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feet jack smith drag his feet. you got to remember i wasn't part of this case during the investigative phases. they could have brought this indictment much earlier. they didn't at the time we had mar-a-lago, which was going very fast that's a lot of activity. january 6, which was sitting there pretty much at a standstill. all the sudden, he brings his snap indictment and all of a sudden the next few weeks realize, oh, shoot, i forgot to interview a whole bunch of witnesses. the timing of the indictment is something that's control. another thing >> all right. we'll leave it there doj are >> confusion. like that? >> well, we'll leave it there with the two of you on that one. does that conversation i think it doesn't matter. it's doj >> i think that's a longer conversation. we'll have to continue another de elie, mr.. tim parlatore. thank you both very much >> thank you. >> and next, the dual at the border, the rhetoric, the promises, and biden's dare her to donald trump standby >> my best reputation is ruined. >> it'
feet jack smith drag his feet. you got to remember i wasn't part of this case during the investigative phases. they could have brought this indictment much earlier. they didn't at the time we had mar-a-lago, which was going very fast that's a lot of activity. january 6, which was sitting there pretty much at a standstill. all the sudden, he brings his snap indictment and all of a sudden the next few weeks realize, oh, shoot, i forgot to interview a whole bunch of witnesses. the timing of the...
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jack smith mean for trump? >> well, erin, what you're seeing is prosecutors trying to find a way to box out the former president and his legal team. because as you as you noted, what they're trying to do is delay this to the point where it makes it impossible for tanya chutkan and the dc trial to find find room on the calendar. they know that obviously, given the fact that this that the that the immunity question is now before the supreme court we anticipate that what they're going to do is look for something that will make sure that that the dc judge doesn't have room on the calendar between now and november to sketch chilling new trial. and so what jack smith is doing here in making this request is trying to at least have the judge in in in florida put a put on the calendar a date of july 8th. now, we don't know whether she'll go for this. there are a lot of complicated issues because this has to do with classified info aileen cannon, the judge, there has pretty much been been helpful with the former presiden
jack smith mean for trump? >> well, erin, what you're seeing is prosecutors trying to find a way to box out the former president and his legal team. because as you as you noted, what they're trying to do is delay this to the point where it makes it impossible for tanya chutkan and the dc trial to find find room on the calendar. they know that obviously, given the fact that this that the that the immunity question is now before the supreme court we anticipate that what they're going to do...
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smith gets his way and gets this july 8th start so if jack smith gets a july 8 start, we do probably get a verdict before the election. and so there are two routes. one is based on jack smith's own estimation, you'd probably get the end of trial around august 19, trump's estimation is it's going to take a longer period of time for the trial so that you get a verdict and the end of trial around september 16th. but both of those, uh, well, before both the alliance, while before the election, that's right. so that's why the july 8 and whether or not the judge cannon goes with the justice department is key to that outcome. >> so ben doesn't mean do you think there's any coincidence that smith makes this move a day after the supreme court said it would hear arguments on trump's immunity while he's in office. and they said that they're going to take that up and that means that likely will not get a verdict by election day in any scenario. >> it does mean that it means the florida case is the one that can move forward. the quickest. >> i >> don't think it's an accident, but i think this hea
smith gets his way and gets this july 8th start so if jack smith gets a july 8 start, we do probably get a verdict before the election. and so there are two routes. one is based on jack smith's own estimation, you'd probably get the end of trial around august 19, trump's estimation is it's going to take a longer period of time for the trial so that you get a verdict and the end of trial around september 16th. but both of those, uh, well, before both the alliance, while before the election,...
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>> i think what jack smith is motivated by is not november. i think it's by june which is the end of the supreme court's term. and i think all he's thinking about is making sure that there's no ambiguity whatsoever about what the supreme court said. so the one thing we know that is that by the end of june, the supreme court will have rolled one way or another on this executive immunity claim and this trial is set for one to proposed date is one week after the close of the immunity thing. >> we always talk about it in the realm of the election interference case. but trump's also claiming that in the classified documents case and you heard jim trusty saying there that he thinks he can have an argument on part of it, but it's also the willful retention in the obstruction of the efforts to investigate to try to get them back. that is also at play here and also trump was not an office. can argue presidential immunity if he was two years out of the office. >> yeah, absolutely. so like even under the nixon versus fitzgerald case for says than the lan
>> i think what jack smith is motivated by is not november. i think it's by june which is the end of the supreme court's term. and i think all he's thinking about is making sure that there's no ambiguity whatsoever about what the supreme court said. so the one thing we know that is that by the end of june, the supreme court will have rolled one way or another on this executive immunity claim and this trial is set for one to proposed date is one week after the close of the immunity thing....
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jack smith has moved expeditiously. so trump is doing what any defendant would do in that case, but he'd run out of time if garland had gotten off the dime. that's the bottom line. what else? i love this part of the show, you know, i do if people don't vote third party, this cycle, they never will. i have to say, eric in god if i'm talking about the 2028 election, i'm not talking about third-party candidacies. if this cycle doesn't at least produce a legitimate three-way or three-way plus contest where somebody gets on the debate stage, right? allah? ross perot, then i to give up, i to give up because this, according to all the data is the cycle where people are yearning. gallup says a plurality or independence than not publicans or democrats. people want a choice. >> give it to them. one more. if i've got time not closing the border will cost biden the election. he cannot win private account. i got to say that poll today, the combination of the gallup data and mohammad yunus, the editor in chief, dissected it for us. a
jack smith has moved expeditiously. so trump is doing what any defendant would do in that case, but he'd run out of time if garland had gotten off the dime. that's the bottom line. what else? i love this part of the show, you know, i do if people don't vote third party, this cycle, they never will. i have to say, eric in god if i'm talking about the 2028 election, i'm not talking about third-party candidacies. if this cycle doesn't at least produce a legitimate three-way or three-way plus...
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jack smith's investigators sought you out. how many times did you think you've have you talked to investigators now? >> a probably between 4.5 times. >> can we talk about what started all of this, which is the boxes, i mean, trump was clearly obsessed with these boxes at one point in the indictment, someone refers to them as his beautiful mind paper. >> what >> was known among the employees about about why he cared about these boxes so much for you guys. >> did you talk about them? >> i never talked about them. i really didn't even know what was going on until the investigation. i started reading in the news, employees were getting interviewed the indictment to june 3. he goes back home. he went back home. we had moved a bunch of stuff, the belongings, everything. >> that's when he's going from spinning his time in palm beach to spending his time in bedminster, new jersey that is correct >> so we are there to assist with luggage, anything that needs to go to the plane. so in since i ran the car service, i had employees come to
jack smith's investigators sought you out. how many times did you think you've have you talked to investigators now? >> a probably between 4.5 times. >> can we talk about what started all of this, which is the boxes, i mean, trump was clearly obsessed with these boxes at one point in the indictment, someone refers to them as his beautiful mind paper. >> what >> was known among the employees about about why he cared about these boxes so much for you guys. >> did you...
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jack smith is now suggesting that they move the start date for that trial in the classified documents case down in mar-a-lago, a move that comes just one day after the justices slam the brakes on the case against trump and washington for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results late this evening, the special counsel's office filed this new motion that you're seeing here, asking for donald trump and two of his co-defendants to stand trial beginning july the 8th one other co-defendant, a little bit after that, the special counsel's team wants to get basically at least one case heard before election day in november. trump's legal team responded with a now familiar retort saying that a fair trial cannot be held until after the 2024 presidential election is concluded. i'm quoting them but they did offer another date this year and the judge who has been mired in some controversy in this case, judge aileen cannon is expected to hash it out in a >> hearing tomorrow in florida that could be critical to the future of the classified documents case i'm joined tonight by an attorney who u
jack smith is now suggesting that they move the start date for that trial in the classified documents case down in mar-a-lago, a move that comes just one day after the justices slam the brakes on the case against trump and washington for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results late this evening, the special counsel's office filed this new motion that you're seeing here, asking for donald trump and two of his co-defendants to stand trial beginning july the 8th one other co-defendant, a...
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jack smith wants it sooner. the defense later. it says it won't be fair unless it's much later as an after the election and john keynes election year journey all over the map, taking him to pennsylvania tonight to see how seniors view a race between the two oldest presidential candidates ever good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight, keeping them honest with immigration, the issue americans now called their top concern according to recent polling. today, president biden and former president trump made dueling visits. the texas southern border, biden to brownsville, trump to eagle pass, to cities about 300 miles apart. two candidates who each in his own way has failed to fill fix a broken and severely overburdened border security and asylum system. president biden and many believed by omission, by not making the problem enough of a priority until recently, even after a year of increasing numbers of people crossing the border and rising border encounters which set new records and don't trump by commission. he's actively
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so if that holds true, jack smith would then just be starting. let's say we get that vision and it goes against president trump's claims. now, the case goes, starts moving forward again. you have about another three months of pretrial machinations before that thing could finally get in front of a jury. so that puts him with something else to do in july and he's now trying to squeeze mar-lago in there. >> well, he is saying jack, they're saying july 8th, the trump team says they want to ask the election, but they're also saying, well, also maybe august 12, is it what is the tactical advantage to that date >> so like jack smith, they're asking for the world they wanted after the election. they know they're not going to get that. they asked for that once before earlier in this case, and that was rejected. so now they're saying if you're going to put it on before, let's have it start on august 12th. coincidentally, august is the month that the dc case could possibly if everything goes right for jack smith, could possibly get on the calendar, but not
so if that holds true, jack smith would then just be starting. let's say we get that vision and it goes against president trump's claims. now, the case goes, starts moving forward again. you have about another three months of pretrial machinations before that thing could finally get in front of a jury. so that puts him with something else to do in july and he's now trying to squeeze mar-lago in there. >> well, he is saying jack, they're saying july 8th, the trump team says they want to...
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jack smith's case didn't happen overnight. we went through an entire months of the jan. sixth hearings, grand jury testimony, and then finally indict an indictment pretty late in the game. so they knew when they when they when they brought this indictment, that they were gonna be up against it on a timeline and that there were going to be appeals in both interlocutory appeals, which are intermediate appeals that could be immediately taken up to the supreme court and then appeals after the fact after judgments rendered. so it's part of the process the justice system doesn't spin fast. this one in particular, though, given where jack smith's case was when it was filed, is probably moving along faster than most other federal cases. he in philadelphia, we have we have a number of criminal trials. would it be going on for four or five criminal cases that going on? for four or five years in the political corruption room >> all right. jim schultz. thank you very much. i want to go back to joan, who's onset with us, joan, you wanted to weigh in on something? >> i did. do you kno
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smith and puts this in july as jack smith has asked for, the florida case, there's nowhere for the dc case to go, but i think what is at the heart of this and trump's team says, well, it shouldn't be about politics, but the trump legal team has less worried about the classified documents case and not necessarily because it's less problematic, but because i think they understand the appearance former white house aides, the former attorney general, the former or the current governor of georgia. all these aids marching in to talk how trump tried to overturn the election is more damaging to his political prospects than even the classified documents. >> all of that. and in a jurisdiction in florida which is much more favorable to him with a much better jury pool in front of a much more trump friendly drag show for all of those reasons, i agree with you. that's what they want. >> jennifer rodgers, elie honig, we'll be watching closely since whale these fun deadlines to wait for. thank you. both for being here on a friday night up next at the white house tonight, president biden made this an
smith and puts this in july as jack smith has asked for, the florida case, there's nowhere for the dc case to go, but i think what is at the heart of this and trump's team says, well, it shouldn't be about politics, but the trump legal team has less worried about the classified documents case and not necessarily because it's less problematic, but because i think they understand the appearance former white house aides, the former attorney general, the former or the current governor of georgia....
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i mean, the idea that it's unconstitutional for jack smith to be supervising this case. it's completely justice department employee. we but but all of them i have to be decided before a trial date takes place, and she hasn't said a trial date and this case continues to be on a slow boat to nowhere. >> judge gertner. i mean, judge cannon only denied one to the former president's motions to dismiss charges that typical that she would decide only one will nothing about the way she's handling the case is typical. so these are motions that could have been disposed of quickly these emotions that are not raising issues that are extraordinary and they could have been disposed of it quickly. and what she's done is she's allowing lengthy hearings on motions that really could be just taken care of. and if she does that with respect to the others, then we are talking about a delay. what is interesting about what she said though? is that she's kicking all of this to the trial itself. and the trial would could well be a mess, allowing trump to raise defenses that really no one else wo
i mean, the idea that it's unconstitutional for jack smith to be supervising this case. it's completely justice department employee. we but but all of them i have to be decided before a trial date takes place, and she hasn't said a trial date and this case continues to be on a slow boat to nowhere. >> judge gertner. i mean, judge cannon only denied one to the former president's motions to dismiss charges that typical that she would decide only one will nothing about the way she's handling...
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jack smith's team wants it to begin in july. donald trump's team has counted for august, but neither case, it could begin as early as this summer and we could get that date etched at least a little bit in stone shortly. in the meantime, today, a georgia community will gather to say goodbye to a 22 year-old nursing student, laken riley. riley was killed last week while jogging near a lake on the university of georgia campus. the man suspected in her death has been charged with murder in his currently behind bars. he entered the us illegally which has sparked a national debate about border curie. just in elon musk sued open ai and its ceo for breach of contract must says that openai, which runs cheche tbt, diverge from his mission to develop artificial intelligence for the benefit of humanity by cutting a $10 billion deal with microsoft and keeping new coding secret musk cofounded openai in 2015, but left in 2018 is set up his own ai company, openai has not responded to cnn's request for comment. >> so it is lights out for the lun
jack smith's team wants it to begin in july. donald trump's team has counted for august, but neither case, it could begin as early as this summer and we could get that date etched at least a little bit in stone shortly. in the meantime, today, a georgia community will gather to say goodbye to a 22 year-old nursing student, laken riley. riley was killed last week while jogging near a lake on the university of georgia campus. the man suspected in her death has been charged with murder in his...
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even some of the members because of jack smith's team and jack smith was in the courtroom today, they react to when people stand up and make different points before the judge. >> now the thing about judge cannon know is she's very hard to read and she doesn't often tip her hand. this is the one of the first hearings where we have seen her really side or at least indicates did she was going to side one way or another and she did follow that with an order, at least on one of these motions shortly after the hearing. >> and is it clear when she's going to decide the trump team's other arguments for dismissal no judges can take however much time they need to make a decision. >> but >> the every time that there is a delay in judge cannon issuing an order on one of these motions. trump is making. that's the longer it goes before everyone can set the table for the trial and to see how that will shape up. and anderson we should add this is two motions where trump is asking to dismiss the case by my count, there are seven more of these that could be argued from both he and his two co-defendants
even some of the members because of jack smith's team and jack smith was in the courtroom today, they react to when people stand up and make different points before the judge. >> now the thing about judge cannon know is she's very hard to read and she doesn't often tip her hand. this is the one of the first hearings where we have seen her really side or at least indicates did she was going to side one way or another and she did follow that with an order, at least on one of these motions...
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i if i were jack smith. jack smith from that perspective, i think i would be happy with that performance. >> all right. a whole lot going on today. thank you both so much for being sara. >> all right >> new economic data out right now, inflation rates not going in the direction economists had hoped in february, they rose slightly just under half a percentage point to an annual rate of 3.2% in the midst of an election year stamping out inflation. a bit of a rough go. cnn's vanessa okay, but just joining us now, what do these numbers tell us? this is not the direction that people wanted to see inflation going. >> we want to be moving in the opposite direction, but a slight increase year over year ticking up to 3.2% month over month, up 0.4%. that's largely where economists thought we would be because we've been seeing increasing gas it's prices that's actually the largest monthly gain we've seen since september. but when we look at inflation, we need to sort of step back and realize that although these numbers
i if i were jack smith. jack smith from that perspective, i think i would be happy with that performance. >> all right. a whole lot going on today. thank you both so much for being sara. >> all right >> new economic data out right now, inflation rates not going in the direction economists had hoped in february, they rose slightly just under half a percentage point to an annual rate of 3.2% in the midst of an election year stamping out inflation. a bit of a rough go. cnn's...
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so we've got donald trump, jack smith, judge, aileen cannon altogether what was it like in there >> all in the room? judge, aileen cannon had a lot of media things to walk through. she didn't ask that many questions for a hearing that had so many details that they needed to deal with and even trumping in the room in the same place as jack smith. >> it was >> a little bit more a relaxed than in past hearings where i've sat in the courtroom and watched each of these people look at each other or glance at each other, trump appeared to be a lot more relaxing facts than in past hearings. he didn't whisper much with his attorneys as he's done previously. he instead sat there, he listened pretty passively for most of the hearing is the arguments were being made but dana at a couple of points, there were heated arguments being made, especially whenever donald trump's defense lawyer, todd blanche put out on the table what is really the thing that nobody had had wanted to talk about in this case up to that point this morning, and that was this idea. of the election. should this case go to trial b
so we've got donald trump, jack smith, judge, aileen cannon altogether what was it like in there >> all in the room? judge, aileen cannon had a lot of media things to walk through. she didn't ask that many questions for a hearing that had so many details that they needed to deal with and even trumping in the room in the same place as jack smith. >> it was >> a little bit more a relaxed than in past hearings where i've sat in the courtroom and watched each of these people look...
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isabel for jack smith to try his other case, the dc case, the january 6 case. and if i'm donald trump's team, that is a win for me. >> yeah, good point. gloria. this is already been a very, very unique election as we all know, what would a leading presidential candidate in this particular against trump potentially being criminally charged? and tried during this election period. what would that look like >> well, it's hard to kind of gain that out. i think it would look a lot like it looks now, which is donald trump, at every opportunity talking about how this is election interference. it's a witch-hunt. he's not guilty of any wrongdoing and trying and to use it to rally the base. i think the question here is, how would joe biden play it? and what would what would he say about these pending felony charges and what would the democrats do and what would independent voters do? you know, our polls show that voters wants some resolution to one of these trials before the election. they want to know guilty, not guilty. and if that doesn't happen, and he is on trial, it
isabel for jack smith to try his other case, the dc case, the january 6 case. and if i'm donald trump's team, that is a win for me. >> yeah, good point. gloria. this is already been a very, very unique election as we all know, what would a leading presidential candidate in this particular against trump potentially being criminally charged? and tried during this election period. what would that look like >> well, it's hard to kind of gain that out. i think it would look a lot like it...
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you're exactly right because he told us when jack smith goes after president trump, joe biden says, how could this happen? what data was in those documents that could compromise sources and methods? it's irresponsible so joe biden knew the role rules, you know, he knew the rules and joe biden told us he knew the rules. so mr. her, why did he break them? >> the conclusion as to exactly why the president did what he did is not one that we explicitly address in the report the report explains my decision to the attorney general that no criminal charges were warranted in this matter. >> i think you did tell us. i think he told us mr. page to 31. you said this president biden had strong motivations. that's a key word. we're getting a motive now, president biden had strong motivations to ignore the proper procedures for safeguarding the classified information in his notebooks. why did he have strong motivations? because you next word, because he decided months before leaving office to write a book, to write a book that was his motive. he knew the rules are broken because he was writing a book.
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lago jack smith's team clearly disagrees. they countered with this, even if the raft of highly classified documents that trump took from the white house to mar-a-lago. we're somehow categorized as personal under the presidential records act that would not render his retention of those documents authorized what do you think of this? >> so what the former president is trying to do is say that force of our claiming power, no one that he doesn't have, the presidential records act is concerned with keeping our proper record of his official acts while in office. so it's not a case where the business he's conducting dozen is not maintained or historical purpose this is that permits him to designate certain items is personal, meaning. this wasn't me doing something as president, it was me as an individual. that's completely and wholly separate from classified documents, which by any stretch of imagination are going to be presidential in nature. that's all about doing the job of the presidency. the idea that a document regarding nucle
lago jack smith's team clearly disagrees. they countered with this, even if the raft of highly classified documents that trump took from the white house to mar-a-lago. we're somehow categorized as personal under the presidential records act that would not render his retention of those documents authorized what do you think of this? >> so what the former president is trying to do is say that force of our claiming power, no one that he doesn't have, the presidential records act is concerned...
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that is the jack smith wasn't constitutionally appointed. these are complicated issues. they need that last one seems it seems maybe potentially farfetched, but also at one point, jay bratt, who is the prosecutor for the special counsel, >> he was actually at mar-a-lago, the de that it was rated, he said that a justice department policy that discourages public investigative actions 60 days before an election doesn't apply here because that implies two indictments or for, or starting an investigation. but given donald trump was charged so long ago in this case, that that's not relevant to you agree with that >> he's technically right. i don't think that it's right that it's not relevant. i think the same policy problems that arise with having the investigation within 60 days or the election or even amplified by having a trial. so i think he's technically right about the policy, but i think the policy ought to be applied to a trial. >> and david, you're from the south. let me ask you on what we were watching today happening in georgia. do you think the defense attorneys ha
that is the jack smith wasn't constitutionally appointed. these are complicated issues. they need that last one seems it seems maybe potentially farfetched, but also at one point, jay bratt, who is the prosecutor for the special counsel, >> he was actually at mar-a-lago, the de that it was rated, he said that a justice department policy that discourages public investigative actions 60 days before an election doesn't apply here because that implies two indictments or for, or starting an...
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now, according to our katelyn polantz, who was in the courtroom, trump barry looked at jack smith and the proceeding not more than once or twice the entire time front now, ty cobb, the former trump white house lawyer so ty of course, the judge in this case is aileen cannon, nominated to the bench by trump. she has thus far issued decisions in this case that have been friendly to him, but, you know, we don't know what she will do at this point. you follow the hearing very closely today. what did you make of her comments today? did you get any insight on our thinking? >> so i think what we heard from her today sort of at the end of the end of the hearing >> i'm told. and based on the reporting, was that she had a comment. there's so much to do. that's not the last time we'll hear that. she'll do it again when she delays the trial. repeatedly to get beyond the election. >> i think it's the richest thing that happened today was when she said you know pointed to all the motions that were pending as a reason for why it was going to be difficult to be paired well, jack smith and his team pro
now, according to our katelyn polantz, who was in the courtroom, trump barry looked at jack smith and the proceeding not more than once or twice the entire time front now, ty cobb, the former trump white house lawyer so ty of course, the judge in this case is aileen cannon, nominated to the bench by trump. she has thus far issued decisions in this case that have been friendly to him, but, you know, we don't know what she will do at this point. you follow the hearing very closely today. what did...
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special counsel jack smith proposed a july 8 start date, but during the proceedings, cannon suggested that aspects of smith's proposal were unrealistic. trump's lawyers insist the trial should be pushed back. a trial trial that takes place before the election is a mistake and should not happen. trump attorney todd blanche stated saying it would be unfair to the former president and the american people for trump to be in the courtroom and not on the campaign trail. that's something that former president has claimed as well. >> all of this persecution is only happening because i am running for president and leading very substantially in the polls. >> trump's attorneys, dick concede if the trial has to go forward before the election, they would be okay with starting august 12th, cannon noted that trump's upcoming criminal case in new york must be considered as she schedules this one on march 25th, trump's hush money trial begins in new york and is expected to last four to six weeks. and already busy court schedule for the former president trump today, prosecutors answered a question that
special counsel jack smith proposed a july 8 start date, but during the proceedings, cannon suggested that aspects of smith's proposal were unrealistic. trump's lawyers insist the trial should be pushed back. a trial trial that takes place before the election is a mistake and should not happen. trump attorney todd blanche stated saying it would be unfair to the former president and the american people for trump to be in the courtroom and not on the campaign trail. that's something that former...
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. >> special counsel, >> da jack smith or herschel counsel? jack smith wants a july 8 start date. and then there's a supreme court set to hear oral arguments the week of april 22, on trump's claim that he has unity in jack smith's election subversion case. and the clock is ticking for trump to come up with now 454 million bucks in his new york civil fraud case. and that also adds interest on a daily basis and super tuesday, remember that? well, that is four days away let's bring in two prominent defense attorneys who know what it's like to have the weight of the government against them. former trump attorney tim parlatore is here and criminal defense attorney brandi hardened, so glad to have both of you guys here. first of all, you all know how difficult it can be obviously to go against the government, right? it's the united states it's verses, there's a lot of resources at play, et cetera the strategy has to be either attack the timing of the trial. obviously, the defense is going to be key, but what is going to be the main strategy? i mean, trump is one defendant, but really hi
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i'm wondering how special counsel jack smith, because while the interview, i bet you are to, but don't hold your breath because here's a spoiler alert. their office spokesman has also declined to comment but you know what, here's my question. i will be the first to admit to you tonight that i am always skeptical. there's not a therapist couch here to unpack just why i'm always got to live with the question is tonight why now? why is brian butler speaking out now while he says it's all about the election do you believe that this trial should happen before the election? >> i mean, i think the american people have the right to know the facts that this is not a witch hunt you think it's a fair investigation? >> absolutely. i mean to me, you have the law and order president attacking agents, the special counsel on an almost a daily basis. when these people are just taking their sworn sworn oath >> not a witch-hunt, right to know, and a fair investigation. did they let saving time propel us onto a time warp tonight was wondering me now, tim parlatore, he's a former at donald trump attorney w
i'm wondering how special counsel jack smith, because while the interview, i bet you are to, but don't hold your breath because here's a spoiler alert. their office spokesman has also declined to comment but you know what, here's my question. i will be the first to admit to you tonight that i am always skeptical. there's not a therapist couch here to unpack just why i'm always got to live with the question is tonight why now? why is brian butler speaking out now while he says it's all about the...
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and now he finds himself at the center of jack smith's indictment of the former president in the classified documents case. and is privy to key parts of that testimony that we read through in those indictments, he provided a lot of that testimony to the special counsel's team about key moments that now will likely potentially go on trial as soon as this summer in this case, one of those jake that you're about to listen to, it moment that we spoke about where main butler told us about how he was on this day in june 2022, not knowing what exactly he was doing, but he was asked to help load boxes. banker boxes, on to trump's plane at an airport in palm beach, florida as the former president was set to go to new jersey now what he did not realize that the time that was happening, then was trump's team, his legal team was meeting with members of the fbi at mar-a-lago after they had just performed a search of that storage room looking for classified documents, which we now know based on the indictment. of course, that evan corcoran trump's attorney, who was looking through those documents walt na
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do you think jack smith is going to be able to present some kind of a case. i have some kind of a trial and one of these two cases before november well, i look i i'm i'm a pessimist by nature and i would like these cases to go to trial before the election but i don't see how that happens. i i agree with norm that there is an avenue for something to potentially happen but first of all, let's go to the classified documents, case. classified documents cases are very difficult procedurally because they involve classified documents and review and specialized procedures you have a defendant who is in four different cases and has conflict schedules. you've got he just fine i'll motions to dismiss, which if they're denied, he will appeal. and that's going to take additional time. so there is there are many avenues and the classified documents case for this to be delayed and i don't want to speak about judge cannon's motivations or her prejudice i think she is a fine judge. >> however, >> she was appointed by this president. and i think she has shown some inclination
do you think jack smith is going to be able to present some kind of a case. i have some kind of a trial and one of these two cases before november well, i look i i'm i'm a pessimist by nature and i would like these cases to go to trial before the election but i don't see how that happens. i i agree with norm that there is an avenue for something to potentially happen but first of all, let's go to the classified documents, case. classified documents cases are very difficult procedurally because...
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there is no legal support for that, but she has put jack smith and a position of trying to draft jury instructions and advance that would posit that question to the jury. i think that it is such a fundamental air and it is it is so to reflective of bias that it does provide a basis you know, not, not a dispositive basis, but it does provide a basis for seeking her recusal. i know that former massachusetts district court judge, nancy gertner, who is very highly regarded by her colleagues and lawyers you had the same reaction that i had and i saw some reporting today where she was suggesting that they seek to recuse her on this basis as well, pointing out that she's just ignoring a raft of equally absurd motions as well persistently delaying this case. >> a month ago, she >> she ordered the identities of witnesses to be disclosed and jack smith pointed out to her that i was just not allowable you know, she's she has decided to dismiss the vagueness challenge to the statute. but to the to the espionage act statute. but has suggested that it might be something that would be addressed in j
there is no legal support for that, but she has put jack smith and a position of trying to draft jury instructions and advance that would posit that question to the jury. i think that it is such a fundamental air and it is it is so to reflective of bias that it does provide a basis you know, not, not a dispositive basis, but it does provide a basis for seeking her recusal. i know that former massachusetts district court judge, nancy gertner, who is very highly regarded by her colleagues and...
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tell me what stands out to you about it and why you think jack smith could actually have a removed from the case because of this order? >> yeah. this is a remarkable ms understanding of the applicable law it's embarrassing >> she's been struggling so dramatically in this case ever since the start when she was she butchered the special master decision and the 11th circuit i took her to task for it. this is this is a total totally baffling position first, she appears to believe that the presidential records act is actually consequential in the case which it is not. there is. this is an espionage act case. this is not a presidential records violation this is the theory that trump has the ability to designate classified >> material as personal records is absurd on its fixed, there's no legal support for that, but she has put jack smith and a position of trying to draft jury instructions and advance that would posit that question to the jury i think that it is such a fundamental air and it is it is so to reflective of bias that it does provide a basis you know, not, not a dispositive basis,
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have you ever heard of deranged jack smith during jack smith, did the range one, i call does they look the range and you take a look at that face. you say that guy is a sick man. there's something wrong with them i mean, a woman outside a bergdorf goodman i took her upstairs to a changing booth. >> it was all made up. i don't even know who this woman is. what else can you expect from a trump haiti clinton appointed judge. i have a trump-hating judge. there's rogue judge trump pater. we have a rope, judge >> this judge is a lunatic and if you've ever watched him and the attorney general may be worse, maybe worse. you have a watcher. i will get donald trump, letitia james, the corrupt attorney general of new york he's a corrupt person. she's got serious trump derangement syndrome every single day and suing him. i'm going to sue him >> by the way, under this limited gag order, he can still rail against, as i said, alvin bragg, the district attorney, even the judge on the case as he has before, just not witnesses or jurors or prosecutors. the job i'd send an april 15 trial date. as you may
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jack smith's team says july, we should be ready to go just after july 4. and the defense teams, they're saying dates of august and september, they have to propose something because they already tried once with this judge to say, we don't want to have a trial at all before the election. and she said, no, that's not how it's going to go. we are going to put some dates on the calendar. so they proposed some dates but the way they did this very cooley is they have put into their filing very helpfully for the judge. all of the dates of primary elections for donald trump and other candidates potentially between now and for the rest of the season. and so the judge is going to be looking king at both her calendar, the calendars of the justice department and the defense teams, as well as now, she has before her, the political calendar there nudging in a way to get her to take into consideration all that he has to do as the likely nominee of the republican party okay. >> we can i ask >> you, speaking of the likely nominee, the republican national convention, where t
jack smith's team says july, we should be ready to go just after july 4. and the defense teams, they're saying dates of august and september, they have to propose something because they already tried once with this judge to say, we don't want to have a trial at all before the election. and she said, no, that's not how it's going to go. we are going to put some dates on the calendar. so they proposed some dates but the way they did this very cooley is they have put into their filing very...
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smith's indictment >> they were the boxes that were in the indictment. the white bankers boxes. that's what i remember loading and did you have any time any idea at the time that there was potentially us national security secrets in those boxes? >> no clue no. i had no clue. i mean, we were just taking them out of the escalate, piling them up. i remember they were all stacked on top of each other and then we're lifting them up to the pilots now, butler says he debated going public for months and only recently decided to speak out because he believes that voters should hear the truth about his former boss and the >> case before the november election and butler's role in all of this didn't end there. he was also involved in conversations about allegedly trying to destroy evidence of a crime at mar-a-lago according to jack smith's indictment, mar-a-lago property manager, carlos de oliviera also told trump employee number five, which of course we now know is brian butler that not want to do all of era to talk to trump employee number four, to see how long ca
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he's an unindicted coconspirator in jack smith's indictment of donald trump. i'm told that the feds, the federal investigators i have not reached back out to chesebro since he informed them who's gonna take a plea deal in georgia, he's interviewed with again by about five different state prosecutors in his time since taking a plea deal. so ramp to see, but lying to state prosecutors or not being fully truthful with state prosecutors can be a problem. >> learning
he's an unindicted coconspirator in jack smith's indictment of donald trump. i'm told that the feds, the federal investigators i have not reached back out to chesebro since he informed them who's gonna take a plea deal in georgia, he's interviewed with again by about five different state prosecutors in his time since taking a plea deal. so ramp to see, but lying to state prosecutors or not being fully truthful with state prosecutors can be a problem. >> learning
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but maybe one thing to note about jack smith because i've known him for years. one thing that does separate him from the other prosecutors is not just that he has a lot of experience because said has helped them bragg. i'm such as fani willis, but he has international experience. he was at the international criminal court one of the things that we do write about it in this book is that we think of this as something that's so unique in america and it is, we've never been in a situation where the former president being charged and being trying to be held to account. but as we pointed out, this is not unique in the country here, but it's in the world it happens all the time france, argentina italy, have, they, have figured out how to hold corrupt leaders to account. so we're really, in many ways a backwater where we really have a lot to learn from how other countries do it. and i think that's where jack smith i think comes at it with that global perspective and thinking about that, if we do do not do this successfully, we actually turn ourselves into a banana repub
but maybe one thing to note about jack smith because i've known him for years. one thing that does separate him from the other prosecutors is not just that he has a lot of experience because said has helped them bragg. i'm such as fani willis, but he has international experience. he was at the international criminal court one of the things that we do write about it in this book is that we think of this as something that's so unique in america and it is, we've never been in a situation where the...
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but on this jury thing, we heard today that jack smith wants to have a questionnaire for those potential jurors in florida, whether or not they believe the election was stolen, that he wants to be able to because obviously as they're they're navigate getting that i mean, he clearly thinks that it could be a jury that's influenced to donald trump. >> well, and we know if we look at just at the national stats, a significant portion of the gop as much as 67% believe that the election was stolen so broaden that out more widely, it makes sense. i mean, you want a jury pool that's operating on a baseline level of facts. and of course, i think you would be prejudiced if you're you're on a jury pool and you're rolling on this. if you think that in fact the election was stolen, it makes sense donald trump is most fearful for january 6 because he thinks it can move the quickest. he thinks there is that small possibility. there could be a conviction before election day, and that is the one that i think resonates with voters the most that it could actually sway republicans from voting, from la as we
but on this jury thing, we heard today that jack smith wants to have a questionnaire for those potential jurors in florida, whether or not they believe the election was stolen, that he wants to be able to because obviously as they're they're navigate getting that i mean, he clearly thinks that it could be a jury that's influenced to donald trump. >> well, and we know if we look at just at the national stats, a significant portion of the gop as much as 67% believe that the election was...
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now only had the doj handed the cases is counsel jack smith, but da alvin bragg the nyag's tissue james, are not under the umbrella org chart at all of when donald president biden nor would they be it donald trump were the president in states. >> but >> ultimately the prosecution always has a duty and obligation to handover documents because if the onetime really they have to say here are all the reasons you might ask actually be innocent of a crime. we have a burden of proof to prove our case beyond a reasonable doubt but it's our duty and obligation knowing the weight that comes with united states versus or new york versus against an individual defendant or litigant, you have to hand over document it was delayed. they have a right to review them, but the judge said, hold on a second. this is not a 90 day or a six month thing, especially it wasn't an intentional act of withholding, you have enough time as the average person and a team of litigators would go over different things and that's how much time they have. now, it could be. there are really good nuggets in those documents for t
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let's, let's be clear about that than anything other than a clear victory for jack smith and the department of justice is a victory for donald trump. e even if they say there's no absolute immunity is trump is asking for clarity. >> you want clarity >> i just want to follow the news out to elie honig. >> kara. thank for your time today. some of the former president's griping that you heard at the top of the program about what he calls rogue judges. may have been about his two new york cases, the civil fraud case he lost, and the upcoming criminal trial later this month, there were new developments connected to both today through the trump organizations, former top finance guy allen weisselberg. and his former attorney, michael cohen. cnn's kara scannell has been following all those developments and joins us now kara, what do we learn today? >> yes. so weisberg, longtime confidant of donald trump, pleaded guilty to two felony counts of perjury. this all relates to testimony he gave during the new york attorney general's civil fraud investigation into the trump organization. and when he testi
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>> smith is sad and we know we know that, you know we know jack smith and what he's done in the past. so i do got to get the votes. i apologize >> and you also are hearing from democrats who are extremely frustrated about the focus about biden's age and his ability to remember things. multiple democrats pressing her on why he had to include that information, the top democrat on the judiciary committee, jerry nadler, telling me that it was superficialis and that he feels like her is acting as a republican operator here. so it's really this unique moment on capitol hill, hill where you have a witness who's frustrating both republicans and democrats. jake no one completely satisfied, but as you noted, both sides clearly went in today with a very clear idea of how they wanted to tackle this moment. >> january, lauren fox, thanks so much. we're going to have much more of our special coverage ahead. we're going to squeeze in a quick break, stay with us the lead with jake tapper today at four on cnn >> it's time to feed the dogs real food, not highly processed paella. the farmers dog is fre
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now, special counsel jack smith wants it to start on july 8, while trump's attorneys proposed august 12, but trump's counsel also argued that the trial should wait until after the election in november. cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider has more now on the day's proceedings in the georgia election interference case these people your honor, is a systematic misconduct and they need to go >> sparks continued to fly today as lawyers for donald trump and others charged in the case, are you that da fani willis hired nathan wade, a special prosecutor when they were romantically involved, and then she benefited financially from the trips they took and the dinners they shared. >> she put her boyfriend in the spot, paid him, and then reap the benefits from it that she created the system and then didn't tell anybody about it. >> willis testified last month insisting the relationship began after wade was appointed to lead the trump case. and argued she paid him back for any expenses in cash when i started dating mr. wade, april 2020 2022 years around the i don't know, growing up, my dad
now, special counsel jack smith wants it to start on july 8, while trump's attorneys proposed august 12, but trump's counsel also argued that the trial should wait until after the election in november. cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider has more now on the day's proceedings in the georgia election interference case these people your honor, is a systematic misconduct and they need to go >> sparks continued to fly today as lawyers for donald trump and others charged in the case,...
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special counsel, jack smith proposed a july 8 start date, but during the proceedings, cannon suggested that aspects of smith's proposal were unrealistic trump's, lawyers insist the trial should be pushed back. a trial that takes place before the election is a mistake and should not happen. trump attorney todd blanche stated, saying it would be unfair to the former president and the american people for trump to be in the courtroom and not on the campaign trail. that's something that former president has claimed and as well, all of this persecution is only happening because i am running for president and leading very substantially in the polls. >> trump's attorney attorneys did concede if the trial has to go forward before the election, they would be okay with starting august 12th, but prosecutors pushed back saying, if team trump believes the trial before the election is unfair, those are fake dates. why did they even propose those dates? kenneth noted that trump's upcoming criminal case in new york must be considered as she schedules this one on march 25th, trump's hush money trial beg
special counsel, jack smith proposed a july 8 start date, but during the proceedings, cannon suggested that aspects of smith's proposal were unrealistic trump's, lawyers insist the trial should be pushed back. a trial that takes place before the election is a mistake and should not happen. trump attorney todd blanche stated, saying it would be unfair to the former president and the american people for trump to be in the courtroom and not on the campaign trail. that's something that former...
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. >> is it clear when special counsel jack smith may respond to this? >> yeah. the supreme court has already set those deadlines. april 8 is when the government is due to respond. of course, there's gonna be another set of filings after that. and then the oral arguments are set for for april 25th and we're anticipating that jack smith and his team are going to go back to the thing that you just opened with, which is that no president, no one under our system is supposed to be above the law, which is what president trump and his for president trump and his legal team are doing here. >> evan perez, appreciate it. thank you joining us as former republican congressman adam kinzinger, who served on the house january 6 committee, also seen and legal analysts jennifer rodgers and maggie haberman, senior political correspondent for the new york times maggie, let's sort out with you. i mean for some, what do you make of this latest filing? not a surprise. >> now, it's a continuation of an argument that they've used several times, perhaps more emphatically right now, i th
. >> is it clear when special counsel jack smith may respond to this? >> yeah. the supreme court has already set those deadlines. april 8 is when the government is due to respond. of course, there's gonna be another set of filings after that. and then the oral arguments are set for for april 25th and we're anticipating that jack smith and his team are going to go back to the thing that you just opened with, which is that no president, no one under our system is supposed to be above...
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how jack smith? dismissed, and then also have these cases dismissed. they're also asking here, notably for the judge to label this as, quote, frivolous, that is significant because if judge cannon does that, which would be surprising, it would block his ability to continue this litigation very interesting. >> the thrust >> of trump's legal team is delayed, delay, delay as much as possible. paula reid. thank you very much for that. we have more on the state of the union address coming up soon, but coming up next, there's more breaking news parents are outraged at a shocking new report on the robb elementary school shooting we'll have a live report from shimon prokupecz. he's standing by in uvalde, texas. >> that's next >> bye-bye cough chest congestion. hello, 12 hours of relief bowers mucinex, dm gives you 12 hours of relief from chest congestion in any coffee or not mucinex de its combat season. now, trying to use the next instance suits medicaid drops high. >> we've both got a big birthday coming up, so we have a lot of brushes about medicare plans.
how jack smith? dismissed, and then also have these cases dismissed. they're also asking here, notably for the judge to label this as, quote, frivolous, that is significant because if judge cannon does that, which would be surprising, it would block his ability to continue this litigation very interesting. >> the thrust >> of trump's legal team is delayed, delay, delay as much as possible. paula reid. thank you very much for that. we have more on the state of the union address...
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and you can almost read the frustration from jack smith and his legal team in their filings. dani, you know, you've been for a lot of judges. what do you do when you're before a judge that really seems to be giving let's say it euphemistically, a lot of deference to donald trump and his arguments >> well, we might see after today, i agree with you. the general tone of a government prosecutor is very straight down the middle. we have started to see, i don't want to say cracks, but the tone i agree has shifted a little in the most recent papers with respect to the selective prosecution arguments the special counsel's office has come out swinging a little bit. they said, well, we've never had an argument like this because we've never seen a case like this. there has simply never been other president who has acted in any way like this remotely. and so it may be that if the judge starts to push the date and we may see that as soon as today, they it is possible that they may seek review of that. it is even possible. i mean, this is pure wild speculation that they may seek to have a
and you can almost read the frustration from jack smith and his legal team in their filings. dani, you know, you've been for a lot of judges. what do you do when you're before a judge that really seems to be giving let's say it euphemistically, a lot of deference to donald trump and his arguments >> well, we might see after today, i agree with you. the general tone of a government prosecutor is very straight down the middle. we have started to see, i don't want to say cracks, but the tone...
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so do jack smith case. >> my money is on judge chutkan. i think that even though the supreme court's hearing, this presidential immunity case last possible moment in the last week of hearings she's going to be ready to go and i believe that this is going to be a trial that will happen after new york. and she's she's definitely focusing. her approach is fundamentally different than that of judge cannon. >> all right. >> well, we've got three race horses. get you. mint julep, reading, norm sas, that was the kentucky derby reference. you guys just kidding me right now. okay. i'm funny. anyway, moving right on. thank you so much. nor been said >> tonight. we learned just earlier this evening that there was a verdict the michigan school shooter's father found guilty of involuntary manslaughter a month after the shooter's mother was also convicted. up next, i'm going to talk to another mother, one whose son survived the shooting no parent should go through the hell we're going through. >> children are dying on a daily basis >> in mass murder and
so do jack smith case. >> my money is on judge chutkan. i think that even though the supreme court's hearing, this presidential immunity case last possible moment in the last week of hearings she's going to be ready to go and i believe that this is going to be a trial that will happen after new york. and she's she's definitely focusing. her approach is fundamentally different than that of judge cannon. >> all right. >> well, we've got three race horses. get you. mint julep,...
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and they have already helped save over 2 million pets tonight on 361 of jack smith central witnesses in trump's classified documents case going public for the first time, talking exclusively with cnn's kaitlan collins >> about what he says was his role in moving documents. the federal government was trying to find. also tonight, meet the journalists to uncover how senator katie britt, missy misleading haley, turned one woman's 20-year-old sex trafficking horror story into the centerpiece of her indictment of president biden's border policies today. and later, what is wrong with this picture, princess kate and her kids. she now says she edited herself. that story is only raising more questions as the royal palace had hoped to quell that evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight with breaking news that's a cnn exclusive. what the man known as trump employee five in the federal classified documents indictment, things have the case against his former boss, his name is brian butler, and he's been talking to investigators and now he's talking to the sources kaitlan collins, who join
and they have already helped save over 2 million pets tonight on 361 of jack smith central witnesses in trump's classified documents case going public for the first time, talking exclusively with cnn's kaitlan collins >> about what he says was his role in moving documents. the federal government was trying to find. also tonight, meet the journalists to uncover how senator katie britt, missy misleading haley, turned one woman's 20-year-old sex trafficking horror story into the centerpiece...