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what he's saying about jack smith and this type of probe. take a look. >> they're breaking every law to persecute us. it's been one witch hunt and phony investigation after another. these are ridiculous indictments. the single greatest witch hunt of all time. it's all run by the doj. it's crooked stuff. they're crooked people. deranged jack smith. they had no -- i got four indictments. >> is he right or wrong? >> i mean, the way i see it, if these were his personal -- personal documents and -- or he's allowed to have these by the pra, why would you need to ask questions about video footage? why would you possibly move the documents when they are coming to retrieve them? to me it just doesn't make any sense. on top of that, why would you put two lower level employees in the position they're in if you did nothing wrong and these are your own -- these are your personal documents? >> so you're saying that in the way that he acted, trying to hide, and the people that he brought into it, you think you observed part of a coverup? >> i -- i -- i thi
what he's saying about jack smith and this type of probe. take a look. >> they're breaking every law to persecute us. it's been one witch hunt and phony investigation after another. these are ridiculous indictments. the single greatest witch hunt of all time. it's all run by the doj. it's crooked stuff. they're crooked people. deranged jack smith. they had no -- i got four indictments. >> is he right or wrong? >> i mean, the way i see it, if these were his personal -- personal...
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so i can see jack smith trying to do that. but just remember, he has to be thinking it is the start date unconcerned about. and, if you just, i did not do math in public, -- >> neither do i. i try i try not to. >> it is just not, it is just not looking good. that is all assuming that the supreme court does not do things to delay the case further, and there are various outcomes that it could. >> right, i'm operating in best- case mario here. >> yeah, but that, is you know, when you put your mind in your head in jack smith's thinking, he has -- not best-case an area, so he is thinking you know what, i have a very strong case in the classified documents case, i mean he has to be thinking this has jury appeal, it is not just the retention of classified documents, it is two forms of obstruction, by all accounts it looks like an incredibly strong case. we still have not heard any defense from the former president that passes the straight face test. honestly we will see what happens at trial. so he seems to be thinking okay let's see
so i can see jack smith trying to do that. but just remember, he has to be thinking it is the start date unconcerned about. and, if you just, i did not do math in public, -- >> neither do i. i try i try not to. >> it is just not, it is just not looking good. that is all assuming that the supreme court does not do things to delay the case further, and there are various outcomes that it could. >> right, i'm operating in best- case mario here. >> yeah, but that, is you...
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okay, it's a couple of weeks apart, jack smith and trump. but does this mean that we are very likely to see the -- case then begin before the fall? or could the judge still do other things? >> the judge still could do other things. it's, and i think with this particular judge, it is pretty hard to predict where she comes out. my guess is they're -- betting that she goes with the trump proposed dayton with the smith proposed state. it's going to depend on her calendar. but again, what surprises me most about this is that, it's what it tells us i think that jacks mitt is saying, there ain't no way i'm getting to this election case before the election. >> fascinating. and again, it's been a flurry of filings. because this leading candidate for the republican nomination is also a defendant in several different jurisdictions. david, i'm going to tell you this. and i'm not just saying this because of our history. we appreciate your arguments, and your counter arguments. >> when we come back, -- choice, and your rights. stay with us. -- choice, and
okay, it's a couple of weeks apart, jack smith and trump. but does this mean that we are very likely to see the -- case then begin before the fall? or could the judge still do other things? >> the judge still could do other things. it's, and i think with this particular judge, it is pretty hard to predict where she comes out. my guess is they're -- betting that she goes with the trump proposed dayton with the smith proposed state. it's going to depend on her calendar. but again, what...
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jack smith is saying, wait a minute. not only were these not your own personal property, this is some of the most sensitive military information, reportedly including even nuclear secrets. >> classify, exactly. news book reports that jack smith is set to fire language coded briefs, if you well. so the public cannot learn the names of the witnesses for fear they could be put in harm's way. could judge cannon decide she wants the names unredacted. >> reporter: ciardi has decided and that is when jack smith went nuclear. we don't see him making any kind of statements. his expression in the courtroom when the judge was thinking about making the names public, he was apocalyptic. he says what we all know that when people were trying to hold trump accountable and their names were made public. terrible things happen to them. there is 24 witnesses who trump wants to hold -- wants to have the whole world know. jack said, it is just wrong, even on the lot but even on the cases the judge sites to support her rolling don't say what s
jack smith is saying, wait a minute. not only were these not your own personal property, this is some of the most sensitive military information, reportedly including even nuclear secrets. >> classify, exactly. news book reports that jack smith is set to fire language coded briefs, if you well. so the public cannot learn the names of the witnesses for fear they could be put in harm's way. could judge cannon decide she wants the names unredacted. >> reporter: ciardi has decided and...
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i find it unimaginable that jack smith had any knowledge that mr. mueller was going to come forward with this because i know that that is the last thing he wants. and he has a strong stance against attaining juries. i also, in my own mind, as an attorney, have some questions about his lawyer was thinking in letting him, in letting him go on with this. on the other hand, there is significant factual support for the evidence that he laid out. and they can prove almost everything he talked about without him. he adds color, significant, but keep in mind they have a lot of this stuff on video. they have testimony from other people who participated in mar- a-lago in terms of assisting mr. de la vega and some of the obstruction activity. i don't think it is not harmful but it is highly unusual and i am sure that we will see mr. butler again on tv. you have said that if donald trump doesn't win, he is going to jail. you are confident that these trials are actually going to happen? >> well, i am confident that it will happen at some point if he is not the el
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>> there is no way that jack smith is going to succeed to the jury instructions. if he does, the case is over. secondly, it's a head, trump wins, tells, his losing. there is no way he will let that happen. the problem is judge cannon did not issue an order here of jury instructions. just said parties, i want you to engage in the following scenarios. it's loose enough that i think it's not enough for jack smith to go directly to the 11th circuit yet. what will happen is jack smith is going to push back and say hey, what you are doing here is really erroneous. your interpretation under the presidential records act is wrong and you need to think about this again. rethink what you just did. if she won't, we will take the extraordinary step. i do think the 11th circuit going to reverse, repudiate. dropped the case entirely. >> you are there in palm beach. what are you hearing from folks about judge cannons case in the handling of donald trump? >> people think it's appalling, what has been happening. they're very anti-cannon. trump's biggest supporters silent about it o
>> there is no way that jack smith is going to succeed to the jury instructions. if he does, the case is over. secondly, it's a head, trump wins, tells, his losing. there is no way he will let that happen. the problem is judge cannon did not issue an order here of jury instructions. just said parties, i want you to engage in the following scenarios. it's loose enough that i think it's not enough for jack smith to go directly to the 11th circuit yet. what will happen is jack smith is going...
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so how does jack smith get this? can he do a pretrial ruling on appeal? normally you can in a criminal case. can you get a written saying 11th circuit help me, the judge is wrong on the law as evidence by her proposed scenarios, we need you to intervene so she doesn't give the wrong instruction, and that's what people need to understand. jury instructions, these are instructions given to jurors to tell them what the law is. but if her law is wrong going in, the jury is screwed. they have no options left if they're being told by the judge to apply the wrong law. >> and the framing in these two binary situations seems a bit premature, certainly out of left field. >> not even premature, it's just flawed, it's wrong, and then it's premature as well. >> carroll lenning, thank you so much. everyone else stick around. when we come back, donald trump may have finally run out of options realizing he may have to raise half a billion dollars somehow in the next six days. the reality of this deadline is finally sinking in and it is freaking him out. raging at the jud
so how does jack smith get this? can he do a pretrial ruling on appeal? normally you can in a criminal case. can you get a written saying 11th circuit help me, the judge is wrong on the law as evidence by her proposed scenarios, we need you to intervene so she doesn't give the wrong instruction, and that's what people need to understand. jury instructions, these are instructions given to jurors to tell them what the law is. but if her law is wrong going in, the jury is screwed. they have no...
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so i think that jack smith and his team are probably considering it. i don't know that they'll use this particular order to do it. >> she's going to dismiss this case, let him off. >> if she dismissed the case before trial, that would be better because they could appeal that. the worst case is they're in the trial, she grants an acquittal. >> let's talk about this. here it is, this is donald trump's filing to the supreme court. he's trying to make the claim that trump's actions reaching out to state officials and congress and his vice president was based on some extensive evidence of fraud that's apparently secret that he's never shown us before. doesn't he have to show this evidence, and isn't it weird he would also be showing it to clarence thomas whose wife also believes in the big lie and thinks there was fraud? maybe she has the evidence. >> this is recycled from what he's been filing since he was before judge chutkan and the d.c. circuit. everything i did, everything jack smith's indictment charges me with is part of my official acts. of course i
so i think that jack smith and his team are probably considering it. i don't know that they'll use this particular order to do it. >> she's going to dismiss this case, let him off. >> if she dismissed the case before trial, that would be better because they could appeal that. the worst case is they're in the trial, she grants an acquittal. >> let's talk about this. here it is, this is donald trump's filing to the supreme court. he's trying to make the claim that trump's...
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how unusual are these orders and has she put jack smith between a rock and a hard place? >> her instructions are incredibly unusual. she's giving jury instructions without a trial date really putting the cart before the horse. you generally deal with pretrial motions first and jury instructions were later. her instructions are based on this faulty premise that donald trump's designation of records under the presidential records act matters. it doesn't. he is charged with violating the espionage act. the espionage act replies -- applies regardless whether the records he had were categorized as personal or presidential. even if he had designated these as personal records, he is still not authorized. nothing in the presidential records act authorizes a former president to possess classified information. you have this terrible proposed jury instruction to completely confuse the jury. you have her ruling to unseal the identities of witnesses. that's another terrible one. you have her refusal to dismiss outright a challenge that the espionage act is fake which it isn't. donald
how unusual are these orders and has she put jack smith between a rock and a hard place? >> her instructions are incredibly unusual. she's giving jury instructions without a trial date really putting the cart before the horse. you generally deal with pretrial motions first and jury instructions were later. her instructions are based on this faulty premise that donald trump's designation of records under the presidential records act matters. it doesn't. he is charged with violating the...
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it was not necessary and you will look at the indictment on the jack smith brought. it has nothing to do with those proud boys. in fact, it doesn't make the claim that trump actually instigated the riot. as based upon his planning of this. so what were they waiting for? and i think merrick garland made a historic, historic mistake. >> history will look back one day and see if this, in fact, was a contributing factor in all of this. melissa, jennifer, think you so much. please stick around to help answer this question when we come back. when a conflict of interest actually conflicts of interest? we are talking about the case against d.a. fani willis in georgia, next. s ) at fisher investments we may look like other money managers, but we're different. (other money manager) how so? (fisher investments) we're a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client'' best interest. (fisher investments) so we don't sell any commission-based products. (other money manager) then how do you make money? (fisher investments) we have a simple management fee, structured so we do better when
it was not necessary and you will look at the indictment on the jack smith brought. it has nothing to do with those proud boys. in fact, it doesn't make the claim that trump actually instigated the riot. as based upon his planning of this. so what were they waiting for? and i think merrick garland made a historic, historic mistake. >> history will look back one day and see if this, in fact, was a contributing factor in all of this. melissa, jennifer, think you so much. please stick around...
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particular for jack smith. let's start there. i wonder if there was anything revealing or anything you can tell us about the sort of mood in the courtroom as it looks like a lot of these cases are falling by the wayside, potentially. >> i'll say the move was interesting, because and a lot of the recent court rooms, we're up with donald trump, he's excited a sort of anger. i think particularly in the e. jean carroll case in new york. today, in this courtroom, and florida, at one point he was joking with reporters. i think he feels good about where he is right now. at least in that day and that moment. the anxiety, the concern, the uncertainty about the schedule, i think, it is understandable for people to have concern given the stakes and all this. i will say, the court system is not a great linear and predictable animal. it never has a pain and it's not been that for donald trump either. that is part of the uncertainty. i think people will have to roll with the punches little bit as far as the court system can be on a day today,
particular for jack smith. let's start there. i wonder if there was anything revealing or anything you can tell us about the sort of mood in the courtroom as it looks like a lot of these cases are falling by the wayside, potentially. >> i'll say the move was interesting, because and a lot of the recent court rooms, we're up with donald trump, he's excited a sort of anger. i think particularly in the e. jean carroll case in new york. today, in this courtroom, and florida, at one point he...
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what does that reflect on the part of jack smith? >> first of all, we don't know that they haven't recovered them. it could be they have determined all of those boxes were returned to mar-a-lago or somewhere else, that they essentially follow trump around wherever he went. i had a conversation with someone on your team tonight about our shared recollection that when trump showed up in new york last year for a deposition in a new york attorney general civil fraud case, he was seen outside trump tower with personal aides carting those very same sorts of bankers boxes. look, there is a reference in the indictment to the fact that carlos de olliva and others shuttled those boxes to mar-a-lago. >> in the back of my mind this is all pure speculation, i should warn everyone at home. that it seems jack smith probably more than anyone else at the department of justice has noods the aprieveiated calender within which he's working. like he built a federal indictment on january 6th made for speed, let's get it done. that is very much up in the a
what does that reflect on the part of jack smith? >> first of all, we don't know that they haven't recovered them. it could be they have determined all of those boxes were returned to mar-a-lago or somewhere else, that they essentially follow trump around wherever he went. i had a conversation with someone on your team tonight about our shared recollection that when trump showed up in new york last year for a deposition in a new york attorney general civil fraud case, he was seen outside...
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shortly after jack smith's team submitted their filings, the judge overseeing the case aileen cannon scheduled a hearing for next thursday. joining our conversation, former deputy assistant attorney general harry litman is here and former acting assistant attorney general for national security at the justice department and msnbc legal analyst mary mccord is here. rick is still with me at the table. mary, let me ask you, jack smith's paper tells us most of what we know and from his paper and filings, he seems to be calling bs on all of trump's moves and arguments. is that a fair read? >> i think in legal terms that's what he's doing but using different verbiage and it had to be said. i mean, some of these motions, the motion to dismiss based on presidential immunity is based on an argument that mr. trump while he was president designated all of these classified documents as personal and, therefore, that was within the scope of his official acts that he should have immunity for. so you don't even have to get to the question, says jack smith, of whether a president, a former president i
shortly after jack smith's team submitted their filings, the judge overseeing the case aileen cannon scheduled a hearing for next thursday. joining our conversation, former deputy assistant attorney general harry litman is here and former acting assistant attorney general for national security at the justice department and msnbc legal analyst mary mccord is here. rick is still with me at the table. mary, let me ask you, jack smith's paper tells us most of what we know and from his paper and...
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deranged jack smith. >> they have no legal ground. it's what they did. i got four indictments. >> is he right or wrong? >> i mean, the way i see it if these were his personal documents or he is allowed to have these by the pra, why would you need to ask questions about video footage, why would you possibly move the documents when they were coming to retrieve them? to me it just doesn't make any sense. on top of that, why would you put two lower-level employees in the position they are in if you did nothing wrong and these are your personal documents? >> so you are saying in the way that he acted trying to hide and the people he brought into it, you think you observed part of a cover-up? >> i think it is very possible. from what i saw, the questions, why would they ask about video footage, how long it is deleted for? those are conversations carlos told me he was tasked with finding out prior to walt's arrival on a secret trip. >> how different was that than usual? you describe secret, furtive operations and then while they are talking to the fbi other box
deranged jack smith. >> they have no legal ground. it's what they did. i got four indictments. >> is he right or wrong? >> i mean, the way i see it if these were his personal documents or he is allowed to have these by the pra, why would you need to ask questions about video footage, why would you possibly move the documents when they were coming to retrieve them? to me it just doesn't make any sense. on top of that, why would you put two lower-level employees in the position...
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but, today they got shut down, at least on one front by the jack smith team about this idea that you can't start a trial within a couple months of an election. obviously, you know a lot about these things. >> sure, the question that judge cannon and her rulings has favored the defense, even her reasoning has gone out of its way to find fault with the government and to side wherever possible with the defense in ways that i think continue to be pretty shocking. remember she's the judge that was reversed twice, before the case was indicted. we do know the trial date, she made various comment saying that she thought that the date that was sought by the government in july was unduly, optimistic. she asked a lot of questions of the defense about not having a trial at all, and certainly not in the lead up of the election. i was surprised she brought up the doj internal rule, because the internal rule of the department down in any way give rise to the defense, they are not enforceable in any court, they are just internal gots to the department. that's something that the judge knows well havi
but, today they got shut down, at least on one front by the jack smith team about this idea that you can't start a trial within a couple months of an election. obviously, you know a lot about these things. >> sure, the question that judge cannon and her rulings has favored the defense, even her reasoning has gone out of its way to find fault with the government and to side wherever possible with the defense in ways that i think continue to be pretty shocking. remember she's the judge that...
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i think jack smith has adopted a surgical approach. he has determined based on the teams experience that further superseding the indictment is to know one's benefit of that means if and when the case were ever to be tried that we would see some of the things brian butler talks about in the interview come back and make a reappearance at trial including his testimony. >> there is been a fatalist attitude about this because it's unlikely to happen before november but there's a 50% chance that joe biden is the president come the end of november it means this trial could actually happen. i do wonder what you think the timeline is for this given canons and decision to set a date. >> a lot depends on what the supreme court does on immunity. trump has made multiple dismissals and two will be dealt with but presidential immunity is not one of them. depending on what the supreme court does the case could go away or come back to judge cannon to determine, even if he is immune, for acts that are alleged to be official. does the stuff in this indic
i think jack smith has adopted a surgical approach. he has determined based on the teams experience that further superseding the indictment is to know one's benefit of that means if and when the case were ever to be tried that we would see some of the things brian butler talks about in the interview come back and make a reappearance at trial including his testimony. >> there is been a fatalist attitude about this because it's unlikely to happen before november but there's a 50% chance...
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jack smith has proposed july 8th as a trial date to begin. donald trump and his lawyer have proposed august 2nd. i will note that july 8th is during the month of the republican convention, and august is when it's over, and he's probably the nominee. your thoughts. >> exactly. and it's interesting that basically the only cases that -- and they involve money, except for the manhattan d.a.'s case, that have held donald trump accountable involve his pocketbook. the civil fraud case with judge engoron, jean carroll when he was found liable, yes, for sexual assault, which is sexual abuse in new york is sexual assault, and defamation. so those cases. and we don't know the verdict is going to happen in the manhattan d.a.'s case. it's hard to fathom that any one of the nine justices are actually going to rule that trying to overturn the election in several states could be considered an official act. but they took the case. and i can only think they took the case because as a friend of mine said when i said they wouldn't take the case, of course they'r
jack smith has proposed july 8th as a trial date to begin. donald trump and his lawyer have proposed august 2nd. i will note that july 8th is during the month of the republican convention, and august is when it's over, and he's probably the nominee. your thoughts. >> exactly. and it's interesting that basically the only cases that -- and they involve money, except for the manhattan d.a.'s case, that have held donald trump accountable involve his pocketbook. the civil fraud case with judge...
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i could see jack smith trying to do that. just remember he's got to be thinking it's the start date i'm concerned about, and if you just -- i don't do math in public, but i tried to add 88 to the various perm uitations. it's just not looking good. and that's all assuming that the supreme court doesn't do things tosu delay the case further andt could. >> i'm operating best case scenario. >> he's got analysis odds, not best case scenario, so he's thinking, you h know what, i ha a very strong case in the classified documentsg case. i mean he's got to be thinking this has jury appeal. it's not just the retention of the classified documents, it's twoas forms of obstruction. by all accounts it looks like a incredibly strong case. wecr still have not heard any defense from the former president that passes the straight face test. obviously we'll see what happens at trial. he has to be thinking, okay, let's see if we can get that. it'se still an uphill battle because he's before judge cannon, and there are many ways that that case can
i could see jack smith trying to do that. just remember he's got to be thinking it's the start date i'm concerned about, and if you just -- i don't do math in public, but i tried to add 88 to the various perm uitations. it's just not looking good. and that's all assuming that the supreme court doesn't do things tosu delay the case further andt could. >> i'm operating best case scenario. >> he's got analysis odds, not best case scenario, so he's thinking, you h know what, i ha a very...
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what does that reflect on the part of jack smith? >> we don't know that they haven't recovered them. they may have determined that all of those boxes were returned to mar-a-lago or somewhere else. they followed trump around wherever he went. i had a conversation with someone on your team tonight about our shared recollection that when trump showed up in new york last near for a deposition, he was seen outside trump tower with personal aides carting some of those very same sorts of banker's boxes. look. there is a reference in the indictment to the fact that carlos talavera and others shepherded boxes onto a plane as trump was leaving from florida to head north. it never disclosed however, that ryan butler as trump employee number five was among them, and we don't know for sure what happened to those boxes or what was inside. he mac do you feel confident? in the back of my mind, this is all pure speculation. i should warn everyone at home. it seems that jack smith probably more than anyone else at the department of justice has underst
what does that reflect on the part of jack smith? >> we don't know that they haven't recovered them. they may have determined that all of those boxes were returned to mar-a-lago or somewhere else. they followed trump around wherever he went. i had a conversation with someone on your team tonight about our shared recollection that when trump showed up in new york last near for a deposition, he was seen outside trump tower with personal aides carting some of those very same sorts of...
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then you have deranged jack smith who's a trump hater and he's going wild. he's been overturned unanimously by the supreme court. went over other people over the years. he's had great failure. he's mean, nasty, unfair. and the judges on these cases, they're all trump haters other than one or two that can be fair. look at new york what's happened. these people have tremendous hatred. you can't do this to a president. i'm not talking about me. i'm talking about in the future. a president has to be free. a president has to be if the president does a good job. i did some people would say a great job. >> the white house has not had the coordination with the doj on prosecutions regarding donald trump. this is separate. it's special counsel. the special counsel decided to bring charges. in terms of the fani willis stuff, i believe nathan wade testified he was making more money before he started to work for willis down there. back to garrett haake in west palm beach and ken dilanian. also, peter baker. why did he come out with a prepared statement? why this, why goi
then you have deranged jack smith who's a trump hater and he's going wild. he's been overturned unanimously by the supreme court. went over other people over the years. he's had great failure. he's mean, nasty, unfair. and the judges on these cases, they're all trump haters other than one or two that can be fair. look at new york what's happened. these people have tremendous hatred. you can't do this to a president. i'm not talking about me. i'm talking about in the future. a president has to...
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if that sounds like a familiar issue, jack smith has more than one case against defendant trump. so, the defendant was actually down in federal court today watching as doj prosecutors argued for a july beginning to a trial in the other jack smith case, earlier in the week discussing the big coup case and the supreme court slowing that down. this is the classified documents case, you probably remember both, and -- they are saying, over at the doj, there is nothing in their rule or precedents which prevents this trial, on the documents, from occurring in weeks, even days before the election. and remember, it's donald trump is the defendant who's been delaying both cases. on the flipside, i want to tell you donald trump's team are saying, well, they don't like the idea of this trial happening at all but they offered august s.a.t. possible date. we learned about that new development last night, if you haven't been watching the beat, because you came through in a filing and that was a change. now today in court, with donald trump sitting there, we saw all of this play out at the heari
if that sounds like a familiar issue, jack smith has more than one case against defendant trump. so, the defendant was actually down in federal court today watching as doj prosecutors argued for a july beginning to a trial in the other jack smith case, earlier in the week discussing the big coup case and the supreme court slowing that down. this is the classified documents case, you probably remember both, and -- they are saying, over at the doj, there is nothing in their rule or precedents...
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>> i thought jack smith should have done it as soon as she drew the case. i understand the hesitation. the government's lawyer, you don't want to appear to have bias against the judge. nonetheless, i thought she had given him plenty of reason to do it. at this point, i think he has no choice. because if he does not ask the 11th circuit to recuse her, she could, for instance, set the case for trial pretty quickly. the time to do it is now. >> joyce vance, perfect person to have -- to talk about what should happen in florida. thank you so much. good night. >> night y'all. >>> we await the first criminal trial of the former u.s. president. do reading. raid all the charges against donald trump for yourselves and make your own decisions and we put all of this together and all of the indictments in the new book with the the trump indictments the historic charging documents with commentary and including helpful notes on the law as well as the many different players involved. >> thanks for joining us for this hour. good night. good night. >>> on this new hour, the
>> i thought jack smith should have done it as soon as she drew the case. i understand the hesitation. the government's lawyer, you don't want to appear to have bias against the judge. nonetheless, i thought she had given him plenty of reason to do it. at this point, i think he has no choice. because if he does not ask the 11th circuit to recuse her, she could, for instance, set the case for trial pretty quickly. the time to do it is now. >> joyce vance, perfect person to have -- to...
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the dates proposed by jack smith is july 8th. donald trump's attorney proposing august 12th saying this thing should not go on even before the election and making the argument for that. eileen kent has indicated that that date will likely not stick because the amount of discovery that trump's attorneys are going to have to go through. when it comes to questions, i thought it was important we talk about this, there is some crossovers that were submitted when it came to the questionnaire. what bumper stickers do you have on your car, and then some differences between what jack smith is submitting when it comes to a jury questionnaire, versus what is being submitted by trump's attorneys. trump's attorneys want to know who you voted for, for instance, in the 2020 election. did you vote? jack smith and his attorneys wanting to know, for instance, do you feel as if trump won the election or who won the election? and i think that's interesting because as i look around here, there is a lot of donald trump supporters sitting around me rig
the dates proposed by jack smith is july 8th. donald trump's attorney proposing august 12th saying this thing should not go on even before the election and making the argument for that. eileen kent has indicated that that date will likely not stick because the amount of discovery that trump's attorneys are going to have to go through. when it comes to questions, i thought it was important we talk about this, there is some crossovers that were submitted when it came to the questionnaire. what...
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that is why jack smith is saying these aargue. s designed to delay the trial. >> the stormy danielles hush money case, will the consequences be a slap on the wrist for trump? >> i don't think so. you have to remember this same conduct was charged federally by the southern district of new york. and michael cohen was charged and convicted with exiting federal election fraud. and he served three years in prison for that. here are the charges are that donald trump falsified business records but in order to conceal or commit that same federal election law violation as well as violating other laws, l. again he could face prison time. somebody has. these are serious charges and should not be underestimated. >> yesterday, ty cobb was not impressed with trump in the new york civil cases. will trump keep his attorney on the team? >> if the civil cases where she is on all of the briefings for appeal he added another lawyer an appellate lawyer the same lawyer who argued in the dc immunity appeal. and so he has added lawyers but as of now, ali
that is why jack smith is saying these aargue. s designed to delay the trial. >> the stormy danielles hush money case, will the consequences be a slap on the wrist for trump? >> i don't think so. you have to remember this same conduct was charged federally by the southern district of new york. and michael cohen was charged and convicted with exiting federal election fraud. and he served three years in prison for that. here are the charges are that donald trump falsified business...
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the judge issued an order to special counsel jack smith's team as well as defense attorneys requesting they submit jury instructions in anticipation of a trial. in her two-page order the judge said prosecutor and defense team must engage with the following competing scenarios. option one is to let a jury examine every record a former president retains at the end of his or her presidency and determine whether or not it's personal, or jurors must be told that, quote, a president has sole authority to categorize records as personal or presidential during his or her presidency. as "the washington post" noted that second hypothetical would appear to be one in which trump seemingly could not be convicted almost under any set of facts of improperly possessing classified documents. >>> and we've got yet another development in a separate trump legal case now. the judge overseeing his hush money case has denied the former president's request to keep two key witnesses from taking the stand. in a court filing last month, trump's legal team sought to block michael cohen and stormy daniels from test
the judge issued an order to special counsel jack smith's team as well as defense attorneys requesting they submit jury instructions in anticipation of a trial. in her two-page order the judge said prosecutor and defense team must engage with the following competing scenarios. option one is to let a jury examine every record a former president retains at the end of his or her presidency and determine whether or not it's personal, or jurors must be told that, quote, a president has sole...
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>> jack smith is not a superhero. so, this idea that he has all kinds of levers that he can pull with this court to get them to speed up the trial, that is not the case. he has nothing beyond his advocacy in that april 25th hearing in order to move this forward. and again, to prevail the supreme court, you need five votes. and this is a conservative 6-3 super majority. and there's a lot going on here. so you're right. i think about the court in a broader contest. this is a big turn for the court. leaving that to the side, the court had enormous cases about the future of the administrative state. and the administrative agencies. there are a number of cases about the post dobbs reproductive rights landscape. we heard one of these cases in the availability of mifepristone. and i think you have to think about all the different parts in this entire docket for this term to understand what might be going on with regard to the trump cases. just hold on with me for a minute. i know abortion has nothing to do with donald trump.
>> jack smith is not a superhero. so, this idea that he has all kinds of levers that he can pull with this court to get them to speed up the trial, that is not the case. he has nothing beyond his advocacy in that april 25th hearing in order to move this forward. and again, to prevail the supreme court, you need five votes. and this is a conservative 6-3 super majority. and there's a lot going on here. so you're right. i think about the court in a broader contest. this is a big turn for...
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smith won't be able to appeal it to the 11th circuit court of appeals and then jack smith is done on that claim. so it's a temporary victory, a victory for now. >> and exactly, and that's why i called it auditions. mr. hur and ms. cannon might see themselves as justices when clarence thomas and alito predictably resign if a republican becomes president. that's just me. let me read the letter from donald trump's lawyers to congress. they said this, we have seen absolutely no indication that president trump knowingly possessed any of the marked documents or willfully broke any laws. rather, all indications are that the presence of marked documents at mar-a-lago was the result of haphazard records keeping and packing by white house staff and gsa, so blaming them. the applicable statute is willful retention. to prove willful retention, the prosecutor must establish it was knowing. now let's play donald trump talking about willful possession. >> i can't imagine you ever saying, bring me some of the boxes that we brought back from the white house. i would like to look at them. did you ever
smith won't be able to appeal it to the 11th circuit court of appeals and then jack smith is done on that claim. so it's a temporary victory, a victory for now. >> and exactly, and that's why i called it auditions. mr. hur and ms. cannon might see themselves as justices when clarence thomas and alito predictably resign if a republican becomes president. that's just me. let me read the letter from donald trump's lawyers to congress. they said this, we have seen absolutely no indication...
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you know, when this case was first set out back in august, jack smith's case, today was the day they scheduled, right? they were actually trying, you know, we would be getting into questions of jury selection. we would be getting into potentially opening arguments this week. it would be all unfolding theoretically, but that's not what happened because of what happened in the appeals process and what happened in the supreme court behind me here, and, you know, even after this, there's still going to be two of these charges against donald trump that are still, i think sort of up in the air. two of the charges that jack smith brought were also using its more than 300 january 6th defendants itself, and we don't know that until how the supreme court sees that will be applied. the question is whether or not the question of donald -- how much responsibility donald trump bears for what happened on january 6th, and then the aftermath of the 2020 election will be resolved before we get to another election and that's not a situation that, you know, a lot of folks thought they would be in in the
you know, when this case was first set out back in august, jack smith's case, today was the day they scheduled, right? they were actually trying, you know, we would be getting into questions of jury selection. we would be getting into potentially opening arguments this week. it would be all unfolding theoretically, but that's not what happened because of what happened in the appeals process and what happened in the supreme court behind me here, and, you know, even after this, there's still...
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>> no. >> was anybody interviewing with jack smith or his work? >> i do not have the basis to answer that question. >> your summation, which we treat as thoughtful and unpolitical, we should treat decisions by jack smith the same way to your knowledge? >> i do not have sufficient information with regard to jack smith see investigation to provide any comment on it. >> let me ask you this, if president biden in his testimony to you, knew the exact date, whatever date it was when he came vice president, and when he left as vice president, and it would be january 20th -- he knew the dates exactly right, and if he knew the exact date and the instant that his son died, would not have changed your decision to bring about prosecution? >> i cannot engage in hypotheticals, and what i did was make a decision on the facts and circumstances i was presented with. >> it appears to me, and i think it would appear to the american public, that these minor discrepancies as far as dates after a long period of time was not the basis, it was not the basis of your decis
>> no. >> was anybody interviewing with jack smith or his work? >> i do not have the basis to answer that question. >> your summation, which we treat as thoughtful and unpolitical, we should treat decisions by jack smith the same way to your knowledge? >> i do not have sufficient information with regard to jack smith see investigation to provide any comment on it. >> let me ask you this, if president biden in his testimony to you, knew the exact date,...
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for jack smith to get her recused from the case, it takes a high burden. you have to show that she's biassed and it's rare for an appellant court to remove a judge from the case, but every time you see the rulings and delays that she builds into the case, you have to believe she's getting closer to that line. >> let's go to another case in georgia. trump's legal team started to maneuvering after fani willis was kept on the case. what are they trying to do there? >> donald trump wants to delay that case, and it's going to be delayed past the election anyways. he thinks maybe there's a chance to get her disqualified and that would kill the case and it would get reassigned to the same prosecutor that may not share the same zeal as fani willis. it's something called an interlock tory appeal, and it means you could take the appeal right away instead of waiting until the trial is over. donald trump likes to appeal everything possible, because the longer he can delay things the better his chances of never being put on trial in any of these matters. >> garrett, me
for jack smith to get her recused from the case, it takes a high burden. you have to show that she's biassed and it's rare for an appellant court to remove a judge from the case, but every time you see the rulings and delays that she builds into the case, you have to believe she's getting closer to that line. >> let's go to another case in georgia. trump's legal team started to maneuvering after fani willis was kept on the case. what are they trying to do there? >> donald trump...
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that's an argument jack smith has made. it's an important one. it's not just defendants who are entitled to speedy trials. it's citizens. it's americans who are also entitled to have these claims heard. nikki haley makes the political argument. this is the justice argument. we are entitled to hear this. >> what we are learning, we have gotten a first look at the proposed jury questionnaire for the mar-a-lago case. trump's legal team wants to ask jurors to list politicians they have negative opinions of, to rank their primary source of media consumption. prosecutors want to ask, do you believe the election was stolen and ask jurors for their thoughts on the department of justice and the fbi. i believe i read this as a 31-page jury questionnaire, at least what is being proposed. what do you make of it? >> some of the questions are fairly standard. trump also wants to ask the potential jurors who they voted for. that would be extremely unusual if judge cannon allows that question. that would raise more questions about her impartiality. look, this is
that's an argument jack smith has made. it's an important one. it's not just defendants who are entitled to speedy trials. it's citizens. it's americans who are also entitled to have these claims heard. nikki haley makes the political argument. this is the justice argument. we are entitled to hear this. >> what we are learning, we have gotten a first look at the proposed jury questionnaire for the mar-a-lago case. trump's legal team wants to ask jurors to list politicians they have...
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. >> a key hearing in jack smith's classified documents case against trump is set for this thursday. meanwhile, there's also news today on trump's first criminal trial, the hush money case in new york. a trump filing today saying he may blame his lawyers for the criminal chemo, but he'll try to do that without losing the attorney-client privilege. joining me now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and msnbc analyst and co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast and co-host of the strict scrutiny podcast. two of the very best getting us started this evening. joyce, i'd like to begin with you. for today in the hur hearing, no new evidence was heard. no perry mason moments happened. did anything occur in this hearing to change the fact there's been only one president, former president trump, that is facing criminal charges for mishandling classified documents? >> you know, katie, this hearing underlined the distinction between donald trump and joe biden for anyone who's listening. it's very clear when you read hur's report and when you hear hur repeat his report out loud at the requ
. >> a key hearing in jack smith's classified documents case against trump is set for this thursday. meanwhile, there's also news today on trump's first criminal trial, the hush money case in new york. a trump filing today saying he may blame his lawyers for the criminal chemo, but he'll try to do that without losing the attorney-client privilege. joining me now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and msnbc analyst and co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast and co-host of the...
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do you think jack smith is going to do it? when she says something like i want you to consider this, does she have to? >> i think he has to comply with the order. he will get an order back from the court about jury instructions. very unusual this early in the case. there is not even a trial date set. then he will have an appealable order. >> is this putting the cart in front of the horse? there is no trial date set yet. >> this is completely putting the cart for the horse. there is no trial date yet. the judge is signaling, as she has signal from the get-go she does not believe in the case and does not believe it is warranted. she is stacking the deck in favor of the defendant. >> is there anything jack smith can do to get this moving along? >> he has successfully appealed prior orders to the appellate court and the appellate court has on multiple occasions reversed this judge. i would expect if there is an order on these jury instructions, as she is already signaling he will go right back to the appellate court. >> let's move
do you think jack smith is going to do it? when she says something like i want you to consider this, does she have to? >> i think he has to comply with the order. he will get an order back from the court about jury instructions. very unusual this early in the case. there is not even a trial date set. then he will have an appealable order. >> is this putting the cart in front of the horse? there is no trial date set yet. >> this is completely putting the cart for the horse....
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what are jack smith's options here? >> well, there is a reason you've never seen anything like it. i don't think bradley and i have either. last week, bradley was trying to come up with the best yiddish phrase for this and i have sort of 2m words for you. michigan, which is what this is, because the choice that was given by judge cannon to the parties is to ask jack smith, so please draft a jury instructions seeming that the earth is flat and the second one is please draft a jury instruction assuming that the earth is square. so the second m word is mandamus. mandamus is the ability -- it is not an appeal. it is for extraordinary actions by a district court that so clearly violate the law that you can appeal it right then and there. it is a very tough standard, but at this point, what she did today is so nutty, and so against appointed bradley has been making, which is that the 11th circuit has actually already decided this issue and what she has proposed is against what the 11th circuit is already reversed her on, so i really think to the extent that you think that she is engaging
what are jack smith's options here? >> well, there is a reason you've never seen anything like it. i don't think bradley and i have either. last week, bradley was trying to come up with the best yiddish phrase for this and i have sort of 2m words for you. michigan, which is what this is, because the choice that was given by judge cannon to the parties is to ask jack smith, so please draft a jury instructions seeming that the earth is flat and the second one is please draft a jury...
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>> jack smith is not a superhero, so this idea that he has all kinds of levers he can pull with this court to get them to speed up this trial, that is not the case, he is nothing beyond his advocacy and that april 25th hearing, in order to move this forward. and again, to prevail the supreme court, you need five votes. and this is a conservative 6-3 super majority, and there is a lot going on here. so, you are right, i do think about the court in a broader context, this is a big term for the court, even leaving aside his trunk cases, disqualification, the immunity issue, leaving that to the side, the court had enormous cases about the future of the ministry to state and administrative agencies, there are a number of cases about the post jobs reproductive rights case, we heard one of these cases on this week of mifepristone and regulations, and i think you have to think about all of those different parts in this entire docket for this term to understand what might be going on with regard to the trump cases. so, we saw in that oral argument in the abortion case, hold on with me a momen
>> jack smith is not a superhero, so this idea that he has all kinds of levers he can pull with this court to get them to speed up this trial, that is not the case, he is nothing beyond his advocacy and that april 25th hearing, in order to move this forward. and again, to prevail the supreme court, you need five votes. and this is a conservative 6-3 super majority, and there is a lot going on here. so, you are right, i do think about the court in a broader context, this is a big term for...
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>> i don't think jack smith wants to remove her. i think you would rather not do that because it is an extreme measure. she did get adverse rulings including from trump appointees twice. that was in the preindictment phase of this case when it was a civil case brought by trump. a totally bizarre kind of situation. she would in figure of him -- favor of him in a really wacky way. it's sort of like a three strikes and you're out kind of situation. again, i don't think jack smith wants to do that. they would have to reassign. they would have to find another judge. i think he is keeping his fingers crossed. i think we are also aware of the possibility that judge cannon could go rogue again. >> then there is the whole question of what she can do to the rest of the calendar. let's start this conversation with an opinion you hold that i think is a hard one for people who seek accountability for donald trump to hear. talk to me about your view are the chances that the federal election interference case goes to trial before november. >> i th
>> i don't think jack smith wants to remove her. i think you would rather not do that because it is an extreme measure. she did get adverse rulings including from trump appointees twice. that was in the preindictment phase of this case when it was a civil case brought by trump. a totally bizarre kind of situation. she would in figure of him -- favor of him in a really wacky way. it's sort of like a three strikes and you're out kind of situation. again, i don't think jack smith wants to do...
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in this instance, both jack smith, for the government, and the former president framed the questions differently, from each other. and it just so happens, that it's itnot unusual, the supreme court framed the question differently than both of those two parties, so as to require briefing and decision on the question that the court itself wants e to decide. now, what is that question? there's been a lot of discussion as to the framing of the question. in my view, a lot of that is a tempest in the teapot. at the end of the day, the court has asked the parties to brief the question that's an issue in the prosecution of the former president. mainly, whether the former president violated the constitution. when he acting, in his official capacity, as then president of the united states, sought to overturn the election in 2020, and obstructed the official proceeding of d the joint sessi of congress to count the electoral votes. that court, of course, can decide that question is narrowly or as broadly as it wishes. but this is a paradigm of a case where the courts will almost certainly decide
in this instance, both jack smith, for the government, and the former president framed the questions differently, from each other. and it just so happens, that it's itnot unusual, the supreme court framed the question differently than both of those two parties, so as to require briefing and decision on the question that the court itself wants e to decide. now, what is that question? there's been a lot of discussion as to the framing of the question. in my view, a lot of that is a tempest in the...
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jack smith in a new response shreds trumps immunity claims in the classified documents case, calling them frivolous and outlandish. do you think smith's filing is a preview of what he plans to argue before the supreme court in april, even though there are two different cases here? >> so, they are two different cases, and they deal with two different moments in donald trump's tenure as a president and as a former president. so, the events of january 6th, clearly during the course or the end of donald trump's presidency, whereas the mar-a- lago documents case, most of the action there takes place after donald trump is no longer president. that is a really important question for the issue of presidential immunity, because again, the idea that presidents enjoy immunization from legal liability is really because they need to have the time and not be distracted by legal processes while they are actually functioning is present. so the claims of immunity are not as strong in circumstances where the action took place after the presidency was over. donald trump is arguing, though, that in the
jack smith in a new response shreds trumps immunity claims in the classified documents case, calling them frivolous and outlandish. do you think smith's filing is a preview of what he plans to argue before the supreme court in april, even though there are two different cases here? >> so, they are two different cases, and they deal with two different moments in donald trump's tenure as a president and as a former president. so, the events of january 6th, clearly during the course or the...
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i want to read for you what the new york times is reporting about jack smith. she asked about when smith was going to present the prosecution list. the new york times wrote this -- smith in particular seems shocked by the question and sat up stiff lee in the well of the courtroom, his eyes gone wide in apparent incredulity. there has been a lot of talk specifically in judge aileen cannon's courtroom about -- and other pretrial motions as well in which they talk about the potential harassment of prosecution witnesses. i am wondering if you feel like that is what was playing into this report from the new york times about jack smith's incredulity. >> it sounds like so. they have already requested that some names be withheld from the fence until absolutely necessary. we know that donald trump just has a history of attacking witnesses and prosecutors and judges and juries, so that could be one reason. also, we know that everyone was waiting for a trial date to be announced and one was not at all. there's really no clarity when that case will start. i know there's a
i want to read for you what the new york times is reporting about jack smith. she asked about when smith was going to present the prosecution list. the new york times wrote this -- smith in particular seems shocked by the question and sat up stiff lee in the well of the courtroom, his eyes gone wide in apparent incredulity. there has been a lot of talk specifically in judge aileen cannon's courtroom about -- and other pretrial motions as well in which they talk about the potential harassment of...
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special counsel jack smith wants the trial to start in july. while trump's attorneys say the earliest the trials should start is august, although they would prefer never. the ultimate decision here has the potential to create chaos on trump's legal calendar. the later she schedules her trial, the more likely she is to block any january 6 election interference trial from going to trial before the election. and now we have learned that next thursday, judge cannon will hear arguments by team trump to dismiss the documents case altogether. david latt joins me now, a columnist at bloomberg law and the host of the original jurisdiction podcast. it's great to see you. welcome to the program. >> thanks for having me, alex. >> so how do you read the tea leafs on the fact that judge cannon is scheduling a hearing on a motion to dismiss before she has set a trial date? is that not a great sign for people who are hoping to see this trial come to fruition? >> well, she has a lot of work to get through. because the trump team has basically filed a kitchen si
special counsel jack smith wants the trial to start in july. while trump's attorneys say the earliest the trials should start is august, although they would prefer never. the ultimate decision here has the potential to create chaos on trump's legal calendar. the later she schedules her trial, the more likely she is to block any january 6 election interference trial from going to trial before the election. and now we have learned that next thursday, judge cannon will hear arguments by team trump...
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but i will urge you to bring it up later when i can deny it in a way jack smith can't appeal it. let me read one thing from the order because this is not a jury instruction. this is a command to the jury that you may not convict. a president has sole authority under the presidential records act to categorize records as personal. neither a court nor a your is permitted to make or review such a categorization decision. and outgoing president's decision to exclude what he considers to be personal records from the presidential records transmitted to the national archives. constitutes a president's categorization of those records as personal. that is not a jury instruction. that is a command to the jury that you may not convict donald trump because of what i have just instructed you. this is the kind of thing that i suggest further supports a motion to recuse because her impartiality might reasonably be questioned and that is the federal standard for when a judge shall remove themselves from the case. >> quickly because we are out of time, glen. but from what you have read, to me, tha
but i will urge you to bring it up later when i can deny it in a way jack smith can't appeal it. let me read one thing from the order because this is not a jury instruction. this is a command to the jury that you may not convict. a president has sole authority under the presidential records act to categorize records as personal. neither a court nor a your is permitted to make or review such a categorization decision. and outgoing president's decision to exclude what he considers to be personal...
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they could've taken up this issue back in december, when jack smith urge them to consider his emergency appeal and keep the trial on schedule. but of course, they did not. they waited until this week to announce they would take up the case, and they will wait until late april to even hear the oral arguments. they know exactly what this means for the trial schedule. they have a calendar, and they didn't anyway. since the spring court may not claim there in the political business, but they just knowingly put the country in a position where people may not know if they are voting for a criminal conviction -- that's injecting yourself into politics, i'm not sure what is. we don't know for certain if there will be a trial november. there could be, there's a very real chance we could still see one. and we will talk about that today. at the same time, we are also facing a harsh but important reality that's important to call out. we cannot depend on the justice system protecting us from the day one dictator. there is no fairytales or anything. and yes it's true if trump does not stand trial befo
they could've taken up this issue back in december, when jack smith urge them to consider his emergency appeal and keep the trial on schedule. but of course, they did not. they waited until this week to announce they would take up the case, and they will wait until late april to even hear the oral arguments. they know exactly what this means for the trial schedule. they have a calendar, and they didn't anyway. since the spring court may not claim there in the political business, but they just...
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here is what our colleague joyce vance says could be a problem for jack smith. let's watch. >> this is a judge who refused to rule on trump's motion to dismiss the case because of the presidential records act but has now given us reason to believe that she is, in fact, accepting that defense and we have to be concerned that if this case does go to trial, judge eileen cannon will take it away from the jury and dismissed charges against donald trump. if she decides to dismiss the case before the jury renders a verdict, the case is over. >> many experts believe smith should try to get cannon off the case. what are his options? >> i think recusing judge cannon requires more than just believing that she is in the tank for donald trump. to joyce's point. i think the jury instructions that were asked to deliver this week are odd and suggest that she could dismiss the case posttrial which would prevent the government from trying the case again. on the other hand, i do not think that eric is a motion at this is likely to succeed if the government were to make one at all.
here is what our colleague joyce vance says could be a problem for jack smith. let's watch. >> this is a judge who refused to rule on trump's motion to dismiss the case because of the presidential records act but has now given us reason to believe that she is, in fact, accepting that defense and we have to be concerned that if this case does go to trial, judge eileen cannon will take it away from the jury and dismissed charges against donald trump. if she decides to dismiss the case...
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of course, special counsel jack smith says these are ridiculous notions not supported in case law, but they're spending hours arguing a case, in a case where one of donald trump's top strategies is to delay and hope the case doesn't get to trial before the election. today is another day that makes it less likely to happen. >> paul, let me actually read what in a filing is what jack smith had to saying or his team had to say in response to the second part. it says the pra does not exempt trump from the criminal laws, entitle him to unilaterally declare highly classified records as personal records, yet alone allow him to obstruct a federal investigation with impunity. are you one of those legal experts that thinking it's at least borderline frivolous? >> i wouldn't say that. it's downright frivolous. he isn't charged with violating the presidential reports act. that's not the problem. he's charged with violating the espionage act and obstruction of justice. what the presidential records act said is many documents used by the president for the purpose of carrying out his official respons
of course, special counsel jack smith says these are ridiculous notions not supported in case law, but they're spending hours arguing a case, in a case where one of donald trump's top strategies is to delay and hope the case doesn't get to trial before the election. today is another day that makes it less likely to happen. >> paul, let me actually read what in a filing is what jack smith had to saying or his team had to say in response to the second part. it says the pra does not exempt...
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the proposed date so far by jack smith specifically was july 8th, by donald trump's attorneys was august 12th. quite frankly they said they want this thing to happen after the election. there was some overlapse when it comes to the juror questionnaires. we want to focus on the date that may come out of this hearing today. and whether or not there's going to be any collaboration between judge aileen cannon and the other judges in the other cases and trials in which the former president is facing. we know there's collaboration between judge juanmarchand, he had a collaboration with judge chutkan in choosing that date. the d.c. trial is pushed back because of the immunity decision by the supreme court to hear that case on april 22nd or to hear the issue of immunity on april 22nd. so the question is whether or not aileen cannon is going to be speaking with other judges, a, and b, whether or not she's going to say, hey, listen, we have to wait for this decision to come from the supreme court before we can declare a date and postpone this thing indefinitely. either way, this date will be pushe
the proposed date so far by jack smith specifically was july 8th, by donald trump's attorneys was august 12th. quite frankly they said they want this thing to happen after the election. there was some overlapse when it comes to the juror questionnaires. we want to focus on the date that may come out of this hearing today. and whether or not there's going to be any collaboration between judge aileen cannon and the other judges in the other cases and trials in which the former president is...
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it comes after trump and jack smith faced off in a federal courtroom in florida today, trump's attorneys arguing to dismiss the entire superseding indictment against him, claiming the presidential records act gives them the authority to take and claim those classified documents as his own personal property. in the motion, trump's lawyers wrote, president trump exercise virtually unreviewable authority to designate the records as personal. in court, trump lawyer todd blanche arguing, quote, presidents, since george washington have taken materials out of the white house at their own discretion. the doj quickly shooting back. the documents charged in the indictment are not personal records. period. they are nowhere close to that. remember, trump allegedly had nuclear secrets stashed away in some of those boxes. the doj emphasizing the gravity of the whole scenario, quote, there has never been a situation remotely similar to this one. but those weren't the only arguments presented by trump's team. they also resurrected an old favorite, but her email's. arguing, that hillary clinton wasn't pr
it comes after trump and jack smith faced off in a federal courtroom in florida today, trump's attorneys arguing to dismiss the entire superseding indictment against him, claiming the presidential records act gives them the authority to take and claim those classified documents as his own personal property. in the motion, trump's lawyers wrote, president trump exercise virtually unreviewable authority to designate the records as personal. in court, trump lawyer todd blanche arguing, quote,...
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after jack smith smiled proposed child date in july 8th. donald trump's lawyers did not ask for a date after the presidential election. they didn't ask for a date next year. they asked for a trial date, just four weeks later on august 12th. after four weeks requested by jack smith donald trump's favor, judge aileen mercedes, can he appointed to her federal judgeship will decide that trial date. , and republicans were very disappointed today and hunter biden's closed-door testimony under oath to a republican- controlled house committee. because, apparently, his testimony was solid and clear about his father not being involved in his business. and because of jones and the transcript that was released tonight, like. this mr. gaetz, were you on drugs when you were on the board. the witness, mr. gaetz, look me in the eye you really think that's appropriate to ask me? mr., gates absolutely, the witness -- of all the people sitting around this table, do you think that's appropriate to ask me? >> congressman gaetz, of course, of all the people sitt
after jack smith smiled proposed child date in july 8th. donald trump's lawyers did not ask for a date after the presidential election. they didn't ask for a date next year. they asked for a trial date, just four weeks later on august 12th. after four weeks requested by jack smith donald trump's favor, judge aileen mercedes, can he appointed to her federal judgeship will decide that trial date. , and republicans were very disappointed today and hunter biden's closed-door testimony under oath to...