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sandwich. this is the first and only time our cameras have caught him since attorney general merrick garland appointed smith. and on that subject, we asked him where the investigation stands. >> is the indictment sir? is an investigation happening, sir? >> excuse us. >> anything you'd like to say, mr. smith? >> he didn't say anything. didn't even look in our direction, but there are reasons to believe a charging decision is in fact coming soon. donald trump's lawyers were at doj headquarters yesterday meeting with him and other doj officials. jack smith and other doj officials and sources familiar with the investigation told nbc news the grand jury in washington, d.c. is set to meet

again this week after a lull. we've also just learned from sources familiar another grand jury will hear from a witness in florida. so what's the deal with that? what are two grand juries doing for the special counsel's investigation and who else could jack smith be looking at? joining me now is nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian. nbc news correspondent, garrett haake and in florida, nbc legal analyst, lisa ruben. ken, what does florida have to do with the special counsel's investigation? >> all we know is that we expect at least one witness to testify before a grand jury in the southern district of florida in connection with this case. we don't even know that this grand jury is specifically devoted to this investigation. it may well just be a local grand jury and the range of possibilities is extreme. everything from they're about to bring this case in the southern district of florida including charges against trump down there in florida to this is just a

matter of one witness who couldn't make it up to washington to testify so it's matter of convenience and logistics. in between, there are a couple of possibilities. one is that there are other people who may have criminal culpability who can only be charged in florida because their conduct was contained to florida. and one of those such people appears to be walt nada, trump's butler and body man and who moved a bunch of documents around and we understand told a couple of different stories about that to investigators. that would have to be in florida because interview was in florida. the other possibility is that they end up charging this case against trump in a bifurcated way. some charges in washington. some in florida. we just have to wait and see. but it adds a new wrinkle in an atmosphere where it looks like this thing is wrapping up. that meeting between trump's lawyers and officials is exhibit a that we're getting to the end. >> does this new wrinkle delay anything? change the timeline?

>> the signals we're getting is no but there's as much it's hard to divine about the secret grand jury process. nothing would surprise me at this point. >> lisa, you are in florida. do we have any indication of who this witness might be or what it might be regarding? ken talked a lot about the circumstances, the at fearics. >> we know from "the new york times" reporting that the witness is supposed to be a new witness, someone who hasn't testified before the grand jury. walt could meet that description. it's our understanding that he has met multiple times with investigators but to the best of my knowledge, he has not been before a grand jury. in fact, when the department of justice informed his lawyers he had given a variety of different stories and wasn't quite career clear on his account. that's when they stopped cooperating. it could also be as ken noted

that there's a witness who for illness or other reasons can't make it up to d.c. and that could be someone we've never heard from. we didn't know the name carlos de oliveira. the head of maintenance at mar-a-lago. he was involved with walt and moving boxes in and out of the storage room at mar-a-lago. and was seen on surveillance tape doing that. prosecutors have also informed his counsel that they know that there are phone records showing that mr. de oliveira called an i.t. worker at mar-a-lago to ask questions about how the surveillance tapes were kept, how long they were kept, what they would show, from what angles were they taken. both of those people are certainly within the department of justice's interest right now and either one of them are among those people likely to testify here today. >> let me ask you about the meeting yesterday at doj headquarters. we have video of donald trump's lawyers leaving that meeting.

after that meeting wrapped, the seconds, minutes after as garrett pointed out yesterday, donald trump himself went out on his social media platform and said how could doj charge me. we know that they were meeting with jack smith. i wonder would they potentially be told by jack smith that charges are coming. could jack smith even say that before a grand jury votes. again, don't even know if the grand jury has voted or if they might be voting this week. >> that's right. that's not a conversation that necessarily takes place on the surface. you'll remember trump's lawyers are the ones who asked for this meeting with the department of justice. they didn't get merrick garland, his deputy. they did however get jack smith. you asked for that meeting when you yourself have an understanding that the investigation is nearing completion and that charges are imminent. so i know that jack smith necessarily even needed to tell them that.

what's more likely is that trump's lawyers made a case for why charges shouldn't be brought now or according to some reporting, complained about perceived prosecutorial conduct, got nowhere, left the meeting, called the client and said i don't think we've gotten anywhere and that's when he had his tantrum on truth social. trump's truths are his tells and there's no better indication than trump himself screaming in all caps that he knows something is coming down the pike and that it can't be good for him. >> we'll see if it holds true this time. garrett, the lawyers were at doj yesterday. have you heard anything from inside trump's team about where their heads are at? >> look, lisa's point about donald trump's unfiltered thoughts going straight to his social media flat form is a good one. it was true when he was president and still true now. his reaction yesterday after this meeting was telling, projecting out the idea he would

be charged. we saw similar behavior around the indictment in new york, but i think what we're seeing from trump and his allies is an opportunity, they believe, to use the same playbook they used around the new york indictment to make this not about donald trump's behavior but the way they will project it as what they will call election interference. the idea it's a special counsel is a small aside here. that they will cast it as the biden doj going after donald trump to make him a political enemy, basically. and make this all about a political prosecution and they will point out as you saw in that post from truth social that you had, basically mike pence cleared from his special counsel investigation regarding documents. if donald trump gets charged, what about joe biden. there's a lot of chaff they can put in the air if and when donald trump is charged and they're projecting that clearly now. >> and how is that going to play

on the campaign trial? there are more candidates getting into the race today. more who might use this stuff against trump to break free and to vote for somebody else. >> i'm obsessed with this question because you could have argued the e. jean carroll lawsuit or others were opportunities for trump's political opponents within the republican party to make a break with him or cast him as unfit, someone as suitable character to be president. but trump has inoculated himself against this to this degree with his constant talk of a witch hunt. if he does hear what he did in new york and basically challenges the republican party to say you're either with me or you're with a liberal prosecutor, the biden doj, where do republicans fall, even his opponents? do they continue to embrace donald trump if the other side is to be with the sort of hated biden doj or do they with folks like ron desantis now officially in the race. mike pence expected to be officially in the race by the

time we hear anything about charges. do they use the fact they are now for real candidates, not just playing footsy with running for president, to try to go after donald trump on this. i simply don't know. past history suggests they'll probably give him the past. >> or does chris christie become the blunt object that does the dirty work. we're going to explore that in a few minutes. that's a tease. thank you. that is the reporting. coming up in 60 seconds, we're going to get the legal view. what does barbara mcquaid's experience at the doj tell us about what happens next? plus, he says he's learned his lesson from 2016. just teased it a moment ago. and now knows how to beat donald trump. chris christie jumps into the 2024 race. what is the goal of his candidacy? and breaking news out of ukraine. the u.s. says it will declassify intelligence that says who is

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joining me now, barbara mcquaid and this being the special counsel investigation into donald trump and where he stands. what's your reading? >> i think like others, the meeting yesterday between donald trump's lawyers and department of justice really says to me this investigation is nearing its end. oftentimes at the very end, if defense counsel asks for a meeting with the doj, they will typically take it in a sensitive case like this. they want to hear if there's something new they don't know in the best interest of justice in making the charging decision. perhaps there's some effort to resolve the case though it's hard to imagine donald trump offering to plead guilty and that the justice department would take anything short of a felony conviction. it's hard to imagine there's

much room for negotiation there. but nonetheless, it's an important step to take as you move on to the next step, which seems likely to be indictment. later this week, they'll continue to hear from new witnesses but at some point, all these signs we're seeing does seem to point to an indictment coming soon. >> have you ever been in a situation where you've used multiple grand juries for the same investigation? >> i haven't. that's what seems strange here. it seems they're either planning to file this whole thing in florida or that this is some little off chute and that's a possibility. it could be that there is a witness who is testifying for their witness convenience and they'll transcribe that testimony and use it in the d.c. case. or it's also possible that they're charging an individual kind of one off witness. somebody who perhaps has lied to them and that case is being handled independently with the idea even that that person could ultimately cooperate.

so it strikes me as rather unusual. it also seems to me that strategically it would be better for the justice department to file this case in washington, d.c. they're likely to get a better jury. likely to have a jury that is more familiar with and sensitive to the idea of handling classified documents and so this dynamic of two grand juries at work is really a little puzzling. >> doesn't that open them up, when you say a better jury, isn't that what donald trump is going to argue? as in a politically motivated jury, one that doesn't like him? is there not a political argument to make for jack smith filing this in florida to at least take the idea that d.c. is not for donald trump off the table? >> i don't think so. i think you have to think about what prosecutors think about is what's the legal, legally sound decision and the legally strategic decision. i don't think they worry too much about politics. now if they were looking to file this in some place where they

had no business to file it, los angeles, new york city, some place where there was no venue at all, i think he'd have an argument that they're trying to find a place to treat him unfairly, but charging him in washington, d.c. is not unfair. these documents belonged in the white house, the national archives. those things are in the proper place. the fact he took them home with him doesn't mean he get to choose the venue of his home. he's going to make all kinds of arguments. when i was in the justice department and anticipated there might be a political outcry, i asked myself i need to tune out the noise and do what i think is the right thing even if there might be political blowback. >> it's been amplified over the past few years especially with this particular person. i want to ask you about the logistics of what will happen next if donald trump is indicted. how quickly would the indictment come and then donald trump appear before a judge? >> i think fairly quickly.

ordinarily within a matter of days. typically what would happen is in a case like this where it's a nonviolent o offender where you're not worried about him harming the public, the doj lawyers would alert the trump lawyers that an indictment had been returned and ask to schedule an arraignment at his earliest convenience within the next few days. there may need to be travel time as there was in the new york case if in this case, he's charged in washington, d.c. or in florida, i would imagine they'd allow him a few days to make that appearance. i imagine they would also allow him to surrender on his own. no need to go out and arrest him. i know sometimes that strikes people as being unfair, but ordinarily, the justice department doesn't like to arrest people if it doesn't have to. it requires a lot of resources and there's a lot of fear something could go wrong and someone could get hurt. if someone is not a danger to the community, they're typically

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i'll be honest with you. we all made a strategic error. we did. look, i'm happy to own my mistakes. i've made plenty and that was one of them. we thought don't go after him now because once i get past jeb and marco and john and carly and ted, you know, then i'll take him on. i don't know if ever got there. it's over, it's over quick. that was a strategic error. secondly, i stayed with him in 2016 because i didn't want hillary clinton to be president and i don't make any apologies for that. >> chris christie says he's

learned his lesson from 1 2016 that the only way to beat trump is to go at him right away and that's what we expect him to do tonight in new hampshire when he fshlly embarks on a do over. and at the big board, steve kornacki. steve, hold tight, i want to start with doug. chris christie. he was in the race in 2016. he was not a winner in 2016. wasn't even close. he says he's learned his lesson. what purpose does a chris christie candidacy serve? >> i think some of what it served last time. he knows how to pop balloons and we saw that in the debate. that was it. the campaign for rubio was over. he has a jersey attitude.

>> anyone from new jersey would take that as an insult. >> of course not. badge of honor. frank sinatra was born there, too. he knows how to pop balloons. we don't know if that works with donald trump but if you don't try, there's no chance. a lot of the other candidates at least thus far have tried to go around donald trump. they want to talk about him a little bit but not by name. christie's going on full faith and credit into this and with full blunt force trauma is what he's trying to do. >> the trump team reaction was to kind of welcome him into the race and instead of say he's a joke instead of what they would normally say, they said he's going to ruin ron desantis and take him out. why would the trump team not be afraid of chris christie? >> he has a real campaign team, trump does this time, even going into the getting the nomination. so he is a smart, sophisticated team. they're communicating in

strategic ways regardless of what we see tweeted in all caps, that operates as a campaign should. so what they're saying is let's focus this over there and not where christie wants it focused on. candidates want to talk about what they want to talk about and have their opponents talk about what they want to talk about. >> steve, do you think there's a lane in the republican party or even with independent voters if he can get them and get to a vote that includes them where chris christie resonates? >> potentially so. we know how talented christie is. the question is when he has that moment, can he ride that wave on a lane and talk out other republicans along the way as he hopefully, in his mind, does battle with trump. >> steve, show me what the polling says about chris christie. to start with a monmouth poll from a week ago that asks republicans who do you want to be your nominee.

in 2024, it was open ended. chris christie didn't even register here. didn't even hit 1%. you're seeing the comparison to back in december. the big change was trump has moved up. desantis has come down since december. even more dire for christie is that from the same poll. among republicans, the favorable unfavorable score here, his own political party, christie with a 21% favorable. 47% unfavorable score. the only other unfavorable score that's even in that ballpark is mike pence who is about to enter the race as well. he has at least a 46% favorable rating. look, christie was going nowhere in a hurry in 2016. he still managed to impact the race with rubio. one of the they thinks, he's telegraphing this to go after trump in a way others haven't

before. is there a scenario where christie didn't move up in the polls but trains his fire on trump and manages to help bring trump down or is this going to be a christie campaign where yeah, he's going after trump, but also after desantis and tim scott. he's going all of them and in that case, you're talking about the trump campaign welcoming him into the race. they'd probably like to see that. is christie just going to focus on going after trump or is he going to try to mow down all these candidates here. ij that's what the trump folks are hoping for. >> good question. is there a scenario, i don't remember the make up of each of these primaries, the early ones at least, are there enough primaries before super tuesday where chris christie can pull in some independents? enough open primaries? >> it looks like he's looking to make a stand here is new hampshire. in new hampshire, you have plenty of independents who can vote in the primary and you think back to that moment you were talking about with doug in 2016 where christie took down

rubio. remember the context of that moment. i think it was important. new hampshire came after iowa of course. trump lost iowa in 2016. iowa, a caucus state heavily infused with evangelical christian voters. ted cruise beat trump in august. rubio, who had finished a close third in iowa in 2016 was actually surging in new hampshire. that's what made that moment so significant when christie targeted rubio repeatedly in that debate and just deflated him. what did it do? he didn't lose two in a row. in that entire 2016 campaign, trump never lost two big contests in a row. he suffered a few significant defeats but always was able to post a win the next time. that's why a lot of republicans who don't like trump look back

at christie in 2016 and they still remember that they view that as an assist that christie gave to trump. >> i remember christie standing behind donald trump at mar-a-lago looking like he was a hostage when he endorsed donald trump after he got out of the race. is he going to do that again? is he going to go after the other candidates or just trump? >> donald trump will be the large focus. sometimes you have to punch the person that's in front of you. republican voters as we've seen, they want a fighter. that's chris christie. he has a lot of ground to make up but he's a fighter in the mold that the gop does like. >> thank you guys very much. coming up, how the freedom caucus is trying to get back at mccarthy without ousting him from his job. plus, what george santos tried to do to protect the people who paid his half a million dollar bond. s half a milln iodollar bond. hey bud. wow. what's all this? hawaii was too expensive so i brought it here. you know with priceline you could actually take that trip

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>> yeah, there are other ways they can make the speaker's life difficult and it seems like this might be one of those ways. initially, we headed into this first vote on the rule which would set up the rest of the week's ability on protections for gas stoves. that was the focus for the house republican majority this week and when they went to do this vote, they immediately started bleeding support from the republican side. several of these house freedom caucus members, 11 of them in total, saying they were doing this because of some arm twisting that was done by leadership during the debt ceiling deal specifically related to one andrew clyde. he was told he was going to initially get a vote on a bill of his this week but now that he wasn't because he voted against the rule on the debt deal. so this might be retaliation from leadership. frankly, this is the kind of thing we see from leadership but not the kind of they think we see happen on the fly where leadership is surprised by other parts of their conference and

able to tank a rule vote like this. our friend john says this hasn't happened since 2002, i believe, so it's been a while and it's embarrassing for leadership as they try to re-group and figure out the path forward. >> let me ask you what's happening on capitol hill. chairman comber of the oversight committee is holding a vote to hold the fbi director in contempt of congress. what's he angry about? >> he's calling for this vote, i believe for thursday or looking likely for thursday. there's a document he has been able to see and be briefed on by the fbi. that happened yesterday for both comer and the democrat ranking member raskin but he wasn't able to take that document with him. he want to take it and leave the room with it and continue reviewing it. he's not able to do that. now, the fbi says they have been in cooperation with him. that they're giving him the information he wants albeit not in the fashion he wants it.

for comer, he says this is grounds for contempt and it's why he's moving forward on this. we've seen these kinds of contempt votes before so we know from back during the january 6 days, it gets voted out of the committee and that's what we expect to see at the end of the week and we asked mccarthy how quickly he would move it to the full house floor and he said as soon as we can get it committee. this week or next. that's as soon as we could see a vote on a contempt referral. >> and the referral goes to doj and they decide what they would do with it. one other thing. george santos, the congressman from long island. he's currently out on bond. there were some people who posted that bond for him. $500,000. >> yeah. >> and he is asking a new york court to keep those names under seal to protect them. what is the new york court saying about that? >> they're saying not try, not

so much, at least unless santos appeals that decision. he didn't say anything about that when we caught up to him. the only question he responded to was why they should remain secret and he said because they should be. not offering much of explanation, but he's been clear he wants these names to be kept anonymous and it looks like, unless he files an appeal, the judge will release these three names. >> it's interesting because when he was asked about this in the hectic news conference the other day outside the courtroom, he got really angry at a reporter and decided to leave that congress, storming off. we'll see who those names are. if the appeal is not won. thank you very much. up next, president zelenskyy is calling it an act of terrorism. now the u.s. is about to declassify intelligence showing who set off a series of explosions that destroyed a major dam in ukraine. plus, squashing the beef with the pga tour and why 9/11

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early as today. it released a literal flood of water, forcing evacuations and threatening hundreds of thousands of people. it also endangers the zaporizhzhia power plant. sky news correspondent alex crawford has more from kherson. >> you can see the rescue services are trying to go bit by bit down areas that once were covered roads in the center of the city to try to find out. there are already hundreds, maybe thousands of people who have already been evacuated to odesa and mykolaiv. there are red cross vans as you can see and a lot of other volunteers circling the flooded areas. we are talking as you said, about 18 cubit kilometers of water, which has been unleashed and the flood waters have been

washing down slowly but surely swallowing up about 100 villages and towns including kherson city, the capital of kherson region, which is on the ukrainian controlled side of the territory. the river cuts through over which the dam traverses ukraini southwest bank and the russians have occupied the southeast bank. now, we understand there has been a torrent of comments on social media and twitter and any other post that you can imagine including ukrainian, even as we're standing here, the waters are rising and getting deeper. blaming russia for this. president zelenskyy has been not only very active on his own twitter handle, but also addressing his east european

partners calling on them once again and calling on the world to back ukraine, to back their entry to join nato and for firmly saying that russia is responsible for this. calling it a terrorist act, saying it's equivalent to deploying a weapon of mass destruction and saying quite categorically that there is no doubt in his mind and in the minds of the ukrainians that the russians were responsible for laying mines and the explosion went off inside the dam structure because that contravenes key articles of the geneva convention and international law and would constitute a war crime, destroying a structure, which supplies water to millions of people. drinking water on both sides of ukraine controlled territory and russia controlled territory. president zelenskyy warned in

october and urged the west to take action to try to protect the dam because he warned then that he feared it would be used to as a weapon against civilians. >> that's alex crawford. joining me now from nbc news pentagon from washington, courtney. thank you very much. let's talk about this declassifying of intelligence. what do we know about that? >> yeah, so at this point, it's still the u.s. is still not ready to say with confidence that they believe one side or the other did it but u.s. officials are saying they're leaning towards the possibility, the reality that russia may have been involved in this attack on the dam and a lot of questions are well, why? why would russia do this? because the reality is this action will hurt both sides of this conflict. on the ukrainian side, of course, there's the humanitarian disaster we just saw some pictures of, these rising waters. tens of thousands of people.

animals. homes, all these things that are in the path of that rushing water. but in addition to that, there's this real concern about the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, that the reservoir at that dam was the, provided the water to cool the nuclear reactors at that plant. now, as of now, we're told that it's offline. it's not a concern and there are several weeks before it would be a concern but without that water to cool those nuclear reactors, this is a very real danger to that area and beyond. but beyond that, it's also a problem for fresh water. for ukrainians. now why could this be a problem for the russians? well, a lot of the water that would be supplied there goes into crimea, russian occupied territory. so then the question is what could this potentially do for the war? a western official says this cutting off this dam or attacking this dam will could potentially cut the ability to cross the river there.

that would have a real implication on the coming offensive and counteroffensive we've all been talking about for weeks and months here. >> thank you very much. and quote is the moral of the story always just take the money? an unnamed pga tour golfer told espn they do not approve of the merger between the pga tour and saudi backed liv golf. the deal was announced this morning ending the rival between the rival tours. joining me now is 13-time emmy award winning broadcaster for nbc sports and golf channel, jimmy roberts. good to see you again, especially on this subject. this was a big surprise. were there any rumblings beforehand of conversations being had about this? >> not a one. huge surprise i think for everybody who follows the sport. >> so tell me. what do we know about what got us to this point?

why are they squashing the beef between these two tours? >> well, first of all, i think, i think it's good for the game. i think that they needed to kind of try and find some way to find some common ground because it was hurting the game and i think that that probably was one of the things that impacted that. the other thing, it's really, really important to understand this. it's being, the word merger is being thrown around but in reality, what this is is it's the creation of a separate enterprise where the partners with the dp european tour, the pga tour and liv golf. a for profit enterprise and the. the detail of what that for-profit enterprise will do hasn't been decided yet. we don't know much more about this than we do know, but we do know that it is not a conventional merger. it's kind of a coming together

to create something new. >> we're day by day on this. let me ask you about what's going to happen with these big-name golfer who is left the tour, phil mickelson, justin johnson for $150 million, some others. are they now welcomed back into the fold? what about the other players who didn't leave and get those giant payouts? i imagine it would cause some tension. >> oh, yeah. i think those are great question questions. you could be a sports reporter. i think that there's a meeting right now actually ten minutes from now, pga tour players are meeting with commissioner jay monahan, and i think a lot of those questions will be asked. i think a lot of people are going to decry the fact they passed up money to express their allegiance to the pga tour and that, you know, what they got in return was an eventual understanding between the parties. i don't know if there's going to be a real rapprochement between

some people who have gone to liv and their former comcompatriots but i think it will be on an individual basis. there are certain people who, i don't know the phrase, napalmed some bridges, but i think, you know, again, there's so many things we don't know and they outnumber the things that we do know. what we do know is at least for the time being there's peace and an agreement to move forward and create something new. >> some 9/11 families weren't happy about it, the idea that the saudi government will be behind golf across the world now. speaking of sports reporters, what i wanted to be early in my career was a courtside reporter for the lakers. but only if they were winning. jimmy roberts. >> this would have been a tough year for that. >> i know. especially tough. thanks for being with us. we appreciate your time. up next, why california governor gavin newsom threatened ron desantis with kidnapping charges. ♪ the thought of getting screened ♪

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the state of florida needs to be held accountable for these actions. these actions are cruel, they're inhumane, they're morally bankrupt, they're wrong. this is a political act, a cheap political act used to try to get cheap political points on the backs of human beings, on the backs of people who are vulnerable, who are traumatized. >> california's attorney general says he's investigating florida governor ron desantis, speaking to msnbc's jose diaz vil let me start there. he wants to know if florida coordinated a flight that brought migrants to sacramento. the probe could result in criminal or civil actions against the state. this is the second plane carrying migrants to arrive in sacramento without warning. the first was on friday. migrants on that flight, that earlier flight, carried documents indicating that florida arranged their

transportation. joining me now is nbc news homeland security correspondent julia ainsley. explain this for us. >> reporter: they say they are looking into the possibility of even kidnapping charges because they say those migrants who arrived earlier spoke to them and say they were misled. they were told by two women who approached them in texas they may have the promises of jobs if they got on this plane to california. in california, they tracked that plane and found out it went first from florida to texas where it picked up those migrants, then to new mexico and finally to sacramento. they're saying that they basically misled these people to go to this place so, yes, they're looking at kidnapping charges. it's similar to the same tactic that desantis used to get migrants from texas to martha's vineyard last summer, not migrants that had anything to do with the state of florida, but he used florida resources to transport migrants across the border and that state to other places, namely more blue areas of the country.

>> governor newsome of california tweeted to ron desantis, he calls him, "you small, pathetic man. this isn't martha's vineyard. kidnapping charges." he's talking about kidnapping as well. there's a texas county sheriff filing a criminal case regarding another flight. i believe it's the one to martha's vineyard to texas. can you help me understand that? >> reporter: yes. that was last summer. we still don't know who the county would charge in that case. it stems back to the similar practice desantis has used. we haven't heard from him or the state of florida responding to allegations from california or from that lawsuit brought about the martha's vineyard migrants, but it's the stret ji from desantis to take a page first started by texas governor abbott to transport migrants across the border into cities and states across the country, like d.c.,

chicago, to prove point, immigration shouldn't be a burden of republican states along the border. but instead what it does, it escalates this tension at a time when border crossings are actually going down. they're below 70%, a 70% decrease y from what they were in early may. so it's a time we're heading into the political season, there are governors who want to keep this at the forefront of the political debate even when the problem at the border and issues have completely changed. >> one governor in particular who is running for president, politics, certainly. julia ainsley, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> florida governor flying migrants from texas to other places. that does it for me. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, there, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. a new witness, a hunt for new lawyers and a very suspicious pool flood.