waiting for 14 years for this finally happened this week, reggie bush got his heisman trophy back after the heisman trust said that college landscape had changed dramatically since allegations that he received improper benefits back in 2005 us c football legend and my old college classmate showing the trophy to his kids. for the first time we end with that, and music from us c featuring fleetwood mac tusk. see you next week with bill ma [ ♪♪ ] i'm shannon breen. chaos on america's campuses as please crash with anti- israel protesters and make hundreds of arrests. jewish students for their safety. tensions reach a boiling point at universities across the country as students prepare for graduation. the speaker of the house

calling for order despite billing from anti- israel protesters at columbia. johnson accusing the president of trying to play both sides. >> i condemned the protests and also condemn those who don't understand what's going on with the palestinians. the president celebrates in major foreign policy when, setting a massive aid bill into law sending shannon: billions of dollars to israel, ukraine and taiwan car criticized by conservative republicans for not having any new money to protect the american southern border. >> you are a friend of russia president vladimir putin if you're >> we will talk with the republican senator jd vance and democratic senator chris murphy. then. >> if you don't have immunity your neck when to do anything, you will become the ceremonial president. >> shannon: former president donald trump's first of its kind immunity argument reaches the nation's highest court while the presumptive geo nominee remains tethered to a

state court room in new york. we break down the legal hurdles facing donald trump and whether there we'll be a presidential debate. alright now on fox news sunday news. hello from fox news in washington. severe storms tearing across parts of the midwest this week and leaving behind devastation. the storm respondent tornadoes, they ripped apart homes and businesses from oklahoma and kansas to nebraska and iowa. some areas getting up to 8 inches of rain in the last 24 hours leading to dangerous flash flooding and millions of americans are now faced with a massive cleanup. some of them are saying they've lost everything. the fox whether correspondent nicole is here with the latest. >> reporter: shannon good morning. horror across the heartland as several states are now reeling

from devastating, violent and in some cases deadly tornadoes that a bluffed lives ripped to shreds. some home to sea you here behind me in nebraska in a suburb just west of downtown omaha are tough to look at your you will notice homes that were clearly at 1 point lifted office their foundations, then scent crashing down. now wounding where they once stood. meanwhile i will walk you over here where you will notice 1 other home, barely a shell of what it once was picked only thing left standing at american flag in the distance. a reminder not only of the families trying to pick up the pieces now, but the army of volunteers who spent their weekend here tried to help the loved ones under weekends -- neighbours move forward. it's not just here in nebraska but officials say a miracle as no 1 here lost their life. listen to this... >> we are hearing a lot of miracles on here.

when you look at this kind of devastation, the expected loss of life or at least severe injuries. great now we are only hearing of minor injuries. >> reporter: and of course other families that in states including iowa and oklahoma also facing much of the same devastation today. at least one confirmed dead in the state of oklahoma, shannon. >> shannon: nicole valdes in nebraska thank you nicole [ chanting ] >> shannon: back here in washington have pro- palestinian protesters showed up outside the white house correspondents dinner, criticizing president biden support of israel, the same week he signed a bill into law running billions more in aid to our middle east ally. in the moment we will bring the ohio public insider -- senator jd vance for his reaction. but first dark correspondent lukas tomlinson is live at the white house with a response to the protests in the nation's capital, and campuses now across the country. hello lucas. >> reporter: that's right channing, last night the

president attended the annual white house correspondents dinner where he was met with hundreds of angry protesters. inside, "'s a night filled with jokes. >> aids is in the thing we have in common. by vice president actually endorses me. [ cheering ] >> reporter: while the washington elite attended the dinner [ chanting ] >> reporter: outside protesters try to disrupt it. in recent days protests have erected at major colleges and universities across the country, beginning at columbia and spreading to the nation's capital at george washington university five blocks from the white house. [ chanting ] the response to the protests. >> reporter: have vary. in the university of texas right police on horseback arrived. university of florida threatened demonstrators with suspension for up to three years, university of southern california cancelled its big commencement ceremony. the republican house speaker visited columbia to visit the

jewish students. also visiting the other side. president biden signed the 95 billion-dollar foreign aid bill for ukraine, taiwan and israel. it has drawn the ire of the protesters. >> my commitment to israel again i want to make clear is ironclad that met the secretary of state anotny blinken now heads to saudi arabia with raising gas prices. the war is raging with over 100 hostages remaining. shannon. >> shannon: lukas tomlinson live at the white house, think you lucas. joining us now ohio senator jd vance. could have used mack to keep. >> shannon: you've been a vocal critic asking questions about what's going on in ukraine saying the american people are getting the full story about what's actually possible there. he wrote a piece that's gotten a lot of attention. you break down some of the math on munitions and our appeal -- ability to produce what they

need over there. the senator lindsey graham was on the show and took issue with some of what you wrote. here's a bit of that. >> with all due respect senator vance he is wrong. we were told within four days he would fault smack is he wrong about them ethically. >> asked definitely wrong -- >> production or capabilities? >> is wrong about the concept that we can deal with multiple problems. >> shannon: so you know obviously there is a memo of from the senator saying its not just about the u.s. there are 20 plus other countries contributing. the mess does -- math doesn't add up. >> yes, it's interesting that the committee memo makes my argument because it says if the europeans a step up production by the end of this year and if the russians don't radically increase production from where they are now, then russia will still have a three to one advantage over ukraine. that is not now, that's by the end of the year. almost one full year away. i find when these guys tried to rebut the argument they end up making it for me.

the argument i'm making is quite simple. it's not that we don't admire the courage of the ukrainians, it's that america is stretched too thin. we didn't have the industrial capacity to support a war in ukraine, war in israel at potentially one in east asia if the chinese invade taiwan. america has to pick and choose. by the way shannon, some of the vary people who shipped americans manufacturing base overseas to china in the first place who weaken our ability to manufacture our own weapons or noticing people we can get involved saying in three wars at once. the math doesn't make sense were stretched too thin and we've got to focus. the last point i will make is if we focus on east asia and containing the chinese, the europeans can step up in europe. germany still after donald trump demanded still doesn't two spent on -- what was sent back spent a gdp. a lot of countries have their own industrial mind to atrophy so wire american subsidizing it

european security? we should be focused on our own problems which is mostly china. >> shannon: a couple thanks there appear to memo also cites the commander in the indo pacific region saying we can't manage munitions. in a way talking about multiple fronts going, we can do it. the more dangerous situation is to let russia president vladimir putin feel like he gets a ukraine pack that emboldens china in that region. >> while shannon i'm a child of 2003 and i remember when general stepped up and said the war policy into the sensory was a joke and all of them had their careers ruin. at the grief to look at this honestly as policymakers and ask ourselves the tough questions. unfortunately have to ask yourself is china going to be more dissuaded by us thumping our chest and asking to have in europe -- acting tough in europe or will they be dissuaded by us having weapons necessary to prevent them from invading taiwan. my argument is the chinese are focused on real power, not how tough people talk on tv or how strong our leisure is always, there focused on how strong we actually are. to be strong enough to push back

against the chinese we've got to focus there. right now we are stretched too thin. >> shannon: what about the argument as well that russia president vladimir putin will go beyond ukraine? if he does it touches on nato territory. where than obligated and the argument is invest and help ukraine and to let our troops get pulled into an article by situation. >> i understand the argument but i don't think it passes muster. people who want us to put limitless resources on the ukraine want us to believe two things at once. and the one had they want us to believe the ukrainians are on the verge of victory in the far eastern part if you can. on the other hand they want us to believe russia president vladimir putin is about to march all the way to paris. you can't believe both of those thanks at the same time. the reality is ukrainians have showed russia president vladimir putin is a lot weaker than people fear and and portly they've shown if europeans are willing to step up and take more responsibility for their own defence they can handle russia president vladimir putin, lettuce and -- focus on china. >> would you vote against the new aid package?

we've got any video with couple hostages one of them and israeli-american period deeply this administration is doing the wisest, the best and the most it can to get all hostages released? >> i don't shannon. if you want these hostages released you first avoca to enable israel to finish the job and second of all put america's diplomatic weight behind and on hamas. pressure hamas to release these hostages, to is america's diplomatic leverage to effectively cause the israelis to pull back here. at the goods are the shameful and shows frankly a lot of folks don't respect the united states of america. we saw of citizens being held hostage and our president, instead of focusing on getting them back, is focused on micromanaging one of our allies or efforts i guess so he can placate these crazy people protesting and college campuses. but it's such a confused policy and makes people i think recognize that america with joe biden at the helm is unfortunately too weak.

>> shannon: we will discuss more of that with senator murphy but you referenced the campuses, some in your party are calling for the president to activate the national guard and others pray much of the worry of what can happen. no america wants a repeat of that. how should this ministration be responding to these protests? >> i don't know if you need to call a national guard, may be just police. it's often a friend of -- framed as a free-speech debate. everyone accepts their time play some minor restrictions. these guys have the right to politically protest even if we criticize the message. they don't have the right to set up tent cities on our public spaces and turn our cities into garbage dumps. i think that's what we should not allow and the police should handle that job easily. >> shannon: we will watch and sea because it doesn't look like it's coming out in the time soon. i want to ask about a new york times piece that talked about your relationship to the trumps. they talked about your evolution from coal him loathsome and an idiot is someone who frankly is being floated as a vp pick to

join his ticket. here's a sample. a trump critic and famer -- former speechwriter for george w. bush who new fans for years described a mess and intelligent man with an extra night life story who is sunk to the depths of political deprecation. washington post saying you're going to the same negative plays he once criticized trump for going. he is not changed the last few years he is the same guy we've known a long time. so what has changed with you? that you're okay with the behaviour and may be supporting it and joining his ticket. >> we'll look this bull fact is the policies and results were really there. we had the inflation and rising wages and a world that wasn't on fire. now after four years, for use of joe biden we rising inflation, the stagnant economy and it seems like a crisis and every single sector of the world. if you can't look at the four-year accomplishment of donald trump and saved from the perspective of 2015 i was wrong i didn't think he would be the present, he was a good

president, that's not about, you know, seeking -- sinking to political derogation is looking at reality and recognizing he was a success. and i do think we have to make this point to a lot of americans and couldn't some who didn't vote for him in 2020 that the results were good and we can have a growing economy if we bring him back for round two. >> shannon: are you having conversations about one and the ticket? >> i've taupe -- talk to him a lot we are close, i've never spoken about being vice president. this is media speculation but if he did ask me i would have to consider it. the world is on fire and a sort of sea him as a fireman. >> shannon: okay thank you senator good to see. coming up billions of new dollars in aid as the prime mr benjamin netanyahu plans a ground invasion into rafah. some in his party are dead set against a. we'll last the democratic senator chris murphy about how the administration's handling our role in the conflict next. [ ♪♪ ]

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hamas released new video of two of the 130 hostages estimated it's been holding for more than 200 days. one of the mundelein is but he was an israeli american. meanwhile age egypt is sending a high-level delegation to talk and try to ever and an israeli offensive in the gazan city of rafah per jeff paul is live in tel aviv with more. hello jeff. >> reporter: yeah, shannon right now the u.s. military is

building a temporary peer in the mediterranean sea that could soon deliver much-needed humanitarian aid for war-torn gaza and the civilians who are right now trying to shelter from all the fighting this could come and a more desperate time. this is reality for palestinians trying to shelter from the lord. moving from city to city and digging holes and putting up tents to make yet another temporary home. light which mack. >> voice of interpreter: this is the third time we are relocating. there is no safety anywhere. >> there among the estimated will put 3 million displaced by israel's near seven-month campaign against hamas. summer no theme to the town of deer oblong and sensual gaza as israel's signals its getting close to a major ground opposition -- opposition in the southern city of rafah night which mack and mack wherever we go there is fear. >> reporter: miles off the coast of gaza u.s. military started building a temporary

peer that will look similar to this one and could help deliver much-needed humanitarian aid. just this week the peers future port came under a mortar attack. >> in the u.s. forces and started moving in thing there would be u.s. forces on the ground. >> reporter: tensions are also growing in israel. demonstrations broke out in both through slim and tel aviv after hamas released a hostage video of israeli american persian goldberg. the second video featuring an israeli american keith siegel it was the first and they were seen alive since they were abducted by hamas of the october 7th attacks. hirsch was missing most of his lower left arm and his prince called a video overwhelming and pushed world leaders to bring all 133 still messing back home. >> sees this moment and get a deal done. >> reporter: we are when the u.s. secretary of state anotny

blinken will visit for a two-day trip. it's twofold as he is trained to find a path forward to secure not only a cease-fire in gaza but also figure out a way to get all those hostages currently still being held by hamas back home. shannon. >> shannon: jeff paul in israel this morning for us thank you. joining me now the connecticut senator chris murphy welcome to fox news sunday. >> thank effectively. let's start there. he heard this demonstration -- thinks this administration is wasting too much time oppression is real and not hamas. when hamas has walked away with the number of potential deals with hostage exchange. what is your word to the white house on this? >> we share a goal to make sure they never have the opportunity to launch an attack like this. i think i worry is that the nature of this operation we'll ultimately make this more likely in the long run there's another terrorist attack in israel cap perhaps one on the u.s. but we have learned the hard lesson and

both iraq and afghanistan that you cannot defeat a terrorist force simply with military force. so what is happening according to our own at halogens analyst is we are essentially creating recruiting material for terrorists all around the world when you have 13,015,000 elgin dying inside gaza. this is a moment i think where israel has to look to wrap up the campaign. i think it's important for the u.s. to play a roll in helping facilitate that transition and in the end you have to understand a military campaign alone cannot do the job to try to defeat an ideology like hamas. >> shannon: paire to say also the examples you mentioned we see the danger in leaving behind a terrorist organization as well and that's clearly the concern israel has. >> that's right but what we have

also seen is that there terrorist organizations that get displays. what happened in afghanistan was the taliban move to pakistan. isis largely moved its base of operation into africa. what you need to do simultaneous to military campaign is make sure you are attacking the foundation of the ideology which is why this is also a moment for the u.s. and israel to commit itself to a palestinian state peer you'll never eliminate the terrorist threats to israel but you can greatly decrease the motivation for young men and women to join those extremist groups if palestinians have a home of their own. that has to be the end result of this collet. >> shannon: but you know the prime mr and not just him but others in the government there who are not allies of his say its rewarding terrorist behaviour and what happened october 7. >> there only to pass forward unfortunately for israel, if you want a jewish state in the middle east and at some land desperately want in the interest of the united states and you

either have to permanently treat palestinians second-class citizens or you have to give them a state of their own. i think you will sea at the end of this that a lot of israelis who will stand up and say listen it is time to get us back on a path to palestinians. a hope that we'll be the outcome when the israelis go to the polls. >> shannon: meanwhile we see that out passion on both sides of this on campuses, we've seen people through and and clearly anti-semitic statements and posters and people not listening to the college of ministry dues who are saying you're violating campus policy and you have to go. there are those who say it is time for the president to get involved or national guard to get involved as it had during immigration and other rights. used ted cruz. >> a real president would save federal law enforcement we'll be that you will not be subject to violence. but joe biden won't say that

because he is terrified of ticking off the radical left in the zone party. >> washington time said mr biden and his team were trying to judge whether it's politically better to support israel, terrorist both are neither. could be traced back to politics in michigan because mr biden knows he needs 15 electoral votes from there to an reelection. why hasn't he been more forceful on this issue? >> senator cruz has a selective memory about protests. he's out there raising money to get protesters out of jail while telling and people on our college campuses they don't have the right to peacefully protest the. >> at the quay speaking out at a peaceful protest at the goods the threats. >> we should all speak out right when protest cross a line and he comes violent or when there is hate speech. but 95% of the young people on these campuses are there. they believe there's a fundamental injustice in israel

and we should protect their right to peacefully protest. we also have a history of overnight multi- day protests in this country prepare don't think there's anything wrong with protecting the ability of peaceful protests to last beyond a handful of hours. yes there is a point in which these protests will get in the way of the efficient operation of the campus but i'm not criminally offended by the fact some of these protests go on for multiple days. >> shannon: but the threat issue is a real issue. >> and some of these campus protests therapy and legitimate threats to students on campus and i think in those instances the campus police can and should handle those threats. >> ought to ask you about president biden you're also supporting him and think he is up to another for your spirit but the north time says voters are reminiscing about better years under president trump. they say many voters of course memory him as divisive and a polarizing figure yet a larger share of voters now see his term

as better for the country then the current administration reported to% rate the truck presidency it is mostly good for the country. twenty-five% say the same about mr biden echoes on to say nearly half say the years of biden's and ministration have been mostly bad for the country. why should they reelect him? >> was in, this president has presided over an economy that's growing at record rates. we have unemployment at structurally low number. you want a job in this country you can get it. crime is plummeting. there is still a lot of progress to be made here but of donald trump wins its going to be the same trickle-down economic policies that we've lived with. you will have a reckless hack euros possible and ministration that tries to seek to divide us from each other peer joe biden still has work to do but this is a growing capita economy. our streets are safer, this country is respected around the

world again. i admit this is going to be a close election by thank joe biden will have an incredible record run. >> shannon: and before we go i want to ask you quickly you are doing an effort along or with republican governor of utah spencer kok. -- spencer cox. you say were to divide it is there an appetite for that, to people really want to sit talisman who opposes them and try to find solutions? >> i hope so. i will work for president biden and try to get him reelected. it's meant to be a fight in this upcoming election but we've got to find a way to be able to talk to each other and a more functionally. governor cox and i are specifically discussing the ways in which this country has early devalued the common good. become a hyper individualistic country. i love entrepreneurship and no one people to succeed individually but i want us to care about our neighbours anyway i don't think we do like we did 30 or 40 years ago. governor cox and i will try to come up with a set of ideas that may be breakthrough the fights left and r right have try to

rebuild a sense of common good in this country. we will sea if we succeed. i know where doing a little countercultural but at the get scratches a biggest across the country's people will track the efforts. thank you senator could deceive. a busy week and courts for performer president trump x. tablet publisher david pecker takes the stand in his hush money trial. the first week of testimony and the supreme court hears historic arguments on presidential immunity. jonathan turley joins us next then our sunday panel to discuss the political impact of the cases. next. [ ♪♪ ]

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[ ♪♪ ] from allegations of payoffs and porn stars to a history making case at the u.s. supreme court its been a momentous week for the trump legal team pair time to break it down with george washington university law professor and fox news country but are jonathan turley. this week's bream brief. great to have you. we heard about celebrities and bearing stories in these kinds of thanks. did we hear about a crime? >> no. it seems to be a trial and search of a crime. what to thank is interesting is

after the first week there is a real chance a reversible error has occurred. this trial may have been grounded before a left port. judge merchant allowed the government to repeatedly refer to federal election violations and those are contested. the jury likely believes as a fact there were election violations here. the whole question is was a done to cover those up? most of us believe there is no such violations by the trump campaign or by trump. the department of justice didn't appear to believe that they decided not to charge they chose x. find about what occurred in the campaign. this started out rather poorly. >> shannon: i want to ask about some thing else that happened this week it deals with harvey weinstein. party for stuff and bucket have

the trump case. at that with bringing evidence of other cases and allegations, this is how any -- the new yorker describes it. the cases reliant evidence of charged activity we'll nevertheless support trump and his team ample opportunity to push back that his prosecution has been unfairly skewed by political zeal and potentially drawing the trial into the thicket of legal questions that brought down weinstein's new york verdict. how are these cases somewhat related? >> i think they are related. thank part of the problem many of us are seeing at how the court has handled this case is by allowing the government to bring in all of this extraneous stuff. you know, the government started to talk about the salacious a width of playboy bunny that's not part of the indictment. and, you know, whatever pecker did to federal -- in regard to federal election laws is not attributed to doll jumper at the

question than becomes how much did that poison the well? i think it likely did. the court was correct in reversing the weinstein conviction. the judge was weigh out of line in my view on the evidence that was introduced. this case does appear to be a sort of financial version of that type of testimony bringing in uncharged conduct. >> shannon: i was in the courtroom friday but thursday is up in court doing something momentous in that justice asking us -- saying you're asking us to right a rule for the ages about whether or not there's immunity for for president and how far coast we'll be talk of a criminal liability. here's what justice jackson said she is worried if they do some the sweeping that former presidents will take advantage. >> once we say, no criminal liability mr president khaki and do whatever you want. i am worried that we would have a worse problem then the problem of the president feeling constrained to follow the law while in office. >> shannon: on the other side

of this got justice alito worries and income it loses the heated race then the victorious opponent decides they will go after them. that winding up being sort of a destabilizing force on democracy. where do you think they land? >> there is a slippery slope on both sides. but i was surprised with the three justices on the left they didn't seem at all concerned about how extreme that argument would be leaving a president with no protection. so the question that most of the justices were struggling with another thought they were doing in good faith is how do we find a more balanced pack nuanced approach here. the government made a major concession to justice courses when he said there are thanks you can't criminalize that a person does and the government said yes. and he said doesn't it sound alike immunity? is in our job to try to define where that is? it was a devastating moment so

there is a real chance that this could be sent back to the board to say we need more information about which of these acts were part of an official function which were not. that will take time and likely derail any effort to try trump before the election in washington dc. >> shannon: we now await that decision of the justices. in the meantime jonathan turley who will crown you justice, we appreciate your time. the accuser. >> thank you agree sheet their promotion. >> shannon: time the sunday group, the chair risk when the american dream tiffany smiley, fox news senior political analyst. molly hemingway and steph could and actio's politics reported. welcome all of you. a ghostly through his interesting pulling from cnn on this. only 44 semi- because americans express confidence of the jury chosen for this case we'll be able to reach a verdict. fifty-six% more sceptical a outcome is in the cards.

molly it seems to be across political ideologies. >> announcer presley. the whole reason why receiving prosecutions of democratic areas is to secure quick and easy convictions ahead of an election. but it brings up this bigger issue that and where kids are clearly seeing. we can talk about the particular weaknesses of one case or another but really i thank a lot of americans are very concerned about using the courts offer to go after political opponents. you are seeing that in every single case. the more reporting coming at using more coordination about the time of these cases to go after the dog -- democrats topical opponent. and in the supreme court oral argument people were concerned about using the ports to go after political opponents. rubicon has been crossed and americans are worried about what will have rule block give the democrats are engaged in this kind of politicized law. >> shannon: and more from cnn it says a rising share of americans say the charges in the ongoing krish does criminal

watchmen hro relevant to his fitness for the presidency even if true. a lot of people are saying they don't only care about the hodgman case as -- at least it would affect his ability to be president. >> i think you're seeing overwhelmingly the indigenous have helped him with his base. the poem we are in the terms of the presidential races y. and which trump is trying to persuade republicans who've came along -- come along. as well as independence. they are going to decide this election. what we saw this week all this talk about how people are paid to catch and kill stories and money to women you having affairs with while you're married and trump being caught in the courtroom unable to campaign, you can say my gosh, you know, he thinks the presidency of joe biden is orchestrating all those. that's just another part of his fabric adding something in order to try to make the people ignore the reality.

>> shannon: was literally number 3 department of justice. coordination is black i'm just saying this is a case with real evidence molly. real evidence people testify checks were side everybody can say that but for his base it doesn't matter. here's what matters. if he is found guilty i think it will matter a little bit. but he if -- if he is found in us and i think win for top. >> and here's the thing, there some attrition of voters at least some percentage if he is found guilty on a criminal charge. msnbc has a piece saying despite his position and the narrowest -- nearness of the poles of a small percentage are swayed by guilty verdict it could have assessment political impact. the races that close. >> democrats don't want to hear this sorry juan but these trials won't move the needle in the election i don't think.

it won't help biden adult, you know, a poll in march showed 55% of registered voters said a conviction would make no difference in how they voted. what this tells me is over the past for a years the american people are looking for president who will deliver results. we have a failing economy and an open border invasion at the border and unrest around the globe. so the borders are going to look -- there saying we don't want joe biden want another option. and as trump continues to talk about the issues affecting american people he can deliver on that. but these trials are not going to affect an election. >> there's an interesting question is while about whether or not president biden should hope he wins on the immediate case saying he is artist at the stand of the prosecution of the chief political rival is an acceptable course of action so if trump's department of justice prosecutes biden a very 2025 it

would some plea be returning the favour. they've been careful not to comment on that case. >> we do know trump is already preparing for the idea of going after biden if he does when in november. we've reported the barley discussed what it will look like to use justice department to turn this around and go after biden a similar fashion. and to this point the supreme court deciding on this will be huge and not just for this case but for presidents moving forward. it such a monumental moment and going back to how those plays politically it's true. every person i talked to thinks this is big differ trump. most people already know how they feel about him and about these hodgman dependents especially this case in particular. and this goes back to 2015. it's a well-known case already so it's unlikely to make a difference. similes other cases jump is facing and these other issues

that might be able to move the needle given where we are with the supreme court, it's unlikely they will move far before november. >> shannon: we are standing by. okay panelled "for i will take a quick break. up next biden and trumbull say it is on but will they actually go head-to-head on the debate stage we are problem expections next. >> they do i'm not sure it's the choice

>> i am somewhere now i am unhappy did it. >> to stinnett carquest and it, there's an egg car fred in our national television we're ready. >> shannon: president joe biden former president trump both say they are willing to take part in a presidential debate. we love to hear that. we are back now with the panel, we did a recent fox news poll question on this. a presidential candidate skips a debate what you think it says about them please 72 cemex says it shows weakness. nineteen% says it shows strength. i get the sink -- since they really want to do it. >> so. i think we'll sated -- see it debate at this point. it's kind of want the biden team is looking at closely. 's but this certainly going to

be risky for both biden and trump. you can imagine scenarios where either one of them comes off either too aggressive on trump's side or fumbling on biden's side. italy really interesting to see who comes on top. we know the biden team is probably not sure this is the right move. they've been hesitant to commit so far so it was notable biden himself for the first time really committed to be willing to take part. >> you don't hear winning candidates call early for debates right now i think the numbers are clearly trending towards biden the momentum has gone i think from plus four. >> but the swing states we know that's where this is from this mecca things trending positively the point is they should debate. lets the amman action. but the fact is trump refuse the

debate. >> shannon: his lead is so high hughes again collated decision and didn't need to do it at that point. >> so biden could say the same thing but except it's really about republican efforts to say i wonder if biden can due. we member the constantly question if he is a doddering old fool and afraid of debates. >> shannon: if they don't show up. >> the fact is if you look at the past week and what he didn't and negotiations with johnson on the hill to get money for you can, israel and taiwan you have to say while macula of the state of the union and say this is someone who's doing the job, look at the american economy which is booming. you look a crime going down and you think way to second. look at the growth in the infrastructure. can you say how are people calling him an idiot when were doing so well? >> the state of the unit is a great example. and washington dc people thought the state of the union went well

for joe biden and the rest of the country they were horrified. it was not just content but also in the demeanour of what was happening. i think he might wish he could do it but people know how dangerous it is to happen and unscripted moments. it's there some kneecaps on a weekly basis and also the fact the policies while popular inside washington dc are tremendously unpopular everywhere else. >> this is what poling is showing us. i want to make sure we get to this other story about what's going on campuses senator hawley has scent a letter to the white house because he think system for federal action. one into first airborne division to ensure. i urge you to protect students on columbia's campus in any of

the campus this is going on never again means never again. 's tea since the ministration we'll go there? there are inherent risks in doing that. >> don't know if the national guard is necessary but anti-semitism is sweeping the country and being fed by universities in the economies of the democrat party. i believe they should bring in law and order and bring in it to protect the students obsolete. 's i think it's sickening to sea him stand with the plot of these actions. i think it support to remember that under donald johnson administration had the abraham accords. the most peace in the middle east our country has seen in 50 years. we would be experiencing this right now. absolutely, bring in law and order and protect these students allow them to go back to school. and if that regards maybe this is good and exposing what's happened in the last brought our years. >> shannon: the prison has

said he is against it buddies also against people who don't know what's going on with the palestinians picked los angeles times said it's a terrible idea with history of the u.s. the ohio national guard killed proper unarmed students and we did nine others at a rally against the vietnam war in 1970. clearly no one wants the repeat of those optics. >> know they don't. there's a lot that can be done, campuses can take better action but they also wants taxpayer-funded smack we have a right to protest and most americans think what's happening in gaza is overdone. there there is no violence. >> there has been there have been threats. >> come on this is mostly peaceful. >> be good to leave it there by the first amendment is a key corporate of our country and i think we also brought that. panel, thank you we will sea you next sunday. up next to sit down with a former supreme court justice stephen breyer. making a case in a brand-new book but i also asked about campus protests and public pressure on justices to retire.

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retired supreme court justice stephen pryor spent nearly three decades in the high courts. the newest chapter of his life at a time when the country is focused on several high-profile arguments the retired justice is opening up about how he tackled some of them nation's most decisive cases. in his latest book why a chose pragmatism not structuralism he expenses longtime outlook on the courts and opposition to originals lead approach. he joins me for this week's sunday special. what do you say to your colleagues who listen years on the bench i saw this, there are many disagreements where they said we are only going with that what's in that book. >> we used to discuss this all the time have particularly with the students. we went to texas for example at a football stadium they must have thought it was a football game but they never seem to supreme court judge and we talked about it and before you know it, it was clear to them we

liked each other. it was also clear we didn't agree. so i said look this document written more than 200 years ago says 1788, 7089 as said look back things have changed. the values don't change. the freedom of speech stands for certain values but what it's apply to changes. george washington did not know about the internet. >> i don't look to the intent of the framers i don't care if they had some secret intent once again i look to the words of the constitution. but i ask what did those words mean to the society that adopted them? >> so he said student in the problem with your approach is it's too complicated. is to colocated, year the only one who can do it. but then i say to him if we follow your approach will have a constitution that no one would want.

so there you have the essence of the argument. >> reporter: we are seeing all over the country right now these explosive conversations [ chanting ] >> shannon: protests on college campuses. you were one of the eight in the eight to one decision that nearly everyone agrees is absolutely reprehensible and what they say and what they do but of course that's where the first moment is supported. so how are college administrators to navigate what's happening on college campuses quickly. >> we have the words, the freedom of speech. we know it there and tended to do pretty much. you and i can have discussions we'll really disagree. if we want. 's we could all kinds of ideas sometimes called the marketplace of ideas now you ask me how does that apply to a situation where i'm not present and i've had no evidence and i don't know what's actually going on. i don't want to admit that. but i'm not sure.

that's the job. you get the evidence, you try to find out another real threats here to people, what is going on of course you can go and hurt other people, of course you can advocate more it's real that someone's going to be heard. of course not. into a point of view yes, it's like so many constitutional issues. 's's''s its rarely good versus bad and it's often good versus good. you've got to figure out where does this fits. >> there are some who think that it moves them to pressure justices publicly when they think it's time for them to retire. you made your own choice, what do you make of these public halls whether they come from academia or pages telling any particular justice we think now is a good time. >> i think anyone can say what they want. i was 83 years old i think when i retired but justice sotomayor

is a spring chicken is. >> she is. i saw her today and she seems fully robust intellectually and physically. >> what is possible about the president assisting in creating a fraudulent slate of electoral candidates. >> i said there is a difference she is a spring chicken and i'm an old rooster. there we are. people can say what they want. the decision about what to do is up to the judge. >> it's lifetime appointment. >> in my mind at least there did come a time 83, 84, 85 i don't know how many eighties he went in there but it's time for another person. >> alright. thank you for dropping by to justice stephen breyer. this week i sat down with an author and we talked about her new book called love mom inspiring stories so the burning

motherhood. it's on sale wherever you like to get your books a great gift for mom. that's it for today thank you for joining as. i and shannon bream have a great week we will sea you next fox news sunday. [ ♪♪

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