we talked a little bit about artificial intelligence tonight. here's a shout out to human intelligence. you can find me online at arimelber on facebook, twitter, or tiktok. and when we upload tiktoks, i can't say it's always intelligent, but it is 100% human, if you're into humans. thanks for spending time with us tonight. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> can you envision a scenario where trump manages to win back

the white house and justice is delayed? >> i could. i don't want to, but i could. i mean, it's a crazy world that donald trump has dragged this country into, but he could be wearing an ankle bracelet while accepting the nomination at the republican convention. former fbi director jim comey describing a very real scenario as trump lawyers meet with the doj. and with the grand jury in the classified documents case set to meet this week. also, if trump is indicted, what are the national security ramifications when trump inevitably asks his maga faithful to avenge him? also tonight, aj owens was a loving mother of four. friday night, she was shot dead in ocala, florida. the sheriff calls it a neighborhood feud. but the family says it was a completely unjustified shooting, and they are demanding justice. members of the owens family join me tonight for their first interview. we begin "the reidout" tonight with what could prove to

be a consequential week in the special counsel's investigation into donald trump's mishandling of classified documents. it started out with members of trump's legal team meeting with justice department officials for nearly two hours at doj headquarters in washington this morning. the "wall street journal" reports that trump's lawyers were trying to persuade doj officials against bringing criminal charges against their client. according to people familiar with the matter. and while trump's legal team last month requested a meeting with attorney general merrick garland over what they called the ongoing injustice that is being perpetrated by the special counsel, we're told neither garland nor deputy attorney general lisa monaco attended today's meeting. sitting down with trump's lawyers was special counsel jack smith. timing is very interesting. as nbc news has learned the grand jury hearing evidence in this case is expected to meet later this week, following a weeks-long hiatus, according to

multiple people familiar with the investigation. that meeting could be to hear new evidence or witness testimony or to vote on potential charges. it's the latest sign special counsel jack smith could be closing in on a decision about whether or not to seek an indictment. if trump were to be indicted it would be the first time a former president has been charged with a federal crime. trump already holds the dubious distinction of being the only former president to be charged with a state crime related to the hush money payments made to adult film actress stormy daniels. you'll be shocked, shocked, to learn that the twice impeached former president isn't too thrilled about adding this to his roster of firsts. just 25 minutes after his lawyers left justice department headquarters, trump posted one of his signature all cap social media posts claiming how can doj possibly charge me who did nothing wrong. he then went on to deflect attention to former candidates and he closes by calling it the greatest witch hunt of all time.

while trump wants to maintain his witch hunt narrative about the very by the books investigation, it hasn't stopped federal prosecutors from collecting real evidence that appears to implicate trump in federal crimes. what would actually happen if a former president were to be indicted for one or more federal crimes? joining me is renato mariotti, cohost of the it's complicated podcast. jill wine banks who served as an assistant watergate prosecutor. she's cohost of the sisters in law podcast, and katie benner, reporter for "the new york times" and msnbc contributor. thank you all for being here. i want to start by reading -- you know, let me start -- i want to go to you renato quickly, because the meeting itself, just listening all day to all of you brilliant former federal prosecutors tells me the meeting itself is evidence potentially of a potential indictment. is that right? >> that's right. this sort of meeting is usually

occurs very late in the process, joy. often, if not days, a week or two before an indictment, the defense is given an opportunity to try to persuade prosecutors not to indict. typically, a supervisor is there, in this case, jack smith. and the defense lays out their potential arguments. and it helps frankly the prosecutors understand in advance what the defense arguments are going to be, perhaps tweak their case in response to them, and occasionally, pretty rarely, they can convince the prosecutors not to charge. i wouldn't hold my breath here. >> and so you cannot read the meeting and jack smith being in the meeting as they're just meeting with trump to allay his fears, right? we should consider this to be the stage before indictment? >> that's right. i would expect an indictment within the next, you know, few weeks at this point. i don't think it will be in the next couple days but probably next week or the week after. >> okay.

and let me now just read a little bit from this "new york times" reporting. trump lawyer evan corcoran, my god, there are tapes. what is it, golly gee, there were tapes? i can't remember the exact tape. lordy, there are tapes. lordy, there are tapes. so lawyer evan corcoran, this is trump's lawyer. he apparently, i don't know if he was trying to write a book or recording things because of a future memoir he wanted to write, but he apparently took very detailed notes and narrated those notes into a recorder. and his narration, which now could become a part of this inquiry, mr. corcoran's recollections covered his initial meeting with mr. trump in may of last year to discuss a subpoena from the justice department seeking all classified materials in the former president's possession. itencompassed a search mr. corcoran undertook last june in response to the subpoena for any relevant records kept at mar-a-lago. after pleasantries, mr. trump

asked mr. corcoran if he had to comply with the subpoena. mr. corcoran told him, yeah, man, you do. jill wine banks, the fact that the attorney/client privilege was pierced in this case already because of the crime fraud exception, which you have seen a lot of smart prosecutors explain, if it's the commission of a crime, you don't get to use the he's my lawyer, he can't talk. what do you make of the fact that are tapes of him telling trump he can't keep the stuff, you have to give it back, this is at the stage where he's about to get his house searched? >> this is, again, an accumulation of evidence mounting to the point where i can't see how you can avoid an indictment. it has to go to trial. it has to be seen by a jury. you have a situation where you have the president on tape, we think. you know, i haven't heard the tape, but based on the

reporting, there's a tape where he is saying, i have a classified document so i can't show it to you, which means he knows, a, he has classified documents, and b, he can't show them to anybody and he hasn't declassified them. you have his lawyers saying you have to turn over everything that has been subpoenaed, and the subpoena was very broad. it encompassed all classified documents. and i should point out, all nonclassified presidential papers that are also the possession of the people, of the government, not of donald trump. so this shows his knowledge, his intent in keeping it, and then you have the fact that this is supposedly a document that is to rebut general milley and show that he was right, he donald trump, was right about the iran situation. that's really serious. that means it's at a classification level that is guaranteed to hurt the government and our security if

the information is released. and we hear the rustling of papers. we don't know, it could be he's just holding up a piece of paper. it could be he's lying and the paper he's discussing isn't about iran. we don't know. but isn't it a shame that we have a former president of the united states where we can't tell whether his best defense is i was lying and we would believe him because he lies so often, or whether it's actual proof he did it. it also undercuts any defense he had about it being, well, i didn't know i couldn't keep these, i didn't know i couldn't declassify them. and i did declassify them, so everything i had was declassified. this shows that that isn't true. so it really is damaging and compelling evidence that any jury even a jury of trump's supporters would be compelled to vote guilty on. >> let's go to andrew weissmann, wonderful and also brilliant andrew weissmann. so many great attorney friends

to talk to on this network. let me play him on the great nicolle wallace's show earlier today, talking about this case. >> there's no question, i think, that from everything we have heard that florida would be a place where all of the charges could be brought. and d.c., it's not clear that in washington, d.c. all of the charges could be brought, but i think some of them could be brought there. the other possibility is that the reason we're hearing about a florida grand jury is that it's not so much with respect to donald trump but it may be respect to other people. >> to which i said, florida? as i was listening to the show on sirius xm earlier today. let me read this "new york times" reporting, and it says the following. prosecutors are expected to question a new witness in front of a federal grand jury sitting in florida later this week, according to people familiar with the matter, at least one other witness has already appeared before the florida grand jury, which is separate from the one that has been

sitting for months in washington. it is not clear why a second grand jury is taking testimony in florida. katie benner, i am today old, maybe i have not -- there's such a blizzard of information, i somehow must have missed there was a florida grand jury. now there are two grand juries and it's possible as andrew weissmann was explaining, you know, the alleged crime of keeping the documents took place in florida. ipso facto, florida could be a factor. please explain this florida grand jury. >> i think you're muted. >> apologies for that. my dog was barking earlier. there is a case that if you're going to charge obstruction, you would want to do it in florida. it's where donald trump was sitting, he was at mar-a-lago. it's where the documents were found, where he was having discussions with people like his lawyers about potentially obstructing the investigation. so that was squarely in florida. and this wouldn't be the first time the justice department has

brought criminal charges against one person in two different venues. for example, we saw the paul manafort case, a case andrew weissmann would know better than anybody, they charged him both in virginia and washington, d.c. here you could see charges happen in two different venues. a person who is going to play a really key role in the decision of where to bring charges or whose office or reptdative from their office would play a key role would be the solicitor general's office. this is somebody who is an expert in looking at whether or not the justice department could get fouled up on appeal if somebody can bring a credible accusation that they were basically monkeying around and trying to shop the case to the most sympathetic jury. it's something you really don't want to do in something this sensitive, and it's something the justice department would be guarding against. they don't want to lose because it looks like they were doing something wrong. they want to be as by the book as possible. again, if you look at where this obstructive act happened, it makes sense that a florida grand jury would be looking at some of

these materials. >> one other quick question. we're all reading tea leaves at this moment. mike pence was quietly cleared by the justice department for the possession of classified documents. he announced he's filed to run for president. is that significant that they have cleared that case out of the way? does that mean anything? >> i think it is in a separate course, but i think one thing it's going do is it's certainly going to help with this comparison that trump's trying to do, conflating the pence case, the biden case, hillary clinton, anything he can where the word classified documents is included, he's trying to conflate that with this. even sometimes you use the word mishandling. here that's not a good label for this case where there's obstruction and willful retention of evidence. i think it's really a good comparison, it will be interesting to see how that plays out in the republican primary. >> last question to you, jill. this has kind of almost happened

before. richard nixon, you all, i know people cannot believe you look too young to even have been alive during the nixon situation, but you were a young prosecutor at the time, young and cute. you guyed would have indicted him. what would you have indicted him for, how would it have played out for that president had it gone through? >> if it had gone through, he would have been convicted in the same way if he hadn't resigned he would have been convicted by the senate on the charges of impeachment. we would have indicted him for obstruction of justice, would have been a main charge against him. many people on my team wanted to indict him while he was a sitting president. and i tried again to convince jaworski after he was out of office, after he resigned and before he was pardoned, he was just a former president. there is nothing, i think the office of legal counsel opinion is wrong and should be changed that you can indict a sitting

president, but there's nothing, nothing that says you can't indict a former president for a crime he committed in his office. >> what is your pin? got to know. >> justice. it's a department of justice pin. and because of the meeting today. >> renato mariotti, jill wine banks with her amazing pins, and the great katie benner, thank you. up next, the national security implications of a possible trump indictment. how will his gun lobbying cult-like followers react in the streets and on capitol hill? "the reidout" continues after this. we know patients are more than their disease. that's why, at novo nordisk, we've spent a hundred years developing treatments to help unlock humanity's full potential. these are the greats: people living with, thriving with — not held back by — disease. they motivate us to fight diabetes and obesity, rare diseases and cardiovascular conditions, for generations to come. so, everyone can meet their moment. because your disease doesn't define you.

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donald trump is unsurprisingly decompensating over his attorneys' meeting with justice department officials over the investigation into his mishandling of classified documents. with his social media rant asking how can the doj charge me on his truth social echo chamber. his meltdowns would be hilarious if we haven't seen what his supporters are capable. in an interview last september, he offered this warning over what might happen if he was indicted over classified documents. >> i think if it happened you would have problems in this country the likes of perhaps which we have never seen before. i don't think the people of the united states would stand for it. >> what kind of problems, mr. president? >> i think big problems. big problems. >> in that interview, trump also

claimed being indicted wouldn't stop him from running for president in 2024 and followed this warning from senator lindsey graham. >> if there's a prosecution of donald trump for mishandling classified information, after the clinton debacle which you preside over and did a hell of a good job, there would be riots in the streets. >> trump was so fond of lindsey's suggestion, he injected it on social media right into the veins of his biggest fans which is a recipe for disaster. what we saw play out on january 6th after he summoned a mob of supporters to lay siege to the capitol with his be there, be wild tweet. trump similarly tried to rile up supporters ahead of his indictment in manhattan in the hus money payment scheme, calling for protests to take our nation back and warning of death and destruction if he were to be charged. there was no violence following his indictment on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in new york.

with candidate trump now out on the trail, it could be a matter of time before he uses it as a bull horn to call for that kind of violence. joining me is frank figliuzzi, msnbc national security analyst. so great to talk with you, frank. the thing is, on the one hand, there has been a lesson learned by trump supporters who are prone to violence in all of these indictments for seditious conspiracy of oath keepers and proud boys. and also regular schmucks who are now spending time in jail and their lives have been destroyed. on the other hand, we have seen the power of his rhetoric. how concerned should we be that if trump is indicted, particularly by the feds, that we might see maga violence? >> yeah, this is a good news/bad news situation. as you said, no question errr seeing that the thousand, literally, 1,000 arrests so far with regard to january 6th and leadership of oath keepers and proud boys convicted of seditious conspiracy, that has

had a chilling effect. we see that in chat rooms. we see extremists, violent extremists saying i don't want to get arrested. this could be a setup, i'm not going. that's good news. the not so good news is that trump has already started to show us where he's going with this. he's already done several posts on his own social media, right, where he's saying hey, i'm a victim. they're not charging biden. they're not going to charge pence. they're charging only me, and you know, yada yada yada, i'm a victim. the concern for law enforcement now is the lone offender. they're already all over proud boys, oath keepers to the extent they can, because domestic terrorism law doesn't exist in the united states. but it's the lone offender that they can't control, they can't get out in front of, that concerns them with regard to inciting rhetoric by trump, by marjorie taylor greene, you name the far right extremist, that's the concern.

>> and you named marjorie taylor greene because she is not so great on being a congresswoman part of her life, but she's really good at propaganda and disinformation. she was on the twitters, on far right wing twitter this weekend tweeting a whole thread accusing -- she said this group, i want an investigation into who these people are. they're the patriot front. this group like the patriot front that marches in d.c., looks like a fed operation trying to create racism, white supremacy, and racial division where none exists. take your mask off, you coward. she tries to re-enforce her point that she's claiming that the patriot front and other white supremacist groups who are exactly what we see when we see them marching around, that they're feds. we have already seen fbi and other law enforcement targeted by maga people. if she somehow convinces people that the feds, the same people indicting trump, are also fake white supremacists and how

dangerous is that? >> indeed, my most recent column i wrote for msnbc daily addressing this very topic, which is the false flag, the constant claims now in unison like it's a strategy that any hate based crime, any hate based group is somehow staged or comprised of federal agents. there's a strategy here, joy. and it's going to allow them, if and when trump is indicted, to say look, we told you, the federal government makes stuff up, and they have made up these charges against our guy, trump. so don't believe a word. and again, the concern as you said, we have already had a man in cincinnati, ohio, who tried to shoot up the reception area of the fbi field office there, who ended up dead in a corn field in ohio. that's the concern. and don't forget, the focus will be on the fbi. it will be an fbi agent, if trump is indicted, who tells the former president, i have a warrant for your arrest. it will be an fbi agent who reads in his miranda rights. that's going to be the focus of

their ire, and it's a concern. >> let me play a little bit, from the january 6th hearings. this is some of the oath keepers on their walkie-talkies talking about harming members of congress. here it is. >> cnn just said that they evacuated all members of congress to a safety room. >> there's no safe place in the united states for any of these [ bleep ] right now. >> trump just tweeted, please support our capitol police. they are on our side. do not harm them. >> that's saying a lot by what he didn't say. he didn't say not to do anything to the congressmen. >> this gives me two concerns. number one is the way in which maga people have made being his followers their identity. this isn't just a political proclivity. it's their identity. second being they feel in their

mind they're taking direction from him. even though they didn't show up in new york, indictment by the feds is different. everything gets combined. your thoughts. >> yeah, right. the manhattan d.a. thing is about hush money and the allegation had to do with prior to him being president. this gets closer and closer to trump's presidency and ultimately there's a grand jury sitting as we know about january 6th and trump also that we haven't heard from. so this is going to get dicy, and the other thing, joy, that we haven't even talked about with regard to national security and the trump indictment is the foreign element here. i fully expect our adversaries, specifically russia, to come out in force on social media and start using the rhetoric that trump and others are using to incite people, pit them against each other, we're really going to see a free-for-all on social media. i don't think social media is equipped to deal with it, twitter particularly.

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last friday, around 9:00 p.m., aj owens, a mother of four, was shot and killed by an unidentified woman in ocala, florida. according to civil rights attorney ben crump who is now representing the owens family, aj's children, who are 3 to 12 years old, were playing in a field next to an apartment complex when a 58-year-old white woman allegedly began yelling at them to get off her land and calling thel racial slurs. according to crump's statement, the children left, but accidentally left behind an ipad, which the woman took. when one of the kids tried to retrieve it, the woman threw it, hitting the boy and cracking the screen. ms. owens walked across the street to speak to the woman. crump's office said when she knocked on the door, the neighbor shot her throw the closed front door. the bullet holes shown here in photos provided by crump's law firm. owens was shot and later

pronounced dead at the hospital. the shooter responsible has not yet been identified, arrested, or charged. the family held an emotional news conference today to demand answers and importantly, an arrest. the marion county sheriff's office also head a press conference today. they did not confirm or deny the account, but they did say that they know who the shooter is. there had apparently been an ongoing feud between the shooter and owens about her children. the sheriff also shared that when owens came to the shooter's door, there was a heated exchange before owens was shot through the door. at least two of the children may have witnessed the shooting. joining me now in their first interview is pamela diaz, the mother of aj owens, aj's son, isaac williams, and ben crump, the attorney representing the family. thank you all for being here. and i am so sorry for your loss. i have been sick about this all day, to be honest, since i heard about it this morning. so i'm so sorry for your loss. i want to just make sure that i

got all of those details correct, ms. diaz. is there anything you want to correct about the way i told the story? >> thank you, joy, for the opportunity to speak with you. i would like to say that yes, there was an ipad left behind. my grandson did go back to retrieve it. the woman, susan, did have it, the white woman, susan, had it, would not give it back to my grandson. an item was thrown at him. he went home to tell his mother, as any normal child would do. a parent of any child hearing such news would go to the adult's home to ask what happened. she simply knocked on the door. the woman shot her through the closed door with her son, 9

years old, standing next to her. >> let me ask you about the -- >> yes. >> i'm sorry, go on. >> my daughter did as i said, any parent would do. went to talk to the adult to find out why she had his belongings. why she through items at her child. she simply knocked on the door. was unarmed, no weapons. just wanted answers, wanted to speak to another adult regarding the incident involving her 9-year-old son. who was standing next to her. >> and let me ask you about this, because the sheriff has tried to portray this as a feud. but these are little kids. you know, these are babies that are playing, what kids are supposed to do. it is your understanding that

this woman called the children racial slurs? >> absolutely. >> i'm assuming i know what racial slur you mean. >> the n-word. slaves, other profanity. b words, you name it. this was not the first incident. this has happened numerous times. >> let me go to you, ben. because i lived in florida for a long time. i have had to knock on and ring the doorbells of neighbors for, you know, issues regarding our kids that seems like the most normal thing that a mom would do if there's ever a problem, our kids would get me or their dad and we would talk to the neighbor. that's the normal way the world is supposed to work. now in florida, you have stand your ground. and i can't imagine kids could trick or treat in florida now because it's too terrifying because there are people who would shoot anybody they see coming at their door or on their

driveway. how is it possible, though, with the door closed this woman can have access to the stand your ground law? how can you say you're standing your ground when there's a closed door between you and the woman, the mom, standing outside your door with a 9-year-old child? >> joy reid, it is asinine when they try to justify this unjustifiable killing of this mother of four who was killed in front of her children. i mean, it is heartbreaking on every level. and the fact that they have not arrested this killer is appalling. we know, attorney thomas and i talked about if the roles were reversed, there is no way they could tell us they would not have arrested a black woman for shooting a white woman through her door. she could have called 911. she could have did 100 other things, joy reid, than to use deadly force.

and it is unacceptable. and we can't send this message that this is okay in america to shoot black people for ringing doorbells like ralph yarl in kansas city or now like aj owens in ocala, florida. the wrong message, america. >> ms. diaz, tell me about your daughter. tell me what she was like. >> my daughter was an amazing mom. she lived for her children. she was active, she was a cheer mom. she was a football mom. she sent her children, she made sacrifices so they could attend private school. she was a manager in the hospitality industry, the restaurant industry. honestly, i don't even know how she did it. she's amazing testament to all mothers in this world.

>> yeah. and isaac, sweetie, i know you miss your mom. but she seemed like an amazing person. you don't have to say anything if you don't want to, but she seemed like she was very cool. and so i'm so sorry. i'm so, so, so sorry. mom, what is going to happen with these beautiful children? >> i am going to be the primary caregiver for these children. currently, i reside out of state. i am relocating to ocala so that i can continue -- the children can continue with a sense of normalcy so that they can be in their hometown amongst their friends and attend their same school. i just want them to have the life that their mother dreamed

for them, that was trying to provide for them. >> well, thank god for awesome moms, awesome grandmas like you, pamela. god bless you. sweet isaac, god bless you. sweetheart, and ben, we are literally turning bullying into murder. in the state of florida now allows unlicensed people to carry guns and turn karening and bullying and the bullying of children into murder. it is inconceivable to me that this is not immediately considered an arrestable crime. i'm disgusted, disgusted and sick about it. and about my former state where my children lived, unbelievable. please keep us up to date, ben. will you keep us up to date on what's happening? >> absolutely. let's say her name on the same day that breonna taylor and tyre nichols would have been 30 years old had they not been taken from this earth unnecessarily.

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>> the idea that we have biological voices playing in girl sports's woman's issues of our time. biden ran track in high school and i don't even know to have that conversation.

how are we supposed to get the roads used to the fact that biological girls are in their locker rooms. and then we wonder why a third of our teenage girls seriously contemplated suicide last year. >> it is a woman's issue of our time? okay that was a deeply dangerous entirely false statement, from one of the candidates for president and nikki haley. first of, all there is zero evidence that kids playing or using the bathroom or the joint of the identified as or playing the sports of the job they defy with is responsible for a rising teenage girls contemplated suicide. the founder of columbia clinic for anxiety said that if she cared about kids -- worry about hate being properties against their peers, gun violence clip and political unrest in the. u.s. there has not been pervasive mention of teenage girls anxious about sports and in fact in 2021 there were about 42,000 children who died

diagnosed with gender dysphoria. 42,000. that is a miniscule percentage of the 73 million children in america. and it is the lgbtq+ population that nikki haley should be focused on, if you concerned about teenage suicide. they found that 45% of lgbtq youth seriously considered attempting suicide at the last year, including more than half of transgender and non-binary youth. but beyond how offensive the statement was it has a glaring political purpose say that this is the most pressing issue for -- allowing them to size up the huge problem of how americans feel about their seizure of women's bullet on a beat by banning abortion. joining me now is kelly robinson, president lehman rights campaign. thank you for being here so the many reasons we want to have you back on. it is a year old job used to be planned parenthood. you've literally been to the cross section of the few things

i want to talk about. i've written two words in the commercial break before this. deflection and control. there are two things behind this nikki haley thing. she comes from a state that had a six-week abortion ban. your doctor would be arrested for cutting abortion. but she says that the most important issue is not that. it is trans girls in the track locker room. your thoughts? >> you are exactly right. this is political theater and it is dangerous. what she is doing by spreading this type of horrific misinformation and lies about the trans community is going to lead to rely violence. this is where we're seeing one in five of her hate crimes being targeted towards the lgbtq+ community. this is why we see armed people and drag queens story hours and pediatricians having to get our walk to their cars by armed guards. because of the culture of the violence they are creating. and i will say this. if you want to talk about the issues that should have talked

about them. if you look at her record in south carolina she has not done the job necessary to create the kind of vision where people can be safer. south carolina is at the bottom of the list for education and gun violence. these are the issues that people really care about. that is the crisis facing americans. >> and if we want to talk about teenage girls, these are the same people who say that a ten year old girl ought to be forced to give birth. let us go to my second thing which is control. these are the people who say they're putting a mask on my body, my, body my choice, you are destroying my. liberty by making the pass a baby out of my body and to say that you are going to tell me that my kids cannot get this particular type of health care, that eye is an adult cannot get this particular type of health care, which is gender affirming care, i know that you don't like the people are getting gender affirming care but how is that your business? when you say that somebody coughing on you with covid, that is not your business. these people want to control peoples literal bodies in the

complaint than a mask over their bodies's tyranny. your thoughts? >> the hypocrisy of lies are just astounding at this point. coming from nikki haley, but it is coming from the whole republican party it is pandering to extremists, extremist maga voters. there is a reason that the same people banning gender affirming care are the same lines behind abortion bans. the same people banning lgbtq+ and studies in the schools are the same ones banning black history from being taught. they're launching an intersectional attack on all of our identities. and the goal is not to keep people safe. the goal is power and control. because they know that ultimately they are losing, they are out of step with the majority of americans who support every one of the issues that we're talking about. >> these are the people who want twitter to be a bully escape. they want twitter to polite people more. social media is what is making kids feel suicidal in insecure. our girls in locker rooms are worried about being bullied.

they are worried about being bullies of the school, not trans kids. let me look at a couple of the polls here. which party bass river since your views on apportions? democratic party 42%, neither party 32%, republican party down to 26%. voters who would only vote for a candidate who shares our views on abortion or 30% of all voters. but 46% of democratic voters and 35% of women voters. so more forgave marriage. transgender mares support, high. the only place where republicans are new majority position boom. on issues relating to trans girls playing sports. they are using this because you are great intersectional gassed to distract from abortion. because they did not give a dam about this, literally a year ago. >> that is exactly right and they also know that they're losing out on things like same-sex marriage. they are out of step in and of touch. i think the biggest thing is that there are children brought back right now and that one in

five gen z eight and five as a member of the lgbtq community. not only, that 70% of all people in the u.s. believes it's trans people should be and must be protected from discrimination. this is a moral crisis for all of us. it is incumbent upon every person watching this play out to reject their lies and violent ideology and stand up for our kids. >> what you said is so. important if it is 20% of gen z wouldn't arise lgbtq, you know what that means? they cannot access those of others. that's why they want to punch. them they are punishing the people they can never get to vote for them. because they cannot stand them and they don't relate to them. and they are hateful and pooch. kelly, act button on myself because i believe. it kelly robinson, thank you. that is a nice readout. >> tonight on all in. >> never wait to take stuff. you know the into the paying richard nixon?