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outskirts of moscow. a branch of isis claims responsibility. and u.s. officials confirm the terror group was solely responsible. we'll get the latest from the chair of the house foreign affairs committee michael mccaul and former chair official. and plus as immigration officials brace if an influx of migrants, head of border patrol tells us national security risks that keep him up at night. and then -- >> the motion is agreed to. >> shutdown owe straerted. president biden and congress agree to a $1 trillion funding deal. but it triggers a new attempt to oust the house speaker. we'll ask kevin mccarthy how republicans can resolve their internal divisions. an finally, we'll talk presidential politics with georgia democratic senator reverend raphael warnock. it is all just ahead on "face the nation."

good morning and welcome to "face the nation." we have a lot to get to. tomorrow the republican presidential nominee donald trump will face two legal threats, including the potential of having a half billion dollars worth of his assets seized. and president biden again implores a chaotic republican led congress to fund a foreign aid package and deal with the national security implications of border security. but we begin on the devastating terror attack overseas. in russia, citizens are observing a national day of mourning for the 137 people killed in an isis attack outside of moscow. foreign correspondent debra patta starts us off.

>> reporter: investigators are surveying the smoldering wreckage. friday night armed men in combat fatigues burst into a popular concert venue and methodically began shooting the audience before setting the place ablaze. videos posted show people screaming and ducking for cover as the gunmen fired round after round of automatic gunfire. someone shooting here, this man says. the hall is burning. they have set us on fire. otside the building was engulfed in flames. inside concertgoers try to escape the relentless gunfire trapped in a crush of panicked people. another video shows assailants moving with deadly intent through the complex as they gun people down. the full extent of the horror quickly made clear by a growing line of body bags. the attack comes after the u.s. shared intelligence with russia

warning that isis was planning to strike and advising its citizens to stay away from concert venues. but this week after a questionable landslide election victory, vladimir putin dismissed the warning as blackmail. and putin told a shocked nation 11 are already arrested. and despite isis claimed responsibility, he used the opportunity to bolster support for his war in ukraine now entering its third year. they were moving in the direction of ukraine putin claimed where they had a russia border crossing prepared on the ukrainian side. a charge ukraine flatly denies and the u.s. has repudiated.

and we're joined now by the republican chairman of the foreign affairs committee, texas congress man michael mccaul. >> thanks for having me. >> this attack in moscow was carried out by isis k, a group that typically emanated out of afghanistan. we know the u.s. had advanced warning. from what you know, is ther an ongoing threat in asia and are u.s. interests a target? >> i think so. i think the centcom commander testified that within six months, that six months they would have the capability to operate outside of afghanistan, do external operations. and it only took six days before they hit outside of moscow. and think europe is of concern. we're going back to old playbook where history repeats itself and that is why the fall of afghanistan.

the way it was done and the way we left with it no isr capable or intelligence, recognizance, puts this us in danger where there is a new battleground training ground for isis. >> and u.s. did have some ears on this if they did warn russia that isis was a threat. you have been very focused on afghanistan and you held a hearing from mark milley and frank mckenzie this past week. they both said, the state department failed to adequately plan for the withdrawal from and evacuation from afghanistan. given the threatened environment the u.s. is facing right now on multiple continents at once, haiti and niger, are you confident that the united states government is prepared to protect its people in all of the posts and carry out evacuations if needed. >> haiti, we're starting to

evacuate them. what happened in afghanistan, the generals were clear. it wasn't the d.o.d., it was state department that never came up with a plan of evacuation. which by law they were required to do. >> they said it was too late to put in place. >> it was put in place but only at time that kabul was falling and the embassy was starting to be evacuated. i think they thought they would continue their operations in the embassy and normalize with the taliban and stay there beyond the military retrograde and i think that was a serious error in judgment. and bashir wilson was the major culprit behind that including all the way up to the white house. >> well, the state department has pointed out that the trump administration that brokered the deal for withdrawal could have planned for an evacuation and did not. what do you make of that? >> yeah, they -- they're by law required to plan. i think d.o.d. was starting to pick up the slack.

we saw the threats coming in, the threat and the i.c. was telling us it would fall fast and the d.o.d. knew this. and when you listen to the white house press comments about how it is not like vietnam, everything is fine and it wasn't. that is why we have the dissent cable come out from the embassy, 23 employees had a cry for help, screaming to get out of there. because they knew what was going to happen. >> the government funding bill that was signed last night, 12,000 additional special visas to afghan nationals who worked with the u.s. were tucked into this funding bill. what more needs to be done to help the afghan allies who worked alongside the u.s.? >> well we promised them we could get them out. the afghan partners, the interpreters. we left them behind and that is the biggest sin of the afghan evacuation.

i think the 12,000 is a great response and a great start to that. i will commend speaker johnson, i worked very closely with him to make sure that we had that in there, on one hand republicans could say, we left them behind but not doing anything to help them get out with visas. >> so has speaker johnson given you any timeline for a vote on ukraine aid given they are running out of ammunition. >> his commitment is to put it on the floor after easter and we are working on this bill. >> as soon as you all come back april 9th? >> i would like it to be done as soon as possible. i think the situation in ukraine is dire. the front lines are -- we -- if we lose in ukraine like afghanistan, and lose to putin, let him take over ukraine and moldova and georgia, and abandon our allies like we did in afghanistan, does that make the united states weaker or stronger? i think weaker. >> why that sense of urgency on the speaker's part. this has been stuck in the house for weeks.

you have been warning about this. it needs to be acted on. >> he understands this. he is in a very difficult spot. and this motion to vacate the chair thing, i believe he's committed because he understands national security. he leans on myself, the chairman of armed services, house intelligence for advice on this and he knows how important this is. >> so you trust that this will be voted on. you mentioned, the motion to vacate was just introduced by marjorie taylor greene. she's put this in place and headed home to your districts and you're going to be asked about this. she's the only one saying that she wants to oust the speaker. will she stay the only one. >> i think it is indicative, even matt gaetz who was the architect of ousting mccarthy said this is a huge mistake because it could throw the

balance of power over to jeffries. and we don't need dysfunction right now. and with the world on fire -- >> do we have dysfunction right now? >> well, we do. and with the world on fire, we need to govern and that is not just for republicans but in a bipartisan way, get things done for the country that is in the national security interest of the united states. this is not just ukraine, it is israel, and indo pacific as well. >> before i let you go. 11 aid organizations have issued a letter saying that israel is standing in the way of aid delivery in gaza. firsthand experience. do you doubt their testimony? >> i think we're having difficulties. i talked to cindy mccain yesterday, world food program and david beasley her predecessor, logistics and security is the issue. israel knows it is important to get the humanitarian assistance in because for a lot of reasons.

we have to stabilize southern gaza but they need to go into rafah and take out ya ya sinwar, the head of hamas. i think hamas is playing us, playing director burns talked to israelis, they agreed to the ratio. i don't think hamas will. they're not playing fair. >> chairman mccaul, thank you for your time today. >> thank you for having me. we turn now to the former speaker of house kevin mccarthy who joins us from bakersfield, california. good to have you back on the program, sir. >> thank you. thanks for having me on. >> since you left congress, we've had four high-profile republican departures including mike gallagher, a young rising star, someone you put in key positions. announced retirements including from one of your lieutenants. patrick mchenry. is the chaos within your caucus driving these departures? >> i think it is causing some of it, yes.

the difficulty is when you allow eight republicans to join with all of the democrats to determine who could run the house, with 96% deciding one way, it creates some chaos. they've got to move through this and put the country firstand be able to move on. i think they're able to do that. speaker johnson is doing the very best job he can. it is a difficult situation. but, look, the one advice i could give to the conference and to the speaker is, do not be fearful of emotion to vacate. i do not think they could do it again. that was surely based on matt gaetz trying to stop an ethics complaint. i don't think so democrats will go along with it. focus on the country. focus on the job you're supposed to do. and actually do it fearlessly. just move forward. >> patrick mchenry, one of your lieutenants, said you could

either die as speaker and worrying about them taking you out or live every day like your last. are you suggesting speaker johnson is afraid to take a vote on something like ukraine? >> no, not at all. no, no, i don't think speaker johnson is afraid at all. and i don't believe the motion will come up. the motion marjorie put in was not privileged. so it is not being called up for a vote. i don't think the democrats will go along with this either. we're close to the election. we've watched what transpired y. the last time you went three weeks without congress being able to act. you can't do anything if you don't have a speaker. i think we've moved past that. we've got a lot of challenges. we've got fisa coming up and ukraine funding and a border wide open. those are the issues that the country is looking on, and others. if we focus on the country and what the country desires, i think the personalities could solve their own problems. >> when you were in washington, you used to deal with marjorie taylor greene and she's blaming

johnson for everything from chaos at the border and she's starting this process to end the chaos that americans are living in every single day. do you endorse her tactic? what is game here? >> look, the one thing i've found, when you sit down with a member, and talk to them, find out what their concerns are, especially when it is based upon politics, you could solve that problem. and i watched that with marjorie from the vote to speaker to the vote for the fiscal responsibility act. there was times she has a difference of opinion and you sit down and find common ground. matt's case was different, it is a personal thing that he was done and he was trying to get something illegally stopped. that is not the case here. so i would not be afraid of a motion to vacate. this is about policy. and you remember our government is designed to find common ground. and we've got a small majority. but in the nine months, what was the small majority able to do?

we passed the strongest border security bill. it is now stuck in the senate. an energy independence bill. we stopped d.c. from decriminalizing. >> it is dead on arrival in the senate. >> but listen to what did come into law. the largest cut, more than $2 trillion and welfare reform and neepa reform, parents bill of rights. we've proven we could govern can would show to the american public, if we have a new president, america would be much stronger. >> you've twice now mentioned matt gaetz, do you have evidence to back up your allegation? >> well, i think the ethics committee, it was -- it was matt coming to me trying to me to do something to stop the ethics committee moving forward on something illegal that was before i was speaker. >> something illegal.

>> why not the facts. it was a personal issue of what he had done as a member of congress. the ethics committee has a right to look at it and i'm not going to get into the middle of it one way or another. >> putting that to the side, i want to talk about what you were actually seeing happen with legislation. because a lot of americans look at what is happening and say this is chaos. we want actual real problems dealt with. on the national security front, that used to be a priority for republicans. but as we were just talking about with chairman mccaul, johnson hasn't given any timeline for a vote on the ukraine package, for nor israel nor taiwan. who is he afraid of? is it mr. trump? >> i don't think he's afraid of anyone. >> why not set a date.

>> well i think -- i think he is sitting a date. you also have to have -- educate the members and be able to move frward with that. i have always believed in that situation when i was speaker, securing the border and dealing with foreign policy, you could do it at the same time and together. what i was going to move forward is take our hr-2 and also deal with the security issue. i think israel is different. that should have been moving forward long before, especially right after october 7th. because we have a world that looks like the 1930s. you have the axis of evil with china and russia. >> but that is a johnson choice that your criticizing there. >> i'm saying you need to work together to move forward. you have to secure the american border. i would use the power of the majority is to sit down just as we did with the fiscal responsibility act, go directly to the president. if you sit around and try to do four leaders, you're never going to get to an nswer. sit down and negotiate with the president directly about border security and ukraine and taiwan.

i believe you could get to an answer and you've got the power and use that power of the majority to move. >> well it is barely a majority at this point. i mean, by the end of the april, you're down to 217 republicans to 213 democrats. the dynamics change here. should you have stayed in congress? >> well, the one thing i would tell you, you still have the majority. remember, when we had a small majority of just five, we did pass the most conservative border security bill. we did cut more than $2 trillion. we did pass the parents bill of rights and able to reform welfare. so we did things other congresses couldn't do with 30 seat majority. you have the majority and you could still govern and use that power to do exactly that. >> it sounds like your providing some coaching advice there. sir, i want to ask you -- ask you, though, do you speak to speaker johnson? and i know you do speak to former president trump. do you have plansto return to government potentially in a trump administration?

>> look, i've always said, i will serve whichever way i -- if i'm the best person for the job. but i think people worried about whether they get a job inthe next administration is the wrong place to be. you first have to have the election. you should be going out to the american public and showing them, yes, with president trump, when he gets elected we'd have a secure border and a strong economy and not evacuating five embassies and have war around the world. >> well those are counter factuals. >> the future would be much brighter. >> those are counter -- >> i served with both presidents. that is exactly the situation today. we have evacuated five embassies under president biden and had high inflation under president biden, and we have a wide open border people on the terror watch list, more people in one month of february getting across our border. >> and we're going to -- >> that is the truth of what is happening today. >> and we're going to talk to the head of border patrol later in the program and our immigration correspondent about some of the specifics of those issues.

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