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our top story is a special report on a big issue in u.s. government and politics. some consider it the elephant or donkey in the room this year. the gap between most of the powerful people who rule over and run the governments of our nation, the government branches. you're looking at judicial and i'm going to get into a couple. they rule over the rest of the population. this is a gap that i'm going to get into with you, the lifetime members of the supreme court and all the people their decisions impact, it affects many and the citizenry. it applies to both presumptive nominees for president. it may be canceled out between the both of them but has many, many americans asking why are u.s. government leaders so old? why are they so much older than

other leaders of u.s. institutions? why are they so much older than the citizens they lead democratically. if these are arbitrary, should our society try to look at reforms or democratize the institutions and not out of simplistic ageism? if you ever watched the beat, you know we don't do any isms around here. we also keep an open mind to real issues around america, and there are real questions to address antiquated systems and norms. this is obviously back under scrutiny because of these two senior citizen presidential nominees. the reason this is our special story is the facts and history show something much broader. i'm going to get into it with you right now. as for the presidential race, well, the current president just gathered the two ex presidents last night. stephen colbert joked that no one had to come to new york for a court appearance there, that all three presidents were there for the event and i'm sure you

probably heard about by now. the two expresidents finished two terms and both are still younger than the current president, joe biden, who's running for his second term. it was biden himself who chose to bring up the age issue briefly last night. >> all of the things he's doing are so old, speaking of old. and, you know, a little old and out of shape. >> old and out of shape. now as for the politics of this year's campaign, both candidates do face some public skepticism about their age. that was captured by this new yorker cover which is bipartisan. you have a couple of older democrats, couple older republicans and the idea that, again, this is a satire, but it plays with the reality of their age. it's a bipartisan concern over what many americans still see as limited options being presented to them in both parties. indeed, a vast majority of

americans think there should be a maximum age for elected officials. that poll we picked because it pre-dates these current biden thing. that was from 2022 looking at this across the board. now candidates who have faced these questions have often still won and blunted the age issue. both of this year's candidates doing it by sometimes going on the attack. >> you should take a cognitive test. a president should take a cognitive test. >> the guy's about as old as i am. >> now biden allies have said it's better to talk this out right now early in the campaign season because it is true he's the oldest president and they hope to kind of let the air out of the topic, diffuse it or make it boring or old news by november. again, i mentioned the facts that biden and trump are the oldest nominee match-up in history so that's why a lot of people are talking about this, but this goes so much deeper and the solutions would go beyond just looking at either of these two nominees.

our government has many systems that overly reward incumbency and age and many candidates pressed on this over the age with responses that range from tradition to humor. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> seniority does mean something in the united states. >> i know that i'm someone older than you. i'm standing here as proof that in america the possibilities are unlimited. >> what do you say to people -- you're too old. let the younger person now take the mantle. >> i think we should judge people on the totality of their life cycle. i could say that about you. >> what do you say to your doubters who say too old? >> i heard the same thing in

2016 when i was 81 or 2 and here i am. >> now many of these responses are true. that last poll, senator grassley was well over the traditional retirement age but he did win over voters for the election. he had that mantle or legitimacy. bernie sanders won far more support in his party than many younger rivals and his fan base was far younger than other politician's supporters. he built a big and in that sense of age young and diverse coalition which is a rebuttal of the idea he was past his time and that sanders coalition with a lot of young, excited people, may offer lessons for biden that he will need this november. some of the other answers i showed for you are not about rules or substance. congress just has rules that give out the majority of powerful posts for people who have been there the longest. this has nothing to do with

biden or trump. this is a long-running rule. virtually every powerful committee post which controls the money, what legislation gets a vote, goes to the longest serving members who are usually the oldest, and that means one demographic group ends up with much more outsized power than any other cohort in america. they're taking up much more power than anybody else. we hear talk about divisions on race, gender, groupings. most committees are run in congress by one group, this older incumbency group of long-serving politicians rewarding themselves. it's not ageist to ask whether the whole nation should run this way. those rules combined with the broader trend of people living longer nowadays have combined to create something that is not representative and then when you look at wealthier elites who have access to the best health care, that's driven up the age

of congress by about a decade just since the '70s. in both chambers the average senator is now at the typical retirement age. you can add six years to that because they serve those six-year terms. a 64-year-old senator under their job will reach 70 when they finish that term. now the constitution's founders, founding fathers, they may not have predicted this. they have systems here that continue to reinforce that incumbency i mentioned. consider that the position of senator pro temp is in the line of succession. imagine we have a tragedy like in the movie "2012" where several senior officials died. after the vp the presidency goes to the speaker of the house. in 2022 that would have been the 82-year-old speaker pelosi. after that the next position is

the senate pro mp. in 2022 that was 81-year-old patrick leahy. he was born in 1940 back when fdr was president. served as vermont senator for 48 years. again, no disrespect to his experience and wisdom, but it is a relatively old, random rule that says of all the people in government or america, he would step up. it's a fair question whether a doomsday scenario with recently dead or killed american leaders, whether that is the best plan we can come up with for an emergency president. bik companies do succession planning. none of them use the system we are using to this day and none of those companies have nuclear arsenals. the stakes are even higher for the federal government. large companies and non-profits make supposedly substantive or meritocratic choices about who should lead. they don't make the longest head employee the cfo which is what

congress does. consider as recently as 2001 when i mentioned the succession plan, the third person in line to take over the presidency was then 98-year-old strom thurman who had health challenges. he was few people's idea of an emergency president. he rose to prominence as a bigot racist running for president all the way back in 1948. his platform was segregation. now these are the kind of health challenges that are relevant today. again, this is not just about one party. by definition, we're talking about rules and systems and maybe uncomfortable conversations, but these are issues for very powerful people who just stay in these posts, like the late democratic senator feinstein or the gop's current leader, senator mcconnell. >> are you proud of being the oldest man ever to serve? >> not necessarily. i'm just trying to do a good job. >> submitted?

>> just say aye. >> okay. just -- >> aye. >> thank you. >> i'm sorry, i had a hard time here. >> that's okay. what are your thoughts of running for re-election. >> what are my thoughts about what? >> running for re-election in '26? >> that's a -- >> if these are uncomfortable moments to watch, they are part of how people in charge are governing and what we see in public. we don't know what else happens in private and there has to be some level of scrutiny on this even if it's uncomfortable, not meant to be disrespectful. there are plenty of people who attain great vigor and men tall acuity as they age. that's not the only be reason to address this. there are also other ways that this issue and thesis testimony

mick ways that we have an older gerontocracy leaves people under 50 under represented on big issues. >> how do you sustain abusiness model in which they don't pay for services? >> we run ads. >> the median age in the senate is about 142. this is not a tech savvy group. >> it's an attempt to make tiktok better. tick tack toe a winner. >> it is understandable people bring better life experiences to congress. that's actually part of the point of having a democracy, but what if everyone in leadership is decades or 40 or 50 years behind what's happening in current tech or ai? you've got 20 members of congress over 80. you've got 121 over 70.

that's about one out of five. and a whopping 207 who will be 65 or older this year. meaning 40%. we couldn't fit their pictures on the graphic so we put these dots. or the supreme court. lifetime appointments for the justices don't necessarily add stability these days. longer life expectancy mean the justices have been seen clinging to their posts with a foreseeable result. they work up until they die and then the time line of their natural deaths uncorks the bitter partisan battles that we've seen. so, can we do better than this? and can we talk about it as respectful adults in our democracy? i have a conclusion to this special report and our very special guest to give us historical perspective. stay with me right after our

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it's all made up. they talk about seniority like it's some natural thing but no other public company does this. google does not say, well, we need a new cfo, i guess we'll just bring up whoever's worked here the longest, and yet seniority is how congress runs. it awards age and incumbency above all. i want to be clear that incumbency tends to operate to lock in one generation over others and one sets of incumbents over others. they're rewarded with fame and standing which makes it hard for any challenger to match them in their districts and states and that happens with both parties. it's an imbalance that disfavors or discriminates new challengers, whatever their age may be. incumbents reap those advantages from fame. it helps them fund raise. presidential campaigns are more expensive nowadays than ever before because of the size of the country and the need to run ads on television and digital. and that means, if you look at the seemingly young faces on

your screen, people who have been famous for decades have an edge under this system over newer, younger candidates who would need literally hundreds of millions of dollars to build the name recognition in 6 or 12 months that the fellas on your screen have built over decades. trump and biden were two of the most recognizable americans ever before either reached the white house. i don't think it's an accident. nothing about this is automatic. it's actually abhor rant. united states government systems have not changed in a long time while a lot of other things have, from technology to life expectancy. it's an outlier. i mentioned companies or nonprofits do not run this way, and the measures that have been discussed to limit career politicians, they have been very, very popular. for example, if congress just ended its self-dealing seniority

perks of incumbency, a lot of people support that. term limits have been popular across the spectrum. you want to erect someone, check on them and get somebody else in there. not have them be career politicians more comfortable with the d.c. lobbyists and circuit than their own home communities. the supreme court itself limited attempted term limits as itself unconstitutional. interesting that they took that view because reformers are also pushing term limits for the supreme court itself rather than continuing these life-time appointments that have led, as i mentioned it, to older and older judges like dying in office like we're in some sort of kingdom. then there's a related issue of whether we're ever going to curb money in politics. that would dye is -- diversify the system. those are some reforms for a new

age that could make big and immediate change. and, again, the policy goal of those reformers, we've looked at some of their studies, i'm giving you a summary, kind of an overview, their goal is not to discriminate against anyone based on age. their goal is to make a more level playing field that does not just favor and reward incumbents and elites for no substantive reason. sometimes in the daily news cycle we just keep covering how congress is broken or we talk about how it doesn't work, and you're probably familiar with how it doesn't work. these issues i'm talking about and this incumbent racket, that's one of the many ways that the dysfunction gets sort of baked in. the benefits of reform could go beyond the choice in any single election. it might even redeem some of the sclerotic institutions we have in this country. the supreme court currently faces this problem. again, that has nothing to do with ideology or politics if you

look at how older and out of touch and elite all its members are and the incentives for them to just work until they die rather than do what every other institution does, which is have a succession plan, have some level of balance and diversification of new people and ideas as the world changes at a faster pace than really ever before. we could have more choice and competition for our government leaders and for our elections. everyone can still run. no discrimination, no ageism but a fairer system might just yield a system where the best person, whatever their experience, can go ahead and win. it's a big topic. we've looked at a little bit of the facts and history. i want to go deeper, which is why we've called not on a partisan, not on a politician but on presidential historian who is standing by. i promise, this was a double tease, but after one more break michael gets the floor. i'll see you in a minute.

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chief justice william rehnquist has died tonight. 80-year-old william rehnquist had been suffering from thyroid cancer. if he had decided to retire he had that choice but he did not make that choice. >> a seismic, justice anthony scalia on the court for 30 years passing away. >> we have been in unchartered territory since justice scalia died. >> many of the older people in public service dying in office and scrambling politics and jurisprudence. we're joined by nbc news historian michael beschlosh. welcome back. >> thank you, ari. always. >> your thoughts on this issue. >> i thought you said it really well. it reminded me of many things. thomas jefferson said there should be a revolution in society and especially in

government every generation. there always should be young people coming up. if he were living today he would say that's one way of making sure you've got members of congress who understand social media, the internet and that maybe facebook you don't put a quarter in the box to get it to work. another thing is that there was a feeling that the problem would be solved by average life expectancy. when the writing of the constitution occurred 1787, average life expectancy in america was about 30 to 40 years old so if you're a senator, you're elected at the ainge of 30, you're probably going to die either in your first term or during the second unless you allowed for the fact that rich white well educated men who tended to have these jobs, as you were saying earlier, tended to live a little bit longer. there was also two other things. cinci gnat tuss at the plau.

there was an ethic no one wanted to be a member of congress. doesn't that sound dated? but they would be making that a sacrifice. they would leave their happy life and go back to the plough. that is not around any longer. finally, george washington at the age of early 60s said i'm only serving two terms. a president should leave office after two terms to make sure that there are no dynasties, no kings. when fdr was elected to four terms congress and the american people passed an amendment saying there's going to be a legal limit, only two terms on a president. >> yeah. appreciate you giving us so much food for thought. if i said to people tonight we need to set an age limit on tv journalists for congress and we should set it at the age of 200, if we set it at 200, ari, what

are you talking about? it would sound off. we don't know whether advances in nanotechnology and ai and other things may some day extend it that long. i say that satirically that the founders put in age minimums 30 for the senate, 35 for the presidency. >> sure. >> when i showed strom thurman in his late 90s, to that era would sound like i think 200 today. how about that they put in min but not max? >> well, i think what happens is, this is also with some tv journalists as well, not on this program, that some people like these jobs so much in congress that they hang on. strom thurman hung on until the age of 101, believe it or not. he was enjoying himself all the way. at that point i think he barely knew who he was and his senate office was being run by a chief

of staff. >> yeah, which goes to issues of political accountability if he's casting war votes. >> right. >> but he's not even literally accountable if somebody else is doing it. it becomes a whole different thing. as for the talk of new leadership, we do hear about that. we took pains between age and experience. someone may be a new member of congress rather than saying the only people who ever have the ability to run committees have been there for 30 years. i worked briefly in congress before law school. >> i know that. >> it didn't strike me at the time nor having now covered it for a while that the people who have been there the longest, i don't care what party they're in, that the people who have been there 30, 40 years and all that time with the lobbyists, power games, they didn't strike me as always as independent as the people who came right in and said, hey, i'm going to try to shake things up. >> sure. >> i'm going to play with you some of the talk about new

leadership. take a listen. >> i've always felt it's important to be part of opening those doors, creating opportunities and passing the torch. >> frankly, it's time for a new generation of leaders. they're the ones that need to make the decisions that will shape the world they will be living in. >> we covered the rules. you and i discussed the constitution but you also in your early breakdown discussed the washingtonian tradition. >> right. >> is there any role here for culture, norms, what we call on people to do to also be a part of reform? >> it should be. what was the american revolution? it was against old elites in england. king george later went out of his mind. i'm going to leave that right out there. but the point is that americans were saying, you need to change the elite all the time so that it keeps in touch with changes

in the society, what younger people were thinking, but at the same time took advantage of wise elders so that when george washington went back to mount vernon he wasn't incommunicado. he said, i'm going to retire to my vine and fig tree but i will always be available for advice. >> and a little time under the tree could be good. >> right, i think for everyone. >> rather than fighting with politicians until your last day. >> right. right. >> michael, i so appreciate you giving us, again, more ways to think about this. it is a difficult issue. we do want to think about it and do it respectfully. >> it is. it is. >> it is something on the minds of so many people right now. thank you, sir. >> it is. thank you. i love what you said. >> appreciate it. our friend, historian michael beshloss. >> we have "stranger things" brett gelman. we'll try to end the week in

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story that we've reported on before but now has a very different ending. an appeals court has finally overturned the excessive prison sentence for crystal mason. she's a texas woman who was convicted of voting illegally in the 2016 election but she always maintained it was an accident. for that one act mason was sentenced to five years in prison because she cast a provisional ballot. by the way, because it was discovered that ballot was not counted towards the outcome of the race. she has said she did not realize she was legally ineligible to vote because of a prior conviction and a poll worker said you go ahead and vote. mason now has become an advocate for reform and voting rights and these issues. >> my call to action would be, know your rights. don't let being a felon define you from voting. if you're eligible, go out there and vote, you guys. my mom, she carries the voter

registration cards like it's a bible. when you turn 18 in my house, she got them ready for you. if you are eligible to vote being a felon. go vote. our vote is our voice. >> mason's sentence also reflects a much larger racial disparity in cases. we see this on cases large and small. we reported whether you're held without bond before trial. the president, former president trump and many of his indicted allies are roaming free while many other black, brown, poor people are in jail. she has become a symbol of the double standard. to look specifically at voting cases, this week there was a finding that a georgia republican official, some sort of political elite, who had claimed the 2020 election by donald trump, when he lost, he had lied about that, was actually committing voter fraud himself illegally voting nine

times. he was on pritchard for felony forgery charges. it would seem lies are a bit of a theme here but unlike ms. mason who had her whole life turned upside down with that five year sentence he was let off with a fine and a kind of public rebuke. certainly not years in prison. now there is so much projection that goes on here where it is the criminals calling other people felons. it is the election loser saying the people who won actually secretly lost. it's some conspiracy you need to learn about on the corner of the internet. here he was lying about that election loss in 2020. >> do not believe 81 million people voted for this guy. allowing the election fraud, stealing the election, rigging it, ballot harvesting, all of

the above. >> why would some people be so fixated on the idea that there is rampant illegal voting going on? if you know anything about voting and campaigns from ever being a part of one or being a poll worker or reading them or covering them as we do, you may know that it would take many tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes to swing most elections. the margins are usually at that level. and if you did it by individually recruiting people to partake in that, you'd have to find tens of thousands of people to commit that kind of coordinated conspiracy. and even large mafia organizations don't hit that level. it just doesn't happen that way. but the people who have this on the vine or keep accusing everyone else of it, we should note in florida, in the villages, you had a conservative strong hold where four people did try to vote twice, meaning they're in a community that keeps talking about voter fraud because that's part of the

election talking points of republicans and it's conservatives that end up doing that. these four individuals received only probation, not what ms. mason received. all of this comes against voter suppression efforts as well. the washington post found these crackdowns target minorities and democrats usually by republican officials who are trying to distort who gets to vote. now that's not always directly criminal but it certainly is unfair. the post reporting that black and hispanic people making up 75% of republicans in a push by republicans to prosecute election cheating. they want to purge the voting rules of people who are not misidentified but often on a partisan basis. tonight a sliver of change is that ms. mason, who was so woefully over punished compared to the democrats in conservative areas or, yes, white defendants, ms. mason has finally been exonerated. but the larger issues are

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and look who's here. we have the acclaimed actor and comedian, you probably recognize, brett gellman from "stranger things" to "flee back" and larry david's "curb your enthusiasm." i'm talking a full on russian invasion here hawkins. i tried to kiss your sister on your birthday. >> my birthday? >> fine, i mixed up birthdays. >> you went outside the lines. you're taking up two spaces. >> what are you doing? >> drinking. >> vodka. >> yes, with vodka. >> you're calling me a pig? >> a pig parker. >> hey, you know what? have a real nice day. >> i will. am' sure you will, too, at everyone else's expense. >> she probably won't wear clothes. she scares me. >> brett has a new book out "the terrifying realm of the possible nearly true stories." we have another writer who

writes true stories nearly all the time. eugene daniels. he writes the influential playbook. vice president of the white house correspondent's association. he's reported on the capitol hill, white house and interviewed many national figures, including look at him right here, with kamala harris rocking the white blazer. we love that. you played college football at colorado state. the list goes on. welcome to both of you. how are you doing, brett? >> hey, i'm all right. how are you doing, ari? how are you doing, eugene? great to see you. >> how are you doing, eugene? >> i'm good. thanks for having me. i didn't get a video montage but i'll take the rundown of the resume just as well. >> very washington. >> brett, do you want to know why eugene didn't get a video morn tage? >> why is that, ari? >> he has not been in as many iconic projects as you. i don't say that critically, it's just a fact. >> well, you know, i mean, maybe

not in iconic tv shows but no less iconic. >> the writing. >> share my -- exactly. you should have shown clips of his writing. you should have shown screen grabs of like your favorite paragraphs that eugene has written. >> i've got to tell you something. we've been doing this for a minute. no one's ever suggested screen grabs of the text. here's an article, ten pages, another ten pages. we could have done that. >> that's the thing. i am an innovate tore. i'm an innovative artist. i think people would really go for it. really go for it. >> i love it. >> everybody loves a good screen grab. >> well, look, here's how we're going to do this. it's very easy. brett, we've watched you for years. i'm excited to get your picks. eugene's a regular. we'll make eugene go first. what's on your fall back list?

>> i'm a very nervous flyer. i always have been. i say the same prayer so first when i need to fall back is all of these real life nightmare situations, the boeing plane specifically. flames coming out of the engines, doors flying off the hinges. tires popping off after take offand what's interesting is people are changing, calling to change their flights from a boeing plane to literally anything else they can get on on the planet. the good news for people out there like me, the chances are super slim that this stuff is going to happen, especially tha the sky or something like that, but, but, it gives that nightmare feel you don't need when you get on a plane. what's not going to make people feel better is this nbc news story that was on that boeing did not comment when they were

asked whether or not people are changing their flights. that is concerning. no comment on that one is not a good look. >> yeah, well, i'm curious what brett will think. i want to say, eugene, we're for plane safety, and your feelings are valid. you know your feelings are valid here. but it is also -- it's also statistically true, brett, and i feel as the journalist duty bound to mention this as people watch on a friday night, maybe going traveling soon, you're still in more danger of an accident on the ride over to the airport than in the plane. do you have a view on this, brett? >> no, i mean, that's true. and that's why i'm in a constant state of anxiety as soon as i leave the house. whether i'm on the road or in the air, it's all a nightmare. it's terrible. i mean, i'm flying on sunday,

and you know, i'm not excited about this news. and i'm also not excited, ari, for you reminding me about the dangers of the trip to the airport. >> well, maybe i just added to it. >> you did. >> brett, what's on your fallback list? >> my fallback list, well, 7-eleven is going to start selling a hotdog flavored soda. a soda that tastes the same, apparently, as its famous hotdog. which i don't think i have ever tasted before because i don't know about you, but whenever i walked into a 7-eleven, the last thing i would ever want to eat was one of their hotdogs. i think i would rather lick the 7-eleven toilet than eat one of those hotdogs. however, i'm very interested, very interested in a hotdog

flavored soda. this is one of those things where, wow, of all the things that we could devote spending time on, this is what they chose. and i don't know if i deeply respect that and am inspired by that or deeply depressed by it. >> brett, first of all, i appreciate you bringing the big topics to the table. >> very. >> second, you know, have we run -- have we run out of flavors for liquids when this food product which is a solid, i think that's your first issue, it's a solid and savory item, is now being offered as liquid, and i guess sometimes i ask the obvious question, brett. that's part of my job. do you get this with the hotdog? is the target audience someone who eats the hotdog and wants to wash it down with a liquid hotdog, or am i overthinking it? >> that would be the most

sensical way of doing it. that's the one way in which i'm like,ia get double hotdog. if you really love the 7-eleven hotdog, then you get the liquid hotdog and you're double fisting the taste that you like there. but yeah. i definitely think that there's more flavors to cover. i mean, certainly, there's like, i'm sure there is some fruit flavors that 7-eleven hasn't explored yet. >> yeah, exotic fruit. >> yeah. but maybe if your imagination goes to hotdog flavored soda, maybe you're not thinking about fruit that much. maybe fruit is not part of your dietary plan. i don't know. >> eugene. >> i mean, what's funny, you and i are here, which means you need to get me in one of your iconic tv shows. i will say, i love seltzer water. all day every day.

i love a new york city hotdog that sits in the hotdog water all day long, but sometimes two rights make a very wrong wrong. so don't talk about hotdogs the rest, what else i'll add, i'm cheating a little bit here, ari, is anyone who has anything to say about beyonce's new album, cowboy carter, because it's out. if you haven't listened, do that. that's all i'm doing the rest of the weekend. >> it is a big day. a big day there for sure. brett, i have 30 seconds left. how did you get into character to be the type of person that would annoy larry in curb when you had that interaction? >> well, actually, in rehearsal, i parked the car, the whole bit is i parked the car outside the line. in rehearsal, i parked it perfectly inside of the line, and that annoyed larry very much. so we sort of experienced the real annoyance in rehearsal that we then acted while we were

shooting. >> interesting. so yeah, not method. you get larry a little under his skin. i love that. this is unlike any other segment in a while. so i want to say thanks to brett gelman, check out his book and shows. eugene daniels, thanks to both of you. we'll be right back. social pos. in minutes! -how? -a.i. (impressed) ay i like it! who wants to come see the future?! get your business online in minutes with godaddy airo

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