again on easter sunday. back to you, ryan. >> claudio lavanga in st. peter's square. thank you for that. that does it for us in this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show on social media @mitchellreports. right now it is time for "chris jansing reports," which starts right now. ♪♪ good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. the battle for big bucks is on. president biden setting the bar incredibly high, $26 million raised last night alone. now donald trump is trying to smash that record, but donors may want to know how much is going to go to court costs as opposed to his campaign. plus, the delicate and dangerous process of clearing the wreckage at baltimore's key bridge, just getting started. so how long until the port reopens and who will foot the

bill? . and a judge nominated by two different republican presidents warning of the dangers of escalating threats against judges and their families after donald trump attacked not just judge juan merchan, but his daughter too. how this other judge sees threats to officers of the court as a threat to the rule of law. we begin today with the contrast in campaigns, as we gain new insights into the money and the messaging wars between president biden and donald trump. e today team biden is hosting day-long retreat for 175 of his deepest pocketed supporters, just hours after pulling off the most profitable political fundraiser in history. but not to be outdone, donald trump is on a mission to raise $33 million at a gathering next weekend, trying to top biden's 26 million. his event at radio city music hall in new york city featured the president and his two democratic predecessors, laying out a campaign strategy that

might even be described as neighbor to neighbor. >> the way social media is now operating, there's so much disinformation out there, news is splintered so that, you know, we're not all getting the same story, and as a consequence, a lot of people are mistrustful of what they see, what they hear. they don't know what to believe, everything seems contradictory. it feels like people are yelling all the time, and so what people still do listen to, though, are their friends. >> absolutely. >> they still listen to people they know and they trust. >> well, it was a praise fest for president biden, less than an hour away on long island, donald trump was in full attack mode using the funeral of a police officer as a platform to go after biden. he criticized the lack of law and order, a message he repeated this morning on fox news. >> it's getting worse and worse for police because we're not -- we're not taking care of them.

we're not allowing them to do their job properly. this country is going to hell. our country is not respected anymore. we're really -- i say it in my rallies and speeches, we're ha nation in decline. >> crime in new york city is about where it was a decade ago when it was often referred to as america's safest big city. violent crime has declined across the country. rates of rape, robbery, and aggravated assault are down. the polls show americans believe the crime rate is going up. i want to bring in tim miller, writer at large for the bulwark. philip rucker, both tim and phil are msnbc political analysts, and mike memoli who was at the fundraiser in new york last night is out of washington and here with me. it's good to see you all. phil, i want to start with this huge issue for joe biden of disinformation and misinformation. president biden suggests this is really something voters need to work out for themselves talking

to each other with their neighbors, but can the biden campaign really afford to do that? what do they need to do? >> yeah, chris, it is a huge concern for the biden campaign in part because trump and his allies have been so effective the last number of years in spreading misinformation, and it's gone deep within trump's network of supporters. millions of people getting falsehoods through email, through social media, through, you know, pro-trump communications. and it's really, i think, going to require more than just neighbor to neighbor communication, but the biden campaign communicating their own message and communicating, you know, the counter facts in addition to, of course, just fair and objective media coverage across the board of presenting facts as you just did about the crime in new york city. that's essential too, but i think only relying on neighbors

to talk to theirrs to get facts straight is a risky proposition considering that so many millions of americans who have neighbors and are neighbors are being unindated with misinformation all the time. >> every day we have these crazy split screens. yesterday was misinformation by donald trump about crime, he kept saying things are getting worse. the fact is violent crime is down, as i said. in new york city specifically, major felony offenses are on track to be lower than last year. far lower now than they were back in the '90s, and yet there are many new yorkers, including democrats and progressives who say they're nervous about the subways. they don't feel safe on the street. is it kind of like the economy, the facts are one thing, the feeling is another thing, and in many ways that's the harder hurdle to get over? >> look, i think they're both a challenge for sure. the facts and they're related. i think the biden team and the

white house and democrats writ large could do a better job talking about the facts of what's happening with crime. we are seeing that more. i think that over the last few weeks, for example, i've seen a number of democratic senators and surrogates try and push back against trump. i think that's very important. the optics also matter. joe biden over his career has been a supporter of the police. joe biden and the democratic legislative -- the democratic congress, excuse me, included more funding for police while republicans are trying to defund the federal police, the fbi and agenies like that. having events with capitol police who were obviously attacked by the trump supporters because trump spurred them on, having events with the capitol police, having events with police, you know, biden has often done eulogies at police funerals. i think that doing that and thinking about the optics of

this would also go a long way for democrats because i do think they have a message that they can talk about that is fact-based when it comes to crime and when it comes to policing. >> joe biden knows, mike, the other presidents, the former presidents know that this information is a major challenge, and i wonder, you were there last night, i want to hear a little more about the conversation they had, but is this also potentially where the cash advantage that joe biden and the democrats have comes in? >> absolutely, chris, and what we saw last night from this event is that the biden campaign knows this is an all hands on deck effort, whether that's other elected officials like hakeem jeffreys and chuck schumer, whether it's entertainers like lizzo and queen latifah and mindy kaling who got the crowd riled up and elder statesmen like barack obama and bill clinton, from bill clinton reprising that role of explainer in chief, the secretary of explaining stuff. he was trying to deconstruct

these complex economic issues right now to explain -- >> and he is good at it. >> he is. >> and he was talking about why maybe there is that disconnect between what the data shows and what voters see. i was told by a senior aide that barack obama feels it's his mission right now to really testify to joe biden's personal character. he was doing that throughout the night, talking about not just his record but the wisdom, the empathy he brings to this job, especially on difficult issues like gaza. he really even condemned some of those in the audience who were heckling him. >> let me ask you about that since you bring it up. i've heard a number of people say -- and a few of them who were actually there -- that that could be a lesson for joe biden that barack obama seems to have a way of kind of, you know, threading the needle, being firm but also not dismissive. >> that's what surrogates are for, right? they can say things that joe biden can't. joe biden needs to do work to get young voters behind him right now. we've seen in michigan and other states that uncommitted vote a real problem for him.

barack obama is not on the ballot. he can maybe give that love to democrats to say what he said last night, the presidency is a tough job. there are no easy decisions. you want somebody like joe biden who will listen to all sides but then bring his moral clarity to this and make the right decisions in the end. that's what we're going to continue to see. it's an important role for obama going forward. >> let's talk about money on the other side. not only is donald trump raising less than biden, there's a "new york times" analysis today that concludes he has paid $100 million in legal bills since leaving office. that's an average of $90,000 a day. i wonder if you think, first of all, he can raise $33 million in a day next week, something apparently his campaign says he's going to do, but especially since -- and this is from the "associated press," the fine print of that event shows that save america, the committee that's been paying his legal bills will be given a cut of that money before even the rnc, and i wonder if that's a split republican big money donors are

comfortable with. >> yeah, well, just generally speaking when a donald trump spokesperson says that something is going to happen, i assume that that's a lie or not true just based on past experience. we'll see, i'll believe it when i see it on the money in the bank when they have to report. they've struggled to raise money over the first three months of the year. there's no doubt about that. i think that some big donors have been skeptical of wanting to support donald trump, possibly because of the money going into the lee fees. possibly because they were supportive of desantis and haley, and i think that the small dollar donors, you can only draw so much blood from a stone. donald trump's been asking these people for $10 ever since 2016, and the asks have amplified exponentially ever since january 6th and ever since really after the 2020 election with the stop the steal stuff. so i do think he's struggling to raise money, and i do think that part of the contrast that biden can take advantage of is right now he's on the air. donald trump is not. advertisements, trying to frame the race, but also if you just

look at donald trump's schedule, it seems to me like he's not having events because they're too expensive. and it's not been 100% reported and clear on that. maybe there are other reasons. maybe too many lawyer meetings or he's got golf, but you look at the schedule, he's not having very many events and these events are expensive. talking about the private air travel, getting people there et cetera, and i think that it's related to the lack of money or the money troubles the campaign is having. >> the legal fees aren't going to go away, phil, so what i mean, if you're going to split part of the fund-raising, right, with the campaign to pay your legal bills, what does that mean for his ability to actually run a fulsome campaign or for that matter help the rnc? >> well, chris, it certainly inhibits his ability to spend that money on political activities, on campaign rallies as tim was referring toadvertis incredibly expensive on tv,

radio, on social media. these are ways he needs to get his message out. especially in some of those critical swing states, but it also costs a lot of money to hire workers on the ground in some of those states to do the door knocking, the phone calls, et cetera, that it takes to turn people out to vote come fall. and so, you know, every million dollars that goes to some of his lawyers is a million dollars that's not going to fund his campaign efforts, and then if you consider that he's starting out at a deficit relative to biden and that he's just not raising as much money for his campaign as biden, and then so much goes to the legal fees, it really leaves him very little for his political activities, relative to what a successful presidential campaign requires. >> we know the fight for that tiny sliver of the middle is expected to cost billions, and "politico's" jonathan martin wrote that biden has not reached out to republicans who have refused to commit to backing trump from chris christie to

mitt romney, something he called political malpractice. mike, what can you tell us about their plans to reach out to the middle? >> well, president biden raised a lot of money last night, and we get a sense today of how he's going to spend that money. at this donor meeting he held today, his senior management leadership team debuted an ad, which is going right after nikki haley voters. this ad will include donald trump's own words calling her a bird brain, saying in response to a question from garrett haake that he doesn't think he needs her voters. this speaks to the demographic breakdown that they've been tracking very closely in all these primaries and caucuses, even since nikki haley dropped out, where trump's support has been soft, where they think there are voters to be poached and now they're putting that on the air waves as well. mike memoli, phil rucker, tim miller, thank you. in 60 seconds, the cavalry is coming, massive equipment and money now rolling in to begin those salvage operations on baltimore's collapsed francis scott key bridge, but who will ultimately pay for it all?

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had. rite now the largest crane on the eastern seaboard is on the scene in baltimore preparing for the complicated and dangerous effort to salvage the collapsed francis scott key bridge. the army corps of engineering is calling this cleanup one of the biggest challenges it has ever faced. divers will need to go into the dark, murky waters with special underwater torches in order to cut the numerous pieces of mangled steel and concrete into sizes the crane can handle. before any of that can happen, the coast guard has to stabilize the ship and remove the hazardous materials. and we're now getting some idea of what all this will cost. the biden administration has already approved the first chunk of cash, $60 million to go to maryland, but the department of transportation says that is just a start. some estimates that overall costs are already in the billions.

joining me now is nbc's gary grumbach in baltimore, nbc's ali vitali is on capitol hill where lawmakers are in the very early stages of response talks. what's the latest, gary, on the ground in baltimore? >> hey there, chris, some of the logistics involved here, they have to get cranes from around the east coast. some of the biggest cranes that were here in the baltimore area are not big enough to get the bridge off of this ship, so they had to bring them from the new york area, down the east coast, and in through a back way to get to this port of baltimore. they then have to bring the army corps of engineers here to start doing some of the serious work that you were describing, some of the dangerous work that you were describing, they're going underwater in this frigid water and having to cut these into pieces and make sure every single bit of it is removed because they cannot leave any pieces of bridge there because when ships come by once it's reopened, they don't want to risk other ships being impacted by pieces of the bridge.

our tom costello talked to the army corps of engineers last night, here's what they had to say about this process. >> the biggest challenge right now is what's right behind me. that piece of steel you see draped across the front of the vessel, that weighs somewhere between 3 and 4,000 tons. we've got to get that piece of bridge off the front of the vessel. we've got to determine how to best cut it, where to cut it, and how to safely lift it off. then we've got to march our way across this 700 foot channel and do the same thing with the steel members on the surface and those members that are 50 feet below us. >> reporter: we just got an email from the governor's office. governor wes moore is expected to provider an update at 2:00 p.m. today with further updates as to the efforts that are going on here in baltimore. chris. >> so thank you for that, gary. ali, we already know, we talked about that $60 million that came out of the emergency fund, the transportation secretary pete buttigieg was on this show a couple of days ago talking about how that was going to be released as quickly as possible,

and it was. but that's just a drop in the bucket. what do we know about where lawmakers stand right now on funding this recovery and reconstruction effort? >> you're right to point out, chris, that it is very early in this process, and congress isn't even in session right now. they are on recess this week. they're on recess next week, and so this is probably not going to be an issue that's taken up in a serious way in terms of being actionable, at least until the house and senate get back in session in early april. nevertheless, the conversation is already starting. you mentioned that 60 million in quick release cash, basically to help them clear the channel. that is only a small portion of what we're likely to see congress ultimately allocate to this effort, clearing that major port and then trying to get it back to functionality along with that bridge in as quick a time as possible. when you look at estimates, i know that people are going into the billions. i don't think that anyone is truly shocked when you see the size and scope of what's actually happening on the ground there in baltimore. one of the ways that we can even

just start to put an estimate on this process is folks are looking to compare this to a 2007 bridge collapse in mississippi. that one was only a quarter of a mile long and ultimately cost $234 million to replace. the baltimore bridge, of course, is much longer and the cleanup efforts already starting to drain down some of that money that's going to be used for the full on removal and then replacement of everything that's been lost during this emergency and this crisis. >> ali vitali, thank you for that. gary grumbach, and as gary said and you see it on your screen, 2:00, so about 40 minutes from now, the maryland governor, wes moore is expected to hold a press conference, we may learn much more about all of this. we'll have that for you, but thank you both. meantime, syria says israel just carried out its heaviest strike there in years. the syrian observatory for human rights says israeli air strikes near the northern city of aleppo killed more than 40 people. most of them syrian troops, but

also fighters from the militant group hezbollah, which is now launching retaliatory attacks in israel. nbc's josh lederman is following all of this for us overseas. josh, what does this latest escalation mean for the israel-hamas war? >> we've been talking for so many months about the fears that the gaza conflict would explode into a wider war. make no mistake the death of 40 people in syria is a big deal. it is a big concern. israel is not commenting on these strikes. that is not surprising. in fact, since the war started in october, israel has conducted literally hundreds of strikes in government controlled areas in syria and usually it does not acknowledge them. but israel today is acknowledging other air strikes in neighboring lebanon targeting hezbollah. in fact, both israel and hezbollah say that the israeli air force took out a top hezbollah commander.

he was actually the number two in the missile and rockets units of the iran-backed group hezbollah. and so we continue to see this tit for tat violence. in fact, russia is now responding to this, they are an ally of syria. they are calling these latest israeli strikes in syria a blatant violation of syria's sovereignty, but what is clear here, chris, is that as long as this war goes on, we are going to continue to see iran behind these proxies continuing to try to escalate and use this to their advantage. until there is a resolution to what we're seeing in the gaza strip, we are likely to see israel continuing to exchange fire across its border with lebanon, with hezbollah into syria as well as the u.s. fighting with the iran-backed houthi rebels in yemen. and so the big question right now is whether this will continue to remain kind of low level tit for tat back and forth

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you rarely see public comments like this from a sitting u.s. district judge, but reggie walton is voicing serious concern about the verbal attacks against judges in cases involving donald trump. it comes after trump again went after the judge in the new york hush money trial as well as his daughter, calling her a rabid trump hater based on a social media account that, as it turns out, isn't hers at all. it's a situation judge walton warns is dangerous, and it's one he knows all too well because he has been a target himself. >> yes, threatened me one day and the next day called and made a threat against my daughter and also indicated my address, so

they obviously had done some research to find out that i had a daughter and what her name was. it's very disconcerting to have someone making comments about a judge, and it's particularly problematic when those comments are in the form of a threat. >> i want to bring in nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly, also with us msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. so lisa, we don't often hear judges wading into things that can be considered, you know, politically charged, but what does this tell you about the moment we're in right now? >> chris, i want to underscore the first part of your question as an affirmation. federal judges by nature are allergic to the press. they see us and many of them run away, and so to have seen reggie walton give a television interview last night was absolutely extraordinary and stunning. i know a number of federal judges, and i will tell you that on background, i spoke to at

least two this morning who confirmed for me that seeing a colleague on the federal bench was, in fact, highly unusual and one even expressed her gratitude to him for speaking up as a senior member of the judiciary perhaps nearing the end of his career. that said, this is a break glass moment akin to seeing judge michael luttig testify before the january 6th committee where he thought donald trump was a clear and present danger to the future of our democracy. to see judge walton, himself a sitting federal judge, not a retired federal judge like judge luttig call attention to the threat environment that federal judges are under was breathtaking. >> and ryan, you've covered this judge before, reggie walton, he's had a lot of january 6th defendants in his courtroom. he says the amount of threats he's received has escalated ever since. what more can you tell us about him, and in fact, the threat to judges all around the country, particularly in trump-related cases? >> yeah, i think judge walton

like a lot of judges in the d.c. federal courthouse has been sort of flabbergasted that so many americans that had a law-abiding life before january 6th actually believe donald trump's lies about the election. judges really love facts, right? that's something that they're very big on, here's the facts and here's what actually happened. and to see so many people just fall for sort of absurd lies that have no basis in logic or reason is really something i think just confounds and confuses them, and that's something they speak out about in court. those comments they make in these court cases, especially in these misdemeanor cases that are just maing their way through the courthouse every day, aren't gathering the type of attention you would get from going on cnn or a national news program. it is something that that will get a much broader audience for it. a lot of these judges have been issuing some of these warnings about the threat to democracy and the threat to the country and what a serious thing january 6th was, and we've seen it from cases that range from low level misdemeanor cases all the way up

to cases of seditious conspiracy or cases involving officers who were assaulted with, you know, a stun gun being driven into their neck, really horrific attacks on law enforcement that we saw as a result of all of these trump supporters believing these sort of ridiculous lies about the 2020 election. >> i think it's also worth saying, lisa, that judge walton was nominated to the bench twice by two republican presidents, but let me move on to juan merchan because he's been targeted this week. his daughter's been targeted this week because his limited gag order doesn't cover him or any members of his family. do you see that changing and imminently? because especially when it involves a family member, that's not what they signed up for. >> it's certainly not what the family members signed up for, and judge merchan's daughter, as i understand it, is certainly not a minor. she's an adult woman living her own life and hopefully on her own terms. this was not of her choice. that having been said -- and i

know that this will be head scratching for you and a number of our viewers, when you speak to judges about the risks to them, many of them will say this goes with the job. it is not our job to protect ourselves and cloak ourselves essentially in the judicial mantle of our orders. whether or not they're on the federal bench and have lifetime tenure or are state elected judges like juan merchan and arthur engoron are, many of them don't see it as proper to include themselves within the ambit of a gag order. that's in part because as judges they also have different levels of security details. but chris, as you also know, there have been a number of tragedies involving judges and their families, most famously the case in the district of new jersey, she's a federal judge whose son was murdered. but before judge solace as well, there was a judge in new york a

federal judge who was murdered in the late '80s in his backyard by the father of a disgruntled litigant. judge joan lef cow who is a federal district judge in chicago came home in 2005 to find her husband and mother murdered by a litigant whose case she had dismissed. of maybe threats that never materialize that just come to violent end without any warning. >> there's also the question of whether or not this could impact the way a judge handles the courtroom, rules in a courtroom. i want to play a little bit more about what judge walton said about that last night and the threat environment. >> you can't let that impact on how you live your life and how you treat litigants who are before you. even though threats may be made against you and your family, you still have an obligation to ensure that everybody who comes into your courtroom is treated fairly, regardless of who they

are or what they've done. >> criminals, mobsters threatening judges is not something new, unfortunately, but the breadth of the threats now which ryan has reported so extensively on. is that something we should reasonably expect judges to accept as part of the job? >> i think, chris, there are a number of disincentives for people to accept jobs as judges these days. money is part of that. it is increasingly difficult to find people who are at the top of their game in the legal market who want to accept the salary of a federal judge. there have been complaints for decades from those in the federal judiciary saying they need cost of living increases just to be able to live in some of the urban areas in which they are practicing judges. that having been said, do we need to expect people to expect this? no. this is not normal. this should not be normal. it is weighing on me that one of judge walton's motivations for speaking out last night may not just be the cases that he's seen

before him and the threats to him but the fact that his colleague, judge tanya chutkan on the federal district bench in d.c. has herself been a victim of threats so much so that someone is currently being prosecuted for the things that they have said on her voice mail and the communications that they have sent to her chambers. that's an environment in which no judge, state, federal, lifetime tenure or elected should have to live with. >> lisa rubin and ryan reilly, thank you for a very important conversation. new video out of florida showing good samaritans rushing to help the driver of a flipped suv, it happened in daytona beach after that suv collided with another car. within moments eight strangers rushed to the intersection and helped push the car and flip it back upright. if you can believe it or not, no one was seriously hurt. a stark cover of the wall street journal today marking its reporter evan gershkovich's

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espionage charges. as "the wall street journal" writes, his crime in vladimir putin's world, his crime is journalism. gershkovich is one of 520 journalists imprisoned worldwide. 22 have been killed already this year. all of them like evan with devastated family, friends, colleagues left behind. here with me now is nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons, sam silverman is a close personal friend of evanger issue gershkovich. evan is in russia. we saw him in a courtroom just on tuesday. what's the latest on his situation? >> he had pretrial detention. it's appalling. he could be held almost indefinitely. according to the russians they're still investigating. he's not on trial right now. there's no trial that has started, and these hearings are

about asking just at least that he can be released so that he doesn't have to be held in a prison in moscow, which is a former kgb prison, a chilling place to have to be despite seeing evan and seeing how strong he appears to be when he's in court. nbc news continues to report from russia. we have a great team in moscow who just this week tried to get access to that hearing that was held. the media were told they couldn't get that kind of access. we still don't actually know the details of the accusations against him beyond the fact that it is apparently espionage, which is absolutely denied by "the wall street journal" and the u.s. government. >> sam, a lot to unpack there that i want to talk to you about. i have not stopped thinking about something you said to me at the 100 day mark the last time you were on this program, which was that for those of you who are able to be in touch at times with evan, he is the one providing the strength and support, not the other way around. i know you have to be careful

about the things you say about your interactions with him. is that still true? how is he holding up and how does he hold up? >> yes, it's still very much true. evan by all accounts is okay, but he's working very hard to be okay. he's in a routine of meditating and reading and writing and journaling and doing whatever he can to keep himself in a good head space, and through communication via letters that are going in and out, it seems that he's still got his great sense of humor and still reassuring his family, his friends, and teasing us and, you know, it's clearly a very difficult situation, but he's making the absolute best of it that he can. >> any of us who continue to read his writing during the time that he was able to write for "the wall street journal" know that he is a very gifted journalist. what kind of friend is he? what do you want people to know about him? because in this world when so many people are held, it's important to talk about what is

lost to his family, to his friends, to the world. >> yeah, i mean, he's a great friend for so many different social groups. what's painful about this one-year mark is it causes us to reflect on everything he's missed in the past year. he's missed seven weddings, two of which he should have been the best man at. and to just think about him not partaking in those birthdays and celebrations and everything is so tough, especially because he's made such a wide network of friends through his personal and professional life. >> you have been, keir, on assignment in russia over many months now, but there's been pressure on independent news outlets who are able to report from russia. so based on your unique insight, for those who are not able to report from there or who, frankly, understandably they or their companies are nervous about allowing them even limited reporting from there, what's being lost? >> that's a great question. look, i think "the wall street

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us for the rest of -- it's a generational change. it's going to be with us for a long time. remember, president putin who just won his so-called election is likely to be in power for another 12 years, and even then after -- if and when he is replaced, then it's hard to imagine that's going to be somebody who isn't still kind of in step with that same shift in russia, and that's the real challenge that the west and whatever administration is in washington faces in the years to come. >> and sam, i know you understand that reality, but do you let yourself go to the place of the day he would be released? >> i think about it. i mean, we're looking forward as i mentioned last time to throwing him a big party, and we're still in the planning stages for that, and we really hope that it's sooner rather than later. every day it does get tougher and tougher. >> well, we look forward to having you come back and talk about that party and seeing evan

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since, and i can tell you from conversations with multiple long time arizona republicans that she has struggled to do that. one individual, a local former gop legislative district chair who lives in kari lake's home district who was scorned during kari lake's 2022 run for governor and cast aside, they had coffee this winter at the arizona biltmore hotel and this local activist told me that kari lake never apologized to her and never apologized for any of the claims she made about other republicans, including not apologizing for her attacks against the mccain family. i was talking to a long time gop fundraiser in arizona who was the finance chair for donald trump's 2016 and 2020 campaigns in the state, and she told me that folks are resigning themselves to the fact that ruben gallego could be the next u.s. senator out of arizona, saying she is not helping fund raise for kari lake. she had a fundraiser in the

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u.s. senate race in november, but kari lake is not doing herself any favors among particularly a sub sect of republicans, mccain republicans, doug ducey republicans. this is going to be one of those crucial races as republicans try to regain the u.s. senate majority this november, chris. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you. and coming up, we'll go behind the scenes at president biden's star studded radio city spectacular that rocked in $26 million. the biggest stars and most memorable moments ahead. stay close, more "chris jansing reports" right after this. reports" right after this.

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