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. >> that seems completely to contradict what former white house lawyer don mcgahn told mueller's team and days after mcgahn was asked to say trump had not committed obstruction of justice. >> sarah westwood it following all of the developments at the white house. >> reporter: good morning. president trump venting his frustration about mcgahn on the heels of these reports that president trump, through lawyer emmitt flood asked mcgahn to come out publicing and saying he didn't think trump are obstructed justice but mcgahn did not do so' reveal to investigators he did not think he was admitting obstruction through his actions and was upset to clear his name from obstruction and something the mueller report explicitly did not do. here is what the president wrote on twitter yesterday. quote. of course, the president is on record praising mcgahn who advised his 2016 help with the transition was his first white house counsel. but just for some context what mueller investigators learned through more than 30 hours of speaking to don mcgahn was that in june 2017, president trump called mcgahn a
. >> that seems completely to contradict what former white house lawyer don mcgahn told mueller's team and days after mcgahn was asked to say trump had not committed obstruction of justice. >> sarah westwood it following all of the developments at the white house. >> reporter: good morning. president trump venting his frustration about mcgahn on the heels of these reports that president trump, through lawyer emmitt flood asked mcgahn to come out publicing and saying he didn't...
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let's talk about don mcgahn. today is the day he needs to produce these documents. what needs to happen if he doesn't make the 10:00 a.m. deadline? >> i think the big question here is really whether the white house does exert executive privilege over don mcgahn both the documents and potential testimony that they requested two weeks from now. from all of my reporting and sources close to the president and his legal team they believe that executive privilege is something that can be exerted not something that can be waived and that's what house democrats are challenging. they say you waived it when you allowed don mcgahn to sit for hours with the special counsel during his investigation, you can't exert executive privilege now. if that does happen, if the white house does exert executive privilege don mcgahn is in a hard place. he can either comply with house democrats and go against the white house or he'll potentially face contempt from congress. we've seen they are willing to do that with the attorney general william barr. house democrats have indicated that's on
let's talk about don mcgahn. today is the day he needs to produce these documents. what needs to happen if he doesn't make the 10:00 a.m. deadline? >> i think the big question here is really whether the white house does exert executive privilege over don mcgahn both the documents and potential testimony that they requested two weeks from now. from all of my reporting and sources close to the president and his legal team they believe that executive privilege is something that can be...
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. >>> don mcgahn will not show up for testimony tomorrow because the house told him not to. as "the 11th hour" gets under way now on a busy monday night. >>> good evening once again rather from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 851 of this trump administration. a couple of big stories have dropped just in these past few hours. tonight we learned don mcgahn who's the former white house counsel, one of the leading voices in the mueller report and now a private citizen will ignore a subpoena to testify tomorrow morning before the house judiciary committee. the white house apparently told him not to show. tonight the democrats are threatening what they are calling all enforcement mechanisms, more on that later. another big story late today, federal judge ruled against trump in his fight to keep his financial records that would include tax returns out of the hands of congress. and michael cohen is both in prison and in the news. we've learned he testified that one of the president's attorneys encouraged him to make false statements to congress. but let's go back to
. >>> don mcgahn will not show up for testimony tomorrow because the house told him not to. as "the 11th hour" gets under way now on a busy monday night. >>> good evening once again rather from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 851 of this trump administration. a couple of big stories have dropped just in these past few hours. tonight we learned don mcgahn who's the former white house counsel, one of the leading voices in the mueller report and now a...
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mcgahn is a really good guy. >> and a top democrat finally goes there on impeachment. >> if don mcgahn doesn't testify, it is time to open an impeachment inquiry. >> tonight the massive stakes over the don mcgahn fight. the implications of the new sweeping repudiation of trump's claim that congress cannot investigate him. and now bipartisan calls for impeaching the president, and the new reporting that trump's current lawyer instructed his former lawyer to lie to congress. >> i am done with the lying. >> when "all in" starts right now.
mcgahn is a really good guy. >> and a top democrat finally goes there on impeachment. >> if don mcgahn doesn't testify, it is time to open an impeachment inquiry. >> tonight the massive stakes over the don mcgahn fight. the implications of the new sweeping repudiation of trump's claim that congress cannot investigate him. and now bipartisan calls for impeaching the president, and the new reporting that trump's current lawyer instructed his former lawyer to lie to congress....
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don mcgahn is scheduled to appear before the house judiciary committee. all indications he will be a no show. i'm sandra smith. >> jon: i'm jon scott in for bill hemmer. chairman nadler is threatening to hold mcgahn in contempt of congress if he does not testify. in the meantime president trump pushing back saying his attorneys are looking at the bigger picture. >> president trump: as i understand it they're doing that for the office of the presidency for future presidents. it's a very important precedent. the attorneys say that they are not doing that for me, they're doing it for the office of the president. so we're talking about the future. >> jon: doug mcelway live on capitol hill with the latest in this battle, doug. >> the house judiciary committee hearing is getting underway as we speak and there is an empty chair where former white house counsel don mcgahn is supposed to be. also no signs of any kentucky fried chicken boxes in the hearing room as we speak. it all came to a head late last night when don mcgahn's lawyer sent a letter to jerrold nadl
don mcgahn is scheduled to appear before the house judiciary committee. all indications he will be a no show. i'm sandra smith. >> jon: i'm jon scott in for bill hemmer. chairman nadler is threatening to hold mcgahn in contempt of congress if he does not testify. in the meantime president trump pushing back saying his attorneys are looking at the bigger picture. >> president trump: as i understand it they're doing that for the office of the presidency for future presidents. it's a...
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couldn't don mcgahn just say i'm going to go and testify? >> see, the complication here, and this is similar to what robert was getting at is he is a private citizen, but you're talking about things that happened when he was white house counsel. but here is the thing. we're getting -- we're getting into this question of executive privilege that will be sorted out in the courts. and the much bigger issue is this is all indicative -- this is what kirsten had said -- all indicative of an intent to frustrate the will of congress and to frustrate congressional oversight. the president has said from the beginning i'm going to instruct people not to testify and not to comply with the subpoenas. just in the last week, the house oversight committee saw witnesses not comply with subpoenas related to i believe the census and white house security clearance, and on and on and on. this extends across the administration. so while don mcgahn is sort of the executive privilege du jour, what this really is an attempt to just not comply with what congress -- a
couldn't don mcgahn just say i'm going to go and testify? >> see, the complication here, and this is similar to what robert was getting at is he is a private citizen, but you're talking about things that happened when he was white house counsel. but here is the thing. we're getting -- we're getting into this question of executive privilege that will be sorted out in the courts. and the much bigger issue is this is all indicative -- this is what kirsten had said -- all indicative of an...
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everything that don mcgahn said of relevance is in the report. this is something different that congress wants. they want to harass. they want to attack. they want their theater moment. >> i take your point that's the white house stance but the democrats say they have an oversight responsibility here and that this is our system of checks and balances. why not -- what is the president protecting by not allowing mcgahn to testify? >> there's nothing to protect. there is 200 pages of don mcgahn's testimony on all of these various incidents. so you have to ask yourself, do we really believe that jerry nadler and that group of democrats that are in that committee behaving like children and eating fried chicken, are they going to find out something from don mcgahn not in that report? you and i both know the answer to that question. >> let's transition now to bob mueller. his team has been in talks with democrats on the hill about mueller testifying. barr said he has no problem with it. does the white house have a problem with mueller testifying? >> it
everything that don mcgahn said of relevance is in the report. this is something different that congress wants. they want to harass. they want to attack. they want their theater moment. >> i take your point that's the white house stance but the democrats say they have an oversight responsibility here and that this is our system of checks and balances. why not -- what is the president protecting by not allowing mcgahn to testify? >> there's nothing to protect. there is 200 pages of...
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he impugned the credibility of don mcgahn. mueller takes the steps of explaining why he found mcgahn credible. he explains how mcgahn didn't come in willingly. we know from press accounts that mcgahn advocate ed not cooperating. because he refused the fire mueller, the president who is petty all the time sided with ty cobb and john dowd. this whole thing is this toxic, dysfunctional mess. what barr did call into question of testimony of don mcgahn who has been subpoenaed who is deciding whether to go testify or be held in contempt. his lawyers said either option appeals too much too him. the sitting attorney general impugn the credibility of the former white house counsel who mueller spent 22 months investigating his sworn testimony. mueller had 22 months to decide whether mcgahn was krecredible goes to step of attesting credibility. he had a chief of staff who took a whole lot of notes. we know how donald trump feels about notes. he doesn't like them. >> some of the great lawyers take note. >> it's not just don mcgahn's testi
he impugned the credibility of don mcgahn. mueller takes the steps of explaining why he found mcgahn credible. he explains how mcgahn didn't come in willingly. we know from press accounts that mcgahn advocate ed not cooperating. because he refused the fire mueller, the president who is petty all the time sided with ty cobb and john dowd. this whole thing is this toxic, dysfunctional mess. what barr did call into question of testimony of don mcgahn who has been subpoenaed who is deciding whether...
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he talked about as you said, don mcgahn, former white house counsel. the democrats want a re-do what the president is saying. they want to redo the russia probe because they didn't get the outcome they wanted. the reason they want to talk, democrats on the senate judiciary committee want to talk to don mcgahn, on one section of the mueller report, that the president directed him to fire the special counsel. never followed through with that. that is the section they really keyed in on this. president said hey, this is all laid out there for the public to see. there was no collusion related to this. again, a number of different points when he is talking about with don mcgahn, the negotiations with iran. liz, there were a number of point the president covered. liz: edward, the push for the democrats is this, "new york times" said he had billion dollars in losses over a decade. he was effectively insolvent. they want to get his tax returns to see if any russian entity floated, to citizen donald trump during the '90s and helped him out at a time there was s
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. >>> defying a congressional subpoena president trump directing don mcgahn not to appear before the house judiciary committee this morning. jerrold nadler is threatening to hold mcgahn in contempt. >> president trump holds a campaign rally in pennsylvania and takes a swipe at joe biden telling the crowd he deserted you. >> severe weather batters the southern plains. tornadoes have touched down in several states causing damage to homes and buildings. meteorologist bill karins tracking the damage. >>> good morning, everybody. it is tuesday, may 21st. i'm yasmin vossoughian alongside nbc news white house correspondent jeff bennett. we'll start with the fight over the trump administration's stonewalling of democratic investigations escalating. the white house has directed former counsel don mcgahn to defy a congressional subpoena to testify before the house judiciary committee this morning. in a letter to chairman jerrold nadler, white house counsel said the justice department has quote advised me that mr. mcgahn is absolutely immune from compelled congressional testimony with respect t
. >>> defying a congressional subpoena president trump directing don mcgahn not to appear before the house judiciary committee this morning. jerrold nadler is threatening to hold mcgahn in contempt. >> president trump holds a campaign rally in pennsylvania and takes a swipe at joe biden telling the crowd he deserted you. >> severe weather batters the southern plains. tornadoes have touched down in several states causing damage to homes and buildings. meteorologist bill...
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it certainly is not the case that everything that don mcgahn ever talked about or wrote about can be subject to the subpoena without an argument of executive privilege, but that's where the arguments are going to fall. and that's where you're going to have a lot of delay, because you'll have to hash this all out in court. >> and then, of course, there's the argument that i'm sure those who want mcgahn to testify will make, which is president trump has basically been out there publicly on twitter else and where saying that don mcgahn's version of event, as detailed in the mueller report, is a lie. that it's not true. does that change anything in terms of whether or not the public has a more compelling reason to hear from him? >> yeah, i think it's a common sense argument there. we sometimes say in the law in motion that lawyers bring, you can't use a privilege as both a sword and a shield. on the one hand you're saying, you know, you can't hear this information. on the other hand you're saying, and by the way, the information is completely false and i think you've stated it actually v
it certainly is not the case that everything that don mcgahn ever talked about or wrote about can be subject to the subpoena without an argument of executive privilege, but that's where the arguments are going to fall. and that's where you're going to have a lot of delay, because you'll have to hash this all out in court. >> and then, of course, there's the argument that i'm sure those who want mcgahn to testify will make, which is president trump has basically been out there publicly on...
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are they going to have the same response that don mcgahn have. don mcgahn didn't have to accept the president's instructions. he chose to. he has a certain degree of loyalty to a former boss. he works for a law firm that gets a lot of business from the republicans. that doesn't mean that hope hicks or annie donaldson will want to take the same route. we don't know that. they are not under the government's conundrum. i think they will wait and see if they can put it off long enough to see what the rulings are when it comes to mcgahn. that will determine the course for them and a whole lot of other potential witnesses who might get called. when the courts weigh in and say the house can or cannot subpoena people who do not work for him any longer. that will answer the question for us. >> anita, i guess we all have honorary degrees in psychology now. can you read anything into what the president has said on twitter. he seems to have ramped up and made a bit more specific his attacks on the democrats. >> i think he has been saying and thinking somethi
are they going to have the same response that don mcgahn have. don mcgahn didn't have to accept the president's instructions. he chose to. he has a certain degree of loyalty to a former boss. he works for a law firm that gets a lot of business from the republicans. that doesn't mean that hope hicks or annie donaldson will want to take the same route. we don't know that. they are not under the government's conundrum. i think they will wait and see if they can put it off long enough to see what...
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melissa, again, to underscore that don mcgahn is one of the key eyewitnesss. he sat with and gave mueller 30 plus hours for his mueller report. he's one of the key eyewitnesss to prove whether or not president trump attempted to obstruct justice. your reaction to the white house telling him to defy the subpoena? >> same old same old. we've seen this constantly. every time a subpoena is proffered the white house says the person who is supposed to receive can't and will not testify. this is par for the president. this is a president who does not want don mcgahn to appear before congress. >> explain the immunity piece pamela is mentioning. >> executive privilege and absolute immunity are different. executive privilege is the president's option to keep certain information that's exchanged between the president and his closers advisers out of the hands and the public and congress. absolute immunity is for the president against subpoenas from congress. that's part of the separation of powers. the issue here is whether that same absolute immunity applies to the presi
melissa, again, to underscore that don mcgahn is one of the key eyewitnesss. he sat with and gave mueller 30 plus hours for his mueller report. he's one of the key eyewitnesss to prove whether or not president trump attempted to obstruct justice. your reaction to the white house telling him to defy the subpoena? >> same old same old. we've seen this constantly. every time a subpoena is proffered the white house says the person who is supposed to receive can't and will not testify. this is...
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this would not be in don mcgahn's interests. he doesn't want to get mired in this mess anymore and he already stated that barr had made the point clear that he doesn't need to get involved in this. but trump demands loyalty from all those who work for him. and so this is another example of him dehe ma manding loyalty r them to be very public in their support for him. >> 30 hours of testimony mcgahn gave to the mueller team. doesn't seem like he wants to give much more chit-chat about all of that at this point. and on another front, subpoenas have been issued for mr. trump's tax returns, but like other issues, the white house doesn't appear to be cooperating. democratic leaders are saying without checks and balances, the u.s. is in a constitutional crisis. how do you see it? >> yeah, i would agree we are definitely in a constitutional crisis and i think there is unprecedented levels of conflict between the executive branch and the legislative branch like we have never really seen before. and it seems like it will all play out in
this would not be in don mcgahn's interests. he doesn't want to get mired in this mess anymore and he already stated that barr had made the point clear that he doesn't need to get involved in this. but trump demands loyalty from all those who work for him. and so this is another example of him dehe ma manding loyalty r them to be very public in their support for him. >> 30 hours of testimony mcgahn gave to the mueller team. doesn't seem like he wants to give much more chit-chat about all...
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don mcgahn remained for 18 months. now, if he thought that this was a debt of corruption, why didn't he leave? so all i'm saying is -- >> isn't the only difference that those orders from the president were not carried out by the president's aides in this case? in other words, they thought he was issuing orders. the only reason the folks didn't get fired is because folks like don mcgahn said no? >> well, the president takes a different view. the president says, and i'm not defending the president. the president says i thought there was a conflict. and that's what should be explored. now, maybe the president's not telling the truth. and maybe he is. but it hasn't been tested. the one thing about the mueller report that people are missing is i think they're a terrific group of lawyers, not a witch hunt, but they're prosecutors. prosecutors give one side of something. they're not judge, jury, and executioner. let me say one quick thing. in the four-page summary, if you want to call it that, that the attorney general wrote,
don mcgahn remained for 18 months. now, if he thought that this was a debt of corruption, why didn't he leave? so all i'm saying is -- >> isn't the only difference that those orders from the president were not carried out by the president's aides in this case? in other words, they thought he was issuing orders. the only reason the folks didn't get fired is because folks like don mcgahn said no? >> well, the president takes a different view. the president says, and i'm not defending...
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i think don mcgahn is in a tough spot. he's being tugged between two co-equal branches of government. being given orders by two branches of government. the oddity, someone in that situation might actually show up, the hearing for the subpoena. but simply say, i can't say anything. the fact he didn't show up is one of the things that angered democrats the most. and the next step is the court system. that will go to the legal system in the court. that takes a long time. it's more like months or years than days or weeks. >> it's the white house making the system work for it. michael shear, thank you for joining us and analys analysis. >>> the white house mazz behas putting out mixed messages about iran. it is trying to convince u.s. lawmakers it has a strategy that will work to diffuse growing tensions. recent actions have deterred attacks on u.s. troops. take a listen. >> our biggest focus is to prevent iranian miscoalculation. we don't want the situation to escalate. we're not about going to war. lawmakers agree. but democr
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. >> i never told don mcgahn to fire mueller. if i wanted to fire mueller, i would have done it myself. >> this news will spark a new push for house democrats to get mueller as well as mcgahn to testify. tonight judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler sent this tweet saying this is why it is critical for mr. mcgahn to come before our committee and answer questions for the american people. the president cannot keep mcgahn from testifying. nadler says he's negotiating with mueller but it is unlikely mueller will testify next week. nadler added this earlier today. >> he will come at some point, if necessary we'll subpoena him and he'll come. >> meanwhile another house committee is using subpoena power to dial up the heat on the administration. treasury secretary steven mnuchin who has refused to hand over six years of trump's tax returns, he received a subpoena today from the chairman of the house ways and means committee. the irs commissioner also received a subpoena. these moves come just days after the "new york times" reported
. >> i never told don mcgahn to fire mueller. if i wanted to fire mueller, i would have done it myself. >> this news will spark a new push for house democrats to get mueller as well as mcgahn to testify. tonight judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler sent this tweet saying this is why it is critical for mr. mcgahn to come before our committee and answer questions for the american people. the president cannot keep mcgahn from testifying. nadler says he's negotiating with mueller...
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. >>> plus, democratic calls for impeachment are growing after former white house council don mcgahn defied a congressional subpoena. >>> and the state department says the syria may be renewing it's use of chemical weapons citing an attack. good morning, everybody, it's wednesday, may 22nd. i'm yasmin vossoughian. geoff bennett who has been helping us out is himself on investigation. and on the virginia governor northam medical school yearbook. he's going to have that tonight on nbc and "nightly news." >>> we're going to start with a draft reviewing that president trump's tax returns must be given to congress unless he asserts executive privilege. the memo contradicts the justice department's justification for denying house democrats' requests for the president's tax returns. trump has refused to turn over six years of returns but not invoked executive privilege yet, and treasury secretary steven mnuchin has denied the request, arguing that legislators have no legislative purpose for demanding them. however, according to the ten-page irs memo, the disclosure of it returns to the comm
. >>> plus, democratic calls for impeachment are growing after former white house council don mcgahn defied a congressional subpoena. >>> and the state department says the syria may be renewing it's use of chemical weapons citing an attack. good morning, everybody, it's wednesday, may 22nd. i'm yasmin vossoughian. geoff bennett who has been helping us out is himself on investigation. and on the virginia governor northam medical school yearbook. he's going to have that tonight...
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>> i mean, don mcgahn should testify. he is being sent a message from congress, if not told, you need to show up. don mcgahn doesn't work as an employee of the white house anymore. he really should go and testify. he's represented by counsel who should advise him on what he should or should not do. but weather don mcgahn thinks mcgahn's interpretation could be an interpretation. we as lawyers look at facts and look at evidence, and we can basically spin it the way that we want to. but donald trump p to me that's black and white. it clearly shows that don mcgahn was sent as an emissary for donald trump to get rid of robert mueller, and he did not want robert mueller to do his job. >> and there was a point when mcgahn was considering publicly protecting trump from obstruction of justice claims, but then refused after the mueller report was released? what are you hearing? >> i think donald trump is caught in a pincher here. he does not want to damage his own reputation, he does not want to anger president trump, but he doesn
>> i mean, don mcgahn should testify. he is being sent a message from congress, if not told, you need to show up. don mcgahn doesn't work as an employee of the white house anymore. he really should go and testify. he's represented by counsel who should advise him on what he should or should not do. but weather don mcgahn thinks mcgahn's interpretation could be an interpretation. we as lawyers look at facts and look at evidence, and we can basically spin it the way that we want to. but...
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abby, what is the view from there on this fight over don mcgahn right now? >> well, kate, the white house definitely wants this to be a fight, but they're framing this in a slightly different way. they're sensitive in some ways to the perception this is about the president trying to stop don mcgahn from potentially embarrassing him in a testimony before capitol hill, but the white house is saying this is actually about presidential powers. sarah huckabee sanders, the white house press secretary, said in a statement that the order was taken to stop mcgahn in order to insure future presidents can effectively execute the responsibilities of the office of the presidency, and that's something that president trump himself reiterated when he spoke to reporters yesterday, but we should also note that president trump has personally attacked don mcgahn, basically calling him a liar, and we also know that the president's lawyers had tried to get mcgahn to put out statements publicly about what he told robert mueller. so this is clearly something the white house had wan
abby, what is the view from there on this fight over don mcgahn right now? >> well, kate, the white house definitely wants this to be a fight, but they're framing this in a slightly different way. they're sensitive in some ways to the perception this is about the president trying to stop don mcgahn from potentially embarrassing him in a testimony before capitol hill, but the white house is saying this is actually about presidential powers. sarah huckabee sanders, the white house press...
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they now want to know what white house counsel don mcgahn witnessed inside the white house. he revealed a lot to robert mueller, but this question -- will he reveal it to the american people? not if the president has his way. and here's abc's cecilia vega. >> reporter: he was the white house lawyer on the inside. the man who heard it all and took notes on everything. and today, the trump administration made it clear it does not want don mcgahn cooperating with congressional investigators, ordering him not to comply with a subpoena demanding his records from the mueller probe. democrats are enraged. >> every day, he's obstructing justice by saying this one shouldn't testify, that one shouldn't testify and the rest. >> reporter: mcgahn played a key role in the special counsel's investigation into whether president trump obstructed justice. cited more than any other witness in the mueller report, 157 times. he told report mueller's team the president repeatedly asked him to have mueller fired. mcgahn said he refused and also refused to lie about it later. and he documented it a
they now want to know what white house counsel don mcgahn witnessed inside the white house. he revealed a lot to robert mueller, but this question -- will he reveal it to the american people? not if the president has his way. and here's abc's cecilia vega. >> reporter: he was the white house lawyer on the inside. the man who heard it all and took notes on everything. and today, the trump administration made it clear it does not want don mcgahn cooperating with congressional investigators,...
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why didn't, do you believe, don mcgahn do that today? >> there's not much precedent. setting aside the example of watergate when it was an impeachment inquiry, criminal investigation, different sort of situation. there's been one district court ruling which chairman nadler alluded to about harriet miers tf testimony from the district court in d.c. that was quickly stayed by the d.c. circuit, and there was a settlement. that's why there's not much precedent and the supreme court has never ruled because these sorts of things tend to be worked out. there are cooperation agreements or a negotiation of some sort. but i don't think that one district court decision is really going to be deciding, particularly given this has been the accepted practice of administrations, all administrations of both parties going back decades. i'm sure we'll go to court. but it's not at all clear how that court will rule. there is a very strong argument that to allow the candid advice by senior advisers, the president can invoke this kind of testimonial immunity. >> thank you, ilya, thank you,
why didn't, do you believe, don mcgahn do that today? >> there's not much precedent. setting aside the example of watergate when it was an impeachment inquiry, criminal investigation, different sort of situation. there's been one district court ruling which chairman nadler alluded to about harriet miers tf testimony from the district court in d.c. that was quickly stayed by the d.c. circuit, and there was a settlement. that's why there's not much precedent and the supreme court has never...
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that they morning don mcgahn returned to the white house to discuss flynn again. on the second meeting he expressed doubts that the department of justice would bring a prosecution against flynn stating the white house did not want to take action that would interfere with an ongoing fbi investigation of the flynn. don mcgahn ended the meeting by asking gates to assess to the underlying information the department of justice possessed pertaining to flynn's discussion with kislyak. also january 27 the president called f.b.i. director comey and invited him to dinner that evening and before the dinner he told the president something like i don't talk about russia whatever you do and the president promised he would not talk about russia at the dinner. don mcgahn previously advised the president he should not communicate directly with the department of justice to avoid the perception of interference with law enforcement . the president learned about the presidents plans for dinner with comey and he said he and reince priebus should also attempt the president stated he wan
that they morning don mcgahn returned to the white house to discuss flynn again. on the second meeting he expressed doubts that the department of justice would bring a prosecution against flynn stating the white house did not want to take action that would interfere with an ongoing fbi investigation of the flynn. don mcgahn ended the meeting by asking gates to assess to the underlying information the department of justice possessed pertaining to flynn's discussion with kislyak. also january 27...
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don mcgahn is a key witness, democrats say, on obstruction. remember, don mcgahn sat for about 30 hours of interviews for robert mueller during that russia investigation let's take a listen to president trump speaking at a rally in pennsylvania last night. >> when the mueller report was finished, it says no collusion they went crazy. but you know what? they knew it they knew it it's all a game. it's not like they didn't know they knew there was no collusion. they're smart people everyone from schiff to nadler to schumer to pelosi, they all knew there was no collusion. >> reporter: the white house says the ex-counsel has immunity from any type of testimony granted in a legal decision made public on monday now, the chairman of the committee says he will seek to hold don mcgahn in contempt if in fact he doesn't show today, and we suspect and we expect that he will not phillip, back to zbyou. >> craig, thank you. >>> abortion rights protesters are expected to flood statehouses and courthouses today. more than 50 organizations including the aclu an
don mcgahn is a key witness, democrats say, on obstruction. remember, don mcgahn sat for about 30 hours of interviews for robert mueller during that russia investigation let's take a listen to president trump speaking at a rally in pennsylvania last night. >> when the mueller report was finished, it says no collusion they went crazy. but you know what? they knew it they knew it it's all a game. it's not like they didn't know they knew there was no collusion. they're smart people everyone...
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the last point i want to make is about don mcgahn. if you read the section here, 113 to 120 on don mcgahn's experience, the president wanted him to state publicly that the "new york times" article was untrue, that he had not asked mcgahn to fire the special counsel. mcgahn refused and there's speculation as to whether he risked being dismissed or even resigning over this issue. and for you to suggest that this was some sort of a dance with rod rosenstein, i think the president's intent here was very clear. he wanted this to end. he told lester holt, going back to the issue that was raised by the chairman earlier here, the reason to get rid of comey is because of the russian investigation. over and over again, the president was very explicit and certainly was very expository in his style. let me ask you this conclusion. my time is up. do you have any objections? can you think of an objection about why don mcgahn shouldn't come before this committee and testify about his experience? >> yes. i think he is a close adviser to the president
the last point i want to make is about don mcgahn. if you read the section here, 113 to 120 on don mcgahn's experience, the president wanted him to state publicly that the "new york times" article was untrue, that he had not asked mcgahn to fire the special counsel. mcgahn refused and there's speculation as to whether he risked being dismissed or even resigning over this issue. and for you to suggest that this was some sort of a dance with rod rosenstein, i think the president's...
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why not let don mcgahn testify? are you afraid of what he has to say? >> i think we have been the most transparent administration in the history of our country. the democrats want a redo and we've had enough. >> reporter: the president is continuing to take his case to his base. >> it should never be allowed to happen to another president again. ever. >> reporter: drawing a new twist on a familiar chant on his rallies. >> lock them up. lock them up. >> well, we have great new attorney general who will give it a very fair look. >> reporter: that attorney general william barr told the wall street journal he is sympathetic to the president's complaints he's been unfairly targeted adding i thought the rules were being changed to hurt trump and i thought it was damaging for the presidency over the long haul. the president is turning his attention to the campaign hitting joe biden in pennsylvania. >> don't forget, biden deserted you. he's not from pennsylvania. i guess he was born here but he left you, folks. he left you for another state. >> reporter: the re
why not let don mcgahn testify? are you afraid of what he has to say? >> i think we have been the most transparent administration in the history of our country. the democrats want a redo and we've had enough. >> reporter: the president is continuing to take his case to his base. >> it should never be allowed to happen to another president again. ever. >> reporter: drawing a new twist on a familiar chant on his rallies. >> lock them up. lock them up. >> well,...
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don mcgahn is currently following the white house line. he is taking their advice that he has essentially constitutional immunity from testifying before this committee. now another reason that people are putting forward is of course he no longer works for the white house, he left hisjob in october. he now works in private practice for a law firm but has close connections with the trump re—election campaign, it's been employed by them —— trump. but there are no reports that the trump there are no reports that the trump the election campaign is employing an in—house lawyer, taking business away from that room and there is some speculation that could be a form of punishment for what don mcgahn had to say in the molar investigation. he was a key witness for mueller, he was with interviewed some 30 times. the democrats want to get to the bottom of this question of whether donald trump did try to impede the investigation and put any pressure on mr mcgahn to fire mr mueller. so the democrats want to get to the bottom of this, the key ques
don mcgahn is currently following the white house line. he is taking their advice that he has essentially constitutional immunity from testifying before this committee. now another reason that people are putting forward is of course he no longer works for the white house, he left hisjob in october. he now works in private practice for a law firm but has close connections with the trump re—election campaign, it's been employed by them —— trump. but there are no reports that the trump there...
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>> don mcgahn does not have the legal right to disclose the documents. he does not have the legal right to see it. jerry nadler knows it. it's about putting politics prayed as he does mention, 99% of this report, unredacted, sit. a secure location. not one single democrat has gone to read it yet. it's because the democrats it don't care about getting information. they care about getting this president. it has been very clear from the start of this. the information that came out for everyone in this country to see and understand what's there is no collusion, no obstruction. they wanted it to be so true, they believed all the people on the democrat side and the media so they had evidence. stone cold proof that there was collusion with the president of the united states, a foreign government. proved not to be the case. no evidence, no proof. they pushed a lie on the american people for more than two years. i understand, why they don't want to come to that, they would be admitting the last two years of their life was a complete and total lie. the fact is thi
>> don mcgahn does not have the legal right to disclose the documents. he does not have the legal right to see it. jerry nadler knows it. it's about putting politics prayed as he does mention, 99% of this report, unredacted, sit. a secure location. not one single democrat has gone to read it yet. it's because the democrats it don't care about getting information. they care about getting this president. it has been very clear from the start of this. the information that came out for...
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but the democrats have not received all of the materials relating to don mcgahn. they haven't received his interview reports and so on that are cited in the mueller report. they can ask him questions. i think they will be able to, despite the white house's attempts to delay that or to ultimately try to block that. what questions are they going to ask him? i think they'll have to be very careful with the questions that they ask. i think the main fight is going to be over whether or not the interview reports, the notes of his conversations with the president and so far, are going to be turned over. >> all right. renato, lynn, thanks to both of you. thanks for rolling with it. >>> still ahead, russia, north korea, iran, president trump facing political pressure from across the globe. how can the president handle the growing conflicts now front and center on his agenda? >>> later, hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil spilling out near houston. it's the result of an oil tanker colliding with two barges. the latest on the damage and the cleanup efforts. last year, th
but the democrats have not received all of the materials relating to don mcgahn. they haven't received his interview reports and so on that are cited in the mueller report. they can ask him questions. i think they will be able to, despite the white house's attempts to delay that or to ultimately try to block that. what questions are they going to ask him? i think they'll have to be very careful with the questions that they ask. i think the main fight is going to be over whether or not the...
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don mcgahn is a pretty straightforward guy. this was a very serious investigation. i think it's unprecedented in what the president did. remember, i was the one that advocated not to fire people like comey. i said he had the right to do it. i thought just for the politics of it and get it out of the way. >> but the president says mcgahn lied. >> look, i think he got -- it's in the document. i think you've got to read the document. >> i've read it. >> i think the document is pretty straightforward. >> okay. a "new york times" report -- >> i think it's pretty straightforward. >> sorry, go ahead. >> you've got to read the document. that's what -- you know, mueller and these guys had months and months and months to put it together. read the document. i think the document is what it is. >> a "new york times" report from earlier this week showed the president hadn't paid federal income taxes for eight out of ten years, claimed it sport when he was claiming enormous losses to the irs. does that play well among blue collar workers where the president did very well and turne
don mcgahn is a pretty straightforward guy. this was a very serious investigation. i think it's unprecedented in what the president did. remember, i was the one that advocated not to fire people like comey. i said he had the right to do it. i thought just for the politics of it and get it out of the way. >> but the president says mcgahn lied. >> look, i think he got -- it's in the document. i think you've got to read the document. >> i've read it. >> i think the document...
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what the "washington journal" first reported, pressuring counsel don mcgahn. he declined a request that came after mueller filed his report. this is in addition to trump calling mcgahn twice to fire robert mueller before the report was even issued. then, too, when that happened, mcgahn refused. >>> also new on the political divide on this saturday, trump attorney rudy giuliani rethinking his trip to rue cain after criticism he was going not on affairs of state but to boost political damage on democrats. >> i'm not going to go because i think i'm walking into a group of people that are enemies of the president. in some cases enemy of the united states to remove any political suggestion. >> okay. >> i will step back, and i'll just watch it unfold. >> all right. bring in our panel. "new york times" washington correspondent msnbc political analyst peter baker. author of "the washington post power up newsletter." hill seen jer staff writer, and former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquade. peter, start with a report from your paper. this is, again,
what the "washington journal" first reported, pressuring counsel don mcgahn. he declined a request that came after mueller filed his report. this is in addition to trump calling mcgahn twice to fire robert mueller before the report was even issued. then, too, when that happened, mcgahn refused. >>> also new on the political divide on this saturday, trump attorney rudy giuliani rethinking his trip to rue cain after criticism he was going not on affairs of state but to boost...
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don mcgahn is ckoufefi number two. when you have donald trump saying mcgahn is a liar and he never ordered mcgahn to get rid of robert mueller, thereby obstructing an investigation, he created a serious he said/he said battle that needs to be played out in court or congress. >> following the refusal, can the white house commitment to block mcgahn from testifying before congress, ordering him not ko comply with his subpoena, in that case could it be considered witness tampering? >> i'm want trying to be melodramtic or alarmist about it. if you're trying to affect the outcome of someone testify, any of those that donald trump has been seek rektly been channelling information to, but dorn mcgahn is being savvy. he's saying, you know whattic, i'm going to let this battle play out between the house and the white house. maybe he ends up being collateral damage. we haven't heard publicly from mcgahn. nope. >> when it comes to the subpoenas, you have the stonewalling "the washington post" writing, if the president is able to r
don mcgahn is ckoufefi number two. when you have donald trump saying mcgahn is a liar and he never ordered mcgahn to get rid of robert mueller, thereby obstructing an investigation, he created a serious he said/he said battle that needs to be played out in court or congress. >> following the refusal, can the white house commitment to block mcgahn from testifying before congress, ordering him not ko comply with his subpoena, in that case could it be considered witness tampering? >>...
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in this case, they want to hear again from don mcgahn. as dana pointed out earlier, he testified for 30 hours. there was no executive privilege invoked in don mcgahn's testimony. so they want to rehash, they want to bring them out there, and they may give the opportunity to do just that. one other thing i thought was interesting that i wanted to bring up, bill, is that bill barr said he was curious about the fact that bob mueller kept interviewing people and kept doing more investigating after he had decided that he didn't intend to reach a conclusion on the issue of obstruction. i think that is something -- i'm hoping we will dig into it a little bit more as they go through the afternoon here. he also called out -- essentially, i think he was referring to brandon and clapper. he talked about high-level officials in the former administration who had created a high level of anxiety in the press about whether or not the president was in legal jeopardy, and that he wanted to put that to an end by putting out the initial conclusion of the pri
in this case, they want to hear again from don mcgahn. as dana pointed out earlier, he testified for 30 hours. there was no executive privilege invoked in don mcgahn's testimony. so they want to rehash, they want to bring them out there, and they may give the opportunity to do just that. one other thing i thought was interesting that i wanted to bring up, bill, is that bill barr said he was curious about the fact that bob mueller kept interviewing people and kept doing more investigating after...
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don mcgahn is so central. you're not, he's not the only one who talks about trump wanting to fire mueller, but he's a really central character to the mueller report. he was in the white house for most of the major episodes that mueller is investigating, and so clearly what trump is trying to do is discredit him. but i think you're right, it will have the opposite effect. there's no way that democrats are going to back off in their desire to get don mcgahn to sit down before those committees. >> and the president is already tweeting this morning. grievances about the legal investigation, saying they were spying on him. the fact check machines will have a lot of problem with these tweets but this is constant. when will we see don mcgahn and when will we see bob mueller? not settled, right? >> no, it's not. on friday i was talking to some of the democrats before they left for the weekend and they said it looks like mueller wasn't going to come on may 15th. they had hoped that he would be there to testify. negotia
don mcgahn is so central. you're not, he's not the only one who talks about trump wanting to fire mueller, but he's a really central character to the mueller report. he was in the white house for most of the major episodes that mueller is investigating, and so clearly what trump is trying to do is discredit him. but i think you're right, it will have the opposite effect. there's no way that democrats are going to back off in their desire to get don mcgahn to sit down before those committees....
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don mcgahn has passed up an opportunity to talk to his committee. redacted version of the mueller's report documented what he called alarming miss conduct an obstruction of justice by the president. others disagree with that. donnellson and hicks were witnesses to this behavior and must be heard from. we'll have more after this. op. turning 50 opens the door to a lot of new things... like now your doctor may be talking to you about screening for colon cancer. luckily there's me, cologuard. the noninvasive test you use at home. it all starts when your doctor orders me. then it's as easy as get, go, gone. you get me when i'm delivered... right to your front door and in the privacy of your own home. tafter that, i'm gone, shipped to the lab for dna testing that finds colon cancer and precancer. cologuard is not right for everyone. it is not for high risk individuals, including those with a history of colon cancer or precancer. ibd, certain hereditary cancer syndromes, or a family history of colon cancer. maybe i'll be at your door soon! ask your doctor
don mcgahn has passed up an opportunity to talk to his committee. redacted version of the mueller's report documented what he called alarming miss conduct an obstruction of justice by the president. others disagree with that. donnellson and hicks were witnesses to this behavior and must be heard from. we'll have more after this. op. turning 50 opens the door to a lot of new things... like now your doctor may be talking to you about screening for colon cancer. luckily there's me, cologuard. the...
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don mcgahn, white house counsel was supposed to be going. they subpoenaed him and they have more questions about whether or not he was asked to obstruct justice, basically, and he has decided that he will not go. here is his rationale and i want to hear your thoughts on this. his lawyers say that he is, quote, facing contradictory instructions from two co-equal branches of government, so meaning the president is telling him not to go, congress is telling him he must go and subpoenaing him. he is deciding to go with the president. is there any legal path for what was right here? >> well, i mean, i certainly think he's getting good legal advice. i don't think that is an unreasonable position for his lawyers to take. what he's saying is let the courts sort it out. let -- i mean, because what's going to happen here is he's going to be held in contempt and one side or the other is going to go to court to try to resolve the question. mcgahn is in a sort of impossible situation now and he is going to wait for guidance from the courts. i think -- an
don mcgahn, white house counsel was supposed to be going. they subpoenaed him and they have more questions about whether or not he was asked to obstruct justice, basically, and he has decided that he will not go. here is his rationale and i want to hear your thoughts on this. his lawyers say that he is, quote, facing contradictory instructions from two co-equal branches of government, so meaning the president is telling him not to go, congress is telling him he must go and subpoenaing him. he...
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trump says that didn't happen. >> i never told don mcgahn to fire mueller. if i wanted to fire mueller, i would have done it myself. >> so, melanie, has the white house actually done anything wrong here? >> that's a really great question. >> i would say when it comes to asking mcgahn to deny this publicly, it doesn't do anything illegal. but it doesn't look good for the administration. and democrats want him to answer to this. it will be a top priority for democrats going forward. now, they will have a new line of questioning. what did the president ask you to do? and there's a long pattern in history in this mueller report, of the president to step in and try to have influence over the probe. >> two things here. mcgahn has declined to cooperate with the congressional subpoena he's received. he's doing what the white house is asking him to do and not transfer i transferring documents to congress. to that extent he is cooperating with the white house. secondly, what mcgahn thinks of obstruction of justice, doesn't carry legal weight. >> that's right. wh he sa
trump says that didn't happen. >> i never told don mcgahn to fire mueller. if i wanted to fire mueller, i would have done it myself. >> so, melanie, has the white house actually done anything wrong here? >> that's a really great question. >> i would say when it comes to asking mcgahn to deny this publicly, it doesn't do anything illegal. but it doesn't look good for the administration. and democrats want him to answer to this. it will be a top priority for democrats...
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don mcgahn the key witness. he was asked, he was directed by the president to do something that was unauthorized, illegal, and to lie about it to the records and to investigators. and so congress has no choice. and of course, we can't live in a society in which the president is above the law, above inquiry. the constitution allows congress to investigate the president's high crimes and misdemeanors. don mcgahn will have to provide testimony if congress is going to be able to discharge that duty. >> jonathan, the white house has clearly set upon a strategy where they have found lawyers, the president has finally found, as he said, he's finally found his pit bull as an attorney general, who doesn't care about the law, who commits perjury before united states congress, and who sends out letters claiming executive privilege where that executive privilege does not exist. so talk about -- take us 30,000 feet and give us a bird's eye view of exactly what this white house house's strategy is moving forward. >> it's a fe
don mcgahn the key witness. he was asked, he was directed by the president to do something that was unauthorized, illegal, and to lie about it to the records and to investigators. and so congress has no choice. and of course, we can't live in a society in which the president is above the law, above inquiry. the constitution allows congress to investigate the president's high crimes and misdemeanors. don mcgahn will have to provide testimony if congress is going to be able to discharge that...
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what's the risk here for don mcgahn? >> well, he is caught a little bit between a rock and a hard place. he has been subpoenaed to appear and he must appear, and yet the trump administration is directing him not to. as a private citizen, he is not obliged to obey the orders of the trump administration. and so i predict that in the end, he'll show up. but the executive privilege would still exist as to things for which is properly covered, but it's going to be a very limited area. >> barbara mcquade, thank you. hallie jackson, double duty here for us. >> love seeing you. >> thank you, as well. >>> with us now, california democrat congresswoman zoe loftgren, member of the judiciary committee. she was just inside that room. congresswoman, thanks for your time. let's just start with next steps here. do you support opening an impeachment inquiry? >> well, i think that's kind of beside the point at this point. it wouldn't advance our effort to get the testimony that we're seeking one bit at all. so i think we need to proceed i
what's the risk here for don mcgahn? >> well, he is caught a little bit between a rock and a hard place. he has been subpoenaed to appear and he must appear, and yet the trump administration is directing him not to. as a private citizen, he is not obliged to obey the orders of the trump administration. and so i predict that in the end, he'll show up. but the executive privilege would still exist as to things for which is properly covered, but it's going to be a very limited area. >>...
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if you were able to testify why couldn't don mcgahn? >> well i was called to testify before the senate watergate committee during pat gray's confirmation to become the director of the fbi. he was the acting director at the time. the senate judiciary committee held him in hostage unless i agreed to come up and testify and i was perfectly willing to go. but the president said absolutely not. there are two privileges involved, executive privilege and attorney/client so i knew his thinking on this pretty well. but i -- that was not -- that was very much when i broke rank with the white house and i realized there is no way, unless they go to court, and get a court order, can they stop me testifying. and then you raise the issue of whether there is an exception because of the so-called crime fraud exemption. if we were discussing criminal matters which i believe we were that would not give any privilege at all. so i don't think any president wants to raise that. and i think that comes right around into the mcgahn situation. >> but what is so
if you were able to testify why couldn't don mcgahn? >> well i was called to testify before the senate watergate committee during pat gray's confirmation to become the director of the fbi. he was the acting director at the time. the senate judiciary committee held him in hostage unless i agreed to come up and testify and i was perfectly willing to go. but the president said absolutely not. there are two privileges involved, executive privilege and attorney/client so i knew his thinking on...
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he's saying that there is nothing more for don mcgahn to say. i also thought it was interesting something else that he said, he said i can't let him testify -- him being don mcgahn -- and not let other people testify as well. so the president is basically referring there to this idea that it's not just going to be don mcgahn, that he is worried that it's going to be don mcgahn and then it's going to be all these other white house officials who they encouraged to testify as part of this probe being dragged before congress to give testimony and he wants to stop all of them from testifying. so i think that he is making it clear that he can't allow don mcgahn to be the one person who goes forward because then it will be harder for him to say no to all the others, and his lawyer emmet flood is backing him up by writing this letter that takes issue with the entirety of the second volume of the mueller report. the obstruction portion, he's basically saying the obstruction portion was ill conceived from the beginning and not to mention all of the underl
he's saying that there is nothing more for don mcgahn to say. i also thought it was interesting something else that he said, he said i can't let him testify -- him being don mcgahn -- and not let other people testify as well. so the president is basically referring there to this idea that it's not just going to be don mcgahn, that he is worried that it's going to be don mcgahn and then it's going to be all these other white house officials who they encouraged to testify as part of this probe...
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all of what if don mcgahn wants to testify. i asked john, how did he testify in the face of these issues? and he just said, i showed up and testified. now don mcgahn may show up and testify. >> you asked for a subpoena? >> i did ask for a subpoena. >> but -- but the white house couldn't stop you. i mean, they -- they wouldn't -- didn't want you to testify, did they? >> they did not, but we wanted to test -- we wanted a subpoena so that it was required i be there and hopefully set a precedent that if you get a subpoena, you've got to honor it, even if the white house doesn't want you there. >> mcgahn is a loyal republican. he's loyal to the conservative cause if not to trump in particular so i doubt he's going to show up -- he's going to show up tomorrow, at least until this plays out a little more. but, you know, he is risking contempt and, you know, as a lawyer, as a serious person, he probably does not want to be held in contempt, but that's his only choice. >> but he could essentially play it out with the white house, let th
all of what if don mcgahn wants to testify. i asked john, how did he testify in the face of these issues? and he just said, i showed up and testified. now don mcgahn may show up and testify. >> you asked for a subpoena? >> i did ask for a subpoena. >> but -- but the white house couldn't stop you. i mean, they -- they wouldn't -- didn't want you to testify, did they? >> they did not, but we wanted to test -- we wanted a subpoena so that it was required i be there and...
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and mike schmidt whose byline is on that report willing about don mcgahn's documents. what are you reporting about the white house posture about don mcgahn's testimony and availing himself and his documents to congress? >> well, the white house is basically saying, hey, the documents that mcgahn has are ours, they're protected by executive privilege and congress, you need to come through us, you can't go to mcgahn, it's a legalistic thing that's not important to the larger picture, which is the fact that here's another impediment in the way of democrats. this is something that's going to slow down their ability to get new information, to get things to investigate, they want to use the mueller report as a launching off point to look at these issues about abuse of power, witness tampering. when the white house says that the witnesses can't talk they're in a difficult spot, where do they turn? they have mueller and the report. and they don't have a mcgahn to sit down and talk to before congress. how will they handle mcgahn's testimony. the white house will try to stop tha
and mike schmidt whose byline is on that report willing about don mcgahn's documents. what are you reporting about the white house posture about don mcgahn's testimony and availing himself and his documents to congress? >> well, the white house is basically saying, hey, the documents that mcgahn has are ours, they're protected by executive privilege and congress, you need to come through us, you can't go to mcgahn, it's a legalistic thing that's not important to the larger picture, which...
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. >> why are you asking don mcgahn to -- >> well, as i understand it, they're doing that for the office of the presidency for future presidents. i think it's a very important precedent and the attorneys say that they're not doing that for me. they're doing that for the office of the president so we're talking about the future. yes, go ahead. [ inaudible question ] >> -- financial records -- >> we disagree with that ruling. it's crazy because you look at it. this never happened to any other president. they're trying to get a redo. trying to get what we used to call in school a do-over and if you look, you know, we had no collusion, we had no obstruction. we had no nothing. the democrats were very upset with the mueller report as perhaps they should be, but, i mean the country is very happy about it because there was never anything like that. they're trying to get a do-over or redo. you can't do that as far as the financials are concerned it's totally the wrong decision by obviously an obama appointed judge. he was a recent obama appointed judge. >> mr. president -- [ inaudible question ]
. >> why are you asking don mcgahn to -- >> well, as i understand it, they're doing that for the office of the presidency for future presidents. i think it's a very important precedent and the attorneys say that they're not doing that for me. they're doing that for the office of the president so we're talking about the future. yes, go ahead. [ inaudible question ] >> -- financial records -- >> we disagree with that ruling. it's crazy because you look at it. this never...