and that will be the reopening of the francis scott key bridge. and you can bet on that. >> just hours ago, the federal government announcing $60 million would be released immediately for emergency work on the bridge. on that note, i wish you a good night. you can catch my show every weekend at 7:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. for all of our colleagues, thank you for staying up late. see you at the end of tomorrow. tonight on all in. >> they are taking away john eastman's law license which is outrageous. he is one of the best attorneys in the united states, perhaps in history. >> actual justice for an

infamous january 6th plotter. >> anybody not willing to stand up to do it does not deserve to be in the office. >> rachel maddow on what happens when the big lie meets the criminal justice system and the growing pressure on the supreme court. >> the american people have the right to see the evidence and the court ought to recognize that. then, colorado secretary of state jena griswold on the alarming increase in threats after her state's effort to remove trump from the ballot. and the secretary of transportation pete buttigieg on the federal response in baltimore and the federal push to rebuild the bridge when all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. we are seeing small bits of justice served to the smaller fish members of the trump gang who plotted to overthrow our democracy. today is the effective end of

the legal career of trump gang lawyer john'sman who has been recommended for disbarment for his role in the criminal plot. eastman actually had a long legal career despite always being something of a fringe right wing crank. he had a fair amount of influence and clerked for clarence thomas before joining the powerful conservative law firm. even served as the dean of a law school for a time. but eastman will be forever remembered as one of the legal master minds behind donald trump's attempted coup. specifically the plan to get congress to reject electors in states joe biden won. it appears he will lose his license in the state of

california. a california judge remmed eastman be disbarred. the evidence clearly proves that eastman and president trump entered into an agreement to obstruct the joint session of congress on january 6th. the judge also added quote, the scale and egregiousness far surpasses the misconduct at issue. now that is a reference to donald sagretti, a former campaign lawyer for richard nixon best known for coining a rodent themed phrase for political dirty tricks we cannot repeat on this program. his law license was suspended in california. he ultimately served prison time for his own attempts to subvert the democratic process. so that's not a great comparison for john eastman. at one level, there is something maddening about this. eastman did everything he could

to over through the constitutional order and now he might not be able to practice law anymore. but there is also something revealing about the eastman disbarment hearing. in every single case, i think without exception, when you take what happened, and you put it through some process of fact finding with evidence and testimony, witnesses, that the process inevitably determines something gravely wrong occurred. when it comes to eastman in particular, that has been true a long time. a federal judge ruled that eastman could not hide documents from the january 6th committee by citing claims of attorney client privilege because of something called the crime fraud exception which means privilege doesn't apply when the information in question may have been used in furtherance of a criminal act. a judge found quote it is more likely than not that president

trump and dr. eastman dishonestly conspired to obstruct the joint session of congress on january 6th. adding, quote, the illegality of the plan was obvious. and, this is not an isolated thing with eastman. he is not the only lawyer to be subject to sanctions for his role in the coup. sydney powell has also pleaded guilty. she was sanctioned in michigan for spreading lies about the 2020 election. rudy giuliani faces charges in the georgia case. he filed for bankruptcy after a judge ruled he must pay two georgia election workers nearly $150 million. $150million for defaming them with his election lies. and giuliani admits his legal career is effectively over. >> the bar association will crucify me no matter what. i will be disbarred in new york. i will be disbarred in washington. it will have nothing to do with anything i did wrong.

and i consider that something that will help me in heaven for sticking to my principles. [ laughter ] sure. i don't know what saint peter is up to these days up there. but i'm not sure that is going to cash out. it had everything to do with what he did. in court after court, in administrative proceeding after administrative proceeding, the same result. another coup plotter is currently trying to defend himself from legal sanctions in front of the washington dc bar association. clark who is also charged in georgia faces potential disbarment after he tried to have then president trump install him as attorney general in furtherance of the coup attempt. he was forced to revoke the fifth amendment in something of a self-fulfilling prophesy. bemoan the fact it would warrant a mention on the very network. things did not go any different for clark today when his own

witness, the person he called disagreed with clark's key claim that he was serving as donald trump's attorney while working as an environmental lawyer at the department of justice. >> in this instance, who was the client? >> i disagree with mr. clark on that. i think the client is the department of justice and the american people. not necessarily the occupant of the office of president. >> to be clear, that's the whole ball game. that is all of magaism in a nutshell. do you work for the american people? for the u.s. system of government and the constitution or do you work for the one dude? when that didn't work, clark brought in the big guns and maga congressman matt gaetz came to testify. he defended clark's plot. after bar resisted efforts to

go along with the coup. >> there was no fraud. when i knew that it was bar, i complain to my colleagues on the floor of the house including scott perry and others that bill bar couldn't possibly be truthful in what he was saying in the media. he was inhibiting the work that would disprove the statements he was making potentially. >> barr of course left with a perfectly lovely note about how great donald trump was. rather than go along with the big lie, also tries to oust for the same reasons. so you are in a zoom meeting in 2020. that's the way this is playing

out. at the furthest margins of public consciousness. hearings live streamed to a few dozen people. but these will help shape the understanding of trump's coup. the reason is there is a different weight to these allegations after they are thoroughly vetted through some kind of open process of fact finding and testimony. it is not just people saying this or people saying that. there is a process. what happened here? was this okay or not? did you violate the standards of ethics necessary to practice law? that's why it is so important to litigate the plot. because so much the big lie. and the ongoing pledge to finish the coup this november rests on the trump campaign

operating in its entirely alternate universe of right wing propaganda. that is the world where the facts don't really matter. and for people who are not paying attention, the majority of americans not getting all of this secondhand through vibes and someone saying something or something on social media, it is very easy for the truth. both factual around moral about what happened to recede in the background. that is why a public trial is so important before the election. i suspect they will do what they can to ensure the trial doesn't happen. because i think they know perfectly well, that if donald trump were subjected to the same process where he first sit before a jury, and have to make his arguments and call witnesses about a stolen election, he would be no better

off than john eastman is today. i'm joined now by rachel maddow airing mondays here on msnbc. i thought of you when i saw the sagretti shout-out. in the eastman decision as a huge watergate nerd. but one thing that makes me chuckle morbidly, a bunch of these people went to prison. they didn't just get disbarred. there were also criminal consequences for a number of them. >> yeah. and thank you for pointing that out and putting it next to the way the case was name checked. as you pointed out, the way saggreti was brought up, what john eastman did was way worse than what donald did. and of course, he went to prison. eastman may yet go to prison.

to see trump lawyers here. the federal investigation. how that went away. he is facing a ruinous defamation judgment. eastman is barred from practicing. can they have all pled guilty. all of them right? stephanie lambert got arrested. one of the take aways is the bar associations are holding up as an american institution. and who would have picked them as the institution? they tried to construct this

legal tissue. and the lawyers thus far have been the only ones that have paid. it has been the rioters and the reason the lawyers have paid is because the bar associations have stood up and said we will do our part here. >> that is an important point. what was so insidious about the coup attempt, doing pr more than actual law was that it was, what they said were legal claims. they were trying to cloak this in the language of not open insurrection, an attempt to topple democracy, but in a bunch of procedural mechanics. the bar association, the guild of lawyers is saying these arguments are not just like arguments of the margin that

are sort of interesting. they are not doing law. they are doing something else. >> yes. and, people who study the way that democracy has turned into authoritarian systems of government, talk about civil society and professional associations. and the different types of institutions we have as a country you don't necessarily think of as being close to the electoral process. but they have an important role in policing what you are allowed to do and stay in good standing so when we talked about, i have been obsessed with the american fascist and would be fascist leaders in the 1930s . the catholic church ended up being really importantment they did a lot of bad things leading up to world war ii and during world war ii, but they also took charles coglin off the air when he was

organizing his listeners in america into paramilitary cells telling them to prepare for violent revolution against the u.s. government. the church came in and took them off the air. with george van horn mosley who said he was going to be the american fuerer. the u.s. army came in and said we will take your pension if you keep talking about being america's fuehere. he said he would come in and take the money and ditch the dictatorship. institutions of all kinds are called upon. there has been a concerted effort within the legal profession to say not in our name and not with our skills. we self-regulate and we are not going to do this. >> there is the constitutional aspect holding up in the bar association which is really important to me. but last night, we talked about keri lake and the fact she waved the white flag on the

defamation suit. a big lie, too, her knock off sequel. that was as ridiculous and luckily not as violent. what strikes me as important, i want to say this because i think people think the libs want donald trump to be tried for this retribution. honestly, the thing most important to me is this aspect. we don't have a lot of mechanisms to focus people on establishing consensus facts. it was tarnished in lots of ways. the many we have seen, or in these other processes. like bar. when you get into the realm, there is nothing there. the facts are plain as day. the intentions are plain as day. to fix that for the american people, that is why i feel it

is so important. not even about retribution or justice. it is about establishing. >> and part of it i think, because part of me is forever eight years old and constantly need to be entertained. part of it is just the hilarity of it. in the jeff clark disbarment trial, one of the things we learned from a senior official who testified is that jeff clark's belief about what was going on in the election was tied to his fantasy that smart thermostats had stolen the election. like okay. you are right. the criminal justice system for all its faults makes evidence public. it tests evidence. it tests facts. it is an adversarial fair process and when you lie, your lie is exposed and that is punished. and pouting doesn't count and

yelling doesn't count. and threats are illegal. and it is a compulsory process and the truth gets president biden and it is done in a fair way. you get to put your best foot forward. with joke lawyers or real lawyers if you can afford them. and that process is something that can prove reality. it can bring earth one and earth two crashing together in a way that really makes all the myth lose its power. >> we have seen small versions of that time and time again. but not the big one yet. what a pleasure to have you this evening. thank you very much for taking some time. coming up, up, after president biden promises to move heaven and earth to rebuild the bridge, pete buttigieg joins me next. te buttigieg joins me next.

i'm directing my team to move heaven and earth to rebuild the bridge. we will work with our partners in congress to make sure the state gets the support it needs. it is my intention that the federal government will pay for the entire cost of reconstruction of that bridge and i expect congress to support my effort. >> within hours of the bridge collapsing after the cargo ship crash, president biden colleged they would take the lead in rebuilding it. it is crucial not just for the state of maryland or the port of baltimore but the economy of the entire eastern seaboard. the bridge collapse was a disaster and one core role of the federal government is to backstop after disasters. at least one republican is already balking at the idea of using federal funds to rebuild this important piece of infrastructure. >> is congress going to need to pony up more money or is there enough money in the infrastructure package? >> great to be with you maria.

it was kind of outrageous for biden to express. >> it has become standard for a certain type of republican like podcaster ted cruz voting against emergency relief after superstorm sandy. only to come hand in hand to claim federal money for texas. >> donald trump boasted about not providing support to governors who didn't support him. now with this enormous disaster in baltimore, we are seeing the maga vision of governing in action. you only get government services if you support donald trump and screw you if you don't. joining me now, the secretary of transportation pete buttigieg. mr. secretary, it is great to have you on the program. first i wanted to get a brief from where things stand in the aftermart of this disaster in

terms of knowing what caused it and what the next few steps look like. >> thanks. well the ntsb is leading the investigation the partnership with the coast guard. they are looking at everything relevant to understanding the causes. they work independently from us by design. but we are doing everything we can to help in their effort. in the meantime, our focus really is as a department is making sure we get prepared for what is next. dealing with all the traffic disruptions. there are vessels on the site and the last of them should be in place a couple of days after that. to begin with that process of getting the wreckage cleared. you got to understand that passage blocked by the ship.

and the bridge there. this is the only channel in to the port of baltimore. that is why we have to get that cleared in a safe responsible way. so the port can get back up and running and there is the longer term effort of getting the bridge back up. we released the first $60 million of federal funding. there will be much more where that came from. everything it takes to help everyone in baltimore get back to normal. >> so clear iing that ship which is still in that channel, that creates passage in and out of the port. that is priority number one right now. the $60 million in quick release emergency relief funds that got announced, there is sort of a pot of money for the immediate aftermath of disasters. and in terms of the actual transportation logistics here.

it strikes me as an enormous problem to not have that bridge in terms of flow from the port as well. do you have a game plan for how to deal with that? >> we have been working with the maryland dot under the leadership of wes moore as they put together their plans for the design and procurement of the new bridge. 30,000 vehicles a day are on that bridge. there are alternatives but they are both tunnels not suitable for hazardous material transportation at least most of the time. part of what makes this complicated in the meantime. but these are some of the things that the funds can help with. certainly in terms of clearing that channel. they can go to demolition. debris removal. they can go to supporting some of the cost associated with detours. and the early spending and design on the procurement of

the new bridge. though the original bridge took five years to construct, they have already had meetings and sessions beginning yesterday. to launch the design process to get it back up. >> that was my next question. looking at that bridge, that looks like an expensive difficult to build bridge. my amateur eye, it is a long expanse. it also has to be built so that ships can pass in and out underneath it. this is a nontrivial undertaking. what is the time line and the cost like? are you worried from the words we heard from the republican congressman today that this house republican majority is not going to be interested in providing the funding? >> this need to be a bipartisan priority. anybody who views it as otherwise, i'm hoping they will reconsider because it could be your district that is the next one to be struck by tragedy. we always do better when

america comes together. let me give you one example of the situation that happened in the past. the bridge collapsed in minnesota not because of a ship or truck strike. it wasn't going over the bay the way the bridge in baltimore is. it had a sudden catastrophic collapse. $260million of federal funds were brought together. that is something that passed very quickly and rather easily in that congress. i would like to believe we can get that done now, too. things like the 60 million we have put forward, we already got that funding because it was authorized in the infrastructure plan. it is certainly the case ma more funding might be needed and this shouldn't be partisan in the least. just like the original

bipartisan infrastructure law. we didn't have all republicans with us. but a number of republicans across the aisle to work with president biden. work with democrats and get that done. because there is nothing partisan about a road or a bridge. >> secretary pete buttigieg, thank you very much for your time tonight. thank you sir. still to come, the real world danger from trump's worlds. colorado secretary jena griswold talks to us about the threats to her and her family ahead. and her family ahead.

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we have seen time and time again the threat of violence and the uncertainty of harassment and threats to those who cross donald trump. the threats against judges overseeing trump's criminal and civil cases to the death threats and harassment of just ordinary election workers. today we have this news not at all surprising unfortunately. which is that colorado secretary of state jena griswold who supported the decision to bar trump from the ballot has seen a 600% increase in threats. emails declaring we are coming for you. and voice mails saying quote i

hope you f-ing day and your family dies. joining me now is jena griswold. good to have you here, i'm sorry this is happening to you. i think people in the public eye probably get a lot of people angry about them at different times and that is part of being a public representative. people get angry at you and that's part of democracy. then there is something different. threats. somebody who has held office. what does it mean to have this difference? the before and after in your participation? >> thank you for having me. it is always great to see you. to take the step back, the atmosphere changed after the insurrection. that is when i started to

receive death threats and they are not like oh i am upset at your policy. they are threats to your life. since september, we saw a huge up tick. these are people telling me in explicit terms how they are going to hang me, rape me, torture me, kill my family. based on misinformation and lies. >> what do you do about it? >> well, you know. first off, you have to take it seriously. unfortunately, donald trump and the maga right, this is part of their new play book. lies to undermine confidence in elections, pass voter suppression. try to intimidate people out of positions. like me so you can try to tilt elections.

they are likely not all serious. it likely takes one person. it is the threat atmosphere. and ensuring that there is adequate security around me. but another thing that you have to do is just continue on. there is this famous quote that it is something along the lines that courage doesn't mean you are not afraid. courage means fear doesn't stop you. i have never been deterred because of these threats and i never will. >> there is also a logistical toll to this. i say this on a day when the ex- president posted the name of the daughter of the judge in his criminal trial. the father of the judge is absolutely nothing to do with

it. he is targeting her. it does change. let's say nothing bad happens. most of these are people who are angry and not going to do anything. it changes the conditions under which you are working in ways that are imposing some kind of cost. >> absolutely. it is something you have to take really seriously. if someone is telling you over and over and over. you have to take it seriously. it affects your entire family. you know. we have had to do things like set up security. i have had to testify against someone in court.

and ultimately, the threat atmosphere i'm living in feels very real. but that is the purpose of the maga right doing this. it has led to real changes outside of just the fact that folks like me have to live like this. election workers have stepped down. election workers have said since 2021, they are afraid. colorado has lost 38% of our elected county clerk s who decided to move on since 2020. >> is that normal turnover or much higher? >> oh it's much higher. these threats have a toll on election workers, they see the threats and hear them as folks call in into our phone lines. they are screamed at. these are civil servants trying to serve coloradans. and uphold our democracy.

that is the entire purpose of the threats. i won't be intimidated. with that said, state and federal officials need to take this more serious. there are so many times when secretaries of state like me are told the threats against us are not serious and we do not deserve adequate security. officials need to take this seriously. our threats to election officials which has only prosecuted 20 cases since 2021. >> thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. still ahead, as tensions flare between president biden, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, the head of save the children just returned from gaza today and she is here coming straight from the airport. she joins me next. airport. she joins me next.

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after a growing rift and public words between president biden and netanyahu, there will be talk talks. netanyahu canceled the meeting originally in anger. this all comes as new polling from gallop in the u.s. finds for what appear to be the first time in the gallop poll, a majority of americans 55% disapprove of the military action in gaza up 45% from november. we are now almost six months into the war after the hamas attack on israel that killed

about 1200 men, women, an children. there are more than 32,000 palestinians in gaza who have died. two-thirds of them in women and children. it is hard to know how they are faring. the international court of justice ordered israel to take all necessary and effective measures to ensure without delay the unhindered provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance. findings that palestinians are no longer facing only a risk of famine but is famine is setting in. we have the president and ceo of save the children. one of the international aid organizations works in gaza. she literally just flew back. you had been on the egyptian side of the border, this time you were able to get into gaza.

what did you see? >> welshing thanks chris, first and foremost, what strikes you is that people are literally everywhere. children are everywhere. running across the streets, jumping on cars. tents are everywhere. we are talking sheets of plastic. the whole of rafah now hosts 1.5 million people. so that is what you see. >> thick with people. people are trying to sort of survive. in the middle of all that rubble. >> even if you take away the sort of distinct situation that gaza is in which is that its borders are controlled by the

israeli defense forces. if you were in the american city, you would immediately create enormous stresses on all parts of the infrastructure of that city. and i imagine that has to be a lot of desperation and the basics around how people function. >> it is unbelievable and desperation doesn't begin to describe it. i met a community. i saw a distribution of hygiene kits in rafah. close to the beach. little north of rafah. sort of a third of the way up. the women have come from the north of rafah. they were displaced early october. they walked all the way and were displaced twice again. walking all the time with only the clothes on their backs and their children. and now they are in a tent community. and they were telling us so they showed me their one bathroom that they share with 600 people in that community.

so it takes them. >> 600 people? >> 600 people. going straight out onto the beach. so that is solid waste disposal. it is a huge, huge health concern. >> it must be like this everywhere. all of it is done. >> yeah. and it is incredibly dangerous of course. for public health. so, they spent hours in line to get to the bathroom. then they have to stand in the line to get clean water for the children that is essentially the day done. the kids there that i saw, a lot of them had no shoes. bare feet. and running around bare feet, had no shoes. were hungry. a lot of them, i mean, i think all of them had something. either a respiratory illness. a lot of coughing. rashes. diarrhea because they don't drink clean water. et cetera. so it is absolutely a

humanitarian catastrophe of epic proportions. >> what are your staff saying about the ability to get aid into and to treat people with basic things like medicine or get them provisions? antibiotics for instance? >> everything. painkillers. everything. when i was there in january, it was bad. only 140 trucks made it in per day. we need 500. all of the that. everybody is not an expert on truck numbers. february was a lot worse. now we are seeing an up tick. it is still woefully inadequate. we are nowhere near 300 trucks let alone 500 trucks. and there is extra need now. it was heartening to see earlier in the week, the day before i was there, they managed to get seven trucks into the north. much, much needed. they stopped sending stuff there before because of the

dangers, the risk. that distribution happened to make sure that all the people who needed it, it was distributed. so we were happy to see that. and hopefully, we can do more. we would like to see 40 trucks per day get in. seven is a drop in the ocean. one of the bottlenecks is the authorized number of drivers is inadequate. 78 names. we have 14 drivers that are actually authorized to go in. so that in and of itself again, creates an impediment. >> there are a lot of dials to turn in terms of getting that. . >> thank you very much. >>ha thank you. >> that is all in" on this thursday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex. >> we are sitting in a studio surrounded by protesters trying to bring attentiones to this ise to the three presidents headquartered in radio