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artist at work, see the creativity, the connections made, it can be pretty special. and we do appreciate "the beat," logic said we can use it on the show. he actually just gave it to us in terms of the copyright, so you may hear it in the future. good you're looking to connect or want to recommend people we should have on mavericks, find me online @arimelber, on social media at ari melber on tiktok, and if you see at the top, at arimelber.com. you can give me your email and i'll email you myself. if you're not into the internet, keep it locked on msnbc and i'll hopefully see you here tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. tonight on "the reidout" -- they were there proud, they were there with love in their heart. that was an unbelievable, and it was a beautiful day.
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>> trump's disgusting lies about january 6th, which really looked like this, with death and destruction in the halls of the u.s. capitol. it was all part of a disastrous and embarrassing maga town hall hosted by cnn. which made only a half hearted effort to fact check him. and trump quite likely dug himself a deeper hole in the investigations he's facing. plus, breaking news. with the announcement late today of criminal charges in the choke hold death of jordan neely on the floor of a new york city subway train earlier this month. but we begin with donald trump, who by now you know was handed an opportunity to speak to his fans at a national audience last night on cnn. and it went about as well as you would expect because trump was who we already know he is, a liar, a narcissist, and a fascist. so it was an unmitigated disast in every way and a reckless insult to our democracy. it's completely fair to say we
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didn't need a town hall to find out what candidate trump thinks, since he was president for a whole four years. so it's not as though he needed a town hall to introduce himself. even worse, cnn somehow managed to stack the audience with a maga crowd that hooted and hollered and lapped up every line like you would expect from people who already voted for him. a trump rally is what it actually was. the twice embeached liable for sexual abuse former president steamrolled kaitlan collins from the very start and unleashed a fire hose of lies and smears for 70 minutes with the barest pushback. he doubled and tripled down on lies about the 2020 election. he denied he asked georgia secretary of state to find him votes and claimed mike pence could have legally overturned the election. he denied taking and refusing to give back classified documents with another whopper, saying he's allowed to. even the questions he's refused
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to answer were revealing. he refused to say if he wants ukraine to prevail in russia's invasion, and he failed to take a position on the abortion ban. then there were the smears. calling the black police officer who shot and killed insurrectionist ashli babbitt as she tried to smash into the speakers lobby by jumping through a window on january 6th, calling him a thug. quite a loaded term. in a disgusting display, he mocked and insulted e. jean carroll, just a day after a new york jury found him liable for sexually abusing and defaming her. while his maga superfans laughed and applauded his misogyny. >> we're walking into a crowded department store. we had this great chemistry, and a few minutes later, we end up in a room, a dressing room at bergdorf goodman right near the cash register and she found out there were locked on the door,
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so she said i found one that is open. she found one that was open. what kind of a woman meets somebody and brings them up and within minutes, you're playing hanky-panky in a dressing room. i don't know if she was married then or not. >> mr. president -- >> and i swear, i have never done that. i have no idea who the hell -- she's a whack job. >> mr. president -- >> wow. in short, it was blatant fascism meets the jerry springer show. cnn's own media reporter oliver darcy wrote this, it's hard to see how america was served by the skeptical of lies that aired on cnn adding the network and its new ceo are facing a fury of internal and external criticism. lict reportedly justified the debacle on the cnn morning editorial call this morning by saying trump made a lot of news as if donald trump gives a crap about that. as "the washington post" philip
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bump writes, this desired outcome is to attack and undermine the entire system because by breaking it down, he gains more power. he used cnn on wednesday the way he used the republican party in 2016. as a source of power he could disrupt and repurpose. and my friend and colleague mehdi hasan points out the whole event was designed to fail. sorry, but, as predicted, this was a clear win for trump. he felt no pressure and conceded nothing. he was welcomed onto cnn to address an audience of non-republicans watching at home and an audience of loyal republicans sitting in that hall in new hampshire. win/win. joining me is mehdi hasan, and michael steele, former rnc chair, msnbc political analyst, and host of the michael steele podcast. thank you both for being here. you have the disadvantage of not being with us, mehdi, so i'm going to start with you. you wrote cnn with this ridiculous town hall format put its own anchor in a position to
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fail. the only way collins could have semi-succeeded would be if she ignored the audience and the format and tried to pin trump down on each and every one of his false statements. her first question was as follows. polls show you're dominating the republican race right now. but you're also under active federal investigation for trying to overturn the 2020 election results. your first term ended in a deadly riot at the capitol and you have not acknowledged the 2020 election results. why should americans put you back in the white house? that sounds like a question that was designed to fail. your thoughts on all this? >> yes, just listening to you speak there and introduce it all, you set it up so well. it's so depressing. i went into last night thinking it was going to be bad, but it was worse than i thought. i thought cnn would have some kind of plan for the night. you and i, joy, we work in cable news. we work in television. if we had an interview like this, we would sit with the team and say, what if this happens, what if that happens.
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people are saying today poor kaitlan collins, she tried her best. and i'm a great admirer of kaitlan collins' interviews previously. she did a good interview recently with rick scott, but last night, it wasn't good enough. if you're going up with trump at 8:00, primetime television, the biggest interview of your life, where was the prep? why go in as you say with that question? why were you not prepared for his lies? we knew what trump would do. this is not 2016. we haven't gone back in time in a time machine. there's no excuse for not knowing that trump is going to steamroll you, that trump is going to verbally abuse you. when he said you're a nasty person, it was almost like, tick, i was waiting for that. no way he was going to go through the night without insulting her, no way he wasn't going to mock e. jean carroll, he wasn't going to say rigged election again and again. at one point, she said it wasn't a rigged election. you can't keep saying that all night long, yes, he can, and he did. and cnn helped him. you have no plan for it.
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i have a chapter in my book about gish galloping. i wrote a book on this and said donald trump is the master of the gish gallop. he will steam roll you, and you can't do a live tv format with donald trump and you can't do it in fronts of an audience of his superfans. it's setting up kaitlan collins to fail. >> and ask an open question to donald trump. we talked about this. i texted mehdi last night, what's the name of that thing? the reality is asking him an open question is inviting him to gish gallop. >> and not having follow-ups. when he says the democrats are executing babies, you don't move on to the next topic. you stay and follow up on that. when he said i didn't terminate the constitution, you stay there, you don't move on. >> and look, i think that this was as revelatory, michael, about the republican base as it was about donald trump and cnn.
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because a few things to me became clear last night. number one, cnn wants desperately to be the new home for republican viewers. they want to be the new fox. >> that's part of the agenda. >> and chris lict used to work here. he used to be e.p. of "morning joe" for a while. he used to work at cbs, but it's clear what he's doing over there under john malone, who was the big investor and the people above him, it's clear the goal is to make it a friendly place for maga. that's very clear. the other thing that's clear is that they allowed that audience to be filled with trump fans, to mehdi's point, these weren't undecided new hampshire voters. they decided to put his fans in the audience to be a cheering section. and the other thing i'll say, i'm in my feelings, is that if that's the base, the median of a republican, god help your party, because they were hooting and hollering, they were vicious. they were cruel.
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they were unpleasant. why would anybody want to join a party like that? >> so, there's a lot there to unpack. >> unpack. please. >> mehdi, i may need you to come in, brother. >> talk me down. >> so let's step back a little bit because everything you said is exactly on point. and i think that the important thing, let's take it as i can remember it because i'm old now. the first part is what cnn tried to do. and they succeeded at that. they gave us exactly what they wanted to give us. they knew what this formula would result in, and it played. unfortunately for their host, their anchor, she was the hapless victim placed in front of that crowd and in front of trump. for those moments in which the culmination was, you know, you're just a lousy person. you're just a nasty person. >> and let's remember, she comes from the daily caller. she comes from a conservative outlet that tucker carlson used to own. >> exactly.
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she was on fox's air a lot of times. so spewing that same pabulum, so that part was a check. that audience, to your other point, was the popcorn for those -- for the maga folks sitting at home, seeing cnn portray a maga audience in a favorable light, giving them the platform, and there was no counter to that. and the third piece, for me, last night, was really sort of the final nail in the coffin of the 2024 presidential republican presidential primary. because i'm sorry, ron desantis, if you're thinking about running for president, and you're on that stage with that man, you ain't ready, baby. i'm sorry. you are not ready for that. and imagine not one, two, but three or four other people on that stage with trump. it is like shooting apples in a barrel. it's picking them off one by
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one. and when do they have a chance to retort? >> that's right. >> when you come at me, i do one of these. uh-huh, and let nee go over here to ron. oh, ron, let me go over here to you, tim. he takes them all out, and the reality of it is, that last night set that platform up and put it into motion. >> 100%. the thing is, mehdi, we talk a lot, you and i talk a lot about it, michael and i talk a lot about that, how we avert the rise of fascism and the forward march of it in this country on the republican side. what cnn did last night, and even their internal meetings show the journalists over there ain't happy. we all know folks over there and have talked to them. they aren't happy because they understand what they undermined there, not only the great brand of cnn as a journalistic outfit and the brand of kaitlan collins who was put, set up to fail, but the idea that cnn is now a partner of donald trump in advancing his campaign. what republican is going to feel
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confident standing up to him after that? ron desantis is not even close to ready to deal with that. not even close. he has no personality. he couldn't even stand up to charlie crist when he gave him a hard time. this is it. >> or mickey mouse. >> or mickey mouse. >> i mean, no, i completely agree with michael about what a republican debate might look like, if trump bothers to take part in one. but let me say this about the people who -- people are angry about last night, people like you and i who care about the future of democracy and journalism and are embarrassed by what we saw, but yeah, ron desantis should be mad about last night, because donald trump did seal the deal. he didn't break a set. no moment last night, joy, when donald trump looked even 1% uncomfortable. you and i watched jonathan swan's axios interview for hbo. the only interview which has really held trump's feet to the fire. why? because jonathan came prepared, he took the right tone. he went deep.
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you could see, trump was panicking that night. and i just want to return to what you said about the crowd. so important what you said about the crowd, because chris lict apparently said on the morning call, look, we have to do this, have them in the crowd because large swaths of people believe what they believe. so? we know that large swaths of people believe in misogyny and racism, large swaths of americans believe in qanon. are we going to have a qanon town hall on cnn? where do we draw the line here? as for the people themselves, it was disgusting. and i will remind you of this, why donald trump is so unique, there are other awful republican presidents. they have cut taxes on the rich, gutted healthcare, they have deregulated, they have done horrible things at home and abroad, but things other presidents could come afterwards and maybe try to undo. what trump has done will be with us for decades. he has allowed some of the worst people in america to come out from under rocks. he's legitimized a corrosive
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behavior and he's allowed these people to say yeah, we're going to laugh and cheer at racism, saying people in chinatown don't spring english, we're going to laugh and cheer a woman who was sexually abused. that kind of stuff is going to be with us for decades. >> he turned cnn into twitter. that's a pretty big accomplishment. and to that very point, let us talk about some of the new things we're seeing today. you have tommy tuberville, not the brightest bulb in the fixture in the united states senate, saying white nationalists are just americans like anybody else. why shouldn't they be in the military. then he tried to clean that up. cut seven, of him trying to clean up his comments about white nationalists are just americans. they should be in the military too. take a look. >> what is a white nationalist? >> somebody who propagates naziism. >> you think a white nationalist is a nazi? >> that is one of their beliefs.
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yeah. >> i don't look at it like that. >> how do you look at it? >> i look at a white nationalist as a trump republican. that's what we're called all the time. a maga person. >> do you agree with that assumption? >> i agree that we should not be characterizing trump supporters as white nationalists. >> and scene. a white nationalist is a trump supporting republican. thank you, tommy tuberville. >> he called the thing what it is. >> and by the way, some anti-semites who praise hitler, are going to be at donald trump's doral property giving a speech at which eric trump is going to be. i don't know if he's going anymore, but the reality is, that's where we're at, michael steele. your party that has you in it. >> yeah. >> also now has open white nationalists. >> you're still in it? >> still there. >> color me fool. >> and tommy tuberville, not joy reid that's saying that white nationalists are trump maga
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supporters, tommy tuberville said they are. your thoughts, michael steele. >> thank you very much. >> it's with love that i ask. >> can i get a drink? >> yes, you can. as soon as you go off the set, cocktail time. >> here's the deal. yeah, no, i have had this conversation about four times today. believe it or not. and it really is, i mean, look, i'm not that crazy enough to know that there does come a point, and that's why i said what i said about last night being the death knell, the final blow in that coffin, if you will, for this primary, because it is now sealed, the way this is. so what does that mean for someone like me? what does it mean -- there are a lot of folks like me still in the party. >> i know a bunch of them. >> you know a bunch of them, and that is part, the soul searching is pretty much done at this point. >> it is. >> now it becomes more practical. okay, where is the parachute, the off ramp? because this does not get better from here. it really doesn't. and you know, for those who, you
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know, like to deride and chide and say why don't you come over here, why don't you do that? it is very difficult to leave something you have spent about half your life helping to build. doing good, ugly, and really, you know, interesting times. to watch it all disintegrate in such a short period because people willingly allowed it to happen. >> that's right. >> that to me is probably one of the more disappointing things when you have a tommy tuberville speaking more stupid than you can even imagine, but then calling the thing actually what it is. >> and he admitted it. i will say in tommy tuberville's defense, he's never been a bright man. >> i like stupid myself, but that's -- >> no one has accused him of being a bright man. mehdi hasan, michael steele, god help us all. thank you both very much. up next on "the reidout," the legal implications of last night's travesty is trump because he's just, i mean,
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performance last night, it did appear that the twice impeached liable for sexual abuse and defamation former president may have provided prosecutors with new evident that could be used against him in the multiple investigations that he's face. what you just heard from trump is likely to become the newest exhibit for fulton county d.a. fani willis if she chooses to indict trump over his efforts to overturn georgia's election results. this example, it was trump demanding that georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger, find him the votes he needed to be named the winner, even though there was no evidence of widespread irregularities in the state. last night, trump also weighed in on both of the special counsel's investigations, pertaining to the january 6th insurrection and trump's mishandling of classified documents. he may have also opened himself up to further legal jeopardy in the battery and defamation civil trial that just ended where a jury found trump liable to the tune of $5 million to writer e. jean carroll. after his comments last night,
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disparaging her and calling her a whack job, carroll and her lawyer say they're weighing whether to file a new defamation suit against her. joining me is glenn kirschner. let's start with e. jean carroll. could she say he disparaged me again. going in for more money? >> yes, and this would be the third suit she brought against him and like shooting fish in a barrel. right after a jury found for e. jean carroll. found among other things that donald trump defamed her, lied about her intentionally, and maliciously, and awarded damages that were designed to punish him, punitive damages and designed to deter him from defaming people in the future, the next day he goes out and he does what, he defamed e. jean carroll again. she can certainly bring a third suit. remember, there is a second suit
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still kicking around. that's the one she brought against him for statements he made while he was president. that's where bill barr tried to swoop in and sub donald trump out so he could dismiss that suit and shield donald trump from liability. that is still kicking around in the appellate courts. it's back in front of judge cap ll right now. her decision about whether those statements were in fact made within the scope of donald trump's official presidential duties which seems a bit ludicrous. she could now bring a third suit and use his posts in the aftermath of the jury verdict, where he clearly defamed her again. she could use statements made at the town hall, right after he lost a defamation trial against her. it would be a pretty easy suit. i think for e. jean carroll, to win. >> let's go to jack smith's investigations. here is donald trump admitting his supporters did what he told them on january 6th. >> you saw them rushing the capitol, breaking windows. they were hitting officers with flag poles, tasing them, beating
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them up. when it was clear they weren't being peaceful, why did you wait three hours to tell them to leave the capitol? they listen to you like no one else. you know that. >> they do. i agree with that. >> jack smith likely writing that down? >> oh, yeah. you know, joy, as ill-advised as i think this town hall was, why cnn would give a microphone and a platform who tried to violently stop the transfer of presidential power, there are definitely some gems in there for prosecutors. he made deeply incriminating statements over and over. and you know, you can casually and cavalierly lie in a town hall and perhaps it's not going to be to your detriment, but when he says things like when kaitlan collins asked him, did you show anybody those classified documents that you stole from the white house and brought down to mar-a-lago, here's what he said, quote, not really. not that i can think of. well, i'm going to go out of a limb and say prosecutors procedure have evidence that he
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did show them to people, so that's going to become what? a cover-up and consciousness of guilt. when she asked him point blank, you asked brad raffensperger to find you votes, here was his answer. quote, i didn't ask him to find anything. joy, government exhibit number one will be that clip. government exhibit number two will be the recorded phone conversation where he said, find me 11,780 votes. when you juxtapose those two things in a court, you're going to see the jurors' eyes roll up and they're going to be looking at their watches thinking when can i get back in the deliberation room to vote guilty. >> this is another one about whether he took the classified documents. here he is last night. >> just so you understand, i had every right to do it. i didn't make a secret of it. the boxes were stationed outside of the white house. people were taking pictures of the gsa, various people.
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i took the documents i'm allowed to. they become automatically declassified when i took them. >> glenn, here is what donald trump's lawyers last month sent a letter to congress saying it was an accident, an oversight that the documents were sent, not sitting outside. we have seen absolutely no indication that president trump knowing any possessed any of the marked documents or willfully broke any laws. rather, all indications are that the presence of marked documents at mar-a-lago was a result of haphazard records keeping and packing by staffers. literally the opposite of what he said last night. >> this is incriminating manna from heaven. one of the really difficult things that the prosecutors would have to prove is that donald trump knowingly and intentionally caused those documents to be transported down to mar-a-lago, but he has plugged that evidentiary hole nicely contradicting his own legal team in the process. you know, the only thing standing between a federal conviction and donald trump is a federal indictment. i have been saying all along, these cases will try themselves. the problem is, they can't
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indict themselves. that's why we are forever waiting for those federal indictments to come. >> yeah. and the sad thing is, it looks like there's a substantial amount of his base that would vote for him if he was inside sing sing based on what we saw tromthose people last night in that crowd. glenn kirschner, thank you very much. still ahead, prosecutors now say they will be bringing criminal charges against a 24-year-old man who used a deadly chokehold on a new york city subway. more details after this. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ what do we always say, son? liberty mutual customizes your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. now you get out there, and you make us proud, huh? ♪ bye, uncle limu. ♪ stay off the freeways! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ - this is jabra enhance select.
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we're following breaking news tonight in the death of jordan neely. daniel penny, the 24-year-old former marine who held the homeless black man in a deadly chokehold on a manhattan subway train for 15 full minutes will be arrested on charges of second degree manslaughter. he's expected to turn himself in as soon as tomorrow. since nealy's death nearly two weeks ago, protests have been ongoing across new york city as demonstrators demand justice for jordan. joining me is paul butler, former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. i guess my first obvious question is are you surprised that there will be a prosecution and that it took this long? >> it should not have taken this long. so under the law in order to be guilty of second degree manslaughter, you have to recklessly endanger someone's
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life. commit an act knowing you're putting someone's life in jeopardy. joy, the whole world has seen mr. penny choke mr. neely to death on videotape. i don't know why to took so long. d.a. bragg had to look at the videotape, do witness interviews, the medical examiner report which says that mr. neely died of homicide, and listen to the 911 calls. i don't know why that took two weeks. >> led me read the two statements. the law firm representing penny said mr. neely had a history of violent and erratic behavior. when he began aggressively threatening daniel penny and other passengers daniel with the help of others acted to protect themselves until help arrived. daniel never intended to harm mr. neely and could not have foreseen his untimely death. that's an odd statement, from the law firm representing daniel penny. your thoughts. >> on the video, you can see a
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passenger warn mr. penny about the danger of putting mr. neely in a chokehold. the passenger says, you could pick up a murder charge for this. it was entirely foreseeable that if you put your hands on someone's neck for minutes, that that person is at risk of losing his life. which is exactly what happened. >> the reality is for 15 minutes, you're holding someone, even the nypd are prohibited legally from doing what this man did, and he's a civilian. this is the neely family. it's clear he's the one who acted with indifference. by the time he killed jordan and now in his first public message, he never intended to help him at all. his actions and now his words show why he needs to be in prison. they represent the neely family. >> based on all the evidence we have seen, mr. penny had no business putting his hands on mr. neely's neck.
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he may have thought he was acting unruly. he may have been afraid even for himself or others, but that does not give him a legal entitlement to act as judge, jury, and executioner. >> does the fact that he had him from behind -- it's hard to argue someone is a threat to other people when you're lying on your back with them on top of you. he can't get up, can't move, and there are literally people including two women standing over him, another man holding him down. the one person who is in danger obviously was jordan neely. >> that's exactly right. and again, it's too often in these cases when there's a white person accused of violence against a black person, then the black person is often the one who gets blamed, even though he's the victim. in this case, people are using it as an excuse to be sympathetic to mr. penny. they want to have a conversation, an important conversation to be sure, about mental illness, about homelessness, about addiction. but joy, mr. neely did not die
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of mental illness or addiction. he died according to the medical examiner because mr. penny suffocated him to death. >> he couldn't have known his legal history, and he couldn't have known his mental health history. last question, could any of the other people standing in the train also be accused of a crime for watching him die. >> yes, just as three other officers were implicated in george floyd's death, other people who helped mr. penny, held mr. neely down, there should be an investigation, and if charges are appropriate, charges should be brought. >> we'll keep watching this. paul butler, thank you very much. still ahead, florida officials reject dozens of new textbooks and force changes in others. in desantis's right wing war on learning stuff. we'll be right back. k. oon or over 65 and planning to retire... now's the time to learn more about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare and get help protecting yourself from the out-of-pocket costs medicare doesn't pay.
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sleeping beauty, which includes a teeny tiny illustration of the queen bathing from a distance. as well as house and homes, by ann morris, which includes a photo of a rural african child's buttocks. to be clear, a photo of a buttocks is not by definition pornography. books proving existence of racist white people are also flying off the shelves, yut not in a good way. the latest is the little rock nine about school integration in 1957. that was the year nine black students walked through an angry white mob in order to attend little rock central high school upon its desegregation. the county school district in florida has removed the book from its elementary school shelves, a group called the florida freedom to read project uncovered documents showing that one parent objected to the graphic novel because it revealed the types of slurs white people used to describe black people. the school sided with the parent and removed the book. in a letter, while they maintain
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that the book was indeed historically accurate, they claim that the subject of the segregation and desegregation is difficult for elementary students to comprehend. this book's representation of feelings and emotions during that time period are above the understanding for most of our students. we reached out to the county schools and received a statement from the assistant superintendent who said, concerns regarding curriculum from parents and community members are appropriately reviewed, the outcome of the review for the book in question was a recommendation to remove the book from elementary school to a grade level deemed more appropriate. this does not constitute a ban as students will still have the opportunity to read the book during their k-12 experience. joining me is jud legm, in that letter which was also grammatically a horror show,
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they said since some ninth through 12th graders are at a third grade reading level, those students would enjoy reading a book for fourth graders. tell me about the books you found that were also banned. >> this is what happens a lot with governor desantis. you played those clips from the march press conference where he says, 87% of these books are either pornographic or violent or inappropriate. as it turns out, there were only 22% that were actually labeled pornographic. i went ahead and looked at those because we finally have the survey this was based on, and a lot of them were just like the ones you mentioned in your introduction. just a picture, a drawing of, you know, a naked butt, for instance, would be considered porn agraphic, which isn't pornography. it's laid out in florida statute that it has to appeal primarily
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to puriad interests and has no scientific literally value. if you have a book about different homes around the world and it happens to show a kid from behind who is naked because this was a book where they traveled around the world and took pictures of actual homes, that's not pornography, but ron desantis in march without disclosing the actual books he's talking about, is up there saying, oh, look at all this graphic material that people are trying to foist on our young children. so there's a big difference between kind of how he presents this and what books are really being excluded. >> let me go through for the audience, so you understand, and jud found a lot of these and a whole list of them, and here's from your reporting. beloved by toni morrison, one of the most important books i ever read growing up. it turned me on to the idea of language. the kite runner, forever by judy
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blume, 19 minutes, dreaming in cuban, the perks of being a wallflower. these are books that are like foundational to young readers, and they're saying these books are porn. and are they in any way attempting to justify that or is that based on one parent who doesn't like the fact that let's say their white child is reading toni morrison and they think that will make them hate themselves. is it one parent saying i don't like this book, and then it gets banned? >> it really varies by district how much you learn about what happens. what the florida department of education released and was a basis of my report, there was no explanation. it was just listed, they say pornography or listed the statute that's under florida law. the books you described, they do have some sexual content. there is some description of sexual activity in the book, but that's far different than
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pornography because these are -- i mean, beloved won the pulitzer prize. all of these books actually are award-winning books. so those books, even though they have sexual content, are not considered pornography or harmful to children. if you read, beloved is a book, you probably should be in high school to read it, to understand it, because it deals with some complex topics, but it is very regularly assigned in a.p. english class and other honors classes. as are those other books. so what we're doing is taking that we have that are written by american authors. we are categorizing them as pornography. there is not a lot of transparency as to how we got to that often a person or a group of people who are acting in a coordinated
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fashion to push an ideological narrative. >> i will note also that florida has rejected 35% of the social studies textbooks publishers hope to sell to public schools this year. but change passages, state leaders disliked. including references to why some citizens are choosing to take a need to protest police brutality and new calls for social justice for the death of george floyd. this seems to be purely about republican politics and they want the books to reflect their politics, no? >> one of these books just had a passage that talked about black lives matter, the death of george floyd, the protests that resulted. it presented both sides of this and said, you know, some people were critical, some people blamed the protesters for violence. it had three or four paragraphs. florida ended up accepting that textbook but only after they completely removed the section about black lives matter.
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it's about really racing these parts of the history that make certain people, ron desantis, his ideological allies uncomfortable. that goes against what education is about, which is teaching people what happened and letting them draw their own conclusions about what they believe, how they feel so they can move on and be productive and engaged members of society. >> iran desantis and his electable eaves didn't have the right to do that. they will tell them what they think and they will tell them what they are allowed to read and what they are allowed to know. he thinks that is going to make him president of the united states. good luck with that. thank you very much. back after this. his. on top of the worlddddd!!! before advil. advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. when pain comes for you, come back fast with advil liqui-gels. this is our latest hearing aid packed with 20th century technology. why beige? to blend in. you know, so it's almost invisible.
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i'm sure you heard a lot about title 42. and decades old public health statute used during the covid-19 pandemic to keep asylum seekers out of the u.s.. how it's coming to an end. the determination of the program came about after republicans demanded president biden and the covid health emergency. biden obliged and tonight the policy will end. for the past three years, the u.s. government has expelled roughly 2.8 million migrants who have come to the border seeking asylum. title 42 also drove border crossings to record levels because the program actually made it easier for people to cross the border multiple times because they were expelled without being charged for illegal crossing.
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title 42 is the lasting gift of creepy noted xenophobic even miller, who was donald trump's top aide. when the biden administration -- has seen a surge of migrants at the border, they've deployed new measures to stem the flow, including requiring migrants to leor asylum in their home country. fast-tracking and expedited removal process and subjecting families to gps monitoring and curfews while their cases are being adjudicated. these policies are not going over well with migration advocates. congressional republicans, meanwhile, have laid the surge squarely at the feet of president biden, ignoring their years of inaction. arizona independent senator kyrsten sinema has joined north carolina republican thom tillis in proposing legislation that would codify title 42, because of course she is. while they are pushing the stopgap measure, the majority of congressional politicians have failed to put forth any serious proposal to address
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america's broken migration system. part of the reason? at least four republicans, it would strip them of one of their key 2024 talking points, which also includes targeting trans kids, drag queens, voting access, and abortion access. here is something you probably have not heard a lot about. that is the fact that title 42 isn't the only thing that's coming to an end tonight. since the overall covid health emergency is now over, the federal government will begin phasing out some state and federal aid. what does that mean for you? well, you will have to start paying for your covid tests once the current federal stash is gone. you are also going to be on the hook for your booster shots, unless the federal pool runs out. and you also will have more out of pocket insurance payments. here's another thing i bet you didn't know, millions of people on medicaid are getting the boot. congress ended a provision starting in april that let medicaid programs keep people continuously in rolled through the end of the health
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