leaders discuss rafah and the president reiterated his clear position. we know of the past several weeks there has been a bit of distance between the biden administration and israeli prime minister's office on how israel should be executing its plan in rafah. the israelis have said they have made all the preparations and are ready to go after hamas inside rafah. we also know there are more than 1 million refugees. palestinians which have been placed into that space. israelis have said they are prepared to evacuate them as well. we know secretary of state tony blinken is in the air right now, on his way to saudi arabia where he will discuss several issues. he also plans to talk about israel's military operations as they relate to rafah. i want you to hear what the national security council spokesman john kirby have to say about that.

>> we have to have a better understanding from the israelis about what they want to do. we have had several staff talks with them. we intend to do that more. they have assured us they were not going to rafah until we have had a chance to share our concerns with them.>> reporter: there have been working level conversations between the israelis and the biden administration over the last several weeks about the administration's concerns and thoughts about what israel could do differently in rafah. we are still waiting to hear, alex, exactly whether the u.s. recommendations are being taken to heart and will be used in rafah to try to mitigate some of the death we've been saying in gaza over the last 6-7 months. the donald trump trial through the eyes of a former insider, sarah matthews. she gives me her take on her testimony in our next hour. hou

very good day to all of you. now to donald trump busy week ahead in the hussman trial. there is no hearing on monday. trent will be back in the defendant's chair tuesday. no hearing wednesday so trout will campaign in wisconsin and michigan and be back in court thursday for his second contempt hearing on alleged gag order violations. the trial continues on friday. here is a look at potential witnesses we get the this week. we have michael cohen, stormy daniels, karen mcdougal and hope hicks. also, unwavering support from a staunch political ally for tron. >> if he is convicted you will still support him and vote for him? >> absolutely. i think what is going on with donald trump's weaponization of the law. he's being prosecuted in manhattan, one of the deepest blue cities in the country.

>> we have reported as an analyst in place covering all these new developments. jake, where will things pick up when the trial starts again on tuesday? >> tuesday is going to kick off the third week of this criminal hussman trial for former president donald trump. this is the first time we are going to see this tight rope walk. the first time he's going to have a rally since he started this trial. it is going to be an otter week ink terms of -- in terms of corn in session. on wednesday he will head to michigan and also wisconsin. these are states trump won in 2016 and then lost about it in 2020. they will be pivotal states for both trump and biden to get electoral victory come this november. we are actually talking court this week a couple things we are looking for. one, we are going to see that witness list grow.

we are also going to be keyed into the gag order hearing on thursday to see if the former president has been violating it all along. trumps downtime this week in florida, i want to move to quickly reporting. the washington post original reporting donald trump and ron desantis met this sunday morning. nbc news is also able to confirm that. the meeting was an attempt to bury the hatchet and talk fundraising. old campaign rivals that are potentially, you know, shaking hands and moving along. we have a look ahead to this wizard to see how the former president attempts to battle talking about the issues that matter, emigration and the economy and how he's going to talk about these court cases for the first time in a campaign rally since all this started. >> that news, did that happen in mar-a-lago? that was this morning?

>> reporter: i do not know the exact specifics, i do know it did take place in florida this sunday morning. again, an attempt to bury the hatchet and to begin talk fundraising. we haven't seen these two together in quite some time. a pretty significant moment. >> there was no mention in the article of them vice presidential questions or any discussion of that? i don't want to put that out if it wasn't discussed, i'm just asking. >> i think to the extent of vice president circulation that was not something ronna or discussed. what we do know is there has been somewhat publicly contentious relationship between the two. this seems to be the first truce of some kind between them and we are learning more at this moment as well. let's bring in the former assistant district attorney in manhattan and now msnbc legal

analyst. and the former finical -- federal prosecutor and host of the podcast: it's complicated. really? you don't say. another potentially wild week ahead with tropical court then out on the campaign trail then back in court what could possibly go wrong? how do you see this week shaking out? >> it is a short week because tomorrow court is off. i think the prosecutors are very happy about how last week went. if there is a guilty verdict it can be traced back to david testimony. he provided them what they needed. he said he did what he did to help the presidential campaign. he was the eyes and ears for the campaign and also the jury to the conspiracy by unlawful

means. still have a lot more witnesses to go. so far the witness has been what the prosecutors have needed. particularly the banker who will be coming back and be cross examined for michael cohen. he establishes $130,000 michael cohen got from the bank and then it was wired to the lawyer of stormy daniels. the former executive existed, anyone knows who is coming to see you here if they know who is calling you and they know what your contacts are. she established karen mcdougal and stormy daniels were in donald trump's contacts. stormy daniels visited the trump organization. as trump said he doesn't know i never met jean carol, he won't be able to say that. his trusted executive assistant has confirmed he has some type of relationship with those two women. it was a good week for the prosecutor. it was also good for the defense. i can say they use the

executive assistant sort of like a character witness. she was my bias. she was clearly loyal to him. work for him for years. he treated her well. they didn't really touch her. they just wanted to bring that out for the jury. so far it has been good for the prosecution. it is not over yet. 2 for sure. the potential witness list is intriguing. to the point while the trial resumes tuesday michael cohen's lawyer will be on the stand. it feels like the first few witnesses went by quickly. do you expect ross acute to slow things out at all? >> no. i think some of these meaty witnesses in the middle of the case like michael cohen, stormy daniels, of course that will have lengthy testimony. they had essential delightful trial, were central to the story. but there is also potential cross-examination. we know the defense is going to take a long time cross-

examining michael cohen. they are going to go at him very hard. that is why the prosecutors are putting that in the middle of the case. we just had a good discussion about how the first week and the first initial witnesses went for the prosecution. you always want to start on a high note. you want to start on a solid note with witnesses are not going to get heavily attacked. the prosecution did that. >> catherine, if you were involved which witness would you bring on next? how much space do prosecutors need between a really strong witness and the next big name? >> i will not save michael cohen for last. i do not want him to be the last site the jersey. he may be a wonderful witness, but he does have lots of baggage. unlike david pecker, he owned himself. he was authentic with his sleaziness. with the fact he and the

national enquirer line, but he did not show bias or hostility toward donald trump. michael cohen is hostile toward donald trump. he cannot hide it. that will come out. i will move him up sooner. he has said he is not want to be tweeted until after he testified and i will see you in a month. it leads me to think he's not going to be on so quickly. m.i.c. hope hicks. you might see other people, the people who are just there to establish documents and move those into evidence. >> we know donald trump is preparing for a second contempt hearing over the alleged gag order violation. the first one was heated with a stern warning for failure to offer fax in trump's defense. then you have presented nothing. you are losing all credibility with the court, which is pretty stinking. what do you expect on thursday?

>> i really think this judge is trying to hold this over the head of trump and his attorneys. there is a damning image. i think that is sort of what the judge is doing here. he knows if he rules and imposes a $1000 fine or something that is not extremely harsh, it almost diminishes his power. he knows that ultimately trumps attorneys want to be able to ask questions that they would like. they want to make sure they are getting the evidentiary rulings that they want. they are perhaps going to be able to put some pressure on trump to say look, we need the judge to be happy. he is very unhappy right now. we need you to knock it off. i think that is what the judge is doing, using that as leverage to try to keep trumps attorneys to keep him in line. >> here we are week three of trump having to show up and sit quietly in court.

the washington post quotes a source saying the phrase around here is the process is the punishment. do you think that is part of the prosecution strategy? >> well, it is any defendant on trial it's a horrible experience. particularly for former president trump, someone who is a micromanager, according to david pecker and used to being in control. it is a horrible experience because he cannot go anywhere. he keeps calling the court room cold. i practice in that building for 30 years. they are either too hot or too cold and that is for everyone. he is not the only one being punished. yes, i agree. i do not think that is the prosecution strategy. that's just the way it is. for him it is considered punishment. >> big picture, rinaldo, do you think some sense of

accountability is there for donald trump, given everything in his legal spear that is going on? >> i personally think some measure of accountability is here for donald trump. i do not think he wants to be sitting in a cold courtroom. i do not think he is enjoying this experience. i think he feels humiliated. he is being ordered around by a judge referring to him as mr. trump and telling him what to do. i think there is already some measure of accountability. with that said this may be the only trial that goes forward before the election that is looking increasingly likely. do i think there is likely a conviction here? yes, i do. obviously that is not the only piece of this that i think has an impact on donald trump. >> absolutely. good to see you both. thank you so much. sarah matthews joins me in the next half hour to give her take on the courtroom drama and

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university students arrested for colleges and some campuses have moved to shut down pro- palestinian encampments. clashes have been breaking out. what is the scene like there? >> reporter: alex, a totally different theme from what we saw yesterday. tensions here are bubbling. behind us i want to point you to what is happening. you have two sides facing off, all palestinian demonstrators as well as pro is really demonstrators. there was a scheduled rally organized here with ucla. before the rally was scheduled to start a group of nearly 200- 300 people marched in, demonstrators that is for the pro-palestinian students. we have seen them class. a lot of pushing and shoving. nothing too serious. both sides want their messages

hard. we see is riley's life, palestinian flags, and american flags. over on this site we have a young student holding a fine. if you swing over you can see it says route jew. proud israeli. this is the soundtrack. people chanting them home, bring them home! over on the other side there is a loudspeaker. that speaker was brought in this morning by the pro-israeli processors. they set up a stage. this is where they are having their rally. those speakers eventually silencing the demonstrators who haven't camped here since thursday. it was getting loud here. we are going to send it back to you. end the end of the day -- adrian, unfortunately those

people with the megaphone are not getting the message across. if there is any way you can step slightly to the side and away from them, i would love to hear more about the breakdown right now on the ucla campus. i know there is much larger jewish representation support today than what we saw yesterday. give me a sense of that right now.>> reporter: you notice how you asked me to step away. we've been doing that throughout the morning. they follow us. they get right up close to us. we have said if you want your message heard we need to speak with you one at a time. i spoke with a young student who was about 50 years old just a moment ago. i asked to get that what you are doing here today will make a difference? her message to me was we will see what happens in history, but we've already made a difference. difference.

the tone here has already shifted. do you guys want to talk? i cannot get your message across what you are yelling at me. in one word what do you want to happen and why are you here? >> we want the hostages home.>> reporter: do you think what you are doing will make a difference? we are live on msnbc right now. do you think this protest will make a difference? >> of course, my dear. on october 7 they kidnapped and attacked israel. they kidnapped babies, old people, women. they write them. they killed them. they cut their heads, they cut their bodies. all of them are here supporting hamas and the terrorists.>> reporter: i hate to cut you off, but that is the sincere. everyone wants her message

heard. back to you. >> adrian, you are doing an excellent job as well as her cameraman. very trying times. thank you so much. at lease four people have been killed in another round of devastating tornadoes across the midwest and the plane stays overnight. the deaths all happen in the hardest hit state of oklahoma. here is the governor just moments ago on the incredible damage he has seen. >> definitely the most damage since i have been governor. i've been around the state for, this is my sixth year, but what i saw downtown is unbelievable. >> more from sulfur, oklahoma.>> reporter: if you turn over this way you can see on the other side of this do

not cross police tape, piles of rubble. many of these are businesses. the one just over there in that direction, we have seen crews actively searching and sifting through. we did not learn until just recently they were searching for a person. unfortunately that person found dead. the governor confirming four fatalities within the last 24 hours. over the course of two days we have seen an outbreak across the region. roughly 37 reports across different states. the majority in oklahoma and happening at night, which is unfortunately the most vital type, as we have seen last night not to fear in sulfur, but also holding bill. we know they had a couple of the tallies. a really fast situation. people walking around in shock. i have spoken to business owners looking at what is left of their business. if we could take a moment to look at the business behind me.

i had a chance to speak to the owner. he had tears in his eyes as he was explaining to me this was his life's work and he was excited to pass it down to his son. he along with so many others reiterating the fact they are just grateful to be alive. so many people sharing their own stories. one man talking about how he had to rescue his neighbors and pull a tree branch off of the storm cellar they were trapped inside of. that is where they whether this tornado. in terms of the intensity, that is something the national weather service teams are actually going to be looking at. the governor says early assessments indicate it could've been an ef-4. of course those are things that will take time to confirm. thank you for that. why is it so hard to get to the bottom of a mysterious illness that has afflicted government officials next. afflicted gove officials next. it gets three jobs done at once - kills weeds. prevents crabgrass. and keeps it growing strong. download the my lawn app today for lawn care tips and customized plans. feed your lawn. feed it.

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are on alert because of terrorist attacks that could take place on u.s. soil. >> i am hard-pressed to come up with a time where i have seen so many different threads all elevated, all that the same time. post october 7 it has gone to another level. our most immediate concern has been the conflict in the middle east, hamas is a terrific -- horrific attacks will serve as some indication for lone actors in small groups here in the united states. >> fbi director christopher wray think officials are increasingly concerned of a coordinated attack similar to last month's russian concert hall massacre. this was by isis k and killed 144 people. joining me now is our msnbc

analyst. as i welcome you security officials are warning of a growing threat from foreign terrorism including the islamic state and al qaeda who have both renew calls for attacks against jewish communities in the u.s. and elsewhere. wray says these terrorists are using mafia -like tactics to plan correlated attacks. what does that mean and how vulnerable is the u.s.? >> i think there is certainly significant concern amongst law enforcement and intelligence agencies. we have to look at attacks not only against u.s. interests abroad, but also in the homeland. i think back to 1996. i was in the counterterrorism center. at that time we were focus on hamas fundraising networks. there were cells all across the country. i think the worry amongst our national security officials is with a then operationalize this? with a take a cell that was

just raising money, but perhaps now use that to conduct terrorist attacks? the joint terrorism task forces across the country are certainly on high alert. we are not a neutral party. if the americans were killed, six americans remain hostage. the u.s. is certainly supplying israel with us -- intelligence and ornaments. this is a concern. i think directors wray is 100% right. >> how concerned are you? your speaking,, but a lot of people are thinking what? >> this is where we have to rely on good old-fashioned investigative police intelligence work. we do have an array of these joint terrorism task force is made up of federal and local law enforcement with the intelligence community as well. and then of course we have to rely on our partnerships overseas. we have to be able to track

terrorists if they are going to be able to do us harm. the big concern is what we call lone wolf attacks. that someone who has radicalized, even online. the middle east is mf, the u.s. is involved and this is what comes with the territory, unfortunately. >> this week video was released showing three of those people being held in gaza by hamas. two just yesterday. what do you think this indicates in terms of cease- fire negotiations? >> it is really interesting. i think this is the last gasp. hamas is certainly under pressure from the egyptians. i think the egyptians are play a useful role. in some ways this is psychological warfare. it was really tough to see. there is a deal on the table. i think israel moved the ball quite a bit. the question is can the head of hamas actually agree? the egyptians are putting pressure on them.

i think we are expecting an answer over the next 48 hours. i think that will depend on whether or not israel goes to this operation in rafah. there is a lot at stake over the next week in the region. >> let me ask you something different. i know you will be interested. last week a bipartisan group of senators sent a letter to president biden calling for a renewed assessment of havana syndrome. that is the mysterious illness that has afflicted u.s. officials overseas, including you, mark. a recent investigation found sonic weapons and -- are likely responsible for causing the illness. u.s. agencies concluded it was very unlikely a foreign adversary was responsible. what was your reaction when you heard, when you read this new report? why is it so challenging to get to the bottom of this? >> i think there is a lot of indication for myself and other

officials. something happened to us and we have been very forceful in saying that in public. we saw 60 minutes, the new york times of germany and an outfit called the insider run by a legendary investigative journalist. what they found was data. through sophisticated hacking and some technical means they found russian intelligence operatives were in the vicinity of some of these attacks. i think what senator warner and senator rubio were asking president biden was low, have an open mind and reopen the investigation. particularly you have a guy who is the defense intelligence agency lead on this investigation. he is retired now. he even came out and says he thinks the russians were involved. a victim standpoint we want the u.s. to have an open mind. to take another look at this. i think we deserve that. i would love to see congressional action. this is the power of journalism

and congressional oversight. >> how is it that the intelligence agencies have previously made the statement it was unlikely a foreign group was responsible for the help on the syndrome? now a year later they are singing a different tune. >> for sure. i think we have to take a look at their methodologies. there is a congressional investigation into this. why would they be so insistent on saying there is nothing there? if it is true it is an act of war by russia. there are a lot of people in the u.s. government who really believe something should be done to further investigate this. as i look back at things such as gulf war syndrome, even burn pits during the iraq and afghanistan war where u.s. military members were affected, the u.s. government said nothing and later on found it was true. it took us 10 minutes -- years. the victims of this deserve it. and former trump insider

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more now on the week ahead for donald trump in his hush money trial, with a wide array of witnesses still to come. among them michael cohen and hope hicks, two former members of trump's inner circle. i want to go now to sarah matthews. sarah, nice to see you again. you were part of trump's 2020 campaign. did trump's alleged affairs resurface at all during that campaign? was there any guidance on how to address them if they did come up? >> no, that wasn't anything that came up during my time on the 2020 campaign or during my time when i switched over to the white house later that year. i have no insight into that whatsoever. >> what do you make of the idea

hope hicks and sarah sanders, while in the white house, might have been part of a strategy, that phone call alleged by david pecker to decide how to handle karen mcdougal? just two white house staffers being involved is the question? >> when i was working in the white house press shop this would be something that i would categorize as unethical behavior. to think that two employees of the white house whose salaries are being paid by taxpayer dollars are in cahoots with a media outlet to try to cover up an affair and involved in a hush money payment scheme, and that they had knowledge of this is definitely quite concerning. >> how about hope hicks, do you expect her to play a pivotal role if she is called to testify? do you expect her testimony will be that similar of rona graff, a longtime executive

assistant for donald trump. what you think you expect from home? >> i'm going to be curious to see how her testimony shakes out. this is someone who was extremely close with donald trump, with him from the beginning until the end of his administration. i do think it has been reported they are not as close as they once were or in as much communication. it is hard to imagine she would be disloyal, given how close they were. i am curious if her testimony will be more so what we have seen from some other trump officials in these types of cases where they do not recall the facts and they kind of lien on that line when asked about certain things. i am hopeful if she does end up testify that she is honest and transparent with the jury. >> your echoing what anthony

scaramucci told me yesterday. that he thinks she is a lovely girl and he's always had a lot of respect for her. her attorneys have said look, you are under oath. you must tell the truth. you don't think maybe her heart will want to be disloyal against donald trump, but ultimately what will way out is telling the truth present some damning evidence in court? what do you expect from her? >> hope was not someone i was necessarily close with during my time on the campaign or at the white house. i think it is really difficult to go against trump and against maga world. i am someone who has been through it. i once felt a sense of loyalty to the former president. he was my former boss. i can imagine how hard it is and what she must be going through. as you mentioned, she's also

probably hearing from her lawyers she does not want to perjure herself. it was my host -- hope that she will be honest and truthful. >> what about trump? the washington post saying despite the efforts to schedule dinners with donors, friends and world leaders his moods are worse on trial days. they say he is accustomed to nearly daily rounds of golf, constant stimulation, and shears with the enters and exits the room in mar-a-lago. how do you, sarah, and he is reacting behind closed doors? >> i think he is showing us in the public when he does these little press conferences outside of the courthouse. he complains about how cold he is in the air conditioning. he says he thinks they are doing it on purpose. he complains about having to sit up straight for several hours. he is upset and frustrated he

is not in control. in this courtroom he is being treated like any other american would be during the legal process. he cannot grapple with that. it frustrates him. i think it makes sense that he is having these mood strings. it is something that i mentioned at the white house, how his mood could switch on a moments notice. it doesn't necessarily surprise me. also that his team is trying to get him to do these dinners and fundraisers. that will be a good use of his time. obviously he is off the campaign trail when he is in the courtroom, but he still could be doing things in the evening. it doesn't necessarily surprise me he does not feel in the mood to necessarily do that. it flies in the face of what he is complaining about when he says because he is having to, you know, go to the courthouse and be on trial. it takes away from his ability to campaign. it doesn't seem like he is all that interested in campaigning

when the one day he had off last week he's been golfing at bedminster. >> left pivot to what you did, very courageously testify before the january 6th committee. i am curious on your thoughts about how the supreme court hearings on presidential community played out? republican justices who chose to ignore the actual conduct on january 6th that donald trump wants immunity for? >> it was very disheartening to see how those arguments played out. what we can interpret so far is it seems like this is going to be delay. it seems like donald trump is going to catch another break and they are probably going to send this back to the lower court to try to decide between what is official and unofficial acts. it is really frustrating. i think on all of the cases, this is the most crucial. the charges that he is facing

are the most severe. i believe this is something voters need to know before heading into the ballot box for 2024. voters should know whether or not the republican candidate for 2024 try to steal an election in 2020. i was discouraged to hear what was coming out of the court. i am hopeful that maybe that will not be the case. it seems like this will get delayed further. >> i appreciate the word discouraged that you are using. if i were in your shoes given what you went through, you risk a lot to testify. you entered a lot. there was a lot of backlash. would you feel betrayed if the supreme court does what you suggested they do and what it appears that they may do, given everything that you have sacrificed, is the trail

something that you feel? >> i would say there is definitely a little bit of a sense of betrayal. i cannot wrest it solely at the feet of the supreme court. i think multiple factors lead us to be in the situation we are at today. i look back and think this all could have been of what it has to republicans have the courage to convict and disqualify donald trump in the aftermath of january 6th. we wouldn't even be dealing with this. unfortunately that didn't happen. then i look at someone like merrick garland who dragged his feet and appointing a special counsel. he really only did so when he felt the pressure on the january 6th congressional committee and all the work they were doing. maybe if he had appointed a special counsel sooner than we wouldn't be running up against this timeline where this case might not be her before the 2024 election. obviously there is what is going on with the supreme court and the decision they may ultimately make to delay this further. there are, i think, multiple things that i look back on and i am just frustrated with the

process. like you said, i certainly sacrificed a lot. it is not just about me. other witnesses also went before the january 6th committee to share what they went through and their stories and based security risks and, you know, difficulties with landing jobs or being able to leave their houses. it just makes me really sad to think this case might not be heard. i am really thankful that we had the january 6th congressional hearings and they shed light on some of this. >> sarah matthews, i always appreciate speaking with you. your candor, your experience that you are able to share and live through again. thank you so much. new reaction to breaking news about a phone call between president biden and israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. benjamin netanyahu.

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israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu today. in a statement the white house said the president reaffirmed his ironclad support to israel. the leaders discussed rafah and the president reiterated his clear position. joining me now greg casar, the whip for the progressive caucus. what did you hope came out of that conversation? what message do you hope president biden since the benjamin netanyahu? >> across the progressive caucus people have different tactics and ideas on how we can get to peace. they are united around the idea of the killing visa stop and hostages need to be returned, but that we cannot have the indiscriminate killing of innocent palestinians. an invasion of rafah we know would be so much more devastating. you have 1 million+ refugees in

that area and it is supposed to be a safe place for innocent families to be. in my view, just my personal view, we need president biden to draw randomized and really push much harder than he has on prime minister netanyahu. i think it is truly in the american interest, of course we want safety for israeli and palestinians alike, but for the american interest for this war to not escalate further. we do not need a continued regional war or even worse refugee crisis in the middle east. >> nd. i want to talk about the pro- palestinian protesting we have seen throughout the country. i know you visited the university of texas in austin this week in support of protesters, after 57 people were arrested for failure to

disperse. what was your message to them and though still protesting across the country? >> of the dozens of people who were arrested from the university of texas at austin, prosecutors have dropped all of the charges, saying they did not meet the minimum threshold of probable cause for the arrest. they were actually protesting, counter protest, people peacefully assembled on multiple sides of the issue. they should all have their rights respected. we should remember young people so often other coaches of this country. just as people protested at the university of texas at austin during the vietnam war or the iraq war it is important to hear their voices and not be sending riot police with shields and weapons to treat them as enemies. we should really be listening to our students and young people, and protecting the first amendment for everyone, whether you agree with their views or not. >> i want to tell everyone what we are seeing. we are seeing pro-palestinian

and pro-israeli folks face-to- face there in los angeles. let me ask you about some jewish leaders in congress accusing the biden administration of taking a somewhat lax approach to responding to anti-semitic incidents on campus. you have the new jersey democrat who sent a letter thursday to the education secretary miguel cardona objecting to the delay conclusions and lack of resources allocated to these investigations. does the administration need to do more to address the anti- semitic concerns? >> we should always condemn anti-semitism, racism,, phobia and racism in all of its forms. that should be addressed. i think it is so important to highlight. i will speak to the university of texas at austin protests,

many core organizations calling for peace in gaza are jewish organizations and jewish young students themselves. it is so important you're saying people of all faiths and backgrounds talking about how we have to protect life. whether you are muslim or jewish, israeli or palestinian, israeli -- believer or nonbeliever, your life is worth protecting. i think those are the people at the core of these movements. those people driven by hate are not a part of this peace movement. i think the overwhelming majority, every student and faculty member that i spoke to on any side of the issue, i think, is really looking for getting some peace. in my view to get the piece we have to get to a cease-fire, return those hostages and stop the collective punishment we see from the netanyahu regime against innocent families. >> we are going to keep all

this in mind and have you back when we can. we have seen the breaking news today, particularly the protest we are watching. these are live pictures and you see things getting a little heated. pushing and shoving. not the way that it was yesterday. the temperature picking up over the last 24 hours. thank you so much. we will speak with you again. questions and answers after an fda report on bird flu and dairy products. dairy products. i was sad. colton: i was diagnosed with rhabdomyosarcoma. brett: once we got the first initial hit, it was just straight tears, sickness in your stomach, just don't want to get up out of bed. joe: there's always that saying, well, you've got to look on the bright side of things. tell me what the bright side of childhood cancer is. lakesha: it's a long road. it's hard. but saint jude has gotten us through it.

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and member of president joe biden's covert advisory board. thank you for being here. the fda says pasteurization eliminates bird flu. why do you doubt the fda conclusion? >> thank you for having me on. i want to preface anything by saying this is a very dynamic and rapidly evolving situation. there are many more questions than answers right now. the data we have and acting on is very limited. it can change tomorrow. we have to be able to respond to that science as it becomes available. i was the first to call out the concern about this avian influenza virus in the milk supply will we first heard about this outbreak in early april. it was concerning to me there was first of all no one checking the milk or the food supply for it to contain this highly pathogenic virus. now that the fda has started some limited studies and is reassuring the data to date shows the pasteurization can

inactivate as far as in milk. i do want to caution that is a snapshot in time. as this outbreak continues to spread there can be more virus in the milk supply and it can eventually challenge our pasteurization process. the fda needs to continue to do the studies and be transparent with the data as they find it. >> you have been studying bird flu for 20 years. you obviously think people can contract it through drinking milk. how high are the chances? >> i have been studying this virus since they first transferred from animals, birds, particular to humans in 1997. all angles of the transmissibility, vaccine, antiviral and diagnostic development. i have great concern when i see this virus in so many domestic

mammals that have constant contact with people. previously we have never had a situation where so many mammals were in constant contact with humans. the risk has increased, especially for dairy workers and those in that situation. what we are seeing now in terms of ingesting milk and its potential for infection, if there was infectious virus, which there is great potential if you are drinking rum milk today from one of these farms. we have seen people infected with viruses die when they have ingested this, even or handled a bird that had this virus. we are seeing very unusual patterns of cats that are drinking milk now from these dairy farms that have neurological signs and they died. these are early signals that we need to pay attention to. we know these viruses can kill people. we want to make sure we are limiting our exposure and

taking every precaution to make sure we are not at risk. >> in about 15-20 seconds, how concerned are you right now about this becoming a much greater problem? >> right now i am not too concerned about it becoming a big problem rapidly. the virus has not mutated to transmit officially from person to person. we must watch that closely. just a few mutations can make it infectious to people and it could get out of hand very quickly. >> a very sobering conversation, and i think you nonetheless. that is going to do it for me. we will be back next saturday and sunday at 1:00 p.m. eastern. at 1:00 p.m. eastern.