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welcome to are special, new york versus donald trump. we are going to get into this criminal trial. the first week of testimony in new york. we are covering that on tonight's special. new reporting on the testimony. experts from law to the sordid world of new york tabloids. we also have a beat special report on the new, separate indictment against a trump lawyer who first admitted his role in the now indicted plot. this weekends with a remarkable contrast from d.c. to new york. in washington, you may have noticed a trump-friendly supreme court, slow jack smith prosecution and asked a bunch of friendly questions about the potential problems with prosecuting a president. if you listen to that oral argument, you may have noticed it almost sounded like that kind of trial was a futile
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project. file right at the east coast, an actual trial of an actual former president was going forward in the republic did not crumble. it is a contrast that hangs over all of this in america and what we are going to get into tonight, this very first week of the new york trial was orderly and fair. it seems to undercut the supposed concern of the trump appointed justices that hypothetically someday somehow in the future, trials of presidents are a bad thing when they're actually already happening. the first week of this trial shows not only that it is possible, but it also gave us the first real evidence back in court, a binding version of the d.a.s story to put together a brisk ride to what we are learning. >> the prosecution in donald trump's hush money trial drew the sharp outlines of its case against the former president. >> the prosecution started. they laid out a dispassionate,
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straightforward, very linear, very blunt -- >> prosecutors telling the jury of seven men and five women today, it was election fraud, pure and simple. >> the defense gets right up and says the store you just heard is not true. >> you hear the prosecution lay out a clear road map. >> you have a reference to the tape recording. that is a terrible tape for donald trump. >> it has been striking that there is no family. he is by himself. >> the ceo of american media inc. giving bombshell testimony. he tells quote unquote we committed a campaign violation. >> david pecker acknowledged that he did this for the benefit of the trump campaign. >> the defense spent hours trying to keep them up, catch him and contradictions. >> former senior vice president
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of the trump organization in terms longtime executive assistant, described as the gatekeeper, his right hand. her lawyers are being paid for by donald trump. >> you heard that word, gatekeeper. the problem is that these gatekeepers or suppose it allies or even friends are talking under oath in the d.a. is getting details out of them to bolster the opening argument where the jury was told cases about a criminal conspiracy and the cover-up. tabloid veteran david pecker has been admitting that. he recounts his dealings with mark michael cohen to bury stories to protect trump's campaign. they leveraged an agreement to quote cook the books and hide their financial footprint. this will be corroborated with evidence in the defendants own words with receipts showing an
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illegal conspiracy to undermine the election. trumps defense rebuts that by saying there is not even an actual conspiracy charge in this case. that is true. the word conspiracy has a legal meeting and also has a more colloquial meaning. the defense also attacks the whole election theory that trump promoted an election by unlawful means. that is the statute, and that would be needed to supersize this misdemeanor of financial fraud into a felony case, so the trump defense has kind of said well, maybe the d.a. is just being alarmist about what amounts to however dirty politics as usual. translators proclaiming there is nothing wrong with trying to influence an election. it's called democracy. the d.a. has put up three witnesses to testimony this week. the national enquirer chief we mentioned was clearly the hottest, unloading these details, dishing on that original sordid meeting that formed this trump inquirer alliance that involved a heavy
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dose of defamation against all sorts of people including ted cruz and his family, details about how they acted as an arm of the campaign, meaning so- called media decisions were phoned in by calling himself and the money to silence women came from both the inquirer and cohen, who are both reimbursed by trump soap playboy model karen mcdougal as well as stormy daniels got money from different places but it all went back to the original campaign motivation and told him: for how he tried to hide contacts using a secret messaging app. that adds to the evidence they knew they had criminal exposure in this and the thinking was
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not that it was a crime with the thinking was oh, our appointees will protect us. we have them in our pocket. but, trumps doj did not actually shield michael cohen. he was convicted and imprisoned by the very independent sd ny prosecutors during the trump era. by the end of the week, the prosecution turned to run a graph, a trump employee. they are still paying for her lawyers. to take this all together what you see is a lot more evidence against trump then reasonable graph -- doubt on his behalf. that does not mean he's losing this case. the burden is on the d.a.s side but for the first day this is not a slow riser a lot of accounting spreadsheets. this was a two by force swung repeatedly at donald trump as a defendant while some of that came from the prosecutors tough
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talk in the opening, you have to remember a lot of that tough talk and incriminating information came from his buddy, tabloid chief david pecker who said by the end of his testimony, it's not personal. he still counts donald trump as a friend. he is just telling the truth under oath about their campaign crimes. how bad is it? we have two special guest with me right here at the table when we are back in 90 seconds. we a. come on. i already got a pneumonia vaccine, but i'm asking about the added protection of prevnar 20®. if you're 19 or older with certain chronic conditions like asthma, diabetes, copd, or heart disease, or are 65 or older, you are at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20® is approved in adults to help prevent infections from 20 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia. in just one dose. don't get prevnar 20® if you've had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine
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welcome back to our special, trump on trial in new york. we are joined by former u.s. attorney joyce vance and professor jason johnson, both analysts for us. joyce, i went through some of what we got out of this opening week. i think if you are on the jury, it feels like the d.a. is up. they are in the lead. what do you think they achieve in this first week and what do they have to worry about? >> sure. if you are the prosecution and you are not up after your first witness, you're in big trouble, right? but the prosecution really did start off i think with an unexpected bang. no one knew what to expect out of david pecker. we learned he had been cooperating with prosecutors and he brought trump straight into the conspiracy, the election fraud conspiracy which is necessary to turn the misdemeanor into a felony. he
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stood up pretty well during testimony and on cross- examination. they did not seem to come after him with a lot. they tried to pick away at his credibility, question some of the key pieces of evidence but he was thoroughly rehabilitated on redirect. the prosecution has to be feeling good. >> jason, the defendant is legally presumed innocent. but, his family is not there. the jury can notice that. these are his friends and allies. some of them have gone so far like michael cohen who is so angry at trump that it might affect his credibility. summerlike mr. pecker who might say yeah, friendly. the guys a liar but we are friendly. we may have committed crimes but were friendly and he has got a whole back story of, shall we say, early complicated allegations, but were friendly. if these are the views of his friends, how does that hurt him
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in the court of public opinion? >> that is the thing. we can go through all the sort of legalese and jargon, but really the average person is picking up every fifth word and what they're picking up her things like adult film star, payoff, family isn't there and falling asleep during the trial so the outside world is like okay, this doesn't look good. we are not seeing anything that gives us the opportunity to say oh my gosh, trump is alert, he's paying attention to this. if you heard someone say this room was filled with people who are supporting donald trump and they leave the room every day and millennia is there and everything like that, it gives the outside public that these people believe in him so even if he is guilty his family believe in him so the fact that he doesn't have people with him, that is what the people are picking up. >> are you going to tell joyce the reference you made?
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>> i think she knows that one. it's pretty classic. >> what i'm going to do, joyce. this is a classic. >> different pages and states, red and blue to say nothing of four around the world where they don't have a vote but it is ricocheting. what do you think about the fact that it does take a level 10, the supreme court had to say oh my god this is a big deal and it's happening to remind people of what it is like if donald trump is in the center, whether he is in power, people may have forgotten what 2019 was like, does that hurt him, just the feeling of what this is like? >> it adds up because after a while, people start thinking
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why is this guy not in court? he's in court for documents. he's in court for an affair. everybody thinks he's going to be in trial the whole time but here is the other thing. we talked about this before. i don't carry too much weight in polls, anything this early but what i can say is this. the number of americans who have said that if donald trump is convicted of anything that it will affect their vote has stayed steady at 23 to 25%, so there is a risk here. this is not a situation where top supporters are going to say you know what, no matter what happens. there is a core of population and it tends to be independence and if he's convicted they will say i just don't think i can do it for this guy and that is a real consequence of this trial. >> i appreciate the precision of your mind. i appreciate that you drop the second reference, gone till november. i am reminded of when wycliff said we are all up in the danger zone, the judge hit the
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hammer, the brother ain't coming home and that something's got to worry about with trump. will you now unveil your earlier reference? >> no no no, i'm going to wait. i want this to be teased. she's going to integrate it when she comes back. >> here is the thing. people ask sometimes, was this planned, was this scripted? we will all be in suspense. lot -- joyce, i did want to include you in the breakdown here because the sarah jonah -- arizona charges are a big deal. joyce is going to come right back as we get into that. we will show you boris epstein. we have that breakdown with joyce vance next. ith joyce vance next. so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. come on. i already got a pneumonia vaccine, but i'm asking about the added protection of prevnar 20®. if you're 19 or older with certain chronic conditions
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is involved in all of this and now, here we are in this extremely busy week as he is there. you see him working on his phone with the lead counsel trying to help trump stay out of a new york prison. but, what we can tell you as part of our special and with all this news you may have missed it, for the first time, boris epshteyn joined the ranks of travelers who need lawyers of their own, prosecutors indicting him for electoral fraud. >> boris epshteyn continues to play a role in this 2024 campaign. >> names we've heard in the past suddenly back in the news. >> this is the first time he's been indicted but also a former trump aid remains one of his closest top advisers. >> for boris epshteyn this is obviously a big deal unlike anyone else indicted he is legally presumed innocent.
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it is also a big deal and live issue in this new york case. defendant trump using boris as a lawyer there and reporting on all these issues we have interviewed boris epshteyn repeatedly, including when those early subpoenas hit. >> when you say you will provide evidence is your intent to cooperate? >> i'm happy to provide evidence of the overwhelming fraud that happened in the 2020 election. >> was your plan to try to force a vote in the house to reverse the election outcome? >> i had absolutely no idea there was going to be any violence whatsoever the capital. there was absolutely a plan and a process for there to be challenges. >> is that a yes? >> there is a process to challenge electoral votes. >> we pressed on those issues and questions. boris epshteyn now is indicted along with giuliani, meadows, john eastman, lawyers who had
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to defend whether or not they became criminals plus trump himself named among the unindicted co-conspirators in the same arizona case charging epshteyn plessy could be named a co-conspirator in the jack smith case. we can confirm that epshteyn participated in the elector plot because we questioned him on that all the way back then before some of these probes have gone much further and we elicited a newsworthy omission. this is about one year after the january 6 insurrection, before jack smith was active. we pressed on how these aids and even lawyers seem to become directly involved not just in making arguments and defending things, which they are allowed to do, but in advancing active work that appeared to break the law, which could be indictable.
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these leads that we built on, investigators followed so here we are in our special right now. i'm going to air that exchange where epshteyn ultimately admits his role in the elector plan, not defending its legality but saying he did it with giuliani and that involve trying to deceive a government with blatantly fraud electors in states that trump had loss where the loss had been certified. we are airing this in its full context about 90 seconds from that original interview and you will hear epshteyn admit the elector plan he is now indicted for this week in arizona. >> there has been reporting about the attempt to seat fraudulent electors. is that something you ever worked on or would support, for example, in michigan? >> that's a funny. not fraudulent electors. >> we fought to seek the electors the trump campaign act as -- asked us to do that.
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did you ever make calls like that? >> yes, i was part of the process to make sure there were alternate electors. >> so your view just for the record here is that you could, as a letter to the trump campaign, seat these electors in states for the state result is overseen by the end of -- independent courts and approved by the supreme court found that biden won. you don't see any chance there that could be against the law? >> the supreme court never ruled on the merits. >> the cases were so weak they never reached the merits. they didn't even see -- and that included many trump appointed justices. >> it was a different makeup of the court and more and more information is coming every day out of arizona, georgia, pennsylvania and wisconsin. >> if you are aiding and
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abetting voter fraud not only is that against the law but you also would lose the lawyer client privilege and the crime fraud exception for your client. >> the perpetration of fraud was absolutely done and it was done by the democrats. everything that was done was done illegally by the trump legal team according to the rules and under the leadership of rudy giuliani. >> there you have it. that was a big deal at the time, epshteyn admitting in our interview in the back and forth after we pressed him and showed him the results of the examples in the other corroborating evidence that he was in the elector plot of these are states what arizona for trumpet lost, so it looks a lot like government fraud. joyce vance is back with us. i mentioned the nexus in the new york case and also separately, even if he was not involved anymore for trump, this is another person in the elector plot that now is facing a potential conviction. >> they might as well have marked that tape you just played government's exhibit one . that is in essence boris
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epshteyn captured on video talking about the sake elector scheme he is not charged in. when that is added on to some of the other evidence we've heard about that is publicly known -- we don't know what prosecutors might have that we are unaware of. emails trying to convince officials in arizona that they should come on board for this to put in a fake slate of electors to try to tie up the certification of the electoral college vote, that makes arizona's case look very solid. really interesting that boris epshteyn is in court with donald trump in new york. not quite sure what we can make of that. he was not there for jury selection or opening statements. he showed up the date after he was indicted in arizona. maybe it was planned in advance but it is certainly worth following. >> yes, because it again shows how many of these criminal plots intersect. this is someone now indicted for a 2020 election crime trying to defend trump against the 2016 election crime as the supreme court hears the related
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election crime and we showed that. i want to put up on the screen just how many of trump's lawyers and other officials are in trouble. i know it looks like a lot of stamps. we will start on the lower right for you have donald trump now unindicted co-conspirator this week in arizona. that would be big news any other year by any other president that goes along with these indictments he faces and as you move over on the screen you see epstein, unindicted co- conspirator in georgia now indicted this week in georgia and as you go up, a lot of other familiar names that got more attention because some of them were indicted a lot earlier in this process. where do epshteyn and these other people fit into accountability because on the one hand we hear from people saying donald trump seems to keep getting away with it. on the other hand, it doesn't look like all these people are getting way with it. >> something i've always understood as a prosecutor is
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how slowly justice appears to take place. i think that has been true in this case more than anything else i've ever seen but we are getting to the find out point. donald trump is sitting in a cold courtroom, not on the campaign trail in manhattan and as these other cases are indicted and particularly this one in arizona, you have to wonder, will someone finally break from the herd and truly cooperate against donald trump? boris epshteyn has the appearance of someone, we don't know for certain, who was in close communication who could talk about what donald trump was thinking. that is something jack smith would absolutely like to have in the federal prosecution in the district of columbia when it is permitted to go forward so it's all intermingled. >> we will leave this on the screen here is i ask you the other thing i want to mention is a lot of these people, particularly clark, eastman, giuliani, ellis, and powell were all very public. ellis was also on this program.
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one of their bets was that if you launder this brazenly in public, it might look more normalized and prosecutors won't act. did that initially were? >> it absolutely worked originally. there were people like even me, we were two of them were stunned and immediately saw this as an effort to interfere with the election from as early as donald trump began to say ahead of the election year that he would not necessarily be bound by a vote that he lost. but, there was this effort to say it can't be illegal because we're doing it openly and in public and you know, that is just not the sort of strategy you can maintain in the face of good independent prosecutors and that is where we are now. >> as you say, some people go oh my god, they admitted it then someone else as well, they said it out loud so it can't be that bad. that is the trick or the game
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that some of them are playing some of the time, best as i can tell i like you, i have spent time dealing with this, but seeing this now which accountability in arizona where again, epshteyn is legally presumed innocent but faces this mountain of evidence of what he said in public yeah, i did it. he doesn't think elector fraud is a problem. thank you for being here tonight. >> thanks for having me. more revealing testimony from the tabloid side of this. we have that special breakdown and our experts on the history of the new york tablets and how this might play with a seasoned new york state jury. >>
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here we are in this trial. donald trump grew, thrived, and enriched himself at the altar of pr and new york tabloid media hype, but as the great jay-z once said, the same sword that night you can be the sword that good nights you. donald trump is currently fighting for his liberty to avoid a felony conviction and the incarceration that can come with that because of more than anything, the way he did these dirty, unseemly tabloid deeds.
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on friday, his own former assistant took the stand and testified how she saw stormy daniels at the trump tower reception area. it was also the tabloid chief, david pecker, who testified and explained how this whole thing worked to buy and bury negative stories through the tabloids to boost the campaign. was that your purpose and locking up the story about the playmate to influence the election, prosecutors asked, and he confirmed, yes. i'm going to show you some of these headlines that are for the most part, false. a false allegation about then trump competitor marco rubio. another one i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz, pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured right down to the doctored photo but trumps defense lawyers pushed back. they tried to say the inquirers whole program was just a good thing -- it's just how they roll. they brought up arnold schwarzenegger and that deal.
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pecker said the deal i had with arnold as i would advise him about stories that are out there and buy them for a period of time, also advising that trump did not pay the inquirer back for the mcdougal story. now, mcdougal, who you see on the screen, i spoke to her lawyer back in 2019 who told us this. >> the affairs happened in 2006. michael cohen and i first contacted each other about the matter in 2011, so at a minimum, they knew about me and stormie, at a minimum, in 2011. they knew about it in 2013 and 14. they knew about it in 2015. they knew about it when donald trump declared he was a candidate for president. >> the money only comes through at the end. >> of the point they're according to the lawyer and now the d.a., the money came
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because they cared about the campaign and nothing else and that is why this was not just tabloid business, it was campaign tabloid television, if you will. the d.a. also highlight the text that davidson sent to one of the top editors at the inquirer, something that could be ripped out of a novel. looking at the fact that having buried the stories helped donald trump, just like they planned, but they saw that he actually won and said quote, what have we done? we're joined now by presidential historian michael and as alluded to, j mcenery throughout big lights, big city. welcome to both of you. jay, what do you think about the tabloids coming back to bite donald? >> it is ironic. he lived in the tabloids. i'm
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afraid more than one of us did but he use the tablets for his own purposes. he knew very well how they worked in new york. i'm happy to say on behalf of new york tablets, they were not quite as blatant as the new york inquirer but i remember for instance when i was tabloid fodder something that i guess they would call it trade and fade whereby if you got called up and there was a scandalous piece of gossip about you, you could get out of it, and you could have it killed if you had a juicier item to trade. so, that was -- and certainly donald knew that and of course he often called up the tabloids . that is his own publicist, pretending to be his own publicist to spread some wonderful news about himself. i find it quite extraordinary
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that the inquirer actually paid in order to not do the job they allegedly were doing, to deliver news to the general public, and it is quite extraordinary. i hear that pecker is a very nice guy but it is extraordinary to me, the things he has admitted , the things he has admitted were standard national enquirer practice. at least in those days. >> yes, i think that is one of the parts of the trial that is so interesting and michael, we will turn to you. sometimes people watch these criminal trials and learn about how policing really goes down, which is separate from the guilt question. and so it is not that the inquirer has some vaulted high reputation, but even people who think less of it are surprised to understand it is not really any kind of fact-finding media institution. it impersonates a magazine at
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the supermarket. it's not a magazine. at the whole bundle of deals with no intrinsic standards. here was donald trump way back in the 80s talking about how he uses media. >> do you cultivate a high profile? >> no, for some reason, if newsweek calls and they said donald, we want to do a cover story, i guess you have to sort of go along with it and that happened and other things happen and it's just something that happens. i can't really tell you why. >> that is false. >> you mean donald trump said something that was false? where did you find this? >> i'm curious what you think about the times sorted low stakes of this and yet this is the first trial in the supreme court reminded everyone this week why it may be the only trial. >> i think it might be but you know, i think in a way donald trump understood americans better than the way a lot of other politicians did and that
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is not said to down americans but he understood the reach of the national enquirer, the number of people you would be very surprised to see in a supermarket sneaking a look at an article inside a magazine with a really sensational cover , and the same goes for that program that he was on. the apprentice. i'm sure you were a weekly viewer just like me. but the point is, that paved the way for donald trump because a lot of people watched that thing for more than a decade. it shows a successful businessman who was tough with a heart of gold. none of those three things are true but that was on that show, so in 2016, people like me and my guess would be maybe you, who are not weekly viewers of the apprentice didn't know how much that would do to ease his entry into politics. same with the national enquirer.
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>> yes. again, on the special we've had all of our details we brought you, and this is story and here are big fish with no disrespect to any of the other fish. all our fish are special. >> my mother said that about her children, as well. >> but this is a heck of a story and a heck of a way to go down and i'm just curious what the novelist and you things, and would you write a novel this way? would it be too far-fetched? the floor is yours. >> well, several people have pointed out to me that trump has appeared in one or two of my novels, something i'm a little embarrassed about now but i think it's interesting, michael just reminded us of the way trump actually apprenticed himself to the ways of the media
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with the show of his, the apprentice, and pecker testified that during the long run of that show, when he became more familiar to the american public, he would repeatedly call pecker to promote or demote the contestants on the show, to sell his own agenda, whatever it was that week and i mean, it seems almost extraordinary and almost two linear for a novel, but in retrospect, that was a very important part of his rise, was the apprentice, which ran the seven seasons or something. >> maybe even more. >> but so much of the trump story, i think would be deleted by any conscientious editor as being unbelievable. >> and also the chief character is too cartoonish and inane in certain circumstances.
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>> indeed, i think the character of trump just would not pass muster in a work of literature because it is a cartoon. >> right. although one thing you know, you mentioned you had it on screen i think we were thinking the same way. if you had a novel and it was about all this, you would have a character from the national enquirer calling someone up on the night of donald trump selection and saying, what have we done? >> and that is what i think is so important. this is the inquirer story again when we look back and they said it worked. they knew it would help but i didn't think they thought it would work. the jury can take their mind back to the beginning of 2016, the access hollywood tape. you can talk about the iraq war. you can talk about projecting elections. sometimes the consensus gets it wrong as he was definitely
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going to lose so they thought of it is less likely to have an impact. what have we done? as we also mark this week, supreme court justices who are friendly to trump continually implied that if you have law and order, accountability or trials, this would be some new bad thing, and we have a lot of experts showing that is not true. maybe there trump bias is showing. i think if you did have a problem of over prosecuting, that would be one thing but we haven't gotten there yet and you mentioned previously and we prepared for your view that note we have seen a start, we know about nixon and clinton. agnew was right in there. the fact that there was an accountable process by most people is not viewed as a problem. it's viewed as at least if there -- it is bad enough, there are guardrails here. >> flatly deny the assertion
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that has been made by the prosecutors with regard to their contention of bribery and extortion on my part. >> what is your reaction to the resignation? >> i think it's a sad thing. >> it makes me glad. it should've been done a long time ago. >> simply wonderful. i think nixon should be the next president. >> history's lessons. before trump i think you could argue they were somewhat more bipartisan and people looked at that as a high point. we heard from trump-friendly justice kavanaugh this week actually maybe that stuff was the problem, and the only good thing was pardoning nixon. what is going on with the lessons of history? >> pardoning nixon in my view was a terrible mistake because that told later presidents like donald trump, you can do whatever you want and probably the worst is going to happen to you is like nixon, you will retire to your seaside villa so
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in a way, it made the later presidency a crime zone, as was the case in those discussions on the supreme court yesterday and i couldn't believe my ears. i've always been raised to have respect for the supreme court. to hear them basically saying things that sounded as if they are excusing january 6 as if it was just a tourist visit that was relatively harmless, those are the people who are going to assure a world of democracy and rule of law for future americans . if they continue to talk like that are not like that and by the way, in so doing, delaying the jack smith trial, which is the only time trump will be directly tried, if he ever is, for what happened on january 6, we are going to be living in a very unsafe country where supreme court did that. >> really interesting, and
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given how much real history and upside down alice in wonderland history i was hearing from the court. i want to get you on that, as well. >> jay, we started with big lights big city and the fun content readers know from that novel. we started with the inquirer but by the end we clash to that right, jay? >> we are classmates so -- >> almost. i don't know if jay remembers this but the daughter of spiro agnew, named kim, was my classmate at williams college, and i think her father came to our commencement so i'm the only person in the segment his commencement was attended by spiro agnew. >> michael, jay, thanks to both of you. our special continues. we will be right back. we will be right back. with just one pill a day. choose acid prevention.
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you have been watching our special, "trump on trial. " connectedness online, and you can ask questions about the trial. keep it right here on msnbc. okay, even by 2024 standards, this week was a lot. donald trump watched key witnesses testify against him in one courtroom while his lawyers

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