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>> good evening and welcome to "politics nation." the punchlines have been delivered and the punch bowls have been emptied after last night white house correspondents dinner. in washington, returning to the harsh realities of election year politics in 2024. the polls showed the race between president biden and former president trump is tighter than ever and in the coming weeks, the direction of the campaign could be influenced by events played out in new york city but i have returned. on tuesday, former president trump will return to a manhattan courthouse where jurors will hear from witnesses in his hush money case.
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at columbia university, administrators will have to grapple with how to deal with pro-palestinian demonstrators ahead of their upcoming commencement. the decisions they make will be watched closely by other colleges and communities. protests over events in the east have left americans deeply divided. we are joined by a man who will be at the center of all of this week's drama, new york mayor adams, a democrat. mr. mayor, let me start with first of all, thank you for joining us. we want to start tonight with last week's arrest of more than 100 demonstrators at columbia university here in manhattan. as a student on campus protest continued -- continues in gaza, they will not bring nypd back
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on campus again. so for, there have been no arrest this weekend. you have attributed to outside agitators stirring things up. where do things stand between the school, the city, and the students right now? >> it is so important that we are clear. we do not go on college campuses until college administrators asked us to do so and once that request is made, you want to do the minimum amount of force because you're not trying to jeopardize their safety. as of this time, columbia university stated they want to sit down and speak with the students and the other college campuses as well. we are not going to do anything unless the college campuses request such. >> the issue that troubles some of us is the issue of free speech and students having to write the stand up and this
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original demonstrations in terms of dealing with what is going on in gaza. people starving, people that are innocent being harmed, as i was against the attacks on israel on october 7. let's move to the criticism many have made in quizzing including cortez accusing nypd of sending and a controversial police unit which she called a counterterror unit to clear out the colombian encampment. this unit developed a reputation for violence during the george floyd protests, which i was involved in and i have a problem with the union. here in the city, this happened four years ago. last week when several demonstrators were arrested at a rally to end the u.s. funding of israel's military, lisa reports that nypd officer struggled to transport those using new york city buses
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because city bus drivers refuse to do so. it seems to me that have been arrested. i went to the encampment if it was against mentoring yet and yahoo benjamin netanyahu. i think most of the students have said they don't. what is your response to criticism on how this is all being handled? we all want to make sure anti- semitism in violent is not tolerated but are you confident that demonstrated free streets speech rights. i thought they were trump supporters because. i would say yes and eject people that do not want a dialogue. to use forces, these students are not terrorist. >> no, they are not. i say it over and over again. i know what it is to protest.
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>> from the days of the apartheid dismantling two other. >> as a part of many other marches. if two could be abused. we first went in with community affairs officers. to try to communicate with the students and give a substantial amount of time for them to disperse based on what the school stated. when you look at what happened at one school, bottles were thrown, chairs were thrown. our goal is that you don't want to put the lives of the officers were students in jeopardy. you want to use the minimum amount of force and equipment to carry out the execution. >> have said they are not for violence, not for the hate speech. in the late 80s, i left the
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group because they said we do not want rights and rallies anymore. you wanted them to help me to do it. but at the same time, we should stand up for what is right for people in gaza and israel. i just wanted to clear that where we are now. let's turn to the city budget. you have until july 1st to work out a plan with the new york city council. your latest puzzle of reverses cuts to schools, police, fire, and sanitation. controversial cuts to the city's public library's. there is the impact of the migrant crisis on your city which is been an additional strain on the resources. how much of the $112 million budget goes towards that and what do you say to critics when you are given priority to the lease police and social
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services? >> first, i think the real story that is yet to be told is the story of the first african- american woman in the second african-american mayor. we landed two budgets. we would debate on the issues and the topics but then we come together and shake hands to execute a budget. we navigated the city out of covid. we navigated the percent increase in crime when we first took office and we were able to put in place real initiatives that dealt with working-class people. been lost in some of the narratives but hats off to what the speaker adrienne adams and this administration has been able to accomplish. we look at this budget and we were able to look at 191,000 migrants and asylum-seekers. $4 billion in our budget. physical cliffs that the previous administration was funded permanent programs with temporary dollars. we had to look at all of those things to come with a budget. those who state that we put
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public safety or police first, i will take that criticism because we have to be safe. i stated from the time i was rented that running that we want to have a handle on how to keep the city safe. >> in these negotiations around the budget, you are not ruling out taking care of some of what is so far in negotiations, libraries, and others that seem to be cut. adrienne adams. you are saying a lot of this is a process. >> is in the process. when people are doing an analysis of the budget, the only critique they walk away with is how come you guys did not finally deal with the library issue? when you look at all the others use in the city, including the restoration of all the initiatives, while we go into the final negotiation, i will take that critique. we do not decide the library. the library's decided that. we told them they must find
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savings and that was the area they wanted to take savings and. >> you know advocates, going to be advocates. staying with that mayor, as your budget gets examined, a new economic report by the city found that black unemployment decreased from 10.7% to 7.9% since you took office. black new yorkers are 2.4 times more likely to be unemployed than whites from four times more likely in january of 2023. with that in the perspective for non-new yorkers watching because this could be instructive for cities around the country. nice the crisis around black unemployment. people of color in the city. we knew we cannot continue to state in the environment of city hall to solve the problem.
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we went out and did things called hiring halls where we went into the communities and encourage people to look at employment. we also had a look at some of the areas where people had made poor decisions. as young people, they were permanently locked out of employment. we zeroed in on the justice involved youth, foster care children, we looked at all the pathways that fed the sea of unemployment and we said we are going to each one of the rivers. that is when you see the results. we have just started. we are going to turn around the numbers even from 4.7% as well. >> that takes focus on the concentrated efforts. >> this is commendable to what you and the team of clergy leaders pointed out earlier, sometime last year. we were zero focused on it. i think the critique really helped us stay focused on the importance on dealing with lack of employment in our city, which we are facing across the
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nation but we are getting it right here in the city. >> i think a lot of us in the clergy and the civil rights community are very concerned about that, as we continue in gaza. the haiti question that i do not think is talked enough about. before i let you go, mayor, i had the honor of joining in re- baptizing you last month at a good friday ceremony in rikers island. along with the root of incarcerated men, can you talk a little bit about why you chose that setting? you texted me and said you want to get rebaptized but i want to do it rikers island. i do not know that people around the country understood that this was no stunt. why did you want to do this? what did we do? >> i am a child of god. i have been baptized for over 40 years but i could have gone to any church in the city to be rebaptized but i wanted to go to rikers island. i wanted to be among those men, there was a group of men who
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also got baptized that day for the first time. brought me into the movement with the national black united front. many people know our relationship for 30 something years. i thought that being there is not only substitute but symbolism. i wanted those men on rikers island to see that i am them and my imperfections in life does not mean that where they are is who they are and by being there with them, i want young men all across the country who are now that you can be free if you set yourself free mentally. >> you even to the baptism that you had been arrested once young and the mayor of new york. did you want to message to them that don't let certain things in life justified unjustified? many unjustified but don't let it spur you or encourage you towards doing positive things and reaching your inner self and being who you could be.
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>> i say many times many people know my learning disabilities. i tell them i am dyslexic, i was rejected but now i am elected to be the mayor of the most important city on the globe. they, too, can go from where they are who they are. >> i leave it there, thank you very much, mayor eric adams for coming in and doing this in person. joining me now is congressman stephen for democrat of nebraska and chair of. mr. chairman, we appreciate you joining us. let's start with the legal trials and tribulations of donald trump. his hush money trial begins again on tuesday and the supreme court is considering his immunity claims after it held the hearing on the topic at last night's white house correspondent. president biden poked a little fun at trump over his legal troubles. take a listen.
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>> age is an issue. i am a grown man running against a six-year-old. trump speaks was so embarrassing, surrendered again. age is the only thing we have in common. my vice president actually endorses me. donald has had a few tough days lately. you might call it stormy weather. >> funny as it sounds, last night's implication of trump's cases are no joke. what are your thoughts on what you have been seeing? especially on the immunity issue. >> great to be back on your show. the american people are really fatigued with donald trump and his 91 indictments. they are fatigued with the fact
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that he wants to roll back our freedoms, our rights, and our opportunities. they are fatigued because in the last election of 2016, he asked black america what do you have to lose and then he was elected and appointed the most conservative ideologically driven supreme court in history and that supreme court has ruled back rights for women, rights for students to pursue education. now they are trying to take away rights for businesses to have access to capital into establish venture capital funds like. the selection is bigger than donald trump. this needs to be about centering the american people, particularly black america because when we uplift black america, we uplift everybody. nice you heard me ask mayor adams about. tomorrow, vice president harris begins a nationwide economic opportunity to promote the
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administrations ahead of the november election. what can you tell us typically about outreach to black voters as you being the chair of the congressional black caucus? >> first, i am really excited to be joining the vice president and the entire biden- harris administration to kick off this economic opportunity for tomorrow in atlanta, georgia and in other cities and states to come. this is not just a showcase. this is an opportunity for us to have a conversation with the american people about the issues that matter most to them. that is the around economy. building wealth in this country, particularly clothing closing the divide. the fact that a typical white family has a wealth of about $284,000 while a typical black family has about $44,000 of
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wealth. that gap is too stark. that is why the congressional caucus has introduced a plan to build a black wealth agenda with 100% of our members. 60 members. the largest in our history representing the third of the u.s. population that are centered around his shoes issues of homeownership, reducing the cost of rent, expanding opportunities for entrepreneurship in small businesses, creating more training and skills training and education, providing for more fairness in our tax code and of course, making sure that we protect our democracy through voting rights. these are the plans that will help grow america and create economic inclusivity rather than exclusivity. >> the vice president was on my radio show explaining this on friday and said they wanted to
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deal with specific and targeted ways of continuing this confronting and dealing with black unemployment. but staying with the election, black women are disproportionately affected by maternal health issues and disproportionately impacted by recent state abortion bans, particularly in the south. as abortion emerges as the domestic issue in 2024 for democrats, where does the uniquely dangerous provision acing black women fit into their? >> if it's because it is all aligned to our freedoms, our rights and opportunities. we have a very clear contrast in the upcoming election. those who want to take away or rollback the freedoms, rights, and opportunities like donald trump and mega republicans or
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those of us along with president biden and harris who want to exit advance and move them forward. we know that when we uplift and improve the economic conditions black people, we actually improve their health outcomes. when you move more families out of poverty and into the middle class, you say black lives. you help put more people into the middle class. you create entrepreneurs who are able to create opportunities and grow businesses in their own communities. if we want to tackle the inequities, if we want to address the issues, the maternal morbidity, we absolutely have to center the economy and creating economic opportunities. that is why the vice president is doing this tour. that is why the congressional black caucus is joining. our members are focused on this because we understand that it is our communities that need
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these opportunities the most and when we build economic disparity, we actually improve the conditions for all of america. >> representative chair of the congressional black caucus, thank you for being with us. up next, donald trump finds himself isolated and alone as he stands trial in new york. i will explain ahead in this week's " got you." live significantly longer across three separate clinical trials. so, i have the confidence to live my life. kisqali can cause lung problems or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. avoid grapefruit during treatment.
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normally when a person is facing felony charges, your minds are focused on what is happening inside the courtroom. as we all know, donald trump is not your typical defendant. according to the new york times, the former president has been complaining about the small crowds outside his manhattan hush money trial. very few of the mega faithful have shown up despite trump
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it is after 10 p.m., sleepy joe is still awake. while donald trump has spent the past week falling asleep in court every morning. fox news said he was being anti- woke. >> that was snl's speaking at the white house correspondents dinner last night. former resident trump returns to court on tuesday as his hush money trial enters the third week. joining me now is tim o'brien, msnbc political analyst and anthony, former white house communications director for the
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trump administration. let me go to you first, anthony. trump has drawn attention for his demeanor in court during his hush money trial. courtroom observers report seeing him fall asleep or talk out of turn. now he is fighting against a gag order imposed by calling it "unconstitutional." you worked with trump in the white house. what you make of his behavior during this trial? >> i think he's tired. he has way less energy than he did when i was working with them in the white house or on the 2016 campaign. he looks absolutely miserable. he is not but those tweets on truth social, those are incredible lies. he did that consistently. i can tell you stories where he would come on the camp lane campaign play and why he
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misquoted something, why did he exaggerate those percentages. it sounds better and people will believe it even if other people say that i'm lying, people will believe it. he looks terrible and he's lying. it's literally the same playbook is used as you and i both know. >> you have direct experience with the trump legal team as a legal opponent. trump suit you and your publisher for $5 million over a book you wrote about in in 2005. what did you learn from that experience about his legal tactics? >> i think he thought i was going to go away. i think it my publisher was going to go away. he did not see the new york times at the time because i knew i get free representation from the new york times and i think he thought that my publisher and i would rollover
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it which we did not. i think trump actually doesn't like to see things through when he gets deeply into confrontation most of the time because he is a classic bully. i think if you push back on him, he backs down. he is typically and historically never. in part that is because he often sniffs his lawyers when the bills come due and he tends to draw people to him who are interested in the publicity value of representing them. willing to go along with the fact that he is a nightmare of a client to work with and that you have to also contend with the social fallout that attends to being around donald trump. in this case, he has good lawyers. this is not the typical array of lawyers you see next to him but at the end of the day, donald trump does not listen to anyone anyway.
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he does not take it buys from advice from anyone else most of the time. he is sean's perspective on how he wants to roll is the correct role. that puts them in a bad spot strategically as a manager, defendant, president, and human being. >> anthony, this week, the supreme court heard arguments that he is immune from prosecution over the alleged attempt to overturn the 2020 election results. the justices appeal poised to reel that former president have some immunity for criminal charges. you have seen firsthand how trump conducts business in the oval office. if the supreme court were to give him the kinds of protections he's seek seeking, how do you think he would use them to be given a second term. the reason why we are in the fight of our life and the people like me who are lifelong republicans are working very hard to explain the danger of
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donald trump but specifically, it is understandable that in the professional duties of the office of the presidency, you have some immunity. remember this, mr. trump consistently moves the goalposts on everyone. he moved the goal post on michael cohen, his staff. people like hope eggs, sarah huckabee sanders. he's now moving the goalposts and willing to events who are judges that are less objectives and more politically minded in terms of the way they are seeing this. this can ultimately be a disaster for all of us. the open question is if they grant him the immunity, does that also get president biden that level of immunity? i think it would be a really bad trip for the united states
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to go in that direction so i hope it does not happen. >> a new poll after trump hush money trial began finds that 56% of americans are not competent the jury will be able to reach a fair verdict. in the past, trump has used his legal setbacks to distrust in his opponent by driving up his campaign boater support. what you think will happen if trump is cleared of these charges or if there is a hung jury? >> i don't think anyone is going to be in this case. it is a function of the fact that trump is going to be with us long after the fact that donald trump is off the public stage. is this attack on the institutions all of us rely on, whether democrats or republicans who have a civil law-abiding society. he has spent days outside the courtroom calling the spots as.
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he is attacked the judge, the judge's daughter. this is out of an old playbook. he's done that during every other investigation or legal proceeding is been involved in. the courts are a little bit hamstrung because in many cases, they are aware that if they treat the next president like any other person, they will be accused of political bias and at the same time, they should be treating the next president like any other person even more so because we have told presidents to higher standards. i think pulling like you just showed, it demonstrates some of the frame that comes from trump's assault on democracy. >> all right, anthony and tim o'brien, think you will for being with us. coming up, how corporate changes to diversity programs may affect black workers and workers of color. just ahead. just ahead. then i switch back to my regular shampoo. you should use it every wash, otherwise the flakes will come back.
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welcome back to "politicsnation ." new numbers show his rise in the number of businesses owned by black and brown families. a report from brookings finds a significant increase in entrepreneurship for people of color. narrowing a racial gap that has persisted for decades if not centuries. my next guest says financial literacy is the key to a more
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equitable economy. he has written a book about it all in a book called financial literacy for all that has reached number one on amazon for economics and is out on usa today's best seller list. joining me now is that author john bryant, ceo of operation hope. thank you for joining me today. let's start with your new book. what inspired you to write it and what is financial literacy especially important for communities of color? >> you inspired me and reverend jackson. dr. king, dorothy height, who pioneered civil rights. i call it civil rights. i think that we need to transition not just from the streets but to the suites. i do not think the primary color is black and white or red and blue. i think it is green.
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i think it has always been green. you and i have this conversation. i think jim crow was about money. there is a lot of things that get obligated. start focusing on this argument when really, this has been staring in the face. i really think, i say this respectively when i am talking about. i think this is the civil rights issue of this generation. not replacing anything. adding to it like a software upgrade. i think we've got to master this. we live in a democracy and i think the battle was often about money. we do not understand money. we understand how to make it but making money building wealth and managing it are all different things. >> is part of the mission of your nonprofit operation hope which gains to provide economic
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empowerment about the community level, you said earlier this year that the goal is to create 1 million businesses by 2030. how is this initiative going and can you speak to the unique challenges that black-owned businesses face? >> we started after george floyd's murder. i think this is the construction. we have hit 400,000 black businesses and four years. it is a 10 year goal. 2020-2030. we are on track to exceed 1 million businesses. 3.1 million black instances in america. we are about 12% at operation hope of all black businesses. 96% of our businesses. we are brilliant but we don't know that we don't know but we think we know. we know how to hustle. we made that money but no one
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taught on financial literacy. the money he made, the broker he got. and then my mom and dad divorced over money. most divorces are about money. i ended up taking care of my father later on in his life. my dad was a businessman but my mother worked in hourly job and she died last year, god rest her soul. every single mother watching this is saying wait a minute. why can't i become a millionaire? >> working in hourly job. >> if she worked there for 32 years. she bought one home and she left my dad, saved some money for the down payment, got her credit score right. which means she was not black, she was green. she bought acuity from the home to buy the second one.
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she used equity from the first and second by the third. seven homes, man. i own 700 and i am not a rocket scientist. really, when the rules are published in the playing field level, we can let. no one ever taught us the rules in ownership and opportunity. >> we seem uncomfortable and that is why i am so excited about this book. we seem uncomfortable talking about it where we should be uncomfortable with not talking about financial literacy. in the movement at 13 years old on jesse jackson and william jones. inflation, though, remains a big problem for the u.s. economy. the commerce department reported costs of goods and services were up nearly 3%. can you speak to why inflation is a serious concern for america's and what do you think washington should be doing
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about it? is there anything individuals can do to protect them selves? >> it is a brilliant question and the answer is pretty obvious. we went through the worst crisis in world history since 125 years ago. it is a miracle that we are still standing. the economy stopped for two years. the fact that the president and his administration overheated all that stimulus and i see it differently. we only have 3% inflation coming out of that is unlivable. we have the fastest growing economy in the world. the only stable economy in the world. the most diverse economy in the world. we are taking care of who drive
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that economy because 70% of this economy is consumer spending which is you and me paying for coffee, going to lunch, so forth. to see interest rates come down a cliff that will signal everybody. the bones in the economy are strong. the gas pump is all these things that the president can control which is supply and demand. all that stuff rose into our economy. there's things you can't control, things can't control. if you look at the trim line, it's coming under control. it is actually pretty remarkable coming out of a pandemic. i tell people, look. ignore the noise.
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get your earned income tax credit. you are watching this program, $60,000 a year, ignore the noise. come to my coaches, come to your offices and ask for the earned income to tax credit. you make $38,000, you have children. >> if you never filed and you are watching this and you have three children and you make 38 grand, the government owes you about $20,000. take that money. make more, spend less. half of our people have credit score below 620. that is why you have to pay more for interest. you need to get the credit score up. through coaching and counseling. i cannot control inflation but we can control the box we created. the itc, get your credit score up, dead down, savings up.
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all of a sudden, dignity again and you are in control of your personal economy. >> john bryant, the book is financial literacy for all. thank you for being with us. before we have a break, i want to let you know about a new feature documentary airing tonight on msnbc. commitment to life takes an intimate look back at the fight against hiv aids in los angeles and the community that change the cost of the epidemic. you can watch tonight at 9 p.m. eastern on msnbc, streaming on peacock . my final thoughts are up next. up next. has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it's the martha stewart of soil. ( ♪ ♪ )
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on may 3rd, professor kimberly crenshaw has called on national rallies that in other legacy organizations will participate into stand up and fight back against those that are stopping the increased need for diversity, equity, and inclusion. it started in many ways when this lawsuit went against the fund. two black women who had a fund that was helping to finance black women in business and we continue to stand with them and others that are now being penalized with programs and major corporations and on college campuses. call for this to be the beginning of a freedom summer. we will have her on to talk about that. it is time for us to stand up and not let those that want economic equality become the
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a that does it for me, thanks for watching. i will see you back here next weekend at five p.m. eastern. right now, it is the sunday show with jonathan. ith jonathan