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indiana residence. he had requested a search of his home out of an abundance of caution. it is still not clear what the documents are related to or even their level of classification. we have our legal expert barbara mcquaid ready to break it down and what we know in a moment. and meanwhile, the fbi and justice department's national security divisions have already launched a review of the material and how they ended up in pence's home. and we're also on capitol hill with the latest reaction from republicans who are already ramping up their congressional investigations into jean-pierre's handling of classified documents after leaving his post as vice president. and today's bombshell marks the third time in recent history in which a president or vice president has inappropriately possessed classified material after leaving office.

so where does that leave merrick garland? joining me now is monica alba, ali vitali and also barbara mcquaid. what do we know about the search of pence's home, how did it come about and what has happened since? >> there are still outstanding questions here, but what we know so far is that this was prompted by the discovery of classified information at president biden's home according to lawyers for former vice president pence, that led them to hire outside counsel and ultimately prompt review of any material that the vice president took with him after he left office to his indiana home. this is not the home he went to directly after leaving the vice presidency, it is a home we understand that he purchased in 2021 later so that there are questions about just exactly where the documents went through the transport of that. but they did end up somewhere in

his personal residence. and after his lawyers discovered what they are calling a small number of these things with classification markings. again, we have to be really generic here because we don't know the number, we don't know the total pages. we just know that ultimately they ended up going into four different boxes. and this is something that the former vice president's team notified the national archives of pretty quickly they say in these letters that we were able to obtain. and after that process, then the national archives started off what happened in terms of the chain of events. we saw with current president biden as well and letting the department of justice know about this. and then we understand through this letter that last week a couple of days ago when the former vice president was actually in washington, d.c. for the march for life, agents went to his home in indiana to recover some of these documents and this material. and that stayed in indiana until the former vice president's team could conduct a handoff to the national archive which is

according to this letter that happened yesterday. so that is a little bit of the time line. the former vice president's team very quick to say as soon as they found out about this, they did the right things, they took steps that we know former president trump did not when the national archives had requested many pages of classified records that were down in mar-a-lago, ultimately recovered by an fbi seizure. but what is noticeable here as well is that when he was asked about this, former vice president pence just a couple months ago said that he didn't believe that he had any of these documents in his possession and that he was confident that things were packed and moved in the correct manner. so this is raising questions about how the documents got there and we just don't know what is in them, what kind of materials these are what which is another outstanding question still for the biden-related documents. >> and barb, to monica's point, i'm sure our viewers' heads are spinning like ours are with yet another revelation.

but the fact that pence was so vocal after the revelation of the documents being at mar-a-lago and saying that he did not have any classified material with him, does it appear to be just an inadvertent mistake for mike pence? >> i think that is why the investigations occurred, it is important to find out the facts. it would seem illogical for someone to make those kinds of statements if they knew that they had documents. it seems very irresponsibility to make those statements without first checking. but it is really astonishing to me to see how prevalent the problem is of former office holders retaining classified documents. these are very sensitive documents, they are supposed to be strictly controlled. and the glad theyare just floating around is deeply disturbing and you'd think that you'd make sure your own house

is in order before you go calling out the house of others. >> yeah, it is interesting that it seems that no one even knew they were missing, that there is no record with this with the national archives. a lot of problems with the system for sure. and so republicans seem to be going back and forth in the house and senate it is it relates to their perception of classified documents. didn't think that it was a big deal when it was donald trump, but a real big deal when it was joe biden. what are they saying now that it is mike pence? >> it depends who you are talking to, which side of the capitol you are standing on. right? because you listen to senators, republicans and in the last hour or so since we've gotten this information, and many of them are posings question that there is clearly some kind of larger problem here. in the case of intel chair mark warner, a democrat, he said any president or vice president should probably go check their closets because clearly this is a wide ranging problem here between both parties. despite the fact and we've point this had out multiple times, but it bears repeating, the

instances between trump are different than the instances between biden and pence who did not obstruct when asked by national archives for more of these materials. nevertheless, you listen to senate republicans like lindsey graham, this is what they are saying. watch. >> okay. so let's find out how that happened. you got trump, you got pence, you got biden. only thing i think that you will find at my house is a bunch of chick-fil-a bags on the floor. bottom line is i don't know how this happened. we need to get to the bottom of it, i don't believe for a minute that mike pence is trying to intentionally compromise national security. i think that about biden and trump, but clearly we got a problem here. so what became a political problem, you know, for republicans is now national security problem for the country. >> reporter: so you are seeing him saying that this has become a national security problem. certainly there are others here

in this building who agree. on the senate side, the intel committee is going to get some general briefing from the director of national intelligence tomorrow. we know they have asked for damage assessments in the case of the trump mar-a-lago documents and as well as in the case of the biden penn center and as well as the wilmington home instance. so we imagine that that will come up tomorrow. but you look at the house side and we know ares were quick to begin sending letters asking for more information notably it seems the former vice president mike pence did reach out to the head of the oversight committee james comer saying that pence has agreed that he would be cooperative with any questions that they have. but i'll point you to the end of comer's statement where he says that former vice president pence's transparency is in his mind in stark contrast to the biden white house's who continue to withhold information from congress and the american people, comer seeming to

reference the idea that the biden white house knew the documents were found in november and they weightsed to disclose them publicly until january. but this does present a problem for the republicans that you and i cover all the time which they were eager to go after biden on this, it becomes a lot more difficult when now two instances on their own side of the i'll, republicans, former president and vice president, who now have the same kind of problem.i'll, republicans, former president and vice president, who now have the same kind of problem. >> and notably james comer left out donald trump in that statement. so barb, back to you. it seems to be a theme of this conversation that beyond who did something wrong here, this t. seems that the system is messed up. how is it that you can even take a classified document and just leave it in a box somewhere without someone knowing about it until you do some self policing? what needs to change here to prevent this from happening again? >> it is really astonishing to me. in most offices in government when dealing with classified information including my own at the u.s. attorney's office, we

had extensive training, rigorous rules, consequences for the failure to comply. and as a result, we took it seriously if we ever had a classified document, it would be like a hot potato, just read it and get it back where it belongs as quickly as po possible. possible. i think the white house is a scif. and so as a result of that, you can leave it on a desk in the white house and then the aides scurry about and put them away. and i think that in the hectic pace of everyday life at the white house, it is easy for those documents to get set aside. but before anyone checks out a document, they should be -- they should have to sign their name to it and let people know what the chain of you custody is and they should have to return it or put it in a burn bag. instead of documents seem to be getting scooped up with all the

rest without any accountability and multiple copies are missing. so that is something that needs to change. in terms of accountability from a criminal perspective, in most cases a crime is committed when there is a willful violation or grossly negligent violation which requires more than simple they go against or i didn't know it was there, inadvertent as we've seen to be willfulness o disloyalty to the u.s. i see no evidence of that to joe biden or mike pence. contrary to donald trump where we have willfulness and obstruction of justice. >> thank you for breaking all of this down for us. appreciate it. we're also watching a story developing at the department of justice, that is where attorney general merrick garland just announced an anti trust lawsuit

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california is reeling after yet another deadly mass shooting attack. 7 people were killed and one person seriously injured after a gunman opened fire at two farming businesses in half moon bay. the suspected shooter seen here surrendering to police after the shooting attack has been identified as 67-year-old

chun li zhou. and the shooting took place about 30 miles south of san francisco. the victims were all agricultural workers according to the mayor. just a few hours later and north of half moon bay, there was another mass shooting, one person dead and seven others injured. and this is following the attack in monterey park when a gunman opened fire on a crowded dance hall. in total three mass shootings in just the span of three days in california. three of the 39 total mass shootings in the united states since this year began. joining me from half moon bay is jake ward. thanks for being here. what more do we know about the half moon bay shooting and the victims in this case? >> reporter: well, the terrible tragedy of this on top of just

the just plain horror of violence like this is just how tiny a community this is and how unheard of it is for this to happen here. the district attorney in this county saysing in like this has ever happened before. the shear number of victims in one location is unprecedented in the history of this county. i'm standing here in the first of the two shooting scenes. this is the mushroom farm where the alleged shooter chun li zhou supposedly worked. he killed four and leaving a fifth gravely injured and then drove himself a mile away to the second scene where three more people were killed. and this is not just a workplace, this is also a residence for roughly 25 agricultural workers. their families. this is a place where children live and as we understand it, from authorities, there were children on site at the time, they may have witnessed the actual shooting or at least the after math. they had to be evacuated to a shelter where they had to wait

to see whether their family members or friends may have been among the dead. so we've seen the ripple effect of the horror in a place like this where you typically come for the pumpkin festival or the surfing, to get things from the stands along the roads, to see the horror spread through this tiny community is unprecedented. >> jake ward, thank you so much. let's talk more with the state senator representing the 13th district in california including half moon bay. josh becker, thank you for being here. tell us about the community half moon bay and what should people know about it? >> i was listening to the radio and i heard the song "welcome to paradise" and that came to my mind. it does seem like paradise, an idyllic community, there are beaches, a town. and also a large agricultural community that most people don't necessarily see with over 100 farms, we have thousands of farm

workers. and that is really exactly where this tragedy has struck. it is a very close knit agricultural community and that is where it is particularly devastating to all involved at this time. >> and so talk to me about the pattern here that we've seen over the past three days in california, there was second shooting yesterday that happened at oakland, technically not in the 13th district that you represent, but it is just across the bay. and of course there is the shooting in monterey park. as a lawmaker, someone who is part of your responsibility is to prevent something like that from happening, what is your reaction to seeing so much violence in such a short period of time? >> i have to tell you, it is heartbreaking. it is also angry. what more can we do. we do have the toughest gun laws in the country. our stats are way better than most other states. but that doesn't mean anything when you have seven people dead

in my community, in my district of our neighbors. we're an outlier in guns, health care, prisons. and so ultimately we have to have action at the federal level. we have car crashes, we mandate air bags. fentanyl, we try to have a that all my colleagues, we're all on the phone, all texting, all talking. and we're looking at every aspect of the process of buying a gun, of storing a gun, of the red flag laws that we pioneer here and we can implement those better. so those are all things we're looking at. and so what can we do, that is what we're looking at right now.

>> and i want to talk to you about how the governor responded to this. governor newsom was at the hospital meeting with the victims of the monterey park shooting when he was pulled away to be briefed on the half moon shootings. and he called it a tragedy upon tragedy. i know you are frustrated because there is only so much that california can do because guns can be brought across the border from states that have less strict gun laws. you've talked about the red flag laws and things along those lines. but how much are you -- i won't say pressure, but encouraging your colleagues at the federal level to try to push for stricter gun laws across the entire country? >> well, the governor has been great. he reached out right away. he's been on top of this issue from day one. and as he tweeted out, you know,

we had 28 times more deaths from gun violence than peer countries. and you just look at that stat and it hits you right in the face. we have to do more despite the pressure from the nra, despite people trying to obfuscate and mislead. we have to come together around more reforms. congress did pass something modelled in part on our red flag laws. but it is not enough. we know, again, studying other countries, we know what can be done. and that is what i just encourage my colleagues at the federal level to come together and to dig dealership and there has got to be more that they can do. this is not rocket science. this is a series of five or six policies that we all know and it is really a policy choice. we need the political will to do it. >> and headline after headline,

you wonder are americans becoming numb to tragedies like these. i have to imagine that it is anything but numb for the victims and calls for reform must continue. josh becker, thank you so much for being here. we appreciate it. and coming up, the doj takes on google again. and hearing under way in the case to donald trump's election interference. why the d.a. is asking a judge to keep the grand jury's findings secret for now. e grands findings secret for now. sweet pillows of softness! this is soft! holy charmin! oh! excuse me! roll it back, everybody!! charmin ultra soft is so cushiony soft, you'll want more! but it's so absorbent, you can use less. enjoy the go with charmin. i'd like to thank our sponsor liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. contestants ready? go! only pay for what you need. jingle: liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.

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imminent. joining me is vaughn hillyard. what can we read into the comments about any potential charging decisions that may come down soon? >> the two headlines are number one, we don't have the report in our hands right now. this is the report that the special grand jury that was empanelled in fulton county completed earlier this month after an eight month investigation into alleged efforts by donald trump and allies to overturn the election results in georgia. that is the report that is on the docket to potentially be made public in what numerous sides made the case in the case of the district attorney fani willis arguing that it should not be made public for the sake of a few trial referring to potentially future defendants whose trials could be, you know, harmed in some way by the public dissemination of evidence that was accumulated over the course of the special grand jury's investigation. but then on the other hand,

there was even perhaps more noteworthy new which is was directly from fani willis who has been investigating now the greater part of two years this very alleged conspiracy. and she said at the beginning of the hearing that decisions were, quote, imminent. what does that mean? well, again, when we reference that investigation that the special grand jury completed, the report is expected to include recommended charges, it is now the prerogative of the district attorney herself to take the report, consider the recommended charges from that special grand jury, then go in front of a different grand jury and make the case that that grand jury should issue indictments. and that is what we are waiting on the district attorney to conclude to go before the grand jury, propose the indictments that should be made and then the decision of that grand jury whether to indict individuals or not. other news out of this is that 75 witnesses according to the

district attorney's office were interviewed as part of this investigation and to note donald trump's attorneys they were not on hand for this hearing today. them telling me that they were never asked to pair voluntarily and donald trump was never subpoenaed so they felt no need to be a part of this hearing. >> and obviously if any news break, we'll bring you back. let's talk more about it with the dekalb county district attorney, former district attorney, and co-author of the report fulton county georgia's trump investigation. and gwenn fleming knows a lot about this particular story. so tell me your initial reaction it what d.a. willis had to say. >> i think that right out of the gate you heard from her personally that she is looking to protect the integrity of whatever future trials she may be contemplating. she did say decisions are imminent. and she wants to make sure that if and when she names defendants and names charges that they are

able to be tried in the court of law, not in the court of public opinion, and that those convictions if any are able to stand. so that is her number one priority right now it seems to me. >> so how do you think the judge handles this? because obviously as a journalist i believe in sunshine, i want access to everything, but i do understand the district attorney's perspective on this that it could potentially taint the jury pool for future potential process could you goes. is the judge taking all these things in to account as they deliberate this particular issue? >> he did. and again, it was a great hearing to be able to watch. you've got the d.a. saying that the grand jury's report is part of an ongoing criminal investigation which should be kept secret unless and until there are charges named. you have the media saying like you did that this should be made public, it is a final report, it is a court document and should be made public. and then you have the judge sort

of splitting the baby between the two. saying that he needs to take this under advise himself with these competing interests and figure out what if anything will be made public. but he also said that he would give both sides the opportunity to weigh in once he makes that decision. >> and this is not the only investigation going on into the alleged election meddling from 2020. we know prominent republicans like lindsey graham, mark meadows, rudy giuliani, were all involved in this investigation. how would the release of their testimony have an impact on this investigation, this prosecution and even these other investigations that are going on into the former president and his role in the 2020 election? >> i think that was one of the biggest things that pointed out when the prosecutors made the claim that this is secret and they needed to protect not only the integrity of the case but to protect

individuals. i think that they said that it would be dangerous for the report to be released. and the judge countered saying that much of the system, certainly those that testified as part of the january 6 committee investigation, that testimony is already out there. and doj is working its parallel investigation to see whether an what is going on. so that is one of the things that the judge will weigh.natur what is going on. so that is one of the things that the judge will weigh. whether much of the information is already public and whether there is anything to protect at this point. obviously we're all waiting to see what if any charges might come forth, but i think at the same time he wants to give the d.a. the opportunity to make those decisions after a full reyou radio of the report and not rush her. >> thank you sochb for your perspective. and moments ago the justice

department announced a second antitrust lawsuits filed against google, it focuses on google's online ad business claiming that it abuses its dominance in online advertising. the doj is joined by eight states. merrick garland spoke to the importance of the lawsuit just minutes ago. >> monopolies threaten free and fair markets. they stifle innovation, they hurt producers and workers and they increase costs for up canners. >> and ken dilanian is joining us. what more you can tell us 1234. >> in announcing the lawsuit, the assistant attorney for antitrust cited passages that came from internal emails from

google that he said supported the idea that google was acting. one employee described the company's shell game in which it pays publishes $3 billion yearly by, quote, overcharging its advertisers. sgoogle le advertisers. le advertisers. sgoo going would is google is pushing back saying that it will stifle innovation.would is google is p back saying that it will stifle innovation. but this is a move by saying that google so dominates the ad tech business that other competitors can't wedge their way in. >> and so this does come after doj officials weighed in on

cantor and tell us what the conflict was. >> yeah, cantor was -- assistant attorney general who helped with the announcement today. leads antitrust division and there had been some question as to whether he should recuse himself from matters involving google and apple because he had been a frequent critic of both of those big tech firms and represented in private practice smaller tech firms in various disputes. and just recently the justice department ruled that he was free to proceed in this matter involving going. they are not explaining their reasoning. often these kinds of legal ethics matters hinge on very technical issues. they have not said whether he can proceed on apple matters. but is he is cleared on google. >> all right, ken, thank you for this breaking news. announcement from the department

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ticketmaster blamed a cyberattack for bungled sales. but competitors and even one artist clive lawrence stepped forward to say that the taylor swift debacle is only one symptom of a bigger problem, and the problem is that allowing a mega giant to control 80% of major concert ticket sales across the country. joining me now is garrett haake and savannah sellers. this is not the first time the federal government has put ticketmaster under the lens. we're both pearl jam fans. and so walk us through what happened here today and how we got there. >> reporter: i'm a swifty by marriage and pearl jam fan by blood. so i've been following this issue for a long time and i can tell that you ticketmaster's explanation that it was a bot issue did not carry any water with lawmakers on either side of the aisle. kind of one of rare hearings

where there was bipartisan consensus that the ticketmaster/live nation giant is bad for competition and bad for artists. ted cruz ran the lightning round through the witnesses who came to the key question about whether they think ticketmaster is a monopoly. listen to what they said. >> in your judgment, is it a monopoly? >> unequivocally. >> yes, sir, without a doubt. >> yes, absolutely. >>s it is certainly acting like a monopoly. >> i'm not sure. it is certainla monopoly. >> i'm not sure. >> so do you agree with the other witnesses on this panel? >> we absolutely believe that the ticketing business has never been more competitive. >> reporter: the question is what is congress or anyone else going to do about it? some of the lawmakers after the hear and even before suggested that it might come down to the

federal government suing ticketmaster in much of the doj is taking on google to try to break up the gigantic company. or it may take legislation in which they have struggled to move forward in recent years. >> i have to imagine that there are a lot of fans who have waited trying to get tickets who probably laughed audibly when they heard the ceo say that it is the most competitive the ticket industry has ever been. what are fans hoping come out of this hearing, do they want to see ticketmaster and live nation break up? >> reporter: i'm a swifty and i was in those queues and we were all upset. taylor swift posted a statement after it all happened calling it excruciating to watch this t. happen. but the emotions about a fan, of course, they cannot be regulated. it may never be easy to get your

hands on a taylor swift ticket because she is so popular. she'd have to play a tour every night for 2 1/2 years to meet the demand from swifties wanting those tickets. but then i have clive lawrence saying that the problem for us is it is all under one house the promotion, the venue and the tickets as well as the fees. and so that is a big thing that fans are looking at. the fees that ticketmaster puts on top of those a that we heard from clive lawrence, a ticket costs 30 picks, they have no say in what is often a $12 fee that goes on top of that. those are the types of things. especially on ticket which i'm monitoring right now to see this reaction from the swifties. because this was a day where tiktok was paying attention to c-span and to a senate hearing wondering is anything going to change. can i get my tickets to my concert. >> and those same swifties probably heard you float the idea of a live stadium concert every single day the next 2 1/2

years and thought why not, why can't we do that. but this is not just about music. this extends in to events of all stripes including major sporting events. the nfl, heavy relies on ticketmaster. so it goes beyond music fans. any idea of a real tangible plan for structural change that would actually benefit the ticket buyer? >> there have been a couple different pieces of legislation offered up, one by senator klobuchar who has great issue in antitrust issues. one by senator blumenthal. the problem is getting everyone to agree on everyone the scope of the problem has been challenging. and republicans typically have not wanted to interfere in business practices unless it is kind of a very clear monopoly situation, they want to let these things be sorted out by the market itself. and it is increasingly clear i think from this hearing that there is perhaps more interest

now in legislative solution, but again, that is the longest possible way around this problem. i think that historically when you are looking at monopolies, companies that can be anti-competitive because they get so big, the doj tends to be the faster option to kind of break up the big giant companies regardless of field or industry. and that is a black box in which i have no insight as to whether doj is looking seriously on that issue. >> savannah, welcome to capitol hill, hope you enjoy your stay. come back more often. >> i know, look at this, team capitol hill and taylor swift fan. thanks for welcoming me. and up next, what florida governor ron desantis said led him to reject an ap course on african-american studies. t an a african-american studies

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guidelines and standards in florida. we want education, not indoctrination. if you fall on the side of indoctrination, we're going to decline. if it's education, then we will do. >> let's take a look at what was in this course. the state points to six subject areas of concern. black, queer studies, intersectionality and activism, movements for black lives, black feminist literary thought. reparations movement and black struggle in the 21st century, but they still have not provided specific reasons for changes. it's important to point out this interdisciplinary course is brand-new. still in its pilot program phrase and only available to 60 schools. the college board said this is still undergoing a rigorous, multiyear pilot phase collecting feedback from teachers, students and policymakers and if the

florida department of education has real concerns, they could voice them through the proper channels. joining me now is princeton university's chair of african-american studies, also an msnbc political analyst. your overall reaction to this ban and how the governor of florida is responding to it. >> well, i think it's disingeneralous. it reveals a deep -- to the subject matter and it's bad faith in so many ways. when you look at what he's responding to, the components of the fourth unit of the course and the title of the fourth unit is movements and debates. so it's not as if someone is just talking about intersectionality without putting conditions on which the students can understand it. folks are talking about modern black political movements. you have to talk about black lives matter. you can't talk about it without talking. when i look at what he's

identified, it shows that you know, a, it's intellectual at its core. >> let's talk more about that. the course as you point out is still not developed. even hasn't been released to the public, but nbc news has obtained a copy. it's an 81-page guide, paired with suggested readings. what is your response to the idea? this is one of the most interesting thoughts thon about teaching a comprehensive scope of african americans contributions and the governor describing that as indoctrination. how do you respond to that? >> you know, it's a reflection of governor desantis' attempt to engage in the culture wars. any attempt to tell the story of black folk in this country that brings to light the complexities of our experience, that calls into question a kind of polly

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