>> so, how did they wrap it up? >> they started coming up from below stage. they finished with, and this is classic biden -- stephen colbert put on his aviators. joe biden put on his aviators and sure enough, brock obama, bill clinton put on their aviator glasses, as well. >> by the way, it is the biggest room in the world, is 6000 people, there is nothing like being in that hall. it is always bigger than you remembered it is. >> it is the stage -- i don't think we're going to see another one like this and i think this is something i actually read into julian chavez rodriguez, the biden campaign manager, on the way out. i said how do you top this? >> she said it is all about momentum and this is part of an effort to build momentum into this election fight. >> thank you, mike. that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now.

tonight, donald trump's new bid to get his georgia rico case tossed, claiming his 2020 election lies were protected by the first amendment as liz cheney warns that a second trump turn would truck torch the constitution. former democratic presidents formed the united from to keep joe biden in the white house. plus, read hoffman on the choice we face in november, and how ai could affect the election as the 11th hour gets underway on this thursday night. >> good evening, everyone. i am in for stephanie ruhle. we are now 222 days away from the presidential election and today, one of donald trump's attorneys argued that the federal interference case should be tossed because of the first amendment and now trumps team says all the actions and those charges amount to

protected political speech. this is a move that already failed in the federal election interference case and also part of the trump strategy to file as many motions as possible to delay the actual trials. trumps busy legal schedule is actually starting to help him. trumps team informed judge cannon that the case had to be rescheduled because it conflicts with the hush money trial in new york. meanwhile, trumps allies have legal issues of their own. x doj official jeffrey clark pleaded the fifth and the disciplinary disbarment hearing . clark was the man trump wanted to take over the justice department in the run up to the january 6th insurrection because clark wanted to launch an investigation based on a conspiracy theory about the 2020 election being stolen.

he is also a defendant in the georgia rico case. of course trump is now running again for the highest office in the land. liz cheney, one of the only republicans to consistently stand up to trump spoke very clearly about what she thinks will happen in november if trump succeeds. >> he will appoint people who will do his bidding. he will appoint people and if they are nervous about doing his bidding, he will offer them pardons, and he won't leave office. just think about it. we know he tried once not to leave office, and he will have no incentive to guarantee a peaceful transfer of power and to leave office if he is elected again. i certainly have policy disagreements with the biden administration. i know the nation can survive bad policy. we can't survive a president who is willing to torch the constitution. >> and, there are very real consequences for what cheney is talking about. you will remember, of course, colorado was one of the states where people filed a lawsuit to keep trump off the ballot on

the grounds he helped incite the insurrection. that effort was ultimately rejected by the supreme court earlier this month. colorado secretary supported that effort and ever since the lawsuit seven months ago, the number of serious threats against her has an creed -- increase more than 600%. griswold'send quote, this big lie from 2020 has morphed into a big threat and with that, let's bring in our leadoff panel for the evening. political investigations reporter for the guardian, special investigation correspondent for vanity fair and former u.s. attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. joyce, let me begin with you, and what we are waiting for in georgia, the judge to rule on trumps first amendment claim. does anything stick out to you in today's hearing, especially about how the judge might handle things going forward?

>> well, the law is pretty clear in this regard. the law says that the first amendment does not protect the guy who walks into the bank and says to come up. people use words to commit crimes, and so donald trump is charged not with the speech itself, but rather with the conduct that involves committing the crimes, and sometimes, he has spoken further as of those crimes. i think judge mcafee will dispense of this very quickly. judge check and dismissed a similar motion in washington, d.c. it just does not have any merit. >> molly, one of our two leading presidential candidates now has so many ongoing court cases that they are delaying each other and he's actually using that as an argument to delay each case. we still have seven months until election day. how confident, if at all, are you that our institutions like the courts and the election systems can actually handle the weeks and months ahead with the amount of stress testing donald trump is putting them under? >> right. this is the big question. have

our institutions held? have the guardrails held and the truth is he has all these criminal counts and yet, maybe only one trial is going to help happen before the election so that, in my mind, is not a great sign. trump is really managed to punt a lot of stuff by spending a lot of money on legal fees. about $100 million, maybe a little less, so i do think that has worked for him, this delay, delay, delay. i really believe truly that this whole candidate trump, while it might work in the midterm, i have trouble imagining that swing voters are going to love the candidate who is on trial for paying an adult film star, even if the case is a little bit unproven. i still think the optics of that are so questionable and i just think it's going to hurt him.

>> hugo, jeffrey clark is going through a disbarment hearing. john eastman, another key january 6 figure has also been recommended for disbarment, but is not like they are banned from having a big role in trump world and it seems that these guys are not going away so long as these -- donald trump stays in the picture. to some extent, these were architects of the political side of what he was trying to do on january 6. >> yes, i think that is right. someone like john eastman can be disbarred and if trump were to win the election, he is the kind of candidate that i think trump, if president, would install in the white house as a senior adviser to give him the sort of advice he wants to hear because that is always been the mainstay of trump world. the people who survive are the people who tell trump what he wants to hear.

jeff clark i think is more interesting. he has long been someone trump has identified as a person he would want to install in a high position in the justice department if he were re- elected. if you were disbarred, that would obviously preclude that route. if he escapes disbarment, though, someone like jeff clark is a good candidate to be the head of one of doj's main components like the credit -- criminal division. jeff clark has previously told me that's not what he is aiming for, but who knows. these are the kind of people trump surrounds himself with and i don't think disbarment necessarily is going to be an obstacle in trump world to put them in a high place. >> molly, has trump possibly and his acolytes think about who they would put in for a second term, republicans continued to push out the likes of liz cheney. they have basically turned against republicans like her and others. she is out here trying to sound the alarm. is she doing enough to prevent the outcome that she is warning about other than simply talking about it at events and conferences? >> well, she has a limited

number of options because she lost her congressional seat. i have to say, i am listening to that and thinking oh my god. i agree with liz cheney. that is probably the first and last time i have ever said that but she is being very -- think about all the republicans who were afraid to go against trump. think about mitch mcconnell, right? powerful, wealthy, has security, refused to go against trump. all of these people who were just like, it's not worth it. i'll just take -- i will just endure. it's not worth the threat, and here is liz cheney and she's really doing the brave thing and there are not very many republicans doing it, so good for her. i mean, i hope there will be more. my fantasy is that nikki haley will come out. i don't think that's likely but you are going to need a critical mass and then there are the generals who served in this admin who have a lot of criticisms, and i hope they will come out publicly and speak out.

>> it seems only a problem with more republicans coming out publicly whether it is mike pence, liz cheney, may be potentially nikki haley -- the more the republican version of trump world pushes them further out and then suddenly says they are traitors, they betrayed us so it's not like they can get a footing within the republican party and expand that footing. they shrink within the republican party and become less, as we have seen with others, leaving the republican party of congress. >> you, you're never going to get that maga base. they are just too baked in. the question is can you pick off enough people on the side so you win the electoral college. that is all that matters. then, the question is, we have to get those people back to democracy as we know it. >> right, and we'll see what happens with the republican party after 2024. an interesting thing liz cheney talked about was the supreme court and the justices. watch this. >> i think it is very important that the supreme court

recognize that what he is doing is a delaying tactic and that the american people -- it cannot be the case that a president of the united states can attempt to overturn an election and seize power, and that our justice system is incapable of holding a trial, of holding him to account before the next election. that cannot be the case. >> it seems like that is exactly what is going to happen, just purely from a calendar perspective, regardless of how decisions are made of any of his legal challenges that are working their way up right now. we are seeing trump working the justice system in real time. is this giving americans a good look at how some people with resources are infinite resources can take advantage of the courts with all of these various tactics of delaying and appealing and interjecting new ideas and philosophies that don't seem applicable?

>> trump seems to me to be in the category of one when it comes to his ability to manipulate the court system. i think there are fair criticisms to be launched about how the courts treat regular people as a -- opposed to someone has appointed counsel. this is not what this is about. this is about someone who has baked in deference when he has proven over and over again, he is no longer entitled to that difference. so, here is where we are. the supreme court will hear trump's case on april 25th. they will have two paths at that point in time. they can either continue to indulge him and delay improve what liz cheney is saying. like molly, i find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with her here but the reality is , the court can either indulge trump or they can be prepared to rule very quickly after the

hear argument in this case. it's not a tough case at this point in time. it is very clear that a former president cannot have absolute immunity to engage in any sort of criminal act including trying to interfere with an election. for the very simple reason that if that is the law, there's nothing that present -- prevents joe biden from doing it following the selection, so we know what the result of this court case has to be. the only question is whether the supreme court will understand the urgency and issue a ruling in a timely way that permits this case to get back on track ahead of the election, and of course, that window is closing. >> joyce, do you think it is safe to say, from an outsiders observation here, that the courts and the supreme court reviewed the fact that donald trump was the former president more so than he reveres the court systems?

as you said, to some extent they're giving him so much difference just because he occupied his former position and they are giving him the benefit of the doubt in so many layers of these processes that would not be afforded to an ordinary citizen? >> you know, i think the courts are thinking about how a future president be treated? it is much like what we saw during the mueller investigation. bob mueller was steeped in institutional norms. he thought, what does this look like when the next president is investigated and very much an effort to preserve our democratic institutions and rule of law system and of course, as you point out, donald trump has respect for none of that. donald trump is purely transactional. he is thinking at this point only about how can he save his own skin? so, he is willing to manipulate a system that is trying to reserve itself and that, i think, is why we see all of the tension and why there is so much frustration with the courts, but what we can't do is let trump completely destroy the system, and that means that the courts have to walk a knife edge here. >> hugo, this week we saw a

small victory for someone who suffered because of election lies. the maricopa county recorder filed a defamation suit against carrie lake and her lawyers say they will not dispute the charges, but in the long run, isn't the damage here already done? >> yes, look. people like carrie lake, when they ran for office and when she ran for office, she ran on a platform that the 2020 election was stolen, that her own election in the midterms was stolen and that is a message that is so deeply baked into the maga base now that i don't know if there is any way for real trump fans to come back from that. i think the real consequences of all the election did nihilism that has manifested is that a lot of the country simply just does not believe that elections can be free and fair, and that they can be free

or fraud. trump, every time he goes on the stump, every time he speaks at a rally, has been to drill that message home and carrie lake has been no different, even if the defamation suit succeeds, that is going to be a long time down the road in the damage, i think, has already been done. >> and so much damage, as well, to elected county clerks and other states, as well, where stepping down in the face of these unprecedented threats against election workers across the country. hugo, molly, thank you so much for starting us off this hour. joyce, please stick around. when we come back, president biden turns to some old friends for a historic fundraising hall tonight. we have some of our friends on tap to break it down for us and later, we take a closer look at the intersection of politics and ai during this consequential election year. the 11th hour, just getting underway on a busy thursday night. can disrupt your life for weeks and could make it hard to there for your loved ones.

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just down the street at radio city music hall not too far away from where i am, president barack obama and bill clinton joined joe biden for a record-breaking fundraiser that pulled in a staggering $25 million, the base hall ever for a political event according to the biden campaign. it expands the president's

already staggering $155 million campaign war chest and that is more than twice as much cash on hand as trump and the rnc currently have. white house correspondent mike memoli was at the fundraiser and joins me now. mike, it's great to see you in person. so, what stood out to you the most? this was quite a historic event in so many different areas. it was groundbreaking in its format for a political event. you were there. >> only 45 men have served as president of the united states and we got to see three of them in a conversation tonight. now, stephen colbert was there, too. he started off by saying this is historical. we have three presidents coming to new york and not one of them is going to court so that gives you a sense of the lighter moments but this event was about trying to help joe biden fix some real vulnerabilities he has in this election. the biggest one and probably the standout moment tonight was gossip. you just look out across the

street to see how many protesters there were outside and there were some inside and they tried to disrupt the event at multiple points and it was barack obama -- the obama biden relationship is so interesting. biden defendant obama a lot and that is what endeared him to obama. tonight, it was obama coming to biden's defenses they were continuing to disrupt this event. obama, at one point, scolded the protesters and he said you know, it's not enough. if you want to talk, you also have to listen. he said that it's one thing to have moral clarity and to think you have the solutions but it's another thing to recognize that these are not easy problems to solve. he said what only a president can say. this is not an easy job. it is a lonely seat, as he described it, and went on to lay out the challenges and the situation in gaza. things president biden has tried to do, the complexities of what is still ahead. he said that as a kind of president i want, somebody who is bringing his empathy, his wisdom to the situation in the crowd ate it up.

they really did erupt at that defense. >> do you get a sense there was at all this contrast, this general rational contrast between what obama represented and what biden has talked about? was there any sense from the biden campaign that having these two megastars of the democratic party flanking the current president could, in any way, backfire in just reminding people of stark contrast? >> i think the biden campaign recognizes that they need all the help they can get in there is no one better to help them than these two former presidents. you talk about the ways they can help the president with some of the real vulnerabilities and one of the biggest vulnerabilities in the biden has is his age. these are two former presidents that are younger than him, and by the way, former presidents who beat much older men when they first ran for president in 1996 and 2008 so it was interesting to see them all on stage together and they also made light of age, president biden himself talking about donald trump's ideas are old and they are out of shape, so a little bit of red meat for the audience tonight.

>> speaking of the poor fourth president, he was also in new york doing something else but not going to court today. >> for more, i want to bring in donna edwards and david jolly. donna, i will start with you and as we mentioned, this last point i was bringing up with mike, biden standing on stage with two younger former presidents, still bringing in an enormous amount of money. is this a sign, perhaps, that age is not as big of a weakness as democrats fear? >> well, i think what happened is we had a state of the union message earlier this month and i think that really helped to put aside the age question in a lot of respects, and i think that what you saw, but at least mike reported on stage this evening, are different elements of the democratic party coming together, supporting the two presidents, supporting president biden and offering a way to talk about and

communicate with the various parts of the democratic party. each of those parts, democrats are going to need in order to win an election in november. >> david, biden has been taking more pointed shots at donald trump lately, particularly how cash for his campaign as compared to joe biden's. talk to us about the importance of money at this point in the race and will these shots joe biden is taking, with the numbers we are seeing today, $25 million, have an impact on donald trump? >> yes. i think they will, and i think it is a broad indication of a

campaign that is starting to fire on all cylinders, both in raising money and organization, and targeting voters, but also in fine-tuning a message. they don't have to play offense against donald trump. donald trump kind of project his own image of criminality and culpability in front of the american people all by himself, so joe biden could just be focused on his domestic successes and leadership on the world stage, but they are also including these dings on donald trump and it is because despite whatever somebody might have, favorable or unfavorable position on either candidate, when they look at the contrast it is very good for joe biden in the biden camp knows that. so, where does the money really make a difference? it makes a difference in those seven states that will likely decide the electoral college and i would even say you don't have to bacon donald trump's cash on hand, the fact that it might not even be spent on campaigns. it might be spent on legal issues. the gap might be a lot larger than it actually looks like on paper now. joe biden's campaign is in a great spot to be six months out. >> donna, where should that money go in the seven states? how should the biden campaign put these money to use? where do you think it would be most effective? >> no, walls -- well, you

already see it happening consistently to try to move the needle and you can see it is starting to have some impact in these national polls where the gap is slowly closing. the biden campaign has also announced they are opening up 300 or so offices all around the country, so i think that is really important, to have a presence in the states, and to be working from now in this long campaign strike, from now until november, and to put that on the ground and get those surrogates out speaking on behalf of the president. i mean, i think today what you saw is the contrast that is going to go on for the duration of this campaign. there, you have the three presidents on stage talking, raising money, running their campaign. biden is going all around the

country, and then you have the contrast of donald trump either on a golf course, in a courtroom or someplace on truth social. that is not a way to run a winning campaign and i think the biden campaign is counting on being able to use all of that extra cash to continue to get its message out. >> donna, you don't think selling sneakers or bibles is an effective campaign in strategy? >> you know what? i'm not buying them. >> joking aside. david, let me ask you about the republicans for a moment, because they are not just facing a financial dilemma. trump has a lot of problems. they are also scrambling to organize early, mail-in voting. ironically, trump has repeatedly and baselessly disparage outing. can you turned around by the

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these days, there is plenty to be worried about, whether it is the 2024 election with the potential threat of artificial intelligence or maybe it is the impact ai could have on the 2024 election. stephanie sat down this week with someone who has thought a lot about all of these things, reid hoffman. he is the cofounder of linkedin but has been an aggressive investor in ai development, and has become a political mega dona. take a listen. >> i want to talk about the scariest, most devastating, most exciting, most inspiring things out there today, which is artificial intelligence and politics, so let's start with ai.

tons of consumers, everyday americans, are panicked about it and you couldn't be more excited. make the case for us. >> so, part of it is it will help you navigate your life better. like if you give it a problem you're navigating in your life -- it could be a problem of you know, like i'm trying to figure out this thing for example, i'm a new mother, i'm trying to figure out things. it can help. it can help you lead your life and that is the thing to take -- to not listen to all of the chatter of, what is this big ai thing i don't know it's a new technology thing, and go play with it yourself and i think it can help you make decisions better.

i think it can help you live better. i think it can help you work better but go get some experience with it. >> then how about chapter 2. how worried are you about this upcoming election? you are excited about ai. lots of people are scared about it. you are also spending an enormous amount of time focused on this election, our democracy. tell us how you feel and why are you so involved? >> i have two strong feelings in this. one is obviously that biden doesn't get a lot of credit for the good stuff he's done. he's worked hard on the climate and yet, while working very hard on the climate, he has raised our gas production to its maximum rate ever, trying to help gas prices but he cares about the everyday american. he cares deeply. it is like one of the things in his bone so he doesn't get enough credit for that and i think it's like wow, you know, he's older it's like okay. of course he's older. they're both older. do you prefer older who cares about you and is wiser due prefer older and demented? that gets to the other strong feeling, which as you know, trump is a candidate. here is a person who incited an insurrection that killed police officers, who is now saying i

want to pardon those people who are heroes, right? assaulting the government building, killing police officers, and maybe i'll even give them jobs and that's just one of the many things. he has been found guilty by a jury of sexual assault and slander on it. this is not a democratic prosecutor, et cetera. this is a jury of americans, and people should -- this is part of what is enshrined in our constitution. if you are american and you believe in the constitution, it is a jury of our peers, and so that kind of thing i think is on the one hand, very positive on biden and on the other hand, i think trump essentially has been twice indicted, and the criminal. >> why do you think this race looks as close as it does? >> i think our challenge is to have people focus on the right issues, and through -- we have this distrust in different news

ecosystems. it is one of the reasons why one of the things i loved about the dominion lawsuit against fox was, you had on a commercial case, you had to reveal the text where these various opinion people said yeah, the 2020 election was totally normal and fine but we have to say something different on camera. well, that is not the system we should be living in. >> do you think the majority of the country even knows what happened and that dominion lawsuit? that media organization, fox news, is across the street and they are spreading the same lies they once were. i mean, they were talking about the bridge collapse in baltimore and blaming immigrants for it. talk about open borders, so the lies continue. >> yes, and i think part of what we have to do for people in every media ecosystem, try to figure out how to get to truth, and what that means is ask yourself, where you might have blind spots, and look at

them. i talked to people who support trump all the time, and i say like make the argument. like here are my arguments. what are your arguments. they say well, he was the first to be strong in china. okay, maybe out of the presidencies he was the first to be strong on china. weigh that against promoting insurrection and violence. it's like look, i have the conversation. i talked to people but yeah, i hear where it is not that trump is a complete train wreck in 100% of everything he does. it's only 95%. okay fine, there's that 5% but that 95% is disastrous. that is the thing where i walk the walk of i try to talk to people who disagree with me and listen to their arguments, and i want fox in their show to do the same thing. >> do you think that will ever happen? >> i hope. >> i like that. one might say, democrat reid,

you gave to nikki haley. >> i've heard that before. i supported democrats a number of times and i'm not the classic republican who cares about things like business. obviously i'm a business person, too, but this election is different because it is about the rule of law. it is about democracy. it's about caring about the country, not about yourself. caring about the everyday people. >> as a business person, you don't think that president biden is antibusiness, do you? >> not at all, and for example, when i spent hours talking to him, he turns and he says look, i need to understand the say i think but where he starts from

his what is it going to mean for the average american? is there anything i need to be doing to help the average american but he is curious, right? he asked me questions about it. it's a kind of thing like i know you guys are building the stuff. how does it help business and industry? he starts with the average american gets to, what is this going to mean for american business? >> what is the one thing you spent an enormous amount of money and time educating yourself and no others about what you think matters in the political landscape. for people who are not inspired about voting right now, what should they care about? >> so, part of the reason why a lot of people tend to say oh, government doesn't work, it's because they don't pay attention to when it is working and there is a lot of things that is in america, i'm really thankful about living in this country. i think we have like, barring a certain orange haired man trying to break it, we have a working rule of law system. i think we have one of the best education systems with

universities and below that we have a lot of innovation in high schools and all the rest and i actually think the charter school thing is not just good for charter schools, but to make the whole system. we believe in capitalism for having a competitive ecosystem causing everyone to be better. that is part of what charter schools do and i think all of that is stuff we benefit from. we benefit from a world order that has had unprecedented decades of peace because of the role america has played in leadership in the world. all of that makes me proud to be an american. >> thank you so much. >> pleasure. >> and, our thanks to reid and stephanie for that interview. when we come back, former crypto king sam bankman-fried is sentenced to a quarter of a century behind bars. we break down his big day in court on the 11th hour continues.

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how exciting is it to be here for opening day? >> very exciting. >> what does it mean to someone from baltimore to see that bridge go down? after everything baltimore has been through the last couple of days, how important is opening day? >> its great. everybody gets to come together . >> i think it will lift spirits. it will make them forget that tragedy. they will be able to move on and it will put them in a good mood. >> one last thing before we go tonight. an emotional opening day in baltimore just two days after the tragic collapse of the francis scott key bridge. baltimore orioles honor the victims and the first responders before their home opener. there was a moment of silence as a replica of the flag that flew when francis scott key wrote the star-spangled banner

was displayed in the outfield. a few hours before the first pitch, the maryland governor with the orioles ownership group and the legendary reverend cal jr. and more promised the city they would see the bridge rebuilt. >> baltimore may get knocked down, but baltimore doesn't stay down. baltimore gets back up. and the reason i came here today is because i am calling on everybody to do their part. in this game, nobody gets to sit on the sidelines. we need every single baltimoreans and we need every single maryland are to join us in this work to rebuild this bridge and rebuild the city. this team reminds us what we are made of. the orioles give us hope. the orioles give us pride. the orioles remind us what it means to be maryland tough and baltimore strong. together, again, we are going to have another reopening day,

and that will be the reopening of the francis scott key bridge. and you can bet on that. just hours ago, the federal government announcing $60 million would be released immediately for emergency work on the bridge. and on that note, i wish you a good night. remember, you can catch my show, ayman, every week, starting here on msnbc. from our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late. see you at the end of tomorrow. ♪ ♪ ♪ thanks to you at home for joining me this hour. on august 2nd of 2007, this was the top story on the evening news. >> tonight,