what darren says. where he says rather unfairly, this is a failure of the left. the tories are in power and have been for a long time. >> it was. it was your man who started it. >> started? no. hang on. they were the problem of the boats was not only not happening under the last labour government, it was a problem in trucks, which they managed to pretty clearly solve the numbers crashed down for the number of people hiding in things like trucks and lorries and vans by new technology. as david cameron, the foreign secretary, said earlier this week, one of the reasons that we can't do what ben says, which is to just send them back and france accept that is because we have no agreement with france. when we were in the eu, there was an agreement, so we could turn the boats back. brexit has caused this problem half a billion. >> we've sent half £1 billion to france. we do have an arrangement with france, but that doesn't mean that they have to take all the boats turned back. explain to me why ireland and eu member is turning round and eu member is turning round and saying it's we're getting an influx of migration to this country and it's britain's fault they're in the eu . why can they

they're in the eu. why can they not send them back to france? >> it was the foreign secretary. well, first of all, it's quite far. i think that might be from ireland. i think that's not that far. i think that might be a bit less practical than the channel which is the busiest area where they have a fairly short distance to go. but the foreign secretary himself said that we gave up that agreement when we left the eu. that's why it wasn't the scale of the problem before. and the second thing to say is that this fella was here illegally. that was known. and the reason he was still here was because we have this enormous backlog dealing with migration cases, because you haven't hired enough people to deal with it. >> response to that is to say, come one, come all free and safe routes. it comes. >> stop talking about labour blaming labour. the tories have beenin blaming labour. the tories have been in power for 14 years, some of that in a coalition. stop talking about labour all the time. i'm saying labour aren't evenin time. i'm saying labour aren't even in power at the moment. >> their solution to the problem? >> who cares what their solution is? >> well, because they can't form a government, they can't be any worse. i think it's pretty important. >> cannot be any worse than the conservatives >> oh please. i've absolutely can be. promise you that,

charlie. >> well, i'll tell you what. >> well, i'll tell you what. >> the last time, last time labour was in power migration was a third of what it is today. right. >> okay. who's going to go next then? >> well, let me take this up because i think it continues the mounting defence for rishi sunak because despite the breaking news this evening of a conservative mp defecting to the labour party, a small westminster bubble story. this is something that will not deter the conservatives for continuing the conservatives for continuing the fight to go on and win the next general election. this is the comeback for the conservatives. it's a rishi revival, spending 2.5% of gdp on our defence by 2030. that is something that is tickle the cockles of every conservative support, including myself . it's support, including myself. it's a week where he has got through his flagship bill, his policy to stop the boats through the rwanda policy, a deterrent that will address some of the issues not in total, but will help to stop those boats coming over because it is a deterrent. that's the point of the policy, and you will just see from next week and the week after next a succession of policies, i'm sure, and announcements coming from the government, from coming from the government, from coming from rishi sunak to make sure

that he is delivering on those priorities that he said he was going to do, that's inflation coming down, that's growing the economy that is dealing with the backlog in the nhs and that is stopping charlie. that's enough. and that is why the conservatives are still in the fight. >> so he can't meet. >>— >> so he can't meet. >> do we have actual the dan poulter speaking , to the beeb . poulter speaking, to the beeb. >> the party he was elected into valued public services. it valued public services. it valued it had a compassionate view about supporting the more disadvantaged in society, i think the conservative party today is in a very different place. it's focus is not on delivering or supporting high quality public services. >> well, i'll tell you what. rat down a drain pipe springs to mind for me, because clearly he's getting on aboard the labour boat before the tory one goes, doolally. and down the plughole , i'm afraid. plughole, i'm afraid. >> well, i don't think it will go down, but, i mean, i struggle when i hear dan say that because i think you struggle a lot. it's

unden i think you struggle a lot. it's under. it's under this guy. i struggle with you. but i think, look, it's under this government that it's dealt with some of the backlogs, backlogs in the nhs. okay. it's a government that has invested more than ever before invested more than ever before in the nhs. it's got another it's got another 75 word work workforce plan that announced in november of this year. it is. do we want this more than any other government to help the nhs. >> look, the fact is that there is someone who has given much of his life to the tory party, just like you do, except he actually managed to get a seat and he is saying there that he can't look his constituents in the eyes. i think he says he's a doctor and he knows how bad the nhs has got, and that he can't justify it to himself. and so that's why he switched sides. do you not think that, do you not think that it tells an incredible story when someone who has given decades of their life to the conservative party and the conservative cause, sees that party as failing his own, why didn't he? >> why didn't he do that years ago? why now? months before an election when he's at risk of losing his seat? there's absolutely zero integrity from that chap. i'm sure he's a

perfectly nice hang on. but months before an election, you bail, you turn into from a conservative into a socialist labour supporter. that is ridiculous . labour supporter. that is ridiculous. i don't labour supporter. that is ridiculous . i don't believe you ridiculous. i don't believe you can change mindsets just like that. he is. he is absolutely taking the mickey doing it months before. >> i think he's following what most people in the country are doing. >> if he had it, if he had any integrity, he would have gone years and years ago. and by the way, charlie, you sound like comical ali from the iraq war. everything's fine. the tanks are rolling in behind us. baghdad is absolutely in ruins. and you're standing there saying everything's fine. the tories are bouncing back, defence, saying everything. >> i'm not saying everything. you are. i'm not saying everything's fine. there are clearly huge issues and challenges in the country. covid was one of those and it was under this prime minister who was the chancellor, who locked the country down, who invested more than ever in the nhs to protect people's lives and livelihoods. now there's a bill to pay for that. it's £400 billion bill, as you were just saying, that needs to be paid for. that's why you can you can only pay for that if you have a strong economy. but you also need then we haven't got a strong economy. >> it's growing at 0.1. inflation is coming down. trust. yes. >> but you you wouldn't be

growing the economy if you didn't take the policies and the approach that rishi sunak has taken. >> i'm sorry charlie, you and your party have consigned this country to five, ten years of labour and it's unforgivable with the majority you had in 2019, it's just totally incompetent. >> sunak has been, busy, running, but i'm not sure it's running, but i'm not sure it's running for election. >> morning. how are you? >> morning. how are you? >> i'm good. how are you doing? >> i'm good. how are you doing? >> very nicely. i'm glad you're wearing a long sleeve as well. i got into running. yeah well, properly, when, i was at graduate school. yeah, and i took up running because my wife was a big runner. yeah but we weren't together at the time. i thought i was trying to impress her right now. >> i think that's actually quite a nice video. i think rishi sunak comes across. well, i, you know, i'm delighted for him in that sense, but . that sense, but. >> and for those who don't know, the thing that was the hardest geezer who crossed africa. yeah, exactly. so has been pretty heroic to lots of people. so he's clearly trying to get that association, which sounds from your neck of the woods. >> he's from west sussex. yeah, he lives in my town. he's friends with a couple of my friends. he's a very good chap. i mean, i quite liked that bit

of content from rishi sunak. i think that on, on a social media level and the content he's producing, it's pretty good. but yeah, i do feel like rishi sunak is putting all his work at the moment into trying to look like a cool guy who's down with the kids when actually people just want someone who is competent. and actually i quite, i quite like rishi sunak. i think he seems like a perfectly decent, capable guy. and in that video, if you watched the extended version, he talks about his hindu faith and something called dharma, which is connected with his faith, and he says that as long as i can look myself in the mirror after a long jeffrey or jeffrey dahmer, oh oh, that's worse than my mental asylum joke , now, do you, do you actually think, though, that rishi sunak should be running a sort of silicon valley company as opposed to, you know, probably, i mean, wearing sambas with your suit and, you know, all this kind of social media stuff. >> that's probably what he's angung >> that's probably what he's angling for because he knows his time is up. i'm sure he's a perfectly nice guy. he seems like a good family man. but all this stuff, all these great policies, the defence policy is great. everything else, it's far

too late. you should have listened to your members years ago when they wanted your retention. instead, you ignored them. you. i was about to say something, how can i phrase this in a his com. but he's not viable way. he threw up the wall. well, the majority he's not been. he stabbed boris in the back. >> he's been prime minister for not even two years. and i think he came in at a time where it was obviously very, very difficult. he's a man that, as you were saying, nobody. i don't think people dislike rishi sunak. i think people would rather have him around their table, their dinner table for a night out than they would. sir keir starmer. boring snoring starmer? i'd say so. i think it's probably believe how much you are defending a guy who can only meet one out of five of his priorities, most of which is supposedly down to the bank of england. >> this defence stuff that you're saying is a win for sunak. it really is too little, too late. we had a he had a perfect opportunity at the spnng perfect opportunity at the spring budget to bring up defence, which everyone was expecting. didn't say anything, just came up with some fake tax cuts, tried to trick us into think that we're going to end up with more money in our pockets. but actually we because of fiscal drag, that's not the

case. so it was a rubbish budget. he had a good opportunity there to do something good. he didn't. it's only now at the last minute that he's decided to say, oh, actually we'll put a date on it and say 2030 rather than say when economic conditions allow as they did before, which was just ridiculous. well, i think probably at the time of the budget, you know, it was still maybe being worked out. >> it wouldn't have been ready in time. he's someone that isn't going to take a risk with the people's economy. he's not going to take a risk with people's finances. and so i think he was waiting for the perfect time to make that announcement, which was obviously last week with nato, with the nato general secretary, to say that the uk is able to spend that money because of the way in which he's run the economy, our country and society is fragmented like i've never seen before. >> and a lot of older people say the same thing. and that's down to the tories. and it is unforgivable. well, it won't be. >> well, it won't be pretty well if you think it's going to be repaired by voting for the labour party or reform, then you know, that's for the birds. >> well, it would just be nice to have the chance to vote. we're all waiting for him to tell us. >> okay. 7000 migrants across the channel so far this year, 350 of them across today. mark white says from gb news. so, you know, that pledge is somewhat

snookered. but still to come tonight humza yousaf talking about a man that snookered. he's taken all the flak. but is it the scottish greens who've really lost the plot? we'll find out. plus are we asking too much of his majesty the king? but next, his legal troubles mount. joe biden agrees to debate trump and the poles head towards the democrats. is it all going wrong for president trump ? you're with for president trump? you're with the saturday vie live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always. thank you very much for all of your interactions about tonight's topics. darren. that's a good name. he writes, although we kind of agree. why is a moroccan claiming asylum? it's an utter joke. the government are accountable and the family should sue the government. that's the family of the pensioner that was very sadly killed. robert says tell your panel to stop taking political

sides. talk about what works for britain and not who said what. and matthew says the conservatives are rotten to the core . the more that cross over core. the more that cross over to labour, the better . well, now to labour, the better. well, now it's to labour, the better. well, now wsfime to labour, the better. well, now it's time for our next debate. who's going next? >> well, unfortunately it's me , >> well, unfortunately it's me, so we're going to talk about the donald. now, there's one thing that people always take sides on. speaking of that, viewers email. so this week, a mega poll across the us has found that biden is edging trump and is now just in the lead on course to win the us election. he's going to flip the state of pennsylvania, which is the only marginal state that he would need to win. and steve bannon, who is the guy who's behind the maga movement, make america great again behind breitbart. he's given donald trump some advice. he says, if you want to win america, then you need to stop talking about your hush money court cases and start talking about joe biden. and

then today, joe biden said that he's ready to take on donald trump. so it's all getting pretty serious in the us now. i don't know what you guys think. i suspect you disagree with me, but i think one, i want joe biden to be a two term us president . and two, i bet i was president. and two, i bet i was going to say my house, i don't own one. i bet my rent that joe biden is going to be re—elected. ben, you you adore donald trump, right? >> fake news, fake news polling. >> fake news, fake news polling. >> don't believe the polls 2016. they said hillary had a 99% chance of winning. who won? donald trump 2016, they said remain would win the referendum . remain would win the referendum. who won leave 2019? they said that boris johnson wouldn't get a majority. >> they didn't say that. >> they didn't say that. >> what happened? yes they did. >> what happened? yes they did. >> they really didn't. boris johnson was expected quite clearly to win that election. >> i beg my pardon. theresa may. theresa may. the polls are fake news. they're run by fake news polling companies. they're all in bed with the left wing media, trump is going to walk the election. no problem, people. the maga base don't particularly

care about trump's court cases. they know they're frivolous , they know they're frivolous, they are politically motivated by corrupt democrat das in new york, alvin bragg, so , yeah, york, alvin bragg, so, yeah, nothing to worry about. it's fine. trump is heading back to the white house baby. >> okay. what is your evidence for that argument? pardon what's your evidence? >> what's your evidence that pollings are out? >> well, i can give that, but you just put your assertion where where is the indication? i've just giving you examples of polls being wrong in the past. >> polls are always wrong. name me a poll that's ever been right. >> the vast majority of polls are absolutely right. okay. and i would just point out that i think i've just given you some very good examples of the biggest votes in the history of, you know, recent decades. >> and they were wrong. you haven't wrong because i did brexit, trump. the referendum. >> because the fact is that that election that base those trump hardcore people, they are nowhere near enough to win the election. right? that's how it works in all elections . i mean, works in all elections. i mean, chloe, obviously one of the main things that he's been criticised for is his attitude to women. so he's currently in court because

stormy daniels, a adult performer , has said that she was performer, has said that she was paid hush money to not talk about an encounter she had with donald trump and that that broke election rules. how do you feel as a woman on the right? would you be happy to have donald trump? >> i would be happy to have donald trump. i think that the metoo culture has gone too far. now. we will see what happens with this case. >> exactly how many rapes can a us. president commit before it's too far? >> oh, for goodness sake. >> oh, for goodness sake. >> that's what's that's what he's heavily accused. >> we live in a world where if a man breathes on a woman, they're accused of rape, and it's just absolutely ridiculous . but, you absolutely ridiculous. but, you know, going back to this idea that there's just, a small, hard core trump of nutters who a hard core trump of nutters who a hard core group of nutters that would vote for trump. i think that's really disingenuous to people to suggest that, you know, just like here we say, oh, those evil tories. it'sjust like here we say, oh, those evil tories. it's just a tiny number. >> but it is it is quite tiny at the moment , to be fair. the moment, to be fair. >> but generally speaking, we have this this silent tory

people are so scared to say that they're tory, that then the polls suggest that the tories will lose and they'll always, they always do better than the polls suggest, as as ben has pointed out. right. so i think to suggest that obviously trump won an election in the past that shows you that there are a significant number of people who support him. i think that he will do better than the polls suggest. if it's showing that biden has a tiny majority at the moment, i would think trump would win if it showed that biden was miles and miles ahead, then fine. i'll say, okay, that poll will probably be true. >> okay. but let me say two things right. one is that incumbents always are in a worse position at this point. so the chances are is illustrated more in us elections than even uk elections. the incumbent sees a much bigger gain as you get closer to election day than the opposition. that happens quite consistently. so if he's slightly ahead now, that's a better than average sign. the second thing i'd say, and this is my hypothesis, that you can clip this up and put it on in november when we get to the election. i think the opposite of 2016 is happening. people are

under marking joe biden's ability to win. they think it's the clever thing to say, oh, trump's the underdog, but he's going to win to make up for the mistakes that mainstream media definitely made in 2016. because biden beat trump by 8 million votes just four years ago. how many? three and a half years ago. and there is no evidence that there's been a big shift. i mean, among undecided kids. but look, charlie, you've worked in a government that actually had to liaise with donald trump. what did you make of him having seen a bit of it on the inside? >> well, i had no liaison at all with donald trump. not like stormy daniels. thank you very much . but, you know, i do agree much. but, you know, i do agree with ben. ben, leo, look, the polls are always going to be difficult . they're always going difficult. they're always going to narrow, as you were saying, benjamin. i mean, i still can't get over the poll that took place in the i think it was the early 90s, late 2000 where gareth gates didn't win pop idol. i mean, that's still a scandal . burned brightly in your scandal. burned brightly in your mind is an absolute william young, will young should have won that, hands down. but to

take it back to your series point is that you need to, you work with whoever is the president of the united states. they're our biggest ally. they're our biggest ally. they're our biggest partner. and, you know, the donald is a particular character that did have many achievements on the international stage. he got other people within the nato to commit more defence spending . he commit more defence spending. he was very, very tough on russia, very , very tough on syria, very, very, very tough on syria, very, very, very tough on syria, very, very tough in north korea. so, you know, you can't write him off in totality. and i think , as off in totality. and i think, as chloe was saying, there is a silent majority and i think there are a lot of silent conservatives out there that will come out and vote conservatives. i think there are a lot of silent trump supporters that will go and vote for donald trump, because they're too polite to say that joe biden's beyond his sell by date. >> okay, that's the thing. >> okay, that's the thing. >> that's what's really changed because people like you hold them down and say that they're racists or fascists, or they're supporting this big, evil tyrant, and they feel too scared to tell a pollster that actually. oh, yeah, i'm going to vote for the big nasty. >> so why did he lose by 8 million votes three and a half years? >> he also got the highest that

a president has ever received. >> he also lost by the biggest margin in history. >> so why did he beat hillary clinton? >> well, i mean, she got 3 million more votes than him. >> he was the best thing since sliced bread. >> you were blessed with that over the past four years. >> isjoe biden's age over the past four years. >> is joe biden's age has really shown my biggest qualm with joe biden is the fact that he clearly is an elderly man with memory issues, three years older than donald trump. he's not the one running the country. i don't think that's democratic. if we don't actually know who's running the show, because he's just stood there with some notes which tell you, sit down, take a seat, say thank you . you saw him seat, say thank you. you saw him reading off a teleprompter the other day. he said, pause at the bottom of the teleprompter. he read that part out loud because his i mean, donald trump last week referred to barack obama as the incumbent president. >> i think, frankly, both of them are over the hill and showing serious signs of mental decline . you've seen so many decline. you've seen so many examples. donald trump fell asleep twice during his court hearings, as it was reported. so i think that's a pretty bad sign i >> -- >> well, emma >> well, they are quite boring here. >> okay. i mean, benjamin, i think to suggest that you'll be

cupped think to suggest that you'll be clipped up and shown in november, it's a very optimistic way of assuming that this show will, of course, still be on the airwaves , but still ahead as the airwaves, but still ahead as the king returns to public facing duties, do we ask too much of the royal family? should a man who's enduring cancer really have to come back at this juncture , our ben neil will juncture, our ben neil will discuss. you're with the saturday five live on

gb news. welcome back to the start of day five. as always, thank you very much for all of your comments about tonight's topics. james keepsit about tonight's topics. james keeps it short and sweet. he says biden is a hologram of benjamin . oh, well, you have benjamin. oh, well, you have aged and bill says darren, you all keep saying the polls say this and that. i'm 70 years young and never been asked my opinion by the polls. >> amen. >> amen. >> jim says biden has been on

the wrong side of history for 40 years. not all of the people particularly like trump, but they know that he gets things done and will happily vote for him , well, yes we will. we shall him, well, yes we will. we shall see, of course, because this is going to rattle on and on and on. but now it's time for our next debate. who's going to go next? >> it's going to be me. next? >> it's going to be me . the >> it's going to be me. the scottish greens are causing quite a whirlwind this week . quite a whirlwind this week. it's all kicking off in scotland with a huge fall out between the greens and humza useless. and you would think that this is because of humza yousaf ditching some of the net zero commitments in scotland. but oh no . the main in scotland. but oh no. the main driver of this fallout is in fact the cass review. humza useless actually did something useful for once and listened to the cass review and stopped puberty blockers being given to kids at the scottish gender clinic. but the lgbt wing of the greens are absolutely up in arms about this. you've even had the rainbow greens on twitter , rainbow greens on twitter, calling the cass review a social murder charter. the greens have

lost their minds if they think that trans kids which, if you ask me as criminal, is more important than the supposed climate emergency that they normally bang on about, benjamin , what do you think? do you think that these scottish greens have lost their minds and have forgotten what the real cause of their party is ? their party is? >> i mean, look, i'm not likely to vote for the green party and i think they're being quite reckless in their language. i don't think you need to use terms like murder. that's unacceptable . but i absolutely unacceptable. but i absolutely disagree with this ugly assertion that you can, quote unquote , trans kids. some people unquote, trans kids. some people are trans gender or gay or bisexual or other things of that description , and they deserve to description, and they deserve to be supported and respected and trusted with doctors and medical information to be able to grow up to be the most of the person who they are meant to be. >> look what happens when you trust the doctors. it's the cass review that said gay kids, gay kids are actually being led to

on transgender pathways. >> but what i don't understand kids , is that all these people kids, is that all these people who criticise, the health care opfions who criticise, the health care options that have been offered in these situations , i don't in these situations, i don't hear any of you saying there should be more therapists. there should be more therapists. there should be more people trained medically in dealing with transgender questions, because the answer is when you have situations where a child has wrongly been put down the path of puberty blockers or of being assumed to be transgender, then thatis assumed to be transgender, then that is because they haven't been assessed sufficiently and that the research isn't good enough. but that does not mean that there are not young people who have that kind of identity issue. they know it fundamentally in themselves, in the way that someone like you can never possibly understand, and that our society and our nhs and that our society and our nhs and our schools should respect and our schools should respect and help those children to fulfil their. >> sorry. did you did you even read the cass review or read the news? story's reporting on it? yes. and how so? how are you sat there still saying all this stuff about about kids being trapped? because to listen to experts. when the cass review

said that the entire premise of sending children down this medical pathway was built on extremely shaky foundations ultimately leading them to give, to give them puberty blockers, lupron neurology. lupron is a is a chemical given to sex offenders in the united states. most of the kids at least 35% by the tavistock's own statistics of the children going to that gender clinic had some sort of autism or mental difficulty, and yet instead of giving them therapy or asking them why they're unhappy , they were they're unhappy, they were immediately pumped with puberty blockers or sent down this very bizarre dark pathway. it's an ideology. >> it's not an ideology. >> it's not an ideology. >> and you're talking people 30 or 40 years ago talked about gay people in exactly those terms, doing this to gay children. they are they are getting gay children and saying, you're not 93v- children and saying, you're not gay. you fancy, you fancy and are attracted to people of the same sex, but you're not gay. you're just born in the wrong body. imagine telling kids, benjamin, there people are born in reinforcement of gender stereotypes. >> if you like pink or wearing dresses, then you must be in the

wrong body. >> what they're pushing you accept right that we say kids aren't old enough to get a tattoo, for example, and i had tattoos when i was 16, right? >> i got one done when i was 16, illegally, i admit. come arrest me. and, aren't now ten years on. i had laser surgery to get rid of that. how can a kid that you pumped like there's some pnzed you pumped like there's some prized cow on a farm full of these hormones and all the rest of it , go back these hormones and all the rest of it, go back and these hormones and all the rest of it , go back and reverse these hormones and all the rest of it, go back and reverse and get back their puberty and the lost years and the fact that they have this deep voice , their they have this deep voice, their breasts may well be impacted. their brain development in certain scenarios. and actually w certain scenarios. and actually w pdf certain scenarios. and actually w pdf files that were leaked from the medical journal , the from the medical journal, the medical professionals that are meant to safeguard trans pathways , who actually said that pathways, who actually said that liver cancer was linked to the use of hormones. where were these kids ever be able to get back the years that you have stripped them off?

>> you are looking at it in a total ideology ahead of safeguards . first of all, safeguards. first of all, puberty blockers delay puberty. they don't. they don't prevent it being possible in most cases. so they often make you infertile. no, i'm going to answer the question, chloe. >> reversible . >> reversible. >> reversible. >> it's not irreversible. that's not true. >> they delay not just the pause button , but the fact doctors button, but the fact doctors claim the way you're talking is as though none of those people are transgender. >> you're talking about their bodies being distorted and prevented from that other route that they would have naturally taken. that assumes that that isn't how they're meant to be. the fact is that not taking action on these trans kids who are taking an extraordinary, difficult experience of the world because they were built in a different way, causes serious lifelong trauma, trauma. that's why we know that there is an incredibly high suicide and attempted suicide rate among trans youth because they are in the wrong body and should be supported to be in the right one. that is different to saying that the medical advice is good enough. clearly there have been mistakes, but i don't accept your premise that these people don't exist because i tell you

what, trans people have existed in every culture and every country in every period of history. the fact is , you just history. the fact is, you just don't want to know why. >> but it's a 2009 since i left school. >> why has there been a it has gone off the scale. the number of kids that say that come forward say they're experiencing gender dysphoria. it's social contagion. >> we had it in the don't you dare talk about people as a contagion. they're not a virus. they're human beings. >> it's a social contagion . the >> it's a social contagion. the trend of transgender. we had this in the early 2000 when you and i were at school with size zero. now, i know that's not something you took up, but size zero where kids were starving themselves and going through this trend. it's the same with the trans trend. and you are saying, hang on, let me just finish part of this trend, this fad. no, no, hang on, hang on. if you're mentally ill, kids that need help, if you're calling it a trend, then tell me. >> i don't know how old your mother is, but she's obviously a generation older, right? how many gay people did she know when she was at school? compared to how many would you have known now? or someone that's at school today? because i'll tell you

what. between the 70s and 90s, the number of people saying they were gay shot up probably tenfold, right? was that a social contagion, or was that just society being more open minded ? minded? >> well, that's an issue of sexuality, right? that's not an issue of why. >> why do you think there are there are vastly more gay people today than 40 years ago. >> well, there aren't i mean, there are certainly speaking there are certainly speaking there have always been gay people that have existed. >> oh, you're getting somewhere . >> oh, you're getting somewhere. no. what was the difference? the difference was they couldn't be themselves. >> it hasn't always society changed. not human beings. i am fed up with the lgb green group with the t. >> these are very, very different and in many ways contradictory because accepting people as being gay gave them the opportunity to be a man who acts different to your typical stereotypical man, or be a woman who acts different to your stereotype woman. so if you're a guy that's feminine, talks a bit, camp , likes to wear pink or bit, camp, likes to wear pink or whatever it is, and he's here tonight. >> but now what do you think the trans movement says? give charlie a chance , right? charlie a chance, right? >> still ahead though, we'll address your questions in bunch

of five and speak to an emmy award winning actor about the shocking rise of anti—semitism. next the king has happily returning to public duties. but are we asking too much of the royal family? what do you think should the king actually feel like he has to come back so soon? you're with the saturday five live

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. let's crack on with our final discussion of the hour. who's last but not least? >> me. darren so having a breather are away from talking about trans and migrants and humza yousaf. some good news today. the king, whether you're a monarchist or not, the king is due for a public return next tuesday . he and camilla will be tuesday. he and camilla will be going to a cancer centre, it's his first public engagement since being diagnosed with an issue back in. i think it was february. so my only concern is

i kind of feel like the king. darren has been pressured back to rush back into work too quickly when in actual fact, he still receiving treatment for his condition. and there were some really nice colour in the times newspaper today saying that he's been enjoying some downtime in the gardens of sandringham in norfolk. he's got a healing garden with thousands and thousands of shrub and herbs , which are particularly good for ailing, sorry, healing ailments such as lavender and so on and so on. so i just think he should be let to recover in peace instead of feeling like he needs to rush back to work. because of course, kate is undergoing her own cancer treatment and prince william probably feels like the weight of the world is on his shoulders. >> i mean, i do hope he's not using this healing garden to try and treat his cancer. >> by the way, i do hope well, he's he's very into that kind of stuff. >> yes he is and holistic medicine god save the king. >> but like god, hope he's not doing that kind of nonsense. but i look i think fundamentally we are are basically i think hounding this man saying, what's

going on with him? what's wrong? let's find out what type of cancerit let's find out what type of cancer it is. let's see when he'll be back to work. what's going on with the princess of wales? and i think he probably feels because he was the longest serving prince of wales. i think he feels that there is a pressure on him or impetus on him to get back, to do his fulfil his duty as soon as possible. his mother, of course, being the biggest public servant that certainly any of us, i think will ever know within our lifetimes. and i think he feels immense pressure and stress over this . so i immense pressure and stress over this. so i feel immensely sorry for him. actually and i hope he genuinely is in a position where doctors are saying, right, you are responding brilliantly to treatment, not to lavender in the garden and doing really well and you can go back to work. charlie, look, i'm not a massive fan of king charles. >> i think he's far too green minded for my own liking. but that said, i do love the idea of the monarchy and the royal

family. i think it's a very iconic institution. it needs to be treasured. however, does the king need to be rushing back to work so quickly? he's still receiving treatment? can he not just leave it to the good work of queen camilla, for example? she's been out and about and carrying the flag in a very respectable manner. >> well, i'm hopefully you're more preferred, charlie, than king charles, but sitting here joining you this evening in place of albi, the great tory propaganda you spot, we'll talk later . but no, i don't propaganda you spot, we'll talk later. but no, i don't think he's been pressured at all. i don't think he would come back unless he was able to do so. and i think, look, you know, darren was right. this is someone who has been the prince of wales. he's been the number two in terms of the hierarchy of the monarchy for such a long time. he wants to follow in the footsteps of his mum, the late queen, someone who darren was absolutely right again to say was the embodiment of public service. he wants to go and see the people around the country. he wants to deliver, he wants to take on the role that he's now got and be the king for the people. >> i am a monarchist, but i think i've always thought the best argument against the

monarchy is the fact that they are sort of trapped for life in this gilded cage, with expectations that we do not hold of anybody else. and i just think, you know, here's a man that's in his 70s, he's got cancen that's in his 70s, he's got cancer. i think, you know , he's cancer. i think, you know, he's in excellent health generally for a person in his 70s, physical health. he walks extensively. we know that. but i just worry that we kind of put these people on such a pedestal and such a pressure that you've got a man in his 70s with cancer that's returning to do all sorts of events. so, you know, a state visit from japan at the end of june, i believe. yes. you've got ascot, you've got all of these events that actually are really exhausting. most 70 year olds would not want to be doing that kind of work . and are we kind of work. and are we actually, as a country, are we quite unfair for on the royal family? are we expecting them to behave in a way that we wouldn't expect? >> i think we are unfair in that. >> i think, sadly, king charles is going to be under a lot of pressure and stress, regardless of whether he comes back to work or not, because if he comes back to work, he's got the pressure of doing the job. but if he doesn't, everyone is going to

speculate. are we going to lose yet another monarch already, he's not come back to work quick enough. just like with kate taking time off. she wasn't given privacy, but everyone was even saying, is kate middleton dead ? and they haven't even told dead? and they haven't even told us yet. so you're right. it is unfair. we put an unfair amount of pressure on them. >> there's an argument for abdication. >> yeah. yes. i i do. i know it probably won't be music to a lot of people's ears because of course charles has waited so long to take the throne. but yeah, i think i think charles should step aside for william and kate. wow. i think they are the future. so. >> right. >> right. >> still to come. on the saturday five, we discuss the shocking rise of antisemitism on university campuses. find out more on that. we'll be back after this break. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello! here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. we hold on to rather unsettled weather

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gb news. >> it's saturday night. and this is the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, along with charlie rowley. chloe dobbs, ben leo, and benjamin butterworth. plenty more to come tonight, including our interview with emmy winning actor and activist yuval david on the incredibly concerning rise in anti—semitism,

especially on campuses. plus, we'll debate whether labour should be right to renationalise the railways. benjamin butterworth can't wait for the return of british rail at 7 pm. and this is the saturday five. and this is the saturday five. and there'll be a whole load of hot button topics in bunch of five. does cheating in a relationship mean you'll cheat in other walks of life? serial cheat benjamin butterworth spills all then . spills all then. >> then we'll be answering your questions and ask the five. >> send them through to gb news. com for accuracy. first of all though, it's your saturday night news with ray addison . news with ray addison. >> thanks, darren. it's 7:00. our top stories conservative mp

doctor dan poulter has defected to labour, saying the tories are now a national party of the right. announcing his decision in the observer newspaper, the former health minister said it is abundantly clear that the labour party alone has the will and the trust to restore and reform the nhs. he urged rishi sunak to call a general election as soon as possible. tory party spokesperson has described it as disappointing, but labour leader sir keir starmer posted on x, saying it was fantastic. doctor poulter, who represents central suffolk and north ipswich, will take the labour whip until the next election. the prime minister says a recent influx of migrants into ireland shows the deterrent effect of his rwanda plan is working . the comment plan is working. the comment comes after deputy irish premier micheal martin said the uk's asylum policy is driving migrants from northern ireland into the republic. the government wants to send asylum seekers on a one way flight to the east african nation. rishi

sunak says the scheme is having an impact because people are worried about coming here. two men have been arrested at a pro—palestine protest . in pro—palestine protest. in london. police say one was holding a placard with a swastika and the other made a racist remark towards counter—protesters. the event, which was organised by the palestine solidarity campaign, was calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. part of that march took it past a fixed pro—israeli demonstration on pall mall . earlier, another pall mall. earlier, another organised another demonstration organised another demonstration organised by the campaign against anti—semitism was cancelled with organisers saying the safety of jews was at risk . the safety of jews was at risk. up the safety of jews was at risk. up to 50 migrants have been rescued in a dramatic race against the tide after their boat ran aground on a sandbank off the kent coast. gb news captured this exclusive footage of the migrant arrivals. the incident happened this morning. no one is thought to have been injured. gb news can now reveal that more than 350 migrants have

crossed the channel illegally today, in seven small boats. and finally humza yousaf is asking leaders of rival parties to find common ground with the snp as his leadership hangs in the balance , he's inviting them to balance, he's inviting them to talks at his official residence to see how they can work with his minority government. the scottish first minister says he won't resign ahead of a crunch vote on his leadership. next week comes after the collapse of the snp's power sharing deal with the greens last thursday . with the greens last thursday. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common shirts. back now to the saturday five. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're for in yet another very lively hour. we're going to crack on with our big interview tonight. we're going to speak about the huge concerns

over the rise of anti—semitism towards jewish students. it's evident in both the uk and the united states . of course, this united states. of course, this is since israel responded to the hamas atrocities of 7th of october by invading gaza and to eliminate hamas, multiple jewish students and academics at university college london told the times that a culture of fear had taken hold as the war in gaza unfolded , with students gaza unfolded, with students booedin gaza unfolded, with students booed in lectures for challenging anti—israel views. there have been similar issues in america , with anti—israel in america, with anti—israel protests sweeping universal cities. so here to discuss this. we're very happy to be joined by the jewish activist and emmy award winning actor yuval david. yuval, thank you very much for your company. >> you first. >> you first. >> thank you for thank you for having me on to turn your saturday five into a saturday six. >> indeed, indeed indeed. i mean you about how bad do you think

it's got? because forgive me if i'm being slightly too, matter of fact, but i think there has always been a strain of anti—semitism that has ran through the activist left . am through the activist left. am i wrong on that? >> sadly, you're not wrong. i have for so long in my adult life as an activist, as an advocate, i've been within the liberal left, progressive, lgbtq communities. i've raised this red flag warning people, saying that there's this ever increasing rise in anti—semitism. and now anti—semitism. and now anti—semitism isn't rising. it's already risen. we are walking within a cesspool of hatred , i within a cesspool of hatred, i mean, benjamin, you're part of the lgbt q plus alphabet and, i mean, you you are self described. i think, at least zionist. and how concerned are you about the rise? do you actually think it's always

existed ? and do you identify existed? and do you identify that? actually, it's got a hell of a lot worse since october 7th. >> well, first of all, darren, that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me, you know what has really scared me is seeing the way that it's taken hold on university campuses. and i think nancy pelosi , the high profile nancy pelosi, the high profile us politician, ally of joe biden , she said that a lot of these students have good cause for what they're doing. but she wishes that they would condemn hamas in the same way that they do now. i suppose the question i would put to you, yuval, is, you know, do you think that terrorism is being normalised by the back door during these protests? is that what's going on? >> terrorism is not only being normalised by the back door , normalised by the back door, it's the front door. it's everywhere. we're seeing people chant as i was on the george washington university campus yesterday, when students and different jewish organisations asked me to come and help them. so i arrived on campus and the

first chance i heard were death to america, death to israel, and death to zionists. the vast majority of jewish people are zionists , and i had to redefine zionists, and i had to redefine zionism to these people. zionism is the movement about the self—actualisation of the jewish people, making sure that jews have social and political representation with a connection to our indigenous history and our homeland. that's it. it doesn't negate anybody else's history. it doesn't negate anybody else's rights . it just anybody else's rights. it just ensures that we have our own rights. so when people are saying death to zionists, they're actually saying death to jews. we are seeing this across more than 200 campuses across the united states . the united states. >> i mean, do you feel thoroughly let down, yuval, by the political class, do you think actually enough is being done to combat to challenge this? >> well, short answer yes to your first question. short answer no to your next question. i feel politically homeless .

i feel politically homeless. yes, i feel that i don't quite belong within the same parties and movements that i flourished in. i feel this discomfort within my own lgbtq+ movement that has added let's that is focused on inclusion, on acceptance, on tolerance, on self—expression, on exploring the full extent of human existence. yet now we're seeing these factions that are not including jewish people. they're saying, well, we believe in all these rights, but not when it comes to jews, not when it comes to israel. let me tell you something else. i've helped rescue lgbtq people and women internationally from dangerous and life threatening situations in collaboration with numerous governmental and non—governmental organisations. i know what which countries respect and support lgbtq rights and the ones that don't. in israel , the way i leave israel, the way i leave a building is by taking the stairs or an elevator . building is by taking the stairs or an elevator. but in gaza or in the palestinian territories ,

in the palestinian territories, the way a gay queer person like me would leave a building is by being thrown off of it. so i fight for the values that i believe in and definitely against terrorism . we are seeing against terrorism. we are seeing mind twisting happening from these people who are so misinformed and misguided that they believe that it is acceptable to support terrorist groups like hamas and hezbollah . groups like hamas and hezbollah. >> yuval, good evening. what do you make of comments from, say, the un and joe biden, for example, saying that , and even example, saying that, and even the uk in actual fact that israel in its conflicts with hamas and its ambition to rid gaza of hamas completely, that at some points the bombing has been indiscriminate . been indiscriminate. >> we are in an election cycle. they're trying to make sure that this vocal group of people are still going to vote for the democratic party , so they're democratic party, so they're trying to give these, you know, little bits of information or little bits of information or little statements that might

still bring them to vote for the democratic party. the truth is that biden has vocally supported israel and even said that he's a zionist for the vast majority of his political career. i'm not a person who's going to tell people who to vote for, when it probably is going to be between trump and biden. i'm not going to say who to vote for, but i will say that there are problems for people like me within both the democratic party and the republican party. so our politics are trying to figure out what to do as they see this mass chaos happening, not just on our college campuses, but in every major city where jewish americans feel unsafe. i walk around with all of these jewish stars and medallions around my neck to be demonstratively jewish because i'm a grandchild of holocaust survivors , i refuse of holocaust survivors, i refuse to be a jew trembling in the shadows , worried about what shadows, worried about what other people say or think about me. i refuse to let other people take over the narrative of my identity. and we need more jews

and more allies to not just support, but to stand up, to speak out, to take action. >> yuval. sorry to interject. what's your if you could press a button and flick a switch , button and flick a switch, what's your ideal solution to what's your ideal solution to what's going on now in gaza and israel, to the solution is to eradicate hamas. i am completely against terrorism. but for hamas, of the palestinian implemented say that again for the for the future of the palestinian people. >> what's where do you see the future between israelis and palestine, where do i see the future? is hard to say. my hopes for the future is that saudi arabia will come in, or that maybe a uae type of format can happen within the palestinian territories, because it's still a tribal system. there are many areas within the palestinian territories where they don't get along, they don't like each other. so how can we expect to have a two state solution? how can the palestinians have one state? i think it's probably

going to need to be a three state solution. it's definitely a very challenging situation. but until democracy and a democratic government does not control their own people, they're going to be controlled by terrorist groups. and that's a very dangerous situation for palestinians themselves. that do not have the ability to self—actualize because they're being tormented by organisations like hamas . like hamas. >> now, yuval, what you talk about going on on the campuses in the us is very concerning. and we've got students saying all sorts of horrendous anti—semitic chants, but do you think that most of these students saying these horrendous things have a genuine hatred against the jews , or are a lot against the jews, or are a lot of them just ignorant fools who don't understand what they're saying going along to these protests because they're cool? and i say that in light of that video, which i'm sure you'll have seen from nyu too, with the students being asked, why are you here? and they say , oh, we you here? and they say, oh, we don't know. we're just from colombia. we don't actually know why we're protesting . do you

why we're protesting. do you know? she says to her mate. and the mate says, no, i've got no idea. so do you think they're just ignorant, or are they genuinely all anti—semitic? >> i think that the vast majority of them are ignorant, that are. well, here's a statistic for you that is quite disturbing. 97% of people under the age of 45 in north america , the age of 45 in north america, the age of 45 in north america, the united states and canada receive their news from tiktok and instagram. the way the algorithm works is the fact that hashtag free palestine is a very popular hashtag. people are going to get that information. i wish all of you were much stronger, and i know some of you are very strong on social media, but we all need to keep posting and sharing and asking the people who not just follow us, but truly support and agree with us to keep sharing information so we can shift the algorithms. so these students, yeah , most of so these students, yeah, most of them are misguided, useful idiots who've been manipulated by terror groups and islamist organisations. but when students feel that it's right to chant

out gas, the jews like they've been doing this week, when they believe that they it's acceptable for them to yell in my face, go back to poland, that's anti—semitism. and i don't think that there's any argument there. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> and i mean, you know, the fact that we have people on the streets coming out in support of the houthis or indeed the iranian state, you know, it that just smacks of it's insanity, right? it's asking chickens . right? it's asking chickens. voting for kfc springs to mind. >> how could anybody who supports women's rights and lgbtq rights and equal access to education and freedom of religion support terror groups? it is so hard to understand . and it is so hard to understand. and so we say, either they're idiots, they're useful idiots , idiots, they're useful idiots, they're misinformed, they're misguided, they're manipulated , misguided, they're manipulated, or they just truly hate the west. we are hearing people saying, down with the west, burn it down. i don't know what these people want. what do they want instead of what they have?

>> nothing good. that's what i would say to that. but yuval , would say to that. but yuval, thank you very much for your time. >> thanks, yuval. >> thanks, yuval. >> that's the jewish activist. and thank you, emmy award winning actor. there yuval. david, thank you very much. now, folks, i want to play this clip of jacob rees—mogg from yesterday now, benjamin, i'm sure whereas one on this that that's an unacceptable way to treat anybody. never mind an elected representative of the people who was there to debate at a university . and do you think, do university. and do you think, do you worry that universities are not breeding grounds for speech and debate and reaching conclusions on ideas, and

actually now of hatred and censorship? yeah. >> i mean, you know, for radio listeners, that was jacob rees—mogg being aggressively harangued by a group of students at cardiff university. and it's, you know, politicians of all different stripes have come out and condemned this because you know, in the light of the two mps that have been murdered, you can't imagine how nerve racking that is. you know, i think what's going on is completely deplorable. it is way beyond the normal, healthy levels of discomfort and debate that universities exist to harbour. this is abuse , and this is this is abuse, and this is verging into a pretty obvious racism. you know, sometimes people call me the wokeist man in britain. right? and so let me say to those other people who are self—identifying as woke or whatever, endorsing a group that throws gay people off roofs, that puts women in slavery and murders them, that believes in bringing back the slave trade as the houthis have in yemen, is

not progressive. it is insane that they have got themselves into this contortion where they say they're so outraged by the idea of genocide that they effectively endorse hamas, an organisation with the genocide of the jewish people in its charter, just as the as hezbollah does, and the iranian revolutionary guard . and i think revolutionary guard. and i think we are incredibly lost when what is essentially a tiktok trend is gripping our campuses. and what worries me is that so many people that run these universities seem nervous because the scale of outrage well, indeed. >> but i mean, ben leo, do you have sympathy for that? because you've been sceptical and critical of the state of israel ? critical of the state of israel? >> well, i've not been sceptical of israel. i merely raised the point and echoed the point that joe biden and the un and other countries had raised, which is that maybe they should be a bit more careful with the direction of their bombs. if you listen to yes , they are from hamas, the yes, they are from hamas, the figures from hamas, apparently 30,000 civilians have died, 70% of which are children and kids. that was the only point i

raised. i didn't comment on anything else. and actually, the argument gets so tribal where you raise an innocent point like that, and i get called a hamas supporter . that, and i get called a hamas supporter. i'm absolutely not, of course, but i'm not sceptical of course, but i'm not sceptical of israel. no. >> can i just say one thing about those numbers? and it's awful. the number that's dead. there's no you know, it's terrible because lots of innocent people are clearly being killed. and that's not a that's not ideal. but the difference is that if hamas had the ability, it would kill every jew in israel. >> but it can't. i don't dispute. >> meanwhile, israel has the ability to wipe out everyone in gazaif ability to wipe out everyone in gaza if it wanted, but it doesn't. it tries its best to just kill the terrorist. and i think that is a distinction that's completely lost. you've got one party with power that's trying its best to solve the problem, and another that this looks like a victim, but it's not a victim. it just doesn't have the ability to wipe out the jews as it desperately wants. >> what's. >> what's. >> sorry, let me just answer you. i agree with you 100. i agree with you and i support israel. however you can't be so tribal where there's not any

critical thinking or nuance allowed, where you're allowed to raise a point or a slight bit of concern about the number of kids dying without being called a hamas supporter was just completely insane. and actually it does. it does. your argument people who behave like that are massive disservice. >> what's terrifying is just the idea that people think that the truth in all of the debates and all of the conflicts that take place, is through the prism of twitter or x or through tiktok, as yuval was saying, you know. and to your point, chloe , anyone and to your point, chloe, anyone people turn up to these protests not really knowing what they're about. there is so much division and hate and mistruth and fake news out there that sparks and continues to spiral these debates and these divisions, which is totally out of control. and i think that is a very, very dangerous place. if we start believing everything and fake news that we do see on social media platforms and things that aren't reported accurately, what amazes me is just how passionate people can get about an opinion that they barely researched at all. >> i can understand, you know , >> i can understand, you know, we can't be experts on everything and saying, oh yeah, i probably agree with that when it's something you hadn't really researched, but to spend all your time and energy going out on the street, shouting and

chanting, holding these placards, i mean , we've seen placards, i mean, we've seen that video of, konstantin kissin asking someone, what does intifada mean on the signs? oh, i don't know. someone else gave me. >> yeah, someone gave me this. >> yeah, someone gave me this. >> how can you be so passionate about something that you haven't even researched? why don't you take all that time and energy you spend chanting and maybe just do a bit of basic googling and learn? >> it goes. it goes back to the wider debate on universities. i would never, unless they wanted to be doctor or maybe architects. i would never advise my kids to go to university . i my kids to go to university. i think it's a massive detriment. and in actual fact, i think employers these days would value five years of proper life experience and work experience and go into a university to get brainwashed by a bunch of marxist forms of indoctrination . marxist forms of indoctrination. >> but anyway, still to come tonight, on a much lighter note, if you cheat in love, will you cheatin if you cheat in love, will you cheat in other? >> that's not a lighter note . >> that's not a lighter note. cheating in love. well, it's me. >> it's on relationships. it's a bit lighter than, you know, jews being killed and all that. now yes, we're tackling the big themes of existence in bunch of five, but next it's about to get spicy as charlie and benjamin go head to head on royal

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gb news. on mark dolan tonight. the bbc is hoping to brush the huw edwards scandal under the carpet on national broadcaster is becoming an unaccountable echo chamber. >> the bbc has become a law unto itself. in my take at ten, andrew neil has attacked gb news as the home of conspiracy theorists and nutters . i'll be theorists and nutters. i'll be giving my full response and i'm not pulling my punches . plus, not pulling my punches. plus, mark meets my all star panel and tomorrow's papers . we're live at tomorrow's papers. we're live at nine. >> welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for all your comments about tonight's topics andy has written in. good evening. andy

says people support and are not supporting the monarchy is fine by me, but i do wish people would stop calling what the royals do work . it isn't. it's royals do work. it isn't. it's a merry go round of sitting, shaking hands and being fawned over whilst living the most privileged life . privileged life. >> what's that guy's name? sorry, andy. yes, well, the royals are a net benefit to the uk economy, so whether you like them or not, they are. they do some good. >> and i would argue that actually living your life under actually living your life under a microscope can't be very nice. you know, patricia says, how can a doctor, an mp like dan poulton, who has defected to laboun poulton, who has defected to labour, do justice to two demanding jobs like serving the nhs and representing the people of suffolk and ipswich ? it seems of suffolk and ipswich? it seems to me you can only serve one master. well, he's decided to serve one. it's himself and he's gone to the labour party. now, though, it's time for this. it's tonight's main event. ding ding! labour say they will renationalise the railways within five years, which is

about how long it takes. most trains to actually arrive. but is this a welcome plan or is this communism run amok? are we back to the 1970s? benjamin butterworth can't wait for the return of british rail. but charlie rowley says times have changed. time to move on. we'll let them duke it out and see who we think prevailed. seconds out. round one. benjamin, you kick things off. >> well, i think that labour's plan this week makes a lot of sense. and the polling shows, if i dare mention polls in the presence of ben leo, that most people agree the fact is that since train services were privatised in the 1990s, we have seen the costs of travelling by train go up enormously. and yet we haven't seen a massive fall in the cost to the state. so we still, as taxpayers, subsidise the rail industry to the tune of about £5 billion a year. meanwhile the profits for private companies that can't even make the trains run on time, something that i think is

pretty basic in a modern society like britain, their profits have gone through the roof, so what labour has said, and i think this makes practical sense , is this makes practical sense, is that as the contracts elapse for those private companies , they'll those private companies, they'll go back into public ownership so that you can have that investment going back into the services to have the new stock, because a lot of our trains are pretty rubbish and old and have it going to what the public experience, not into the private pockets of a couple of people that get jobs as ceos of train companies. >> well , i companies. >> well, i think this pr gimmick from the labour party won't even leave the station because, as ben leo told us earlier on, polls are always, to be defied . polls are always, to be defied. and i don't think this is something that the british pubuc something that the british public are gearing up for. actually, yes, there are problems within the railway service. we've all experienced delays and cancellations, but not every rail line operated by every rail company is that bad . every rail company is that bad. and the idea that a government, an incoming labour government will come in, nationalise our

great british railways, be in the pockets of the unions where you would see, just as you do in london, more strikes, more delays, timetable failures , the delays, timetable failures, the reason why you've had more people having to see the increase in their fares is because it's been about the user paying because it's been about the user paying for those services not being a burden on the entire uk taxpayer , but the idea that this taxpayer, but the idea that this gimmick by the labour party will somehow solve all of the problems. solving problems where there aren't actually problems within the railway service, i think is just something that will cause a huge black hole within the uk economy, will cause more debts, more delays, more dithering, more disaster for patients, for passengers who can't get the compensation when things go wrong. and they will go all mightily wrong under a nationalised service. well, their labour government, there we have it. >> someone that's worked as a special adviser to the tory government for many years, says there is no problem with the trains now, i didn't say that i accepted there are problems. >> i accept there will always be cancellations, delays , but there cancellations, delays, but there are no serious problems under a labour government. now i think

that anybody that has to commute for work or to see family or to go to events will know that the cost of our trains in the uk are astronomically high. >> in fact, i looked this up and for single journeys, the uk has the highest train fares in europe by a long way. the third most expensive train journey there is on the entire continent is london. to oxford. they are astronomically high now. what has been happening while that's going on? well, actually the profits, the return on investment for train companies is 147. according to the website full fact. now that is extremely high. you will struggle to find any other business that gets that return. meanwhile, the people that rent the trains to these companies, their profits up three fold in one year. so you've got regular people paying enormous amounts of money, thousands of pounds from their salary annually for some train tickets. and that is going into the profits of people. benjamin, while still the state, is subsidising them to the tune of

billions. so we may as well take it back . it back. >> it's about accountability. and if you're a rail passenger and you experience a delay or a cancellation, you can get that compensation back and ministers that obviously appoint those rail companies when they tender those , those schemes to the rail those, those schemes to the rail operators that then take over those rail lines, they are the ones responsible for hiring and firing those rail companies. if you have a nationalised system, you have a nationalised system, you will just have a one size fits all operation where the commuter who does experience a delay and they'll experience many, many more because the labour government , well, you see labour government, well, you see it in london. just look at london. >> london has excellent transport. >> no it doesn't, no it doesn't talk to anyone outside of london. >> they'll tell you hang on. most people let me just say the most people don't speak at the same time. >> failing. >> failing. >> most people outside of london look at london and think it's unfair how much public transport and how good it is. >> it is gone backwards. if you're a londoner and people know that okay, right. >> well, i'll let the audience decide who won that one, but we'll all chime in. now look , i we'll all chime in. now look, i get the train every weekend. i get the train every weekend. i get a state operated railway.

lner and it is laden with strikes, right. they go on strikes, right. they go on strike quite often, i wouldn't say it's the cheapest thing in the world. so are you not harking back, benjamin , to harking back, benjamin, to a 19705 harking back, benjamin, to a 1970s in which british rail was dended 1970s in which british rail was derided as being miserable, dark, dingy and not fit for purpose? >> no, because the truth is, our train services are nationalised. they're just other nations . much they're just other nations. much of our train stock is owned by companies private companies in france, in germany, in italy and so it's the factors that we don't own our train services, but other countries do, which is a farcical set of affairs where the profit from our money that british people are putting into their trains is going into other countries networks. i think that's absurd. and i just make this point that we often talk about the tax burden, which is really high at the moment, and thatis really high at the moment, and that is seen as the obvious way to sort of how unfair the state is interacting with the individual. but the truth is that the cost of trains for

anyone that commutes is an enormous tax on their daily lives of just getting to work and i think it's not good enough to just sit there and watch above inflation on price hikes every year. >> charlie , though, there are >> charlie, though, there are open access operators that are success stories . success stories. >> you've got hull trains, which is a massive success story. you've got, lumo, which is on the, east coast main line, and they are private, but they compete with the state owned companies that also run on those lines. that's a success story. i don't think even labour are proposing to get rid of those. by proposing to get rid of those. by the way , i think labour are by the way, i think labour are proposing that we keep those. i could be wrong on that. i'm sure you'll tell me if i am. but those sort of stories would suggest that a private state partnership is maybe the way to do it. you get this. the state has to cut down and be lean, mean, and all the rest of it in competition with the private sector. well, look, government always has a role in things. >> if it needs to intervene, then it should. and if it's the

case with lner, it needs to run a better service. but if it's not doing that , then there's not doing that, then there's a problem there already and that's what labour will find if they continue to do that with every other rail operator. but as soon as you've got things up and running where there needs to be intervention, you can then privatise it again because it is through the, capitalism that we have in this country. it is through open competition. it is people that actually have an interest in operating the railway that should be that should be there. it's not for a bunch of there is no competition. just imagine whitehall civil servants running the timetable , running the the timetable, running the fares, running everything, people sitting in westminster running our rail networks across the country, reading a teleprompter. >> i'm asking you a question. sorry, there is no competition. that's why it's failed. >> there is competition. we have so many different rail operators in this country. >> southern rail or bentley or even they don't like. >> they only call me benjamin when i'm naughty. >> yeah. sorry yeah. >> yeah. sorry yeah. >> and i'm well behaved, i get the train most days. come in to work. it's a two hour commute door to door. i pay on a peak time in the morning if i'm on air at 930. in the morning, i pay air at 930. in the morning, i pay about £90 for a ticket. sometimes the trains are cancelled. sometimes the train skips the stop because they're

trying to make up for lost time. i did a story a couple of years back about one that the main commuter train from brighton to london, which was late every single day in a calendar year. they're a complete joke. the train home is called the vomit express. it's hugely unsafe. the amount of times i've sat there looking at people mugging, people who are asleep, beggars coming down the train, it's filthy. it's never clean. the toilets are disgusting. it's vile. so i don't think we can get any worse. so privatise it. chloe >> nationalisation. sorry. >> nationalisation. sorry. >> nationalisation. >> nationalisation. >> you've heard that that straight stirring argument there. >> the vomit trains and i'm from cornwall, where the train only comes once an hour and it seemed like 50% of the time trains cancelled. >> and it's not like london where there's a train every few minutes. you have to wait ages. it is horrendous, and so there clearly are problems and whether it's state owned or you've got private companies, you end up with local monopolies. now, i don't think we should go to nationalisation unless it is like the worst last case scenario. and as darren has

pointed out, there are definitely success stories. the key thing here is to hold them to account and void their contract and bring in someone else if they don't meet the standards. so the rail companies, they have to meet a certain target of percentage of trains on time. certain target of percentage of trains on time . they never they trains on time. they never they never they don't and they don't get held to. >> i just say we this is prime example where we privatise the profits and nationalise the burden. so taxpayers still pay out when it goes wrong. b while a handful of people take out thousands of pounds in commuters fees and they go and take that and run off with that. >> but you know, when virgin had east coast main line, they made £1 billion in profit. we're actually losing £1 billion now of tax to meet those, to meet those performance targets. >> they cancel, they cancel trains and skip stops. the service is awful. >> still ahead, we answer all your questions and ask the vie get them in. but next in bunch of five, should you get the questions in advance of a job interview? what exactly is going on as well? with speed limits in wales and our good old fashioned fry ups turning us into a nation of zombies, well, very happy ,

of zombies, well, very happy, delicious zombies. now you're with the saturday five life

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always. thank you very much for all of your comments about tonight's topics. regarding the conflict in the middle east. margaret says, i understand it was gaza who invaded israel and israel was retaliating, which they have the right to do . whether what they right to do. whether what they are doing is now justified or not. the media always make it sound as if israel made the first move by mentioning israel first move by mentioning israel first in most. >> sorry, margaret, it wasn't gaza that invaded israel, it was hamas and gaza . vote for no, i'm hamas and gaza. vote for no, i'm sorry. and the conflict has been raging for, well, since 1948, whenever the state of israel was formed, who did gaza vote for? >> sorry? who did gaza for ? vote >> sorry? who did gaza for? vote >> sorry? who did gaza for? vote >> i guess you're going to say hamas. but how can how can you

have a fair and free election when you've got a terror death cult leading the all right. >> mike says, what's wrong with old trains? they're more comfortable than the modern ones. but without shareholder investment, where will the additional funding come? answer taxpayers. i think you're right on that one. but now it's time for this. now we are. who's going to kick us off? >> well, i will darren if that's. because i saw the other day i don't know if you saw front page of the star daily star, great british newspaper in this uk that fry ups are turning us into a nation of zombies . top us into a nation of zombies. top nutritionist mike murphy says that we should eat less of them . that we should eat less of them. and because it's causing all kinds of health problems . but do kinds of health problems. but do we actually need to be told what's his name? the nutritionist mike murphy . do nutritionist mike murphy. do one. mike. mike murphy i don't know about you, but i don't mind waking up to a warm sausage in the morning, but i think, you know, why do we need to be told what's what's right and what's wrong? i think we're perfectly,

you know, well educated as adults to know that you can just enjoy a fry up every now and again. why are we constantly being told what we should or shouldn't? >> but you're part of the party that's banning cigarette sales. >> well, that is terribly bad for you. >> and so is eating a fry up. >> and so is eating a fry up. >> though small pleasures, things in moderation. >> i don't think fry ups are that bad. really you've got bacon, which is high in protein. it's quite lean. you've got eggs .eggs it's quite lean. you've got eggs . eggs are amazing for you. don't listen to the 1980s propaganda about cholesterol. it's absolutely wrong, what else you got? black pudding. pretty good for you. bacon, beans, baked beans are very good for you. if baked beans on toast is more protein than steak, a little high in sugar, and also a lot of places now grill all their fry ups. they've got grilled bacon and so on. so i don't think they're that bad for you, and yeah, that guy doesn't really sound much of a nutritionist. if he's saying that, he turns it into what zombies ? i mean, how does that work? >> i mean, look, a full english is my guilty pleasure. i have to be honest. but i've been very conscious of just how how much fat and how much calories there are in it. you know, when you get the calorie counts on menus, as you do now, it's like 1200

calories, which is half of your daily allowance, 100 calories in one tablespoon. >> yeah. grill it. you'll take a salad that's only got about 50 calories. i pour about 500 calories. i pour about 500 calories worth on everyone's going to hate me for this, but i rather enjoy a vegan full english. >> i think it's just as good. >> i think it's just as good. >> oh, that's not moving swiftly on to chloe. >> what have you got for us? >> what have you got for us? >> we are talking about whales. they have finally got rid of this 20 mile per hour bonkers blue blanket speed limit in all built up areas. and that's not just town centres. that's anywhere where you've got lampposts less than 200 yards apart. so you'll be driving down apart. so you'll be driving down a street with no pedestrians in sight, no buildings in sight, but you're having to go along at 20mph. they finally got rid of it. they wasted £34 billion on this. but people have rebelled. and finally they are listening. so, ben, do you think that this is a sign that we are winning this war on motorists, maybe a small victory, but i think the general consensus is that, you know , my driving bad motorists, know, my driving bad motorists, bad in actual fact, those 20 mile an hour zones, i remember they introduced them in brighton years and years ago, maybe ten, 11, 12 years ago, they were well

ahead of the curve. and they said it was because of the eco argument. at 20 mile an hour zones, you are not getting past most times. second gear. so you're in high revs, the emissions are higher, they're a bit of a joke. all right. >> now john cleese is a man whose name will ring familiar with many viewers , and he has with many viewers, and he has said that basil fawlty, of course, from his hit fawlty towers, wouldn't recognise the country as it is today. he says actually, he would be befuddled by modernity, and i wonder, i fear that actually we haven't changed for the better. i think we're increasingly in an age of censorship where people like bafil censorship where people like basil fawlty couldn't make jokes, where fawlty towers couldn't make certain jokes that it's made in the past and some might say, like a certain benjamin butterworth, that we've moved on from the 1970s, but i fear we've moved far too far the other way. and we're entering a real era of totalitarian censorship. and john cleese is absolutely right to stand strong for free. >> sorry, wasn't wasn't john cleese the person who, in recent

years on twitter has lambasted the so—called culture wars and right wingers for standing up against this stuff. why is he now? why is he now coming out and saying cleese has always been a massive advocate for free speech? >> no, no. >> no, no. >> read some of his twitter posts in recent years. he's even despite the fact he had a show on this channel. he's, you know, slagged off gb news and right wingers. so well. he's a massive lib dem. so there you go. you can't have it. you can't have it both ways. you can't support that kind of thing. and then one minute complain that it's not going right. >> do you think actually basil fawlty would survive today? well i think a certain audience, it probably does. >> and that's what he's saying. look, you know, there are people of a particular generation that can actually take a joke. you know, young people today seem to not be able to take a joke. and i think that's just the point he was making. ben what's your topic? >> oh, sorry . >> oh, sorry. >> oh, sorry. >> i thought you were asking me the time or something. it's, 745. sorry. my topic is. oh there's some great research from ashley madison, which is the. if you don't know , it's the website you don't know, it's the website where you can have illicit extramarital affairs . so they extramarital affairs. so they say that even if you are prone to cheating , cheaters aren't

to cheating, cheaters aren't necessarily disloyal. people outside marriages, for example, there's research that they've published showing that 95% of cheaters would rather cheat on their wife than, say, change their wife than, say, change their coffee brand or football team. so if you are a cheater, khloe, not saying you are. if you are a if you are a cheater, does that mean you are a disloyal person elsewhere necessarily? >> well, i don't know exactly what i don't know. all the stats on exactly why. >> can can can can cheaters be trusted? that's the question. can cheaters be trusted in other parts of life? >> i mean, you know, ijust think that if you can, i could never cheat, right? because for me, anyone to cheat on. >> yeah, it's a good point . >> yeah, it's a good point. >> yeah, it's a good point. >> but do you know what? >> but do you know what? >> because i think that if you if you do that to the person who's closest to you in the world, who may well be the parent of your kids, then if you can abuse that person in that way, that can just destroy somebody on the receiving end of that, then that would say to me that, then that would say to me that your moral compass is

sufficiently flexible, that the reason you don't change your coffee brand is because you don't want to. but if you wanted to do all of those other things, you probably would because you've got loose boundaries. yeah. all right. >> what have you got for us, well, something that darren will need to know, actually, because it's about job interviews coming up , so when you lose yours, up, so when you lose yours, waitrose and john lewis have decided to tell applicants for jobs what the questions are before they get into the job interview. now they give them a set of questions, not necessarily the exact ones they'll get, but they can prep their answers and the argument is that you'll get a more authentic response rather than that sort of panicked, you know, what am i going to say, charlie , what am i going to say, charlie, you know, you've worked in government and you've i guess you've had to apply forjobs you've had to apply for jobs more recently than maybe some of us because you, you know, left , us because you, you know, left, do you think this is a good idea? >> well, i wish you'd tell me the questions that i was going to have tonight before coming on this show to talk about the government, but. no, look, i think, i don't think it's harmful to have parameters, so,

you know , because you can get you know, because you can get very nervous in interviews. you might say the wrong thing. so just making sure that you're fully as prepared as possible. >> if you can't deal with the heat, get out of the kitchen. >> i don't think you should. i don't think you should have the exact question, but if you're going to be talking about a particular topic, just name the topic or particular thing. >> what a bunch of wets. it's like. it's like telling kids about the exam questions in advance what they're going to learn. >> a stupid way of indoctrinating people with wrapping them in cotton wool. >> now still ahead, it's time our wonderful viewers took charge. as we all answer your questions on ask the vie now nothing is off limits and we're ready for a grilling a bit like that. >> or fry up, fry up. >> or fry up, fry up. >> yeah, that you mentioned earlier. you're with

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five folks. get ready because it's five folks. get ready because wsfime five folks. get ready because it's time for this. five folks. get ready because it's time for this . right. let's it's time for this. right. let's see what you've got . for this

see what you've got. for this week. we have copied john lewis, and i have seen all of the questions in advance. i kid, i kid, i haven't, i haven't. so there's a question for chloe. hi, chloe. the number of youngsters voting tory continues to drop and drop. could this be the last ever conservative government >> i don't think it will be the last ever conservative government i think we are seeing, interestingly, young men moving to reform and young women moving to reform and young women moving to reform and young women moving to say, the greens . so moving to say, the greens. so young people are not fans of the conservatives at the moment, but i think, i conservatives at the moment, but ithink, i hope conservatives at the moment, but i think, i hope that after this general election, when the tories get wiped out, they may learn some lessons. there is a very small, unlikely world where maybe they get so kicked that reform ends up taking over and ends up becoming the more dominant party in the conservatives. we can say rest in peace, but i think that's unlikely. i think the conservatives will come back, but it may be a decade or so before we see them again. >> can i just put some facts in there? because i read about this recently, the number of people ,

recently, the number of people, under 25 who vote tory intend to vote tory is 10. now compare that to france and germany , that to france and germany, where it's about 40. it's typical of other generations. we are a real outlier, the age at which the tories become the most popular party in this country. 70 years old. so they've got a serious problem that a generation has lost them. >> there's an answer to that, which is we need to raise the voting age to 71. now next. this is from danny, after his wives words on the, fa cup last time. i think we should get benjamin's thoughts on sporting news every week. what does he think of the new liverpool manager , i have, i new liverpool manager, i have, i have no, i've heard of liverpool, you know, i love the beatles, but, you liverpool, you know, i love the beatles, but , you know, liverpool, you know, i love the beatles, but, you know, i. the only thing i can say on this is that they had, sven—goran eriksson, who has cancer. right? yes. and i was moved to tears when in their friendly, he said his dream had always been to manage liverpool, and they let

him manage liverpool for that friendly. and as someone who's not a football fan, that really showed the community that football gives so many people, and i thought that was such a beautiful moment . beautiful moment. >> all right. next, it's, this one from susan. susan says, hi charlie. was it fun to go out clubbing with michael kill? >> great question . >> great question. >> great question. >> susan, did i see you that night? were you there to . i have night? were you there to. i have to say, i've never been clubbing with michael gave. i have been clubbing myself once or twice. i've had a few sherbets every now and again. i don't mind. i like an evening out, but, i, you know, i think politicians should be able to go out and have fun. they should be themselves. there are people as well. they need to let their hair down. >> what do you think to, you know, we've had all these brilliant videos of him dancing. what do you think of that? when he got back to the office, what did you say? >> well, i'm just glad my choreography made it onto the front pages of every newspaper. having done so for theresa may, you know, so many times. did you, all my moves. you can you can see them most friday nights and, into the small hours of

saturday morning. so, susan can't drop me a message. we'll go clubbing if you want to golfi. >> we'll go with. i think he might be a bit busy. sort of. you're dealing with renters reform at the minute? >> well, he's going to have a lot of time on his hands before long, he'll be like dancing queen, you know, abba , abba will queen, you know, abba, abba will be ad nauseum. will it not exactly. >> come and join us, susan, do you mind seeing a politician bust a few moves ? bust a few moves? >> i think it depends. if it's someone cool like boris , then someone cool like boris, then i would. yeah. all right. fine. boris. if someone nerdy , i can't boris. if someone nerdy, i can't say boris johnson. >> but anyway, thank you very much to our wonderful guest tonight, chloe dobbs and charlie rowley. next up , it's the rowley. next up, it's the brilliant leo cursed with the saturday night showdown . cheers. saturday night showdown. cheers. very much to you at home for watching. we'll see you again this time next week . this time next week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello! here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. we hold on

to rather unsettled weather across the uk over the next few days, but temperatures will gradually start to climb too. we've got low pressure sitting towards the south of the uk at the moment. that's starting to push weather fronts up from the south and certainly as we go through this evening into the overnight period, we'll see outbreaks of rain working their way in from the south across many southern and eastern parts of england, some of that rain turning quite heavy, particularly as we go into the early hours of sunday, and that rain also reaching the south—east of wales by the early hours to towards the north and northwest. it's a clearer picture . a few showers around picture. a few showers around here and turning quite chilly with those clear spells could see a touch of frost in places by sunday morning. temperatures locally below freezing but holding up with the cloud and the rain towards the south and east, that takes us into a pretty wet day across many eastern and southeastern parts of england tomorrow. some heavy bursts of rain still to come . bursts of rain still to come. nofice bursts of rain still to come. notice things brightening up, perhaps for a time. across the south—east of england, giving some heavy showers, but generally a pretty wet picture. quite windy too, and that rain pushing up into eastern parts of scotland into the afternoon as well. whereas out towards the west it's a brighter picture. sunshine and showers but pretty chilly wherever you are.

temperatures no better than 12 or 13 degrees. as for monday, we'll see an east west split once again, but a reversal of fortunes this time with the east and southeast seeing the brightest skies out towards the west. quite a few showers to come, those showers merging in places to give some longer spells of rain. and as we head into the coming week, we hold onto a pretty unsettled picture. outbreaks of rain for most areas at times, but notice those temperatures picking up to into the high teens or low 20s. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> hello there. coming up in the saturday night showdown. after threatening to arrest someone for being openly jewish, our police force have moved on to arresting people for being openly english. they seem to ignore calls for jihad openly english. they seem to ignore calls forjihad and only steps in to police protests. if you're waving the flag of saint

george , we're asking, do we have george, we're asking, do we have a two tier police force ? and a two tier police force? and policing minister chris philp is getting a hard time for getting the congo mixed up with rwanda. but why should he be? he's the minister for policing, not the minister for esoteric african geography. and victoria beckham has been accused of fatphobia after her new clothing line only stretches to a size 14. fat activists are so angry with her they nearly dropped their doughnuts. this is your saturday night showdown discussing all tonight's topics with me are my brilliant panel. joining me tonight are kezia noble , andrew eborn, and paul noble, andrew eborn, and paul cox. but first, let's get your latest news headlines from ray addison